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Post by coachjblair on Oct 25, 2006 18:51:27 GMT -6
I have a situation with one of the quarterbacks I coach in that he seems to lack respect for the coaching staff especially me. When he is told how to correct something he cusses under his breath or will just tune the coach out. I tend to have the most trouble with him in that he is extremely mouthy to me and is very resistant to any coaching I would give him. I know this is partly due to the fact I am a young coach (1st year out of college and he is a college kid), and due to the fact I did not play college football (I was a student assistant at a top 1-AA school).
I told our Offensive Coordinator about this today and he said he would talk to him about it, but at the same time I don’t want it to seem like I am a tattle tale and will tell on my players if they do something wrong. Anyways I was wondering how young coaches or any coach for that matter handles a situation like this.
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 25, 2006 20:13:20 GMT -6
Tough situation - my advice, catch him in a quiet situation and just tell him that you're not sure about his attitude. Tell him that your only goal is to help him be a better football player. Even though you weren't a "player", you ARE his coach. If you are being sincere when you are offering coaching and correction, he should accept it in the spirit it is being given. The other way is to let him know you want to make him a better football player and that if he can't or won't do what you coach him to do, then he's going to sit. Hopefully the OC and Head Coach will back you up.
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Post by coachjd on Oct 25, 2006 20:34:53 GMT -6
If the kid cannot except coaching his college playing time will be very limited IMO. As fbdoc said, sit the kid down and explain to him that you are trying to help him get better everyday, every rep, etc...
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Post by gregodagr8 on Oct 25, 2006 20:36:14 GMT -6
The "BENCH" is the beast teacher....If your willing to do it....
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Post by brophy on Oct 25, 2006 20:50:56 GMT -6
I have a situation with one of the quarterbacks I coach in that he seems to lack respect for the coaching staff especially me. When he is told how to correct something he cusses under his breath or will just tune the coach out. I tend to have the most trouble with him in that he is extremely mouthy to me and is very resistant to any coaching I would give him. I know this is partly due to the fact I am a young coach (1st year out of college and he is a college kid), and due to the fact I did not play college football (I was a student assistant at a top 1-AA school). I told our Offensive Coordinator about this today and he said he would talk to him about it, but at the same time I don’t want it to seem like I am a tattle tale and will tell on my players if they do something wrong. Anyways I was wondering how young coaches or any coach for that matter handles a situation like this. Okay, coach......Here is the contrarian viewpoint (if none of these other answers feel comfortable, try this one on) GET IN HIS FACE and keep pressuring him....if YOU are "his" coach...get in his face and really ride him. This is alpha-male territory, IMO...because some kids are like this. Some just have to know that the person in authority of them isn't a punk and they will test your boundaries until they know you won't take no sh--. Challenging you is his way of finding his security within the program....he is feeling your character out to see if he can get behind your decisions. If you waffle or are insecure - you cannot lead THIS type of player. Asserting "dominance" is a way some men communicate or relate - if he is challenging your authority, he is doing it in front of his peers and setting an example of the level of respect to be associated with you. Explain your situation to the HC, then it comes time for you to stand up for yourself and put this player in his place. I really hate the way this comes across, but we have had our share of players like this, and if you don't set the tone, "rationalization" doesn't make it better. If you challenge these guys early and let them know that "You Are Not The 'One' " ....they will be eating out of your hand later, and will RESPECT you for it. I am ALL FOR TREATING PLAYERS FAIRLY AND EQUALLY AND NUTURING THEM....however, the coach has a role, and the player has a role to play for the squad to function (in crunch time)effectively. Case in point.....this is what forced a cocky NY Giant team to respect a young punk coach named Bill Belichick. Lawrence Taylor has some pretty good stories of the young Belichick's long road for respect among the group of veteran players. good luck
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Post by coachjblair on Oct 25, 2006 20:52:44 GMT -6
Heck he is already our 3rd and final qb. However he does start for JV and I work a lot with him while our OC works with the varsity qb's.
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Post by brophy on Oct 25, 2006 20:56:33 GMT -6
PS - if the HC doesn't back you (if at the worst case, you send player X home for the day) ...THEN YOU ARE ON THE WRONG STAFF ANYWAY.....
there are no daisies on the practice field, so don't tip-toe around like there are.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 26, 2006 2:32:36 GMT -6
I have a situation with one of the quarterbacks I coach in that he seems to lack respect for the coaching staff especially me. When he is told how to correct something he cusses under his breath or will just tune the coach out. I tend to have the most trouble with him in that he is extremely mouthy to me and is very resistant to any coaching I would give him. I know this is partly due to the fact I am a young coach (1st year out of college and he is a college kid), and due to the fact I did not play college football (I was a student assistant at a top 1-AA school). I told our Offensive Coordinator about this today and he said he would talk to him about it, but at the same time I don’t want it to seem like I am a tattle tale and will tell on my players if they do something wrong. Anyways I was wondering how young coaches or any coach for that matter handles a situation like this. and this is why your title isnt "everyones new best friend"- best thing you can learn as a young coach is this...live this... "what you tolerate, you encourage" I learned a very long time ago that a qb with a bad attitude will kill any and all chances for success...not only for your team, but possibly your career. Your qb is a leader whether they want to be a leader or not. choose wisely young grasshopper.
