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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 28, 2018 14:27:04 GMT -6
Sounds more like an indictment of the adults in your society than of the children.
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Post by mackd on Jun 28, 2018 14:44:07 GMT -6
I know when I first got to my current school as an assistant, we had camp 4 days a week from 8-12 and then 7 on 7 two days a week from 4-7. At the beginning we had 65 guys by the end we could barely play in the 7 on 7’s. First thing I did as head coach was trim the morning stuff to 8-11 and we did two 7 on 7’s all summer. The first week the kids couldn’t believe how much stuff we got done in 8 hours of field time and 4 hours of lifting. I have a lot of kids that work and this schedule still allows them to do that.
Plus I’m getting more kids at camp now then when I was an assistant. Too much kill their love of the game.
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Post by cbnindian on Jun 28, 2018 16:19:36 GMT -6
We talk of grinding as football coaches and making it grinding for our kids we work with in the summer.. I ask some of our kids today after workouts about playing for the fun of it. Many of these kids I ask specifically that are playing basketball and baseball this summer along with doing our workouts. Here was my conversation with a few kids today about playing for fun!
Coach to player: “you go play basketball or baseball in the afternoon and on weekends for AAU or some organized travel team in a tournament?” Player to coach: “yes sir, we play so and so this weekend” Coach to player: “does it cost you?” Player to coach: “we have to pay some fee to help with entrance fee for tournaments and jerseys” Coach to player: “When is the last time you played a game for fun. Got some guys together and played pick up basketball or maybe a game of wiffleball?” Player to coach: “last time I played a pick up basketball game was on spring break” (2 months ago) Another player to coach: “we played some ball over the Christmas holidays”
Funny we talk about kids playing a game for fun and bring up going to play AAU basketball or travel baseball yet the kids I ask today hadn’t played for fun in at least a couple of months. We can provide excuses about workouts and grinding but face it those kids paying money to play AAU basketball and travel baseball ain’t playing for FUN! They just dont have to work hardly at all in AAU or travel baseball. Like I said in my other post we don’t grind as a staff or ask our kids to grind. Come in and do what you do and get gone.
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Post by fantom on Jun 28, 2018 16:21:09 GMT -6
They’re children. It’s high school football. It’s not actually important, no matter how much we might care about it. If they’re not having fun then they’re not only within their rights but they SHOULD quit. They’re not morally beholden to a silly game.
Respectfully disagree that "It's not actually important". In our area we have school choice. Show me a perennial losing football program and I'll show you a school with net negative enrollment from a school choice perspective. Granted there are other factors but I'd argue quality of football is a major one. It's not just the players, non-playing kids want to be part of school with pride, and the football program leads that - it sets the tone for the whole athletic department, and the whole district. Losing those kids means losing state per pupil dollars. Taking it further, perception of school district impacts housing prices, which then affects the ability of a community to attract investment for development. It's more than a game.
For some reason, that line of reasoning reminds me of this:
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Post by wingtol on Jun 28, 2018 16:56:55 GMT -6
Wonder what the colleration between coaches age and the "grinding" time put in is? The older I get the less I feel like we need to do in summer, outside of weight room of course, and we go 3 night a week with 2 hours on the field.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 17:40:11 GMT -6
We talk of grinding as football coaches and making it grinding for our kids we work with in the summer.. I ask some of our kids today after workouts about playing for the fun of it. Many of these kids I ask specifically that are playing basketball and baseball this summer along with doing our workouts. Here was my conversation with a few kids today about playing for fun! Coach to player: “you go play basketball or baseball in the afternoon and on weekends for AAU or some organized travel team in a tournament?” Player to coach: “yes sir, we play so and so this weekend” Coach to player: “does it cost you?” Player to coach: “we have to pay some fee to help with entrance fee for tournaments and jerseys” Coach to player: “When is the last time you played a game for fun. Got some guys together and played pick up basketball or maybe a game of wiffleball?” Player to coach: “last time I played a pick up basketball game was on spring break” (2 months ago) Another player to coach: “we played some ball over the Christmas holidays” Funny we talk about kids playing a game for fun and bring up going to play AAU basketball or travel baseball yet the kids I ask today hadn’t played for fun in at least a couple of months. We can provide excuses about workouts and grinding but face it those kids paying money to play AAU basketball and travel baseball ain’t playing for FUN! They just dont have to work hardly at all in AAU or travel baseball. Like I said in my other post we don’t grind as a staff or ask our kids to grind. Come in and do what you do and get gone. this whole thread is adults using kids a human shield to attack their issues with time being spent "away from family." That has not been said in this thread, but it is at the heart of it. A lot of "coaches" would rather be do something else and I would bet family is not the list. Adults have a problem with the work and the competition, not the KIDS. Kids love it.
