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Post by natenator on Jan 4, 2018 13:48:45 GMT -6
Film room was cool but I was very disappointed in the discussion on tackling and 2 of them saying they were old school and still preferred head across tackling.
Very irresponsible in today's climate.
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 4, 2018 16:38:35 GMT -6
There may be a couple too many voices in the room with 6. Maybe drop Fedora and the moderator and let Applewhite be the moderator for the other 4.
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Post by coachfitz on Jan 4, 2018 17:21:27 GMT -6
Film room was cool but I was very disappointed in the discussion on tackling and 2 of them saying they were old school and still preferred head across tackling. Very irresponsible in today's climate. Agree with this. Babers came off weird there. Patterson was just kinda "uh-uh"-ing it, and mentioned tackling legs, but didn't elaborate.
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Post by coachklee on Jan 4, 2018 17:57:37 GMT -6
There may be a couple too many voices in the room with 6. Maybe drop Fedora and the moderator and let Applewhite be the moderator for the other 4. I do agree that the ESPN moderator is likely unnecessary...I’m sure they all have ear pieces in. All they need is a producer telling them when to go to commercial break and/or re-roll a specific play.
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Post by joelee on Jan 5, 2018 9:24:06 GMT -6
I'd agree they get better athletes. Patterson is a really good college coach. Saban and them are schematically on an NFL level though. Maybe I was watching a different game than you. Here is what i saw in the Rose Bowl. Kirby Smart comes out in the 3-4 runs all sorts of coverages, fronts, looks (very NFLish and half the time they weren't gap sound). GETS TORCHED way worse than TCU did in their 2 games in a half of football. Second Half adjustment: 4-2 Box / Man Free with some 3 match thrown in. Which is code for "my guys are better than yours." 3rd Qtr they completely shut down OU. That isn't NFL scheming and no it wasn't because they have some crosser matchup scheme that Patterson isn't aware of. The thing that was puzzling to me is why did man free stump them for 4 drives in a row? They had seen it with the same type personnel from Ohio state earlier in the year.
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Post by coacht on Jan 5, 2018 10:53:58 GMT -6
The thing that was puzzling to me is why did man free stump them for 4 drives in a row? They had seen it with the same type personnel from Ohio state earlier in the year. I felt like they struggled the first drive or two after GA made their changes. Then OU tried to get too cute. Running the reverse on a 1st down, etc.
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Post by **** on Jan 5, 2018 11:09:56 GMT -6
Maybe I was watching a different game than you. Here is what i saw in the Rose Bowl. Kirby Smart comes out in the 3-4 runs all sorts of coverages, fronts, looks (very NFLish and half the time they weren't gap sound). GETS TORCHED way worse than TCU did in their 2 games in a half of football. Second Half adjustment: 4-2 Box / Man Free with some 3 match thrown in. Which is code for "my guys are better than yours." 3rd Qtr they completely shut down OU. That isn't NFL scheming and no it wasn't because they have some crosser matchup scheme that Patterson isn't aware of. The thing that was puzzling to me is why did man free stump them for 4 drives in a row? They had seen it with the same type personnel from Ohio state earlier in the year. It was probably puzzling because Georgia only used man free rat twice in the first 4 drives of the second half. The third 1st down of the third drive and the 3rd down that was an INT on the fourth drive.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 5, 2018 11:24:18 GMT -6
You might know more about their defenses then me. Maybe. Maybe? You can answer their defensive questions from now on. Petty. And I didn't realize your coaching position on this board was "Saban defensive question coordinator" or that I was in the running for that position. No one is doubting that you know your stuff or that you are a quality coach. Heck, I have learned stuff from you and I am appreciative of it. You have flat out convinced on how to teach LB keys and reads. I will repost the sentences that prompted your response. "I know them enough. Not professing to be a guru. You might know more about their defenses then me. Maybe. Just a few threads over about rip/liz I tried to point out and included Saban video and an exact time in that video that refuted what you were saying about it." Again, not professing a be a Saban or Patterson guru. I will retract the Maybe. The "maybe" only was written because of that one minor issue on the rip/liz. I am not perfect and neither are you and newsflash, neither is Saban. I bet Saban would get something a little off on some detail of his own system when asked a million questions. Of course he would have the ability to correct it. I mean someone might ask, coach, is he inside or outside leverage here and he misspeaks. That is everyone and called being human. I won't back down on my basic knowledge of the systems and that they are not on such different levels that Saban has a "decided schematic advantage" because it is my belief that among top level coaches that just does not exist. And that players, recruiting, strength and conditioning, teaching, practice organization, facilities, money, tradition, execution are much more important than schemes anyways.
