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Post by coachklee on Jan 2, 2018 11:16:41 GMT -6
Anyone else check out the coaches’ broadcast on ESPN this year? They have it for the Rose Bowl & I assume the Sugar Bowl this year in addition to the Naty.
My takeaways...
View is so much better. The game is the majority of the screen while the coaches take up a much smashed part of the screen.
Gary Patterson is the best coach in the room followed closely by Bielema.
Bielema pointed out the obvious that Georgia’s O owns Oklahoma’s D up front.
Bielema is probably the most fun to sit & watch a ball game with while sharing some beers...he just has that kind of build.
I don’t know if I’ve seen or heard Major Applewhite talk...
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Post by agap on Jan 2, 2018 11:21:18 GMT -6
I don't get that channel so hopefully it ends up on YouTube eventually like other years.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jan 2, 2018 11:42:14 GMT -6
Gary Patterson was excellent. Seems like he has a great sense of humor. They all showed unique and funny human personalities you can’t see from watching them coach or even in interviews.
What really stood out was how much they talked about specific players not so much concept and strategy (they talked a bit about it but way less than I anticipated).
“Players not plays”
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Post by rudyrude9 on Jan 2, 2018 11:56:49 GMT -6
I think it got better once Patterson left.
They dude never stopped talking.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 2, 2018 12:02:08 GMT -6
Gary Patterson was excellent. Seems like he has a great sense of humor. They all showed unique and funny human personalities you can’t see from watching them coach or even in interviews. What really stood out was how much they talked about specific players not so much concept and strategy (they talked a bit about it but way less than I anticipated). “Players not plays” I think a lot of that may have to do with the fact that just like the rest of us watching live on TV, they don't really know what the hell is going on either despite being top level coaches. Not sure how much prep time they put into it |
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Post by coachfitz on Jan 2, 2018 12:07:46 GMT -6
Patterson talked circles around those guys
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Post by dbeck84 on Jan 2, 2018 12:45:47 GMT -6
I couldn't get past the fact ESPN had them drinking out of the same sippy cups my 2 year old son uses. Cracked me up every time someone took a drink.
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Post by **** on Jan 2, 2018 13:33:12 GMT -6
Patterson talked circles around those guys What's even crazier is that Saban, Venables, Smart, and Don Brown are on an entirely different level than he is. |
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 2, 2018 13:58:08 GMT -6
Patterson was fantastic, thought, understanding he kind of dominated the room. I thought Holgo was good, particularly when Oklahoma had the ball for insight into how they call their offense, checks, etc. Dino was funny; Bielema was funny, good natured (handled some ribbing), and had a few good insights.
Fedora got there late but hit his stride during the Bama/Clemson game (which makes sense since he knows Clemson). Applewhite said little which was disappointing since he actually was Saban’s OC for a season so thought he’d have some insight, though it was funny that he looked at it almost as a learning experience and was asking the other coaches questions.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 2, 2018 14:25:40 GMT -6
I thought it was great.
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Post by coachfitz on Jan 2, 2018 15:09:28 GMT -6
Patterson talked circles around those guys What's even crazier is that Saban, Venables, Smart, and Don Brown are on an entirely different level than he is. Don Brown is the odd man out in that group for me. Blitz, Blitz, & Blitz again doesn't get my wheels turning as much |
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 2, 2018 21:17:00 GMT -6
Have to check this out. Hopefully makes its way online.
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Post by Inthesticks on Jan 2, 2018 21:40:16 GMT -6
Caught it late....wish I had known about it ahead of time and been able to watch the whole game with their perspectives, although my wife wasn't a fan and wanted the regular broadcast so you know who won that argument.