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Post by coachjblair on Oct 26, 2006 6:31:05 GMT -6
Just curious would you support a system where every time the player mouthes off or cusses under his breath he owes you a 40-yard sprint. I am thinking of asking my OC or HC if I can do this but wanted your guys opinion on this.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 26, 2006 6:41:02 GMT -6
Just curious would you support a system where every time the player mouthes off or cusses under his breath he owes you a 40-yard sprint. I am thinking of asking my OC or HC if I can do this but wanted your guys opinion on this. my middle school kids get 5 hills (sprints up a 30 yard hill, very steep) for cursing...id think your high schoolers would need more than a FOURTY that they might just jog to get the message.
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Post by brophy on Oct 26, 2006 6:56:37 GMT -6
Just curious would you support a system where every time the player mouthes off or cusses under his breath he owes you a 40-yard sprint. I am thinking of asking my OC or HC if I can do this but wanted your guys opinion on this. why not just tear into the kid in front of everyone? What is he going to do from there? Challenge you or cuss you out? If he does, he can take a walk - but you have to show him who's boss - who is the authority on that field. If he is insubordinate, make him take a hike (to the furthest landmark on the field)....if his attitude doesn't improve on his return ---- send him again. Just don't turn it into a power-struggle....if you can build a relationship, great - if he doesn't show (realistic) respect, then you have to CONDITION him to respect you. COACH: "Jimmy! Carry out that fake past the tackle! We need it to look the same everytime!"PLAYER: (mumbles) "muthsuckayomomma!"COACH: "Jimmy! You can DO that can't you? You can ensure perfection for the team....?PLAYER: Yes, sirif you get any other answer besides the last one, it turns into.... COACH: " Jimmy! Go to mile marker 68 and come back...."
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Post by coachjblair on Oct 26, 2006 7:42:31 GMT -6
Brophy I would love to do that unforuntly he is the only JV QB we have and we can't stop practice everytime he does this so I can have him run. Believe me if I had more then one QB on JV I would do this but our numbers don't permit it. I mean the only thing I could do is have him do this and put in a RB or WR for him while he runs and that gives our D a bad luck and I doubt our HC or OC would allow me to do this. Believe me if I had two QB's that were on JV this kid would not be on the field with the attiude he currently has. That is why I am thinking I have to do something after practice to show him he needs to chnage his attiude.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Oct 26, 2006 7:43:46 GMT -6
I heard a speaker at a clinic state once "kids will do what you expect them to do". Those words have stuck with me. Make it clear to him what the expectations for performance / behavior whatever and then be consistent.
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Post by coachjblair on Oct 26, 2006 7:47:35 GMT -6
Yes I understand that but the key is what do you do if the player does not show the behavior you want.
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Post by bhb on Oct 26, 2006 7:49:42 GMT -6
What happens if this kid gets injured in a game? With only 1 JV QB trained to even take reps in practice you could be 1 play away from disater..
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Post by coachjblair on Oct 26, 2006 7:54:40 GMT -6
Our JV season is over (we only play 4 JV games due to the fact most other colleges in our area don't have JV), but I don't know who would give the D a look if he went down.
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Post by brophy on Oct 26, 2006 7:57:40 GMT -6
that sucks, man...sorry to hear that I now understand what you're talking about
As I see it you really have two options.
1) Befriend the kid, build his confidence, establish a better relationship with him (talk with him about his assignments and roles and his future success with the team) ...pretty much just letting him know you have his back (as his position coach) and that he is not JUST a tackling dummy for the 1st defense. Maybe he just feels insecure because he can't take a lot of pride in his current position, and being corrected as the SCOUT team QB is even more embarassing and blowing it off (mumbling) is his way of deflecting the embarassment (in front of his peers)
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2) Call him out ON THE SPOT in practice, to get him to S-T-F-U.
your call.
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Post by knighter on Oct 26, 2006 8:04:13 GMT -6
My position coach in college would have just kicked my arse if I lipped off to him.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 26, 2006 8:15:45 GMT -6
Brophy I would love to do that unforuntly he is the only JV QB we have and we can't stop practice everytime he does this so I can have him run. Believe me if I had more then one QB on JV I would do this but our numbers don't permit it. I mean the only thing I could do is have him do this and put in a RB or WR for him while he runs and that gives our D a bad luck and I doubt our HC or OC would allow me to do this. Believe me if I had two QB's that were on JV this kid would not be on the field with the attiude he currently has. That is why I am thinking I have to do something after practice to show him he needs to chnage his attiude. have him do it after practice or have him do it NOW and keep everyone later. get your practice in regardless.