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Post by **** on Jan 5, 2018 12:46:41 GMT -6
Maybe? You can answer their defensive questions from now on. Petty. And I didn't realize your coaching position on this board was "Saban defensive question coordinator" or that I was in the running for that position. No one is doubting that you know your stuff or that you are a quality coach. Heck, I have learned stuff from you and I am appreciative of it. You have flat out convinced on how to teach LB keys and reads. I will repost the sentences that prompted your response. "I know them enough. Not professing to be a guru. You might know more about their defenses then me. Maybe. Just a few threads over about rip/liz I tried to point out and included Saban video and an exact time in that video that refuted what you were saying about it." Again, not professing a be a Saban or Patterson guru. I will retract the Maybe. The "maybe" only was written because of that one minor issue on the rip/liz. I am not perfect and neither are you and newsflash, neither is Saban. I bet Saban would get something a little off on some detail of his own system when asked a million questions. Of course he would have the ability to correct it. I mean someone might ask, coach, is he inside or outside leverage here and he misspeaks. That is everyone and called being human. I won't back down on my basic knowledge of the systems and that they are not on such different levels that Saban has a "decided schematic advantage" because it is my belief that among top level coaches that just does not exist. And that players, recruiting, strength and conditioning, teaching, practice organization, facilities, money, tradition, execution are much more important than schemes anyways. This was fun.
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Post by CoachPut on Jan 5, 2018 15:25:25 GMT -6
Mike Bobo, Pat Fitzgerald, and Kevin Sumlin will be in the ESPN film room Monday night. More names to come during the weekend.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Jan 5, 2018 15:45:32 GMT -6
Mike Bobo, Pat Fitzgerald, and Kevin Sumlin will be in the ESPN film room Monday night. More names to come during the weekend. I want Lane Kiffin
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Jan 8, 2018 11:43:42 GMT -6
I'd like to see a Pro coach or two, just to get there perspective on evaluating players, and a compare and contrast of the college and pro game. Pete Carroll and Bill O'Brien would be interesting since they have recently been at both levels...
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 8, 2018 11:50:32 GMT -6
A pro guy would be good, but not sure how much prep they would have done. Maybe even a scout/GM type who has spent a lot of time on the teams and really knows the personnel. Patterson was good in the Rose Bowl since he'd played Oklahoma twice this season and had faced Georgia in the bowl game the year before, so he had a lot of familiarity.
Would like someone who knows Saban/Smart's defense. Muschamp wasn't bad a couple of years ago. (Lane would obviously be hilarious.)
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 8, 2018 13:42:48 GMT -6
If the Lane Train showed up it would be awesome.
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 8, 2018 18:48:43 GMT -6
If the Lane Train showed up it would be awesome. I'm hoping for some kind of WWE style surprise entrance...
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Post by coachklee on Jan 8, 2018 19:11:13 GMT -6
Looking forward to Fitz & Cutcliffe...although they’d be more interesting in a “How to build a program from nothing” clinic talk. They get more out of their dudes than any other D1 HCs out there right now.
I know NU was 11th out of 14 in their most recruiting class rank, but the worst that Fitz has done is a 5-7...good to see NU understand he might be the best they could ever get & keep him around!
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 8, 2018 20:41:22 GMT -6
If the Lane Train showed up it would be awesome. I'm hoping for some kind of WWE style surprise entrance... Bah Gawd that's Lane Kiffin's music!
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 9, 2018 9:23:29 GMT -6
I thought the Coaches Room was much better than I expected, especially Cutcliffe, Fitzgerald and Gundy, though everybody was pretty good actually. Matt Luke was funny since he used to coach OLine for Cutcliffe, could tell he sometimes deferred to him like he was still the HC. Also Cutcliffe blowing up kids for effort was amazing.