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 2, 2018 23:04:05 GMT -6
Patterson talked circles around those guys What's even crazier is that Saban, Venables, Smart, and Don Brown are on an entirely different level than he is. Seems weird to say. Saban is in his own category, but why are the other guys so much better than Patterson? Built TCU into a top winner and coached top level defenses for 20 years? (Plus the 8000 threads on here using his terminology.) |
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 3, 2018 0:48:31 GMT -6
I don't get that channel so hopefully it ends up on YouTube eventually like other years. Agreed, I've rewatched the last few years several times, I think they're fascinating. |
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Jan 3, 2018 1:45:55 GMT -6
I don't get that channel so hopefully it ends up on YouTube eventually like other years. Agreed, I've rewatched the last few years several times, I think they're fascinating. available on ESPN3 www.espn.com/watch/player?id=3244814 |
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Post by **** on Jan 3, 2018 5:42:05 GMT -6
What's even crazier is that Saban, Venables, Smart, and Don Brown are on an entirely different level than he is. Seems weird to say. Saban is in his own category, but why are the other guys so much better than Patterson? Built TCU into a top winner and coached top level defenses for 20 years? (Plus the 8000 threads on here using his terminology.) Schematically speaking they do things similar to what Saban does. Patterson and many others do not. Example: Saban and them will determine how to play shallow crossers by type of coverage (man match, zone match, man). Paterson will not. |
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 3, 2018 6:15:54 GMT -6
I watched the first game on the coaches' channel. Patterson dominated the conversation and sounded like he was mostly giving his scout on Oklahoma's offense, especially early. Bert was good, he should be an analyst if he doesn't land somewhere. Best part was on the last play the TB had taken maybe 2 steps and one of them called it and said he may score.
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Post by **** on Jan 3, 2018 7:37:15 GMT -6
What's even crazier is that Saban, Venables, Smart, and Don Brown are on an entirely different level than he is. Seems weird to say. Saban is in his own category, but why are the other guys so much better than Patterson? Built TCU into a top winner and coached top level defenses for 20 years? (Plus the 8000 threads on here using his terminology.) Should have included this in previous reply but was on my phone... Saban terminology example: Cover 8 Clamp = zone match 2 read (blue)... Cover 7 Clamp = man match 2 read (blue) TCU: Blue = Zone match usually Saban: Box/Nail = man/zone match quarters TCU: 2 read (what TCU calls robber, not what most think of when they see/hear 2 read) = Zone match usually IMO the problem with Patterson and most guys is they do not distinguish between are they playing it as a man match or a zone match. How are they relating to patterns and route combinations. Sometimes they pass off crossers, sometimes they run with them, etc... Saban and those few other guys make a clear defined difference in how the coverage will be played. You could also put Jeremy Pruitt in that conversation. I'm not saying I don't like Patterson because I do. He is pretty good, but he is not on the level of those other guys. IMO Saban and those guys separate themselves when it comes to coverages. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 3, 2018 7:52:18 GMT -6
I assumed the sippy cups had booze in them.
Patterson ate more pizza = he's the best in the room.
Fedora snacked and had his feet up which was hilarious.
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Post by spartandefense on Jan 3, 2018 12:29:32 GMT -6
Patterson talked circles around those guys What's even crazier is that Saban, Venables, Smart, and Don Brown are on an entirely different level than he is. The only different level Saban, Venables, and Smart are on is having WAY better players than Patterson does. Patterson has developed the most elegant and flexible way to call a defense. His language, wristband system, split field / divorced front ability to control the entire field with limited teaching is borderline genius. He also has done way more with less than any of the guys mentioned above. |
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Post by ogre5530 on Jan 3, 2018 12:45:51 GMT -6
I recorded both and watched it on ESPN. I'm looking forward to getting back into them here this week. I've always enjoyed the insights from the college coaches.
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Post by CS on Jan 3, 2018 13:17:42 GMT -6
What's even crazier is that Saban, Venables, Smart, and Don Brown are on an entirely different level than he is. The only different level Saban, Venables, and Smart are on is having WAY better players than Patterson does. Patterson has developed the most elegant and flexible way to call a defense. His language, wristband system, split field / divorced front ability to control the entire field with limited teaching is borderline genius. He also has done way more with less than any of the guys mentioned above. Don Brown did have the #2 defense in the land at Boston College so I would say he could do a lot with a little |
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Post by **** on Jan 3, 2018 13:18:38 GMT -6
What's even crazier is that Saban, Venables, Smart, and Don Brown are on an entirely different level than he is. The only different level Saban, Venables, and Smart are on is having WAY better players than Patterson does. Patterson has developed the most elegant and flexible way to call a defense. His language, wristband system, split field / divorced front ability to control the entire field with limited teaching is borderline genius. He also has done way more with less than any of the guys mentioned above. I'd agree they get better athletes. Patterson is a really good college coach. Saban and them are schematically on an NFL level though. |
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Post by CoachPut on Jan 3, 2018 13:26:16 GMT -6
I loved it. My non coaching friends are tough to watch football with (several didn't even play in high school). Was glad to listen to commentary other than the two guys in the booth all night. Their view of the game is one that a young coach like me loves to listen to.
