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Post by Party@QB on Jun 4, 2016 2:34:00 GMT -6
Many times I believe the grass is greener everywhere else. What is the worst part of where you currently work? It can be the coaching, teaching or administrative side of your job.
This is your chance to vent, and maybe once we see what others deal with our job won't seem quite as bad. Feel free to list more than 1.
For me it's other teachers and their lack of consistency with the students, school rules etc. really pisses me off that they expect their students to do EVERYTHING they command, but they refuse to do what's expected of them as a teacher.
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Post by Defcord on Jun 4, 2016 4:49:33 GMT -6
Grading papers...my current job is pretty easy. A few years ago i complained about a lot more.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 4, 2016 5:50:33 GMT -6
In Michigan students are currently required to take two years of a language other than English before they can graduate. As such, I get a wide variety of kids. I get your great kids, and then I get kids who are nothing more than a waste of tax dollars. They don't care about school, sit in my room taking up space, are a constant disruption, and don't do any assignments. They are a holes in their other classes (less so for me because i am good with those kids) so they are suspended all of the time.
The worst part is having to gather all of the work they're going to miss when they're suspended yet again.
I have one kid who has been suspended 5 times this semester for vaping in the school. His mom wants to know if he has a chance of passing. "Well, your kid is a loser, has been suspended more than he has been here, and hasn't done more than 2 assignments all semester, so I'll say yeah, probably has a great shot of passing."
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Post by blb on Jun 4, 2016 6:01:47 GMT -6
In Michigan students are currently required to take two years of a language other than English before they can graduate. As such, I get a wide variety of kids. I get your great kids, and then I get kids who are nothing more than a waste of tax dollars. They don't care about school, sit in my room taking up space, are a constant disruption, and don't do any assignments. They are a holes in their other classes (less so for me because i am good with those kids) so they are suspended all of the time. The worst part is having to gather all of the work they're going to miss when they're suspended yet again. I have one kid who has been suspended 5 times this semester for vaping in the school. His mom wants to know if he has a chance of passing. "Well, your kid is a loser, has been suspended more than he has been here, and hasn't done more than 2 assignments all semester, so I'll say yeah, probably has a great shot of passing."
He'll be able to take "Credit Recovery" on-line class after school's out or next Fall during school day so, yes, he'll pass.
Not even have to go to traditional Summer School.
Don't think kids don't know that either.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 4, 2016 6:13:36 GMT -6
In Michigan students are currently required to take two years of a language other than English before they can graduate. As such, I get a wide variety of kids. I get your great kids, and then I get kids who are nothing more than a waste of tax dollars. They don't care about school, sit in my room taking up space, are a constant disruption, and don't do any assignments. They are a holes in their other classes (less so for me because i am good with those kids) so they are suspended all of the time. The worst part is having to gather all of the work they're going to miss when they're suspended yet again. I have one kid who has been suspended 5 times this semester for vaping in the school. His mom wants to know if he has a chance of passing. "Well, your kid is a loser, has been suspended more than he has been here, and hasn't done more than 2 assignments all semester, so I'll say yeah, probably has a great shot of passing."
He'll be able to take "Credit Recovery" on-line class after school's out or next Fall during school day so, yes, he'll pass.
Not even have to go to traditional Summer School.
Don't think kids don't know that either.
They're also allowed to take a tech class to fulfill their second year requirement. They actually don't know that, but I wish they did. The issue is that if they go that route then they won't meet university entry requirements. If they aren't university kids, which most of them aren't, that is a great option for them. They don't make me miserable, they get useful training for their futures potentially, and I don't kill their GPA.
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 4, 2016 6:20:31 GMT -6
Then put the idea out there. I tell the kids they have me for every social studies class there is unless they take dual credit.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 4, 2016 6:29:14 GMT -6
Then put the idea out there. I tell the kids they have me for every social studies class there is unless they take dual credit. The problem is that I don't want to have my class numbers drop off either. I am not the lowest hanging fruit, but I am close to it. The Michigan legislature does have a bill that will eliminate the requirement. I'm a bit concerned about that too. I'm not complaining about my trouble kids. They're generally pretty good for me. I see them in some of their other classes and they are way worse.
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 4, 2016 6:38:48 GMT -6
my class hardly shrinks, few kids take dc classes, but we are a very small school, I have learned a long time ago that if you worry it only gets worse. if your getting kids in your class and they are trying then you are doing good and that is the ticket
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Post by blb on Jun 4, 2016 6:47:31 GMT -6
freeze, what are "dc classes"?
FYI rsmith teaches in a school of 2700 kids.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 4, 2016 7:15:24 GMT -6
A lack of foresight is the #1 issue with my job. People make emotional decisions without planning, and two days later / after parent complaints, reverse those emotional decisions. If it was up to me you plan for a few hours, decide, then stick to it. However I'm just the dean, not the Principal/AP, so what do I know. Guess who has to call with the emotional decision? ME. Guess who has to call with the reversal? ME. Guess who takes all the parent complaints either way? ME. Guess who makes three times as much- THEM.
