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Post by dytmook on Apr 20, 2017 15:31:05 GMT -6
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 20, 2017 16:19:11 GMT -6
Wow.
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Post by coachthomason on Apr 20, 2017 17:09:08 GMT -6
That's f-----!! Never heard of something like that happening. As stated above, "Wow."
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 20, 2017 19:57:37 GMT -6
What was the incentive for allegedly throwing the game?
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Post by jlenwood on Apr 20, 2017 20:25:26 GMT -6
What was the incentive for allegedly throwing the game? Instead of just one school in the district making the playoffs, 2 would and possibly there would be a home game making the district some $$$$.
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Post by s73 on Apr 20, 2017 20:34:51 GMT -6
What was the incentive for allegedly throwing the game? Instead of just one school in the district making the playoffs, 2 would and possibly there would be a home game making the district some $$$$. I found a 2nd article that says what you said above. It also mentions Mark baker who is the DPS AD (for the district) who told Dunbar at half to throw the game so both could make the play offs. Then the first school would not have to report the ineligible player.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 20, 2017 21:13:10 GMT -6
Wouldn't they have to forfeit the week nine win anyway?
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 20, 2017 21:20:42 GMT -6
Instead of just one school in the district making the playoffs, 2 would and possibly there would be a home game making the district some $$$$. I found a 2nd article that says what you said above. It also mentions Mark baker who is the DPS AD (for the district) who told Dunbar at half to throw the game so both could make the play offs. Then the first school would not have to report the ineligible player. I had the same initial thought for a reason, but wouldn't the team that Dunbar "beat" (on the field) and then had to forfeit to still get the credit for the win even if it were by forfeit?
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Post by s73 on Apr 21, 2017 5:49:41 GMT -6
According to the article I read the forfeit by Dunbar due to the ineligible player (they had to forfeit previous game as well) changed the point structure of the play off system & cost the other team a spot based on points.
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Post by jlenwood on Apr 21, 2017 6:48:04 GMT -6
I found a 2nd article that says what you said above. It also mentions Mark baker who is the DPS AD (for the district) who told Dunbar at half to throw the game so both could make the play offs. Then the first school would not have to report the ineligible player. I had the same initial thought for a reason, but wouldn't the team that Dunbar "beat" (on the field) and then had to forfeit to still get the credit for the win even if it were by forfeit? There were teams as far away as Cincinnati that it threw out of the playoffs. Teams that thought they made the playoffs were then told after the fact, and after the teams and schools had celebrated making the playoffs, that they were in fact not going. Just a cluster ***k all the way around.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Apr 21, 2017 6:49:31 GMT -6
What a mess
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 21, 2017 8:08:08 GMT -6
I feel like each state's playoff system should be determined by people from out of state who don't like football so their only motivation is that it makes sense.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 21, 2017 8:50:59 GMT -6
What was the incentive for allegedly throwing the game? I used to coach at a place where the locals bet their entire weekly paycheck on our games. Point spreads and everything.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 21, 2017 8:53:57 GMT -6
I had the same initial thought for a reason, but wouldn't the team that Dunbar "beat" (on the field) and then had to forfeit to still get the credit for the win even if it were by forfeit? There were teams as far away as Cincinnati that it threw out of the playoffs. Teams that thought they made the playoffs were then told after the fact, and after the teams and schools had celebrated making the playoffs, that they were in fact not going. Just a cluster ***k all the way around. But that is because they played an ineligible player and had to forfeit that game (and others). I am assuming then that by throwing the game, they would not have reported the ineligible player? Is that the assumption being made?
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Post by jlenwood on Apr 21, 2017 9:36:21 GMT -6
There were teams as far away as Cincinnati that it threw out of the playoffs. Teams that thought they made the playoffs were then told after the fact, and after the teams and schools had celebrated making the playoffs, that they were in fact not going. Just a cluster ***k all the way around. But that is because they played an ineligible player and had to forfeit that game (and others). I am assuming then that by throwing the game, they would not have reported the ineligible player? Is that the assumption being made? I think that's the cause. Video
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 21, 2017 9:46:18 GMT -6
But that is because they played an ineligible player and had to forfeit that game (and others). I am assuming then that by throwing the game, they would not have reported the ineligible player? Is that the assumption being made? I think that's the cause. VideoSorry, can't view it. I have asked about it multiple times here, but whenever I click on a link here on huey, it opens another tab but in the address window it just says "about :blank" I can't copy and paste like I usually do because you titled it "video" so copying and pasting just puts "video" in the address bar of the new open tab Edit...when I but it in bbcode I was able to cut and paste... BUT does ANYONE...I MEAN ANYONE have a clue why I havent been able to click on a link the past few years?
