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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 22, 2020 6:07:21 GMT -6
On Monday night, our school board decided that they would not honor contracts to pay spring sports coaches. I am not a coach of a spring sport, but just out of curiosity I'm wondering if this was common or not. I'm not necessarily wanting a debate on if they should have been paid or not, just gathering data on how many of you coach spring sports and whether you got paid or not. Thanks in advance!!
BTW, I'm assuming with the pandemic everyone had spring sports cancelled. I guess if that isn't the case you can correct me in this thread!
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Post by mrjvi on Apr 22, 2020 6:45:20 GMT -6
Our school is deciding it now. We had technically 1 week before it was stopped. Should we get 1 week? Maybe 2 because of the prep for the season before it actually started.  ? |
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Post by 53 on Apr 22, 2020 6:48:24 GMT -6
My district is paying them in full, since they were already budgeted.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 22, 2020 6:49:11 GMT -6
Our school is deciding it now. We had technically 1 week before it was stopped. Should we get 1 week? Maybe 2 because of the prep for the season before it actually started. ? That's about the same as Iowa. Due to indoor track meets, our track team had actually been practicing almost a month and had either 2 or 3 meets. The rest of spring sports--soccer, tennis, and golf--had practiced one week before the shutdown. |
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 22, 2020 8:43:00 GMT -6
I'm in Rhode Island and my school is not paying us.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 22, 2020 12:52:24 GMT -6
Thanks for the feedback so far, guys, and I guess my thread title is a little exclusive. If you don't coach a spring sport, but you know your school's decision on this, please vote as well.
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Post by mc140 on Apr 22, 2020 13:51:28 GMT -6
We are all getting them at my school in Illinois. We were half way done with track. Tennis is getting them and they had two days of practice before the shut down. Baseball had two weeks and Vball had one week.
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Post by dijackson08 on Apr 22, 2020 21:29:07 GMT -6
We got paid
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Post by Defcord on Apr 23, 2020 7:45:28 GMT -6
We are getting ours.
I help with JV baseball and we only had one game left so was almost done anyway.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 23, 2020 8:06:37 GMT -6
For those who are getting paid, what is the payment process. In my district, coaching stipends are included as part of the regular twice monthly paychecks and the football stipend was spread over 24 checks. Although thinking about it, I was football only in the district, so maybe it is different with other sports with regards to when it starts since someone may be hired late as a coach for other sports.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 23, 2020 8:31:04 GMT -6
For those who are getting paid, what is the payment process. In my district, coaching stipends are included as part of the regular twice monthly paychecks and the football stipend was spread over 24 checks. Although thinking about it, I was football only in the district, so maybe it is different with other sports with regards to when it starts since someone may be hired late as a coach for other sports. We used to be that way. The coaching stipend was spread through all of our checks--12 as we get paid monthly. That changed two years ago when we had two softball assistants and a soccer assistant resign right before their seasons started. Soccer is a spring sport in Iowa. They then owed the school money because they had already been paid throughout the school year for being a spring coach. For some reason, none of these three individuals seemed to understand that and even tried to file grievances before they were told they didn't really have a case as they were being paid for a job they ended up not doing. So, now it's sort of divided up by the season. Fall sports stipends were divided up between the September, October, and November checks, winter stipends between December, January, February, and March, and then spring April, May, and June. When I started coaching basketball three years ago I was actually hired during the first week of official practice. We were still in that old system of dividing them year round, so they simply divided my stipend up equally starting in December of that year. |
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Post by CS on Apr 23, 2020 8:31:43 GMT -6
For those who are getting paid, what is the payment process. In my district, coaching stipends are included as part of the regular twice monthly paychecks and the football stipend was spread over 24 checks. Although thinking about it, I was football only in the district, so maybe it is different with other sports with regards to when it starts since someone may be hired late as a coach for other sports. Our stipends are included in our yearly salary |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 23, 2020 8:40:33 GMT -6
For those who are getting paid, what is the payment process. In my district, coaching stipends are included as part of the regular twice monthly paychecks and the football stipend was spread over 24 checks. Although thinking about it, I was football only in the district, so maybe it is different with other sports with regards to when it starts since someone may be hired late as a coach for other sports. Our stipends are included in our yearly salary So what is the process if a coach doesn't coach like wolverine55 stated? I honestly don't know what would happen in my district. I am guessing if the person decided not to coach but was still an employee that "pay back" of previous paid stipends would be withheld from the paychecks. If the person just up and left, I guess whatever portion was recoverable would be withheld from final check. Not sure what happens if you become a track coach in January though. I assume they just do the math and that person gets more each check for the remaining checks than someone who was already listed as a track coach (and receiving their stipend payments since August) |
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Post by adawg2302 on Apr 23, 2020 9:15:11 GMT -6
Spring sports had just started (Baseball played 2 games, Track and Field had one meet). District decided to pay coaches 1/2 stipends. All stipends are paid in one lump sum check the month after your season ends (for example, football is paid in December).