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Post by **** on Jun 28, 2018 19:34:59 GMT -6
They’re children. It’s high school football. It’s not actually important, no matter how much we might care about it. If they’re not having fun then they’re not only within their rights but they SHOULD quit. They’re not morally beholden to a silly game.
Respectfully disagree that "It's not actually important". In our area we have school choice. Show me a perennial losing football program and I'll show you a school with net negative enrollment from a school choice perspective. Granted there are other factors but I'd argue quality of football is a major one. It's not just the players, non-playing kids want to be part of school with pride, and the football program leads that - it sets the tone for the whole athletic department, and the whole district. Losing those kids means losing state per pupil dollars. Taking it further, perception of school district impacts housing prices, which then affects the ability of a community to attract investment for development. It's more than a game.
This guy gets it.
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Post by NC1974 on Jun 28, 2018 20:20:50 GMT -6
We talk of grinding as football coaches and making it grinding for our kids we work with in the summer.. I ask some of our kids today after workouts about playing for the fun of it. Many of these kids I ask specifically that are playing basketball and baseball this summer along with doing our workouts. Here was my conversation with a few kids today about playing for fun! Coach to player: “you go play basketball or baseball in the afternoon and on weekends for AAU or some organized travel team in a tournament?” Player to coach: “yes sir, we play so and so this weekend” Coach to player: “does it cost you?” Player to coach: “we have to pay some fee to help with entrance fee for tournaments and jerseys” Coach to player: “When is the last time you played a game for fun. Got some guys together and played pick up basketball or maybe a game of wiffleball?” Player to coach: “last time I played a pick up basketball game was on spring break” (2 months ago) Another player to coach: “we played some ball over the Christmas holidays” Funny we talk about kids playing a game for fun and bring up going to play AAU basketball or travel baseball yet the kids I ask today hadn’t played for fun in at least a couple of months. We can provide excuses about workouts and grinding but face it those kids paying money to play AAU basketball and travel baseball ain’t playing for FUN! They just dont have to work hardly at all in AAU or travel baseball. Like I said in my other post we don’t grind as a staff or ask our kids to grind. Come in and do what you do and get gone. this whole thread is adults using kids a human shield to attack their issues with time being spent "away from family." That has not been said in this thread, but it is at the heart of it. A lot of "coaches" would rather be do something else and I would bet family is not the list. Adults have a problem with the work and the competition, not the KIDS. Kids love it. Grad17, I'm trying to clarify your position. You believe that this thread is about coaches not wanting to put in the time? I suppose that could be true in some cases. But that wouldn't help explain the decline in numbers that many of us are experiencing, could it? My two cents: I think you have some kids who love "the grind" or extra hours. But the reality is in order to function a football program needs numbers. I believe that for many kids there comes a point that the time requirement outweighs the satisfaction they are getting from the sport. We could we respond by saying well good riddance to those kids. But it's hard to have a program without those kids.