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Post by blb on Jun 4, 2016 7:23:18 GMT -6
A lack of foresight is the #1 issue with my job. People make emotional decisions without planning, and two days later / after parent complaints, reverse those emotional decisions. If it was up to me you plan for a few hours, decide, then stick to it. However I'm just the dean, not the Principal/AP, so what do I know. Guess who has to call with the emotional decision? ME. Guess who has to call with the reversal? ME. Guess who takes all the parent complaints either way? ME. Guess who makes three times as much- THEM.
That's why I never wanted to go into administration.
90% of the day is spent dealing with negatives.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jun 4, 2016 7:32:08 GMT -6
This may sound bad, but the number 1 issue with my job this just completed school year was boredom. I had an insanely low number of kids--6--on my SPED roster and, this is good, but none of them were even discipline problems. Now, for the 16-17 school year, but SPED roster nearly triples plus due to cuts in the Language Arts department, I'm picking up a couple sections of a Reading Improvement class. Looking forward to the opportunity!
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Post by **** on Jun 4, 2016 8:15:35 GMT -6
Being shared staff with the HS and MS.
Teaching middle school math is miserable.
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Post by the1mitch on Jun 4, 2016 9:17:35 GMT -6
Without a doubt the worst for me is the "latest new wonder cure method" phenomena. I've worked thru TET, Project Teach,ITIP, 5 Step writing, Learning across the Curriculum, No Child Left untested,Data Dashboard, Electronic gradebook, Common Core, National Certification,and the list goes on and on. Give me a room and a teaching assignment, let me do my job! Administrators are like Hemorrhoids, even a short visit is no fun. Don't get me wrong, I'll stack my students learning against my colleagues students any day. How about this for educational reform? Go back to a national standard test like the IOWA or whatever and test kids every other year at most. Next set hard standards for what a third grader and 8th graders need to know and hold kids back who can't do what they need to do to succeed in HS! With the money saved by ending endless testing we could easily hire more teachers at the bottleneck levels. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Post by fantom on Jun 4, 2016 9:40:00 GMT -6
I'll start by saying that I'm retired from teaching so what I'm going to say is strictly about coaching and the athletic environment,
The infrastructure at our school stinks. Right now, and for about a week, most of the wall sockets in the football office don't work. That's happened before. At other times there was no electricity in our walk-in closet (for about a year) and bathroom (A bathroom with no lights or windows made for more of a cleanup problem for the custodians).
None of the showers work. In fact, the shower room has been used for storage for years. The shower in the coaches' office looks like a giant petri dish.
The air conditioning in the office is on a timer/sensor and it's defective. We joke that if the AC kicks on the weather must be cooling off. There are no windows. The school AC is in a timer and automatically shuts down after 3:00 and on weekends which makes for a lovely environment in the lockers and weight room.
Speaking of locker rooms the varsity locker room is crowded, which can't be helped. There are no windows so there's no ventilation since they patched up the hole in the wall. The JV locker room is worse. It's separate, on the other side of the gym, so supervision is difficult. It smells like a goat pen.
This is not a stand-alone field house. It's in the school building. Our school is not a tiny private school, rural, or in a decaying inner city so I can't understand why it's such a mess.
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Post by coachklee on Jun 4, 2016 10:15:50 GMT -6
Holy {censored} dude! You were in 'Nam & still surviving as a teacher...you must be 1 tough S.O.B.!!!
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Post by coachklee on Jun 4, 2016 10:24:42 GMT -6
Without a doubt the worst for me is the "latest new wonder cure method" phenomena. I've worked thru TET, Project Teach,ITIP, 5 Step writing, Learning across the Curriculum, No Child Left untested,Data Dashboard, Electronic gradebook, Common Core, National Certification,and the list goes on and on. Give me a room and a teaching assignment, let me do my job! Administrators are like Hemorrhoids, even a short visit is no fun. Don't get me wrong, I'll stack my students learning against my colleagues students any day. How about this for educational reform? Go back to a national standard test like the IOWA or whatever and test kids every other year at most. Next set hard standards for what a third grader and 8th graders need to know and hold kids back who can't do what they need to do to succeed in HS! With the money saved by ending endless testing we could easily hire more teachers at the bottleneck levels. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! I do firmly agree that public school students are over tested from a standardized level & that the system would benefit from a few non-negotiable minimum standards at certain junctures (2nd or 3rd grade, 5th or 6th, 8th or 9th) that either require a repeat or determine a "track" going forward from that point. The one downside to the overly optimistic educational system & equal opportunity culture that would be hard to overcome & actually do this in America because everyone is still supposed to be given an equal opportunity even though they've had 1 or 2 or 3 or more already.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 4, 2016 10:35:50 GMT -6
A lack of foresight is the #1 issue with my job. People make emotional decisions without planning, and two days later / after parent complaints, reverse those emotional decisions. If it was up to me you plan for a few hours, decide, then stick to it. However I'm just the dean, not the Principal/AP, so what do I know. Guess who has to call with the emotional decision? ME. Guess who has to call with the reversal? ME. Guess who takes all the parent complaints either way? ME. Guess who makes three times as much- THEM.