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Post by spartandefense on Jan 3, 2018 14:38:41 GMT -6
The only different level Saban, Venables, and Smart are on is having WAY better players than Patterson does. Patterson has developed the most elegant and flexible way to call a defense. His language, wristband system, split field / divorced front ability to control the entire field with limited teaching is borderline genius. He also has done way more with less than any of the guys mentioned above. I'd agree they get better athletes. Patterson is a really good college coach. Saban and them are schematically on an NFL level though. Maybe I was watching a different game than you. Here is what i saw in the Rose Bowl. Kirby Smart comes out in the 3-4 runs all sorts of coverages, fronts, looks (very NFLish and half the time they weren't gap sound). GETS TORCHED way worse than TCU did in their 2 games in a half of football. Second Half adjustment: 4-2 Box / Man Free with some 3 match thrown in. Which is code for "my guys are better than yours." 3rd Qtr they completely shut down OU. That isn't NFL scheming and no it wasn't because they have some crosser matchup scheme that Patterson isn't aware of. |
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Post by joelee on Jan 3, 2018 14:57:21 GMT -6
I'd agree they get better athletes. Patterson is a really good college coach. Saban and them are schematically on an NFL level though. Maybe I was watching a different game than you. Here is what i saw in the Rose Bowl. Kirby Smart comes out in the 3-4 runs all sorts of coverages, fronts, looks (very NFLish and half the time they weren't gap sound). GETS TORCHED way worse than TCU did in their 2 games in a half of football. Second Half adjustment: 4-2 Box / Man Free with some 3 match thrown in. Which is code for "my guys are better than yours." 3rd Qtr they completely shut down OU. That isn't NFL scheming and no it wasn't because they have some crosser matchup scheme that Patterson isn't aware of. I agree. Complex doesn't equal better. Patterson created something. The guys that copy NFL stuff aren't smarter in many cases they are good at copying. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm a copycat. Using the argument that Belichick, Venables, and Brown are better because they are very complicated copycats is not the right way to do justice to how good of coaches they are and why they are good. They are good because they are great teachers, they understand what they are looking at quickly, and they conter move quickly. |
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Post by newt21 on Jan 3, 2018 15:06:15 GMT -6
I guess I'm the only one that didn't like it very much. Granted it could've been the 2 year old crawling all over me while trying to watch it, but I had trouble figuring out who was talking half the time, and the other half it was tough to see what was going on in the play because there were so many screens (took my tv size down 30%).
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Post by **** on Jan 3, 2018 17:39:57 GMT -6
Maybe I was watching a different game than you. Here is what i saw in the Rose Bowl. Kirby Smart comes out in the 3-4 runs all sorts of coverages, fronts, looks (very NFLish and half the time they weren't gap sound). GETS TORCHED way worse than TCU did in their 2 games in a half of football. Second Half adjustment: 4-2 Box / Man Free with some 3 match thrown in. Which is code for "my guys are better than yours." 3rd Qtr they completely shut down OU. That isn't NFL scheming and no it wasn't because they have some crosser matchup scheme that Patterson isn't aware of. I agree. Complex doesn't equal better. Patterson created something. The guys that copy NFL stuff aren't smarter in many cases they are good at copying. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm a copycat. Using the argument that Belichick, Venables, and Brown are better because they are very complicated copycats is not the right way to do justice to how good of coaches they are and why they are good. They are good because they are great teachers, they understand what they are looking at quickly, and they conter move quickly. Patterson is a copycat like you, me, and every other coach. What he does is good. He is a good college coach. Who said what Saban/Smart/Venables/etc are doing is complex or complicated? |
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Post by **** on Jan 3, 2018 18:09:17 GMT -6
I'd agree they get better athletes. Patterson is a really good college coach. Saban and them are schematically on an NFL level though. Maybe I was watching a different game than you. Here is what i saw in the Rose Bowl. Kirby Smart comes out in the 3-4 runs all sorts of coverages, fronts, looks (very NFLish and half the time they weren't gap sound). GETS TORCHED way worse than TCU did in their 2 games in a half of football. Second Half adjustment: 4-2 Box / Man Free with some 3 match thrown in. Which is code for "my guys are better than yours." 3rd Qtr they completely shut down OU. That isn't NFL scheming and no it wasn't because they have some crosser matchup scheme that Patterson isn't aware of. That is one way to look at it. |
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