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Post by carookie on Jun 28, 2018 21:22:45 GMT -6
We talk of grinding as football coaches and making it grinding for our kids we work with in the summer.. I ask some of our kids today after workouts about playing for the fun of it. Many of these kids I ask specifically that are playing basketball and baseball this summer along with doing our workouts. Here was my conversation with a few kids today about playing for fun! Coach to player: “you go play basketball or baseball in the afternoon and on weekends for AAU or some organized travel team in a tournament?” Player to coach: “yes sir, we play so and so this weekend” Coach to player: “does it cost you?” Player to coach: “we have to pay some fee to help with entrance fee for tournaments and jerseys” Coach to player: “When is the last time you played a game for fun. Got some guys together and played pick up basketball or maybe a game of wiffleball?” Player to coach: “last time I played a pick up basketball game was on spring break” (2 months ago) Another player to coach: “we played some ball over the Christmas holidays” Funny we talk about kids playing a game for fun and bring up going to play AAU basketball or travel baseball yet the kids I ask today hadn’t played for fun in at least a couple of months. We can provide excuses about workouts and grinding but face it those kids paying money to play AAU basketball and travel baseball ain’t playing for FUN! They just dont have to work hardly at all in AAU or travel baseball. Like I said in my other post we don’t grind as a staff or ask our kids to grind. Come in and do what you do and get gone. this whole thread is adults using kids a human shield to attack their issues with time being spent "away from family." That has not been said in this thread, but it is at the heart of it. A lot of "coaches" would rather be do something else and I would bet family is not the list. Adults have a problem with the work and the competition, not the KIDS. Kids love it. I disagree, the original premise of this thread is that there are many coaches our there who brag about the amount of time their team puts forward. And that the higher amount of time is to be worn as a badge of honor or a mark that they are doing more (read better) work than other programs. Thus, "#Grindseason" (bragging about the grind). Others have used this thread to show how many program that do brag about hours spent are intentionally inefficient in an effort to put forth more hours (to later brag about it). I have coached for programs that were like this, we were 24 hours a week in summer, but the last hour to 90 minutes of each morning practice was usually made up on the fly and consisted of long winded rambling speeches or watching films of college guys doing drills. In essence there was no real benefit to the time being spent other than to show off the amount of hours we put in. Regardless, the line where one draw in regards to working too much or too little is relative to your personal position & opinion (much like driving speed-where anyone faster than you is a maniac and anyone slower than you is driving like a grandma). As such, I think it is unfair to accuse someone for being lazy without knowing their whole story. I imagine you'd agree that there is a point out there that is too much in regards to summer hours, where maybe kids wouldn't love it. Lets say your line is 30 hours a week (just for examples sake), so would it be fair of someone who had their team going 32 hours a week in the summer to say of you that you are "using kids a human shield to attack their issues with time being spent 'away from family.'" Or that you, "have a problem with the work and the competition..." Because relative to their position they could make that claim. Or are they going overboard in the amount of time they are asking?
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Post by throwahitch on Jun 28, 2018 21:53:54 GMT -6
We talk of grinding as football coaches and making it grinding for our kids we work with in the summer.. I ask some of our kids today after workouts about playing for the fun of it. Many of these kids I ask specifically that are playing basketball and baseball this summer along with doing our workouts. Here was my conversation with a few kids today about playing for fun! Coach to player: “you go play basketball or baseball in the afternoon and on weekends for AAU or some organized travel team in a tournament?” Player to coach: “yes sir, we play so and so this weekend” Coach to player: “does it cost you?” Player to coach: “we have to pay some fee to help with entrance fee for tournaments and jerseys” Coach to player: “When is the last time you played a game for fun. Got some guys together and played pick up basketball or maybe a game of wiffleball?” Player to coach: “last time I played a pick up basketball game was on spring break” (2 months ago) Another player to coach: “we played some ball over the Christmas holidays” Funny we talk about kids playing a game for fun and bring up going to play AAU basketball or travel baseball yet the kids I ask today hadn’t played for fun in at least a couple of months. We can provide excuses about workouts and grinding but face it those kids paying money to play AAU basketball and travel baseball ain’t playing for FUN! They just dont have to work hardly at all in AAU or travel baseball. Like I said in my other post we don’t grind as a staff or ask our kids to grind. Come in and do what you do and get gone. this whole thread is adults using kids a human shield to attack their issues with time being spent "away from family." That has not been said in this thread, but it is at the heart of it. A lot of "coaches" would rather be do something else and I would bet family is not the list. Adults have a problem with the work and the competition, not the KIDS. Kids love it. This is the guy who posts videos of his players in the weightroom daily with the hashtags I was talking about. It is not about not wanting to coach. Did the coaches in the 60s-90s not want to coach? This whole thread was meant to gauge other coaches opinions on how some coaches are turning a high school sport into some of these kids entire life. Resulting in the alienation of players who do not love it the same as the 5% of players who become coaches.