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Post by CS on Apr 23, 2020 12:39:16 GMT -6
Our stipends are included in our yearly salary So what is the process if a coach doesn't coach like wolverine55 stated? I honestly don't know what would happen in my district. I am guessing if the person decided not to coach but was still an employee that "pay back" of previous paid stipends would be withheld from the paychecks. If the person just up and left, I guess whatever portion was recoverable would be withheld from final check. Not sure what happens if you become a track coach in January though. I assume they just do the math and that person gets more each check for the remaining checks than someone who was already listed as a track coach (and receiving their stipend payments since August) Couldn’t tell you. I would assume that they wouldn’t have to pay anything back because it’s actually added into our salaries on our contracts. This is state wide not just my district. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 23, 2020 13:27:29 GMT -6
So what is the process if a coach doesn't coach like wolverine55 stated? I honestly don't know what would happen in my district. I am guessing if the person decided not to coach but was still an employee that "pay back" of previous paid stipends would be withheld from the paychecks. If the person just up and left, I guess whatever portion was recoverable would be withheld from final check. Not sure what happens if you become a track coach in January though. I assume they just do the math and that person gets more each check for the remaining checks than someone who was already listed as a track coach (and receiving their stipend payments since August) Couldn’t tell you. I would assume that they wouldn’t have to pay anything back because it’s actually added into our salaries on our contracts. This is state wide not just my district. Why would you assume they wouldn't have to pay something back if they "breached" contract by not coaching? What do you mean by "added into our salaries in contracts"? That intertwining is interesting to say the least. Here you recieve a percentage of salary as a coaching stipend, which (at least for football) is distributed equally through all 24 paychecks. So for example if on the salary scale you made $40,000 based on years and degree and you got 7% for being an asst football coach each of your 24 paychecks will have an additional 116 or so (pre tax) categorized as a coaching stipend. Come February, you are still getting that 116 even though football "season" is long over. I am assuming that if you are just a softball coach, you are getting your stipend 1/24 of your stipend on each check too, even if your season hasn't started yet. I would be surprised if your district/state did not have a mechanism to keep teachers/coaches from collecting stipends and then not fulfilling the duties for which they were paid. |
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Post by CS on Apr 23, 2020 14:06:53 GMT -6
Couldn’t tell you. I would assume that they wouldn’t have to pay anything back because it’s actually added into our salaries on our contracts. This is state wide not just my district. Why would you assume they wouldn't have to pay something back if they "breached" contract by not coaching? What do you mean by "added into our salaries in contracts"? That intertwining is interesting to say the least. Here you recieve a percentage of salary as a coaching stipend, which (at least for football) is distributed equally through all 24 paychecks. So for example if on the salary scale you made $40,000 based on years and degree and you got 7% for being an asst football coach each of your 24 paychecks will have an additional 116 or so (pre tax) categorized as a coaching stipend. Come February, you are still getting that 116 even though football "season" is long over. I am assuming that if you are just a softball coach, you are getting your stipend 1/24 of your stipend on each check too, even if your season hasn't started yet. I would be surprised if your district/state did not have a mechanism to keep teachers/coaches from collecting stipends and then not fulfilling the duties for which they were paid. If you breach contract here they can take your teaching license so I suppose that is the mechanism for keeping teachers/coaches honest so to speak. We can't be "fired" for losing either. They can reassign us but they have to pay us the same stipend amount we were making. Now if we are just sitting around on our a$$es then yeah they can fire us but if we are legit making an effort then they can't. For instance, the school I just left reassigned their head girls bball coach after 4 years going 0-93. He is now possibly the highest paid 7th grade boys bball/7th grade girls track coach because they can't take his stipends away. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 23, 2020 14:11:57 GMT -6
Why would you assume they wouldn't have to pay something back if they "breached" contract by not coaching? What do you mean by "added into our salaries in contracts"? That intertwining is interesting to say the least. Here you recieve a percentage of salary as a coaching stipend, which (at least for football) is distributed equally through all 24 paychecks. So for example if on the salary scale you made $40,000 based on years and degree and you got 7% for being an asst football coach each of your 24 paychecks will have an additional 116 or so (pre tax) categorized as a coaching stipend. Come February, you are still getting that 116 even though football "season" is long over. I am assuming that if you are just a softball coach, you are getting your stipend 1/24 of your stipend on each check too, even if your season hasn't started yet. I would be surprised if your