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Post by coachjblair on Oct 26, 2006 8:15:54 GMT -6
Yeah it is defiantly a hard spot to be in plus I already talked to the kid about how the backup spot will be available for next season and that he has a shot at it if he improves during the rest of the season and off-season. I also told him that I would be tough on him due to the fact I know he can be a better QB then he is. This seemed to work for a couple of weeks but then he just seemed to not like any corrections me or the OC told him he should make and now he is getting extremely mouthy and has a total lack of respect for me. He has also improved as the season has gone on so it is not like he is not showing any improvement. Anyways I am at wits end with this kid and am out of ideas on how to deal with him. Plus I think if I called him out he would just smile and joke about it. I really think the only way to get the problem fixed is by sitting him down but unfortunately I don't have anyone else that can play QB.
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Post by roomc on Oct 26, 2006 8:39:05 GMT -6
A few pieces of advice. One I would rather lose players than lose control! I do not care if he is the only JV QB!! Find someone who can make it work. Explain to this young man that his attitude is probably part of the reason he is the JV QB. If he has any aspirations of moving up things need to change. Second, your head coach... I hope would not want a cancer on the team. I would hope your program would rather have good people than good players on your team. If your higher ups do not have your back then you need to rethink your position. You are a young coach and no matter what your experience or background is... they should be there to mentor and help you. Everyone has troubles! My last piece of advice is man up and let him know who is charge. If he cannot except that then too bad... it is your show!!!!Refer back to lose players and not control!!! Good luck! Be firm, but fair!
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 26, 2006 8:59:12 GMT -6
great post right above...great post
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Post by coachjblair on Oct 26, 2006 9:04:18 GMT -6
Thanks for the advice coaches I think I have my plan of attack set. I will talk to the OC and HC and make sure it is Ok if I have him run after practice if he stills gives me lip and if this does not work I will request to put someone else in as JV QB. If this still does not work then we may have to just get rid of the kid.
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Post by coachjd on Oct 26, 2006 9:04:31 GMT -6
I would make sure you guys recruit 2-3 QB's this winter and tell this kid to take a hike! If he cannot show any respect for his coaches he does not belong on the team.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 26, 2006 9:16:23 GMT -6
If a kid ever treated me like that on the football field he would be off the field for that day no doubt. Its simple "get out go take your stuff off your done today" esp some 14-15 yeard old JV kid. No way would that fly I am def not of the lets sit down and talk this out school of thought. I am the coach you are the player I am in charge you are not. End of discussion. You dont like it goodbye. I understand that he is the only kid able to run the scout team in your opinion we have been is situations where u just have to throw a kid in there and see what he can do. If there is trouble with the snap then just have the qb hold the ball on the centers back and simulate a snap. But there is no way in h**l I would take that from a player. If your HC or OC dont agree with you then I would look for a new place to coach.
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Post by brophy on Oct 26, 2006 9:17:36 GMT -6
If a kid ever treated me like that on the football field he would be off the field for that day no doubt. Its simple "get out go take your stuff off your done today" esp some 14-15 yeard old JV kid. I believe this is a College JV kid
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 26, 2006 9:41:44 GMT -6
I know I already offered my 2 cents earlier about talking to the kid and explaining that you are only there to help him. It was interesting to see the number of responces follow that said to rip him or kick him out of practice for the day. I can tell you, I've been there-done that many times! It's still my natural reaction any time I see or hear that type of disrespect for one of my assistants (or me!). Having said that, I still feel that unless it's a blatant, in your face comment in front of the team, the better course of action is to handle it quietly. If the kid is still a jerk, then HELL YES - I'm going to rip him a new one! But over the years I've found I usually get more mileage out of quietly saying "What the heck are you doing?" instead of going off at the first sign.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 26, 2006 9:50:46 GMT -6
today is our last practice in pads...i have middle school kids...at the conclusion of yesterdays practice i had two boys who were chatting while i was summing up our practice etc...it was beyond disrespectful and something i dont tolerate...and one of the boys had previously been benched for half a game for chattering like that during our half time discussion...so, todays practice starts off with a bit of up downs to remind the kids that they need to be respectful when a coach is talking. just what you have to do sometimes. you dont provide discipline to them. you provide it for them. the kids will learn to appreciate the fact that you are no nonsense, no sugar coating, no silliness kind of person.
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Post by coachjblair on Oct 26, 2006 9:56:23 GMT -6
fbdoc I agree that the first thing to do is to sit down with the kid and tell him I am only thier to help him. I have done this and our OC is going to do it today. I am just trying to figuer out what to do if the talk does not get him to change his ways.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 26, 2006 10:38:36 GMT -6
Oh yeah I see now that it is a college kid. That makes it even simpler in my mind then. He is an adult and better act like one if he can't take it I wouldn't want him around at all. Whats he gonna do in 2-3 years when he has a job and his boss gets on him? Tell him to f'off? Then he would get fired I imagine. I can't think that any Coll. HC would allow that kind of disrespect towards one of his coaches.
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