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Post by NC1974 on Jun 28, 2018 22:08:33 GMT -6
I have been thinking about this awhile. I graduated high school when the Grind season was beginning to start catching attention. It seems coaches have fallen into this as well. If you dont spend 18 hours a week in the summer at the field house, than you are not a committed coach. I have seen numerous threads talking about various things i'll mention in this thread. First, there was a thread months maybe years back talking about the declining numbers in football. I am currently coaching at a school where the numbers are in the lower 20s, and in the 80s and 90s they would be in the upper 30s to lower 40s. I am about to say something that either everybody wants to say, or nobody wants to hear. Most Summer workouts and Summer activities are killing off the classic football roster. Used to, kids would be able to show up for fall camp two weeks before school and be able to play. Kids would be able to be recruited to play during the first days of school. Kids played because it was something to do. Kids played because it was fun. Now, it has turned into a summer job for players. How many kids on your teams work the traditional summer jobs? Construction, Farms, etc. Talked to a coach today at a large school who said only 20% of their players even have part time jobs. The reason the numbers are declining is the kids who would play for fun are now being kicked off or bad mouthed by coaching staff. Today, if a kid chooses not to make football his life for four years, he's wasting his potential, or he is lazy. These are the players who do not play anymore. The number one thing I hear from a quitting football player is "I just want to focus on *insert sport here*". They say this because they were playing football out of boredom. Something to do in the fall. But since you want to spend 2-4 hours a day everyday in the summer, it is no longer worth it to those type of players to play. Thus, killing the large roster size, and the "every boy in the school plays football" era. Long story short, if a Kid is unwilling to make football his summer job, he doesnt play football anymore. I understand everyone is doing it, which makes you have to out work them or keep up with them to be successful, but at some point, you have to remind yourself that we are turning a generation from football. I think we have gone to far, and long for the time where kids were able to be kids, and football at this level was a sport and not a year round job. The reason numbers are is not #grindseason. Its the adults. We cannot ask to show for 25 work outs over the summer and 80 pct.of the staff can't be found. Or only shows up for 10 workouts. Kids will look at you sideways. You cannot demand kids show up on time then start the meeting whenever it convenes you or have staff members walk in late. Cannot claim family as a reason to leave the office then ask parents to schedule events around your practices. The kids can see the non sense and double standard. They will in kind tell you where to go. Its not the kids that are the problem. I have to admit, I'm intrigued by Grad17's posts. He seems to be coaching in an environment where coaches regularly miss practices and show up late to meetings? Or am I misreading?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 1:34:09 GMT -6
this whole thread is adults using kids a human shield to attack their issues with time being spent "away from family." That has not been said in this thread, but it is at the heart of it. A lot of "coaches" would rather be do something else and I would bet family is not the list. Adults have a problem with the work and the competition, not the KIDS. Kids love it. This is the guy who posts videos of his players in the weightroom daily with the hashtags I was talking about. It is not about not wanting to coach. Did the coaches in the 60s-90s not want to coach? This whole thread was meant to gauge other coaches opinions on how some coaches are turning a high school sport into some of these kids entire life. Resulting in the alienation of players who do not love it the same as the 5% of players who become coaches. I will only suggest that alienation is in what kids hear the coaching demand and what the coaches are doing. It not the time, but the contradiction that turns off kids.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 1:39:09 GMT -6
The reason numbers are is not #grindseason. Its the adults. We cannot ask to show for 25 work outs over the summer and 80 pct.of the staff can't be found. Or only shows up for 10 workouts. Kids will look at you sideways. You cannot demand kids show up on time then start the meeting whenever it convenes you or have staff members walk in late. Cannot claim family as a reason to leave the office then ask parents to schedule events around your practices. The kids can see the non sense and double standard. They will in kind tell you where to go. Its not the kids that are the problem. I have to admit, I'm intrigued by Grad17's posts. He seems to be coaching in an environment where coaches regularly miss practices and show up late to meetings? Or am I misreading? Coaches screaming at kids for tardiness and after the same coach walked late to the same meeting. Or claim that you are a man and have to support a family as reason you are not in a workout. Kids are not going to go for that.