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2017 9:48:41 GMT -6
What was the incentive for allegedly throwing the game? I used to coach at a place where the locals bet their entire weekly paycheck on our games. Point spreads and everything. I've been at places where some fans seemed particularly distraught or thrilled after a game and we knew why. At one school the Sunday staff meetings were in a trailer outside of the school until somebody fired shots nearby after a big loss.
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Post by jlenwood on Apr 21, 2017 10:20:29 GMT -6
I think that's the cause. VideoSorry, can't view it. I have asked about it multiple times here, but whenever I click on a link here on huey, it opens another tab but in the address window it just says "about :blank" I can't copy and paste like I usually do because you titled it "video" so copying and pasting just puts "video" in the address bar of the new open tab Edit...when I but it in bbcode I was able to cut and paste... BUT does ANYONE...I MEAN ANYONE have a clue why I havent been able to click on a link the past few years? Don't ask me..I'm just happy I figured out how to do it! Do a google search for "Dayton Dunbar football video"
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Post by coachddwebb on Apr 21, 2017 11:02:15 GMT -6
Can someone tell me why didn't they just sit the kid for the whole game once they heard he was ineligible?
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2017 11:11:54 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 21, 2017 11:24:57 GMT -6
Can someone tell me why didn't they just sit the kid for the whole game once they heard he was ineligible? According to the articles, it seems some school and also some district level administrators told the coaches he was indeed eligible, then later in the game came back and said "No, we were wrong" Piecing this together, it seems that those Admins, particularly the district level AD realized the player was ineligible, but did not want their oversight to come out. They tried to get Dunbar to throw the game, so that Belmont (another in district school) would win and not have to officially protest the game, which had far wider ramifications. Those ramifications included the Admins mistake, as well as forfeiture of a second (week 9) game which apparently changed the playoff landscape a significant amount. So from the District level AD's perspective, if Dunbar lost the game, it was a win-win. Without the forfeit but with a Dunbar loss, both Dunbar and Belmont still got into the playoffs and nobody had to know about the ineligible player and his screw up.
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Post by newhope on Apr 21, 2017 11:34:58 GMT -6
From what I've read, the County AD didn't seem to realize they'd also forfeit the previous game. EVERYBODY involved in this should have been terminated on the spot. Any coach who would go along with this needs to go, the AD who allowed his coaches to do it needs to go, and no doubt the guy whose idea it was needs to go.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 21, 2017 12:15:33 GMT -6
That has to be the 2 weirdest plays I've ever seen. It almost looks as if Dunbar was mocking their obviously less talented opponent.
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2017 12:24:46 GMT -6
That has to be the 2 weirdest plays I've ever seen. It almost looks as if Dunbar was mocking their obviously less talented opponent. i took it as mocking the instructions to throw the game.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 21, 2017 12:26:51 GMT -6
That has to be the 2 weirdest plays I've ever seen. It almost looks as if Dunbar was mocking their obviously less talented opponent. i took it as mocking the instructions to throw the game. Yes that would be the case now that we know what happened. But if you're up there watching the game in the stands and you see two consecutive turnovers done on purpose and then a 50 yard pass, Is see that as mocking the opponent.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 21, 2017 19:49:11 GMT -6
Can anyone work this into a lesson plan as an example of perverse incentives?
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Post by Party@QB on Apr 21, 2017 21:11:29 GMT -6
; So from the District level AD's perspective, if Dunbar lost the game, it was a win-win. Without the forfeit but with a Dunbar loss, both Dunbar and Belmont still got into the playoffs and nobody had to know about the ineligible player and his screw up. To say it did not work out as planned is a huge understatement.
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2017 21:42:01 GMT -6
He phuked up. During the first half he realized that the kid was ineligible (How do you screw that up?) He tried to cover it up by telling them to throw the game but didn't tell them until they were on the field right before the second half. The kids, understandably, didn't take it well.
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Post by Party@QB on Apr 22, 2017 7:54:37 GMT -6
I'm having a hard time sympathizing with the HC who agreed to do this. Even if the AD said to, it just seems like a really really bad idea, not to mention how it affects the players.
Anybody think of the reasoning that you would ever throw a game?
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Post by coachjps on Apr 22, 2017 8:08:05 GMT -6
I agree, that is garbage, I agree that everyone involved should be fired. Such a disgrace.
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