district/state did not have a mechanism to keep teachers/coaches from collecting stipends and then not fulfilling the duties for which they were paid. If you breach contract here they can take your teaching license so I suppose that is the mechanism for keeping teachers/coaches honest so to speak. We can't be "fired" for losing either. They can reassign us but they have to pay us the same stipend amount we were making. Now if we are just sitting around on our a$$es then yeah they can fire us but if we are legit making an effort then they can't. For instance, the school I just left reassigned their head girls bball coach after 4 years going 0-93. He is now possibly the highest paid 7th grade boys bball/7th grade girls track coach because they can't take his stipends away. So if say, a family member has a major health issue in October, an the Baseball coach goes to the principal and says "hey look, I can't coach baseball this year" he would still get paid for it? Or he would have his teaching license suspended? What state? |
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Post by CS on Apr 23, 2020 14:58:37 GMT -6
If you breach contract here they can take your teaching license so I suppose that is the mechanism for keeping teachers/coaches honest so to speak. We can't be "fired" for losing either. They can reassign us but they have to pay us the same stipend amount we were making. Now if we are just sitting around on our a$$es then yeah they can fire us but if we are legit making an effort then they can't. For instance, the school I just left reassigned their head girls bball coach after 4 years going 0-93. He is now possibly the highest paid 7th grade boys bball/7th grade girls track coach because they can't take his stipends away. So if say, a family member has a major health issue in October, an the Baseball coach goes to the principal and says "hey look, I can't coach baseball this year" he would still get paid for it? Or he would have his teaching license suspended? What state? There are quit a few if thens to that answer. |
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 24, 2020 7:42:30 GMT -6
I do not coach a spring sport, but I kind of think the next question is, SHOULD coaches be paid their spring sport stipend. Even if you got a full month worth of coaching in, is it right to take a full stipend for work you are not doing.
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Post by morris on Apr 24, 2020 8:33:45 GMT -6
I feel like this question is leading to if we don’t have a season will we get paid. I’m sure it’s crossed some coaches minds. Depending on how things fall we are going to see where our districts fall on some things. Like I don’t know if my district views the weight room and everything else out of season as part of the stipend. We don’t have a separate stipend for running the weight room. We don’t lift during school. It also takes a Board vote to change the stipend. If they paid spring the full amount then it’s going to be even more interesting if they change their mind about the fall.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 24, 2020 9:11:58 GMT -6
I feel like this question is leading to if we don’t have a season will we get paid. I’m sure it’s crossed some coaches minds. Depending on how things fall we are going to see where our districts fall on some things. Like I don’t know if my district views the weight room and everything else out of season as part of the stipend. We don’t have a separate stipend for running the weight room. We don’t lift during school. It also takes a Board vote to change the stipend. If they paid spring the full amount then it’s going to be even more interesting if they change their mind about the fall. I think districts would be hard pressed to justify paying stipends (as small as they are..LOL) if it is known before hand that there is not going to be a season. |
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Post by woodyboyd on Apr 24, 2020 11:02:08 GMT -6
In full disclosure, I am a football and baseball coach in Ohio. Just recently, spring sports have been cancelled in our state. My district has been closed for remote learning since March 24th. During this time, all bus drivers (who aren't driving), custodial staff (who aren't cleaning buildings), secretaries, paraprofessionals like teacher aides (who aren't assisting teachers), etc. have all received full pay while having reduced or no responsibilities during this time. The district has not yet made a decision as to whether spring sport coaches will be paid. I'm interested to see how this all develops.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 24, 2020 11:40:35 GMT -6
In full disclosure, I am a football and baseball coach in Ohio. Just recently, spring sports have been cancelled in our state. My district has been closed for remote learning since March 24th. During this time, all bus drivers (who aren't driving), custodial staff (who aren't cleaning buildings), secretaries, paraprofessionals like teacher aides (who aren't assisting teachers), etc. have all received full pay while having reduced or no responsibilities during this time. The district has not yet made a decision as to whether spring sport coaches will be paid. I'm interested to see how this all develops. As a citizen and taxpayer though, I can atleast see some community benefit to those payroll decisions. My teaching partner and I have discussed it a lot (in our situation, since salaries are paid by millages, there are some other issues if the districts entire payroll was just "cut" because that creates a surplus, which leads to other issues etc). I think that feels a bit different than a couple of grand stipend, OR the idea of a different looking payrool going FORWARD |
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