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Post by throwahitch on Jun 29, 2018 9:34:51 GMT -6
I have to admit, I'm intrigued by Grad17's posts. He seems to be coaching in an environment where coaches regularly miss practices and show up late to meetings? Or am I misreading? Coaches screaming at kids for tardiness and after the same coach walked late to the same meeting. Or claim that you are a man and have to support a family as reason you are not in a workout. Kids are not going to go for that. I understand that may turn kids off, but thats not what this thread is about. Its about a dropping number of kids in the sport with a correlation to an emphasis being put on grinding at the field house for umpteen hours a day.
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Post by blb on Jul 3, 2018 5:29:48 GMT -6
Have you had kid(s) that played Sub-Varsity, didn't play a year, then came back out as a Senior?
I did, and I'm convinced it's because they didn't want to work so hard to rarely play.
As much as we can talk about competition, if an older and younger player are even the latter plays, etc., kids figure out (or think they do) who's going to start-play where.
If they can't be the lead dog they don't want to be a dog at all, at least not at that price.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 3, 2018 7:02:44 GMT -6
Have you had kid(s) that played Sub-Varsity, didn't play a year, then came back out as a Senior? I did, and I'm convinced it's because they didn't want to work so hard to rarely play. As much as we can talk about competition, if an older and younger player are even the latter plays, etc., kids figure out (or think they do) who's going to start-play where. If they can't be the lead dog they don't want to be a dog at all, at least not at that price. We see this at the JV level as well. This year I have 2 very viable QBs. One is a 10th grader, he's about 5'9, pretty quick, decent arm. Could be a good little JV QB, and probably even get the job done on Friday nights going forward. Also have a QB who is about to be in 9th grade, is about 40 pounds heavier, and is currently 6'3 and still growing. Talent wise, as of TODAY, they are equal, but we all know who is going to get the starting nod if they stay equal. Heck, I might be forced to start the frosh even if he isn't quite as good just because of him having more time to develop. Fortunately for the 10th grader, if/when he gets nudged out of the QB job, he's a great enough athlete to start elsewhere on the offense, and is for sure going to be a starting safety or corner for us depending on how well he can tackle.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jul 3, 2018 9:56:08 GMT -6
Have you had kid(s) that played Sub-Varsity, didn't play a year, then came back out as a Senior? I did, and I'm convinced it's because they didn't want to work so hard to rarely play. As much as we can talk about competition, if an older and younger player are even the latter plays, etc., kids figure out (or think they do) who's going to start-play where. If they can't be the lead dog they don't want to be a dog at all, at least not at that price.
I've had that over the years and invariably those kids are way behind. I often find myself wondering how good they could have been had they gone 4 straight years.
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Post by klaby on Jul 24, 2018 10:47:46 GMT -6
We expect our kids to attend our summer camp, we don't hold against them if they cant, yes amongst ourselves we are frustrated. We have 3 different times for lifting, and the HC will adjust if kids need it. My son plays at another school. Same thing they have 4 times to lift during the summer, difference is its open to every kid not just FB. The coach expects attendance at the team camp.
This year we held our camp at night, we emailed every other sport coach and asked if there were conflicts, AAU, Legion Ball. They had none, then camp comes and the Legion Guy schedules a game, freaking pole vault coach holds a camp at the same time, AAU guy schedules practice and a game.
We try and work around the kids schedules as best we can. And we tell kids, come when you can do what you can. No 7 on 7 this year, we just couldn't schedule around the kids time.
But the bottom line is we know if a kid doesn't lift then that hurts the kid and us. So you gotta do more than just lift and run them. You gotta add some fun to the mix, reward, some thing that doesn't make it a job. And you cant go all drill instructor on a kid who is late or misses now and then. If he is late, hell at least he is there.
But then again our HC isn't making 100K or playing on ESPN....so....