Big thing was after some scheme heavy coaches rooms I thought they did a really good job with head coach/situational football stuff, and some of the sidebars were golden.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 9, 2018 10:10:01 GMT -6
Gary Patterson was excellent. Seems like he has a great sense of humor. They all showed unique and funny human personalities you can’t see from watching them coach or even in interviews. What really stood out was how much they talked about specific players not so much concept and strategy (they talked a bit about it but way less than I anticipated). “Players not plays” I think a lot of that may have to do with the fact that just like the rest of us watching live on TV, they don't really know what the hell is going on either despite being top level coaches. Not sure how much prep time they put into it It seemed to me that Cut and Fitzgerald planned for this game (Natty)
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Post by newt21 on Jan 9, 2018 10:29:07 GMT -6
I thought the Coaches Room was much better than I expected, especially Cutcliffe, Fitzgerald and Gundy, though everybody was pretty good actually. Matt Luke was funny since he used to coach OLine for Cutcliffe, could tell he sometimes deferred to him like he was still the HC. Also Cutcliffe blowing up kids for effort was amazing. Big thing was after some scheme heavy coaches rooms I thought they did a really good job with head coach/situational football stuff, and some of the sidebars were golden. Loved Cutcliffe's remarks about effort, I also enjoyed it much more this time than last time. Seemed like whenever Cutcliffe talked the other guys stopped immediately to listen, they all clearly had a deep respect for him.
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Post by junior6589 on Jan 9, 2018 10:35:30 GMT -6
I enjoyed this group more than the group for the semis. Each brought something unique to the table and had good insight. Cutliffe was great.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 9, 2018 11:04:02 GMT -6
It would have been interesting to see Cutcliffe and Patterson together..I bet Patterson would have been more deferential
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 9, 2018 21:21:28 GMT -6
Loved both sets of rooms for different reasons. My all star cast for this year would be: Patterson, Beleima, Cutcliffe, Holgerson, Sumlin, and Mullet....I mean Gundy.
I really enjoyed listening to Patterson talk scheme last week and Cutcliffe blow up that player on punt coverage.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jan 9, 2018 23:40:47 GMT -6
Cutcliffe was exceptional. I’d want my son to play for him. All the other guys were great as well.
Side note - I lament the fact they can’t have a coaches panel break down an all-22 shot of every game. I don’t need to see close ups of the coach yelling or QB calling the cadence and hear “RPO” every time the QB waves the ball.
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 10, 2018 9:12:28 GMT -6
Best part about Cutcliffe is he actually was pretty surly -- calling out effort, questioning Alabama's playcalling, ripping Georgia's coverage players/coaches on the final play, etc -- but he's such a nice, genteel fellow you don't even mind it. He was probably one of the most critical coaches they have ever had on there, but it totally didn't seem like it. (That's also part of good coaching: how to critique without insulting; it's more like just disappointing your Dad.)
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 10, 2018 11:54:19 GMT -6
Best part about Cutcliffe is he actually was pretty surly -- calling out effort, questioning Alabama's playcalling, ripping Georgia's coverage players/coaches on the final play, etc -- but he's such a nice, genteel fellow you don't even mind it. He was probably one of the most critical coaches they have ever had on there, but it totally didn't seem like it. (That's also part of good coaching: how to critique without insulting; it's more like just disappointing your Dad.) One of my former players is a coach for him..loves him
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 10, 2018 12:37:34 GMT -6
Best part about Cutcliffe is he actually was pretty surly -- calling out effort, questioning Alabama's playcalling, ripping Georgia's coverage players/coaches on the final play, etc -- but he's such a nice, genteel fellow you don't even mind it. He was probably one of the most critical coaches they have ever had on there, but it totally didn't seem like it. (That's also part of good coaching: how to critique without insulting; it's more like just disappointing your Dad.) That's exactly what I was thinking. He seemed to have the respect and admiration of the other coaches in the room too.
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Post by CS on Jan 11, 2018 11:19:19 GMT -6
Best part about Cutcliffe is he actually was pretty surly -- calling out effort, questioning Alabama's playcalling, ripping Georgia's coverage players/coaches on the final play, etc -- but he's such a nice, genteel fellow you don't even mind it. He was probably one of the most critical coaches they have ever had on there, but it totally didn't seem like it. (That's also part of good coaching: how to critique without insulting; it's more like just disappointing your Dad.) That's exactly what I was thinking. He seemed to have the respect and admiration of the other coaches in the room too. I wish that he would have told Gundy to get a hair due from this century. There is no way if I had him sitting across from me offering me a scholly, that I would go play for Joe Dirt.
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Post by pistola on Jan 11, 2018 11:39:19 GMT -6
Gundy seems to be doing alright!
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Post by Defcord on Jan 11, 2018 11:50:53 GMT -6
That's exactly what I was thinking. He seemed to have the respect and admiration of the other coaches in the room too. I wish that he would have told Gundy to get a hair due from this century. There is no way if I had him sitting across from me offering me a scholly, that I would go play for Joe Dirt. Might depend on who your other offers were from...
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