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 24, 2018 21:57:47 GMT -6
We talk of grinding as football coaches and making it grinding for our kids we work with in the summer.. I ask some of our kids today after workouts about playing for the fun of it. Many of these kids I ask specifically that are playing basketball and baseball this summer along with doing our workouts. Here was my conversation with a few kids today about playing for fun! Coach to player: “you go play basketball or baseball in the afternoon and on weekends for AAU or some organized travel team in a tournament?” Player to coach: “yes sir, we play so and so this weekend” Coach to player: “does it cost you?” Player to coach: “we have to pay some fee to help with entrance fee for tournaments and jerseys” Coach to player: “When is the last time you played a game for fun. Got some guys together and played pick up basketball or maybe a game of wiffleball?” Player to coach: “last time I played a pick up basketball game was on spring break” (2 months ago) Another player to coach: “we played some ball over the Christmas holidays” Funny we talk about kids playing a game for fun and bring up going to play AAU basketball or travel baseball yet the kids I ask today hadn’t played for fun in at least a couple of months. We can provide excuses about workouts and grinding but face it those kids paying money to play AAU basketball and travel baseball ain’t playing for FUN! They just dont have to work hardly at all in AAU or travel baseball. Like I said in my other post we don’t grind as a staff or ask our kids to grind. Come in and do what you do and get gone. this whole thread is adults using kids a human shield to attack their issues with time being spent "away from family." That has not been said in this thread, but it is at the heart of it. A lot of "coaches" would rather be do something else and I would bet family is not the list. Adults have a problem with the work and the competition, not the KIDS. Kids love it. Ahhh... The old, if you don't want to spend all your time on football stuff you're selfish or lazy argument. Maybe that's true. But as a 42 year old man with 2 kids of my own, it's more important to me to make sure my own blood is raised correctly than to babysit someone else's child. Besides, I have other interests outide football. If you not only spend 4-6 hours a day with HS boys preparing to play a game, but maybe another 2-3 in the coaches' office, I would suggest something is wrong with you. We complain that kids spend all their time playing a worthless game in Fortnite, but at least they're playing. We're spending half our lives supervising someone else's kid playing a game that we care more about the outcome of than them. Tell me, who's the {censored} up one in this scenario?
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 25, 2018 8:53:44 GMT -6
Ahhh... The old, if you don't want to spend all your time on football stuff you're selfish or lazy argument. Maybe that's true. But as a 42 year old man with 2 kids of my own, it's more important to me to make sure my own blood is raised correctly than to babysit someone else's child. Besides, I have other interests outide football. If you not only spend 4-6 hours a day with HS boys preparing to play a game, but maybe another 2-3 in the coaches' office, I would suggest something is wrong with you. We complain that kids spend all their time playing a worthless game in Fortnite, but at least they're playing. We're spending half our lives supervising someone else's kid playing a game that we care more about the outcome of than them. Tell me, who's the {censored} up one in this scenario? aha! So now you are doing it at gun point! Ultimately you are whining about something you choose to do. And ultimately you have own version of fortunate I.e wife and kids. Few questions, and indulge me if you've answered these somewhere else- How old are? How long have you been coaching? Assistant or head and how long if HC? What is your marital status? Any kids?
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 25, 2018 9:05:02 GMT -6
Few questions, and indulge me if you've answered these somewhere else- How old are? How long have you been coaching? Assistant or head and how long if HC? What is your marital status? Any kids? no. You introduced your personal life into the conversation. My personal life will stay just that. We all have vices, choices we make in life.And as a result, we all suffer consequences.kids and adults, coaches and players alike. Dude, just stop. You literally have NEVER made yourself look good in any thread, ever.
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Post by SconnieOC on Jul 25, 2018 9:26:08 GMT -6
aha! So now you are doing it at gun point! Ultimately you are whining about something you choose to do. And ultimately you have own version of fortunate I.e wife and kids. Few questions, and indulge me if you've answered these somewhere else- How old are? How long have you been coaching? Assistant or head and how long if HC? What is your marital status? Any kids? These questions are the differences right? A lot of young guys don't get it. They want to talk about being a harda$$.. Guys with kids and a wife don't own their own time anymore so grinding takes a back seat. I love golfing and fishing, but I've fished twice all year, and golfed maybe 4 times (2 of which being outings to support our program). It's certainly not because I'm in the office for 8 hours a day.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 25, 2018 10:39:56 GMT -6
Grad17,
I have to ask because you have alluded to it several times now. Is there a particular coach on your staff who regularly misses practices and meetings? Are you allowing your experience with this guy to let you generally believe that that is how "older coaches" act? Your world view of coaches (and I'm assuming you are one) seems very warped. Which makes me wonder how much experience you have?
Here is another thought that may or may not pertain to you. I have been on staffs where everybody does what is expected of them, BUT one or two go getters go above and beyond and do all sorts of other things. (often times, but not always, these guy are young with no families).This is awesome and those go getters will surely be rewarded. BUT occasionally those go getters will take the attitude of "I do so much more than these other guys, they must be lazy, they must not care etc etc." That to me is an immature view. Not saying that's your deal, but it's something I've experienced.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jul 25, 2018 10:47:49 GMT -6
I can’t wait till grad17 decides he never wants to log onto here again. Dude ruins every thread he participates in
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Post by SconnieOC on Jul 25, 2018 12:12:01 GMT -6
These questions are the differences right? A lot of young guys don't get it. They want to talk about being a harda$$.. Guys with kids and a wife don't own their own time anymore so grinding takes a back seat. I love golfing and fishing, but I've fished twice all year, and golfed maybe 4 times (2 of which being outings to support our program). It's certainly not because I'm in the office for 8 hours a day. no, it's not about being a hard azz.Adults make decisions on what is important just as kids do. Kids, no kid, married, divorce, adults own their time. Kids own their time. When that kids comes to us in his junior year about getting help for college We pull his time one in wt Rm and look at his grades. Wouldn't you Know it his commitment to wt rm and grades are identical. Oh and btw he has had every chance to be a starter and consistently finds his way to the pine. Same with asst. Coaches. Want to go to said college game or watch the game. Can't set the alarm clock to be at a meeting, this that or the other..want to guess who lined up to be dc in January? None of what I said is about being late to a meeting and then asking for a promotion...? I just said there's really no reason to spend all that time... its generally unnecessary. Many of us, myself included often make too big a deal out of this game. It's my passion, and my livelihood, but I will never let it affect how my son is raised, or how my wife is treated. Of course there are times that she understands she kind of takes a backseat (in season specifically), but I'm never going to be the guy who sits around the office in June throwing pencils at the ceiling and watching hours of NFL/D1 video clips. I do that at night when the family goes to bed. Which is exactly what this thread is referencing, along with overworking kids
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 25, 2018 12:30:33 GMT -6
I can’t wait till grad17 decides he never wants to log onto here again. Dude ruins every thread he participates in He just needs to grow the heck up a little bit (we've all been there), and maybe proofread what he writes, or just stop trolling if that's what he's doing. I'm sure there are some valuable contributions that he can make, but right now he just presents himself as everything that is wrong with our game.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 25, 2018 13:34:03 GMT -6
None of what I said is about being late to a meeting and then asking for a promotion...? I just said there's really no reason to spend all that time... its generally unnecessary. Many of us, myself included often make too big a deal out of this game. It's my passion, and my livelihood, but I will never let it affect how my son is raised, or how my wife is treated. Of course there are times that she understands she kind of takes a backseat (in season specifically), but I'm never going to be the guy who sits around the office in June throwing pencils at the ceiling and watching hours of NFL/D1 video clips. I do that at night when the family goes to bed. Which is exactly what this thread is referencing, along with overworking kids kid are not choosing to skip football because they are over worked. They work 2x aas hard at video games, summer job, school, gettin' some. And they still find time to drink smoke weed, or whatever. The reason do not come is because they justifiably see a double standard. The players are suppose to at x number of work outs a week during summer. Most coaches can't be but once a week during summer. Coaches justify just the way you did. " I am a man, I have kids I have to feed!" That is the average coach. But when the kid misses a work out, "we a part of a brother hood, you be lettin' your brothers down" from same coach who does his weekly appearance. The kid rightfully so flip the coach the bird. You want to say we spend to much bs'ing? I wouldn't argue that. We do a lot of thing that simply defy logic and is done because. That does not justify the double standard many coaches have when it comes to their players. Its the adults not the kids. Kids play every other virtually year round down here. Its not work that is the problem, and you are not fooling them. We just had another two quit yesterday citing the time commitment. They basically just want to sit around and smoke, so your post is wrong as usual.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 25, 2018 13:42:33 GMT -6
"Most coaches can't be but once a week during summer. Coaches justify just the way you did. " I am a man, I have kids I have " Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/81844/grindseason-ruining-football?page=4#ixzz5MITzll8WI would wager that "MOST" coaches on this board would prove your above quote wrong. How big of a sample size do you have (at 23 yrs old I'm guessing) to make this statement. I think you are living in a bubble.
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Post by SconnieOC on Jul 25, 2018 13:49:25 GMT -6
None of what I said is about being late to a meeting and then asking for a promotion...? I just said there's really no reason to spend all that time... its generally unnecessary. Many of us, myself included often make too big a deal out of this game. It's my passion, and my livelihood, but I will never let it affect how my son is raised, or how my wife is treated. Of course there are times that she understands she kind of takes a backseat (in season specifically), but I'm never going to be the guy who sits around the office in June throwing pencils at the ceiling and watching hours of NFL/D1 video clips. I do that at night when the family goes to bed. Which is exactly what this thread is referencing, along with overworking kids kid are not choosing to skip football because they are over worked. They work 2x aas hard at video games, summer job, school, gettin' some. And they still find time to drink smoke weed, or whatever. The reason do not come is because they justifiably see a double standard. The players are suppose to at x number of work outs a week during summer. Most coaches can't be but once a week during summer. Coaches justify just the way you did. " I am a man, I have kids I have to feed!" That is the average coach. But when the kid misses a work out, "we a part of a brother hood, you be lettin' your brothers down" from same coach who does his weekly appearance. The kid rightfully so flip the coach the bird. You want to say we spend to much bs'ing? I wouldn't argue that. We do a lot of thing that simply defy logic and is done because. That does not justify the double standard many coaches have when it comes to their players. Its the adults not the kids. Kids play every other virtually year round down here. Its not work that is the problem, and you are not fooling them. We just had 3 kids quit in the last week, citing different reasons.. When our kids are there, our staff is there, but we don't waste time sitting around.. as I stated in my previous post. It sucks for you that you have to work with guys who make excuses and don't show up, probably more indicative of the program you're a part of than the general football culture. Steve Spurrier is notorious for playing a TON of golf in the summer, his thoughts... get your stuff done and get out... is he an average coach? It's guys like you that this post is about... calling people average because they value family and free time. I'm sorry that you're mind and viewpoint of what "hard work" is has become so warped
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Post by CS on Jul 25, 2018 15:49:28 GMT -6
None of what I said is about being late to a meeting and then asking for a promotion...? I just said there's really no reason to spend all that time... its generally unnecessary. Many of us, myself included often make too big a deal out of this game. It's my passion, and my livelihood, but I will never let it affect how my son is raised, or how my wife is treated. Of course there are times that she understands she kind of takes a backseat (in season specifically), but I'm never going to be the guy who sits around the office in June throwing pencils at the ceiling and watching hours of NFL/D1 video clips. I do that at night when the family goes to bed. Which is exactly what this thread is referencing, along with overworking kids kid are not choosing to skip football because they are over worked. They work 2x aas hard at video games, summer job, school, gettin' some. And they still find time to drink smoke weed, or whatever. The reason do not come is because they justifiably see a double standard. The players are suppose to at x number of work outs a week during summer. Most coaches can't be but once a week during summer. Coaches justify just the way you did. " I am a man, I have kids I have to feed!" That is the average coach. But when the kid misses a work out, "we a part of a brother hood, you be lettin' your brothers down" from same coach who does his weekly appearance. The kid rightfully so flip the coach the bird. You want to say we spend to much bs'ing? I wouldn't argue that. We do a lot of thing that simply defy logic and is done because. That does not justify the double standard many coaches have when it comes to their players. Its the adults not the kids. Kids play every other virtually year round down here. Its not work that is the problem, and you are not fooling them. None of our coaches missed a single workout nor were late all summer and we had some kids quit. And we are in a football powerhouse school. You seem to have all the answers. What is the reason for them wanting to quit??
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