That's why I never wanted to go into administration.
90% of the day is spent dealing with negatives.
You know- I say the same thing every day. I ask to be able to do fun stuff like be the college & careers guy or something and lose some dean's roles (lunch duty whatever) and they say no. I came up with some pos programs, got shot down or got to do them 1 time and then shot down. NFL = No Fun Left.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Jun 4, 2016 12:41:34 GMT -6
Where do I begin? I will first agree with Party@QB that when no one in your building enforces anything, it makes it very difficult on you to instill discipline because it is a double standard and you're always the jerk. I think mine starts at the top with our super. They are eliminating phys ed throughout the district. I am down to 2 weight classes next year when everyone else in our conference is in there all day. This means I'll be back in the classroom. I DO NOT want to do that. I don't mind the material, but I despise lesson planning and can't stand teaching the stuff to a bunch of kids who don't care. That's why I like PE because you just have them work and/or play games. For the most part they enjoy that. My school is afraid of lifting weights. All sports. It has largely scared our athlete base. Kids won't come out to play because they are convinced they'll get hurt, not necessarily playing the game but in the weight room (of course not true, there has been no such thing happen). This is perpetuated by a former HC who wants to run all the S&C stuff. Our super granted it to him and paid him 4-5k more to do it, which again typically goes to the HC around here. It severely limited my access to the weight room this summer. I was informed of none of this, just told it was done. Well that's a start. I like this thread and hope it can help me feel better about things. However I have this feeling if I were to ask for people's advice on here and say what do I do they'd say get the hell out (which is what the few sane people here have told me). I would but it's not that simple because I can't move.
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Post by chi5hi on Jun 4, 2016 12:41:35 GMT -6
The worst part is that I don't get paid by the hour.
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 4, 2016 13:01:55 GMT -6
freeze, what are "dc classes"? FYI rsmith teaches in a school of 2700 kids. dual credit, our school offers college classes that are taken on line, our school pays the students tuition which is about 300 a class, we've had students graduate from here with 15 or more college credits which puts them ahead, they have to have a act score of 22 to take them
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 4, 2016 13:07:13 GMT -6
The worst part about my last job was NOT building a top national program on the smallest budget in the country, but that central admin felt that our success on a shoestring was justification for not giving us any money, since clearly we could do without.
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Post by Party@QB on Jun 4, 2016 13:23:34 GMT -6
The worst part is that I don't get paid by the hour. You could say you get paid by the hour, but it comes up to like 10 cents an hour hahaha
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Post by fantom on Jun 4, 2016 13:36:50 GMT -6
Many times I believe the grass is greener everywhere else. What is the worst part of where you currently work? It can be the coaching, teaching or administrative side of your job. This is your chance to vent, and maybe once we see what others deal with our job won't seem quite as bad. Feel free to list more than 1. For me it's other teachers and their lack of consistency with the students, school rules etc. really pisses me off that they expect their students to do EVERYTHING they command, but they refuse to do what's expected of them as a teacher. It's bad enough with teachers but when admins don't follow the rules it screws everything up. At one school we had a major problem with tardiness. The solution that they came up with was lock-outs. When the tardy bell rang we all closed and locked our classroom door. Then security rounded up anyone not in a class and took them to the cafeteria where they were written up and assigned detention. It worked but they would announce them, which was counterproductive. Worse, the AP in charge didn't like dealing with the paperwork. He'd announce a lockout then check the hall about a minute before the tardy bell. If there were too many kids in the hall he'd announce that the lockout was cancelled. The tardy problem continued.
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Post by raymul313 on Jun 4, 2016 13:50:06 GMT -6
The worst part is that I don't get paid by the hour. You could say you get paid by the hour, but it comes up to like 10 cents an hour hahaha And even that would depend on which hours you (or administrators) would count as being worked. You know a good number of them are oblivious of what we actually do.
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Post by Party@QB on Jun 4, 2016 16:22:48 GMT -6
Sounds like most of our problems come from people over us. Don't forget it as you all move up in the world.
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Post by bigmoot on Jun 4, 2016 17:22:13 GMT -6
Sounds like most of our problems come from people over us. Don't forget it as you all move up in the world. In my case, they are well meaning but create more problems than they solve. If they would just get out of the way.
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Post by coachjm on Jun 4, 2016 18:30:21 GMT -6
As someone who works in administration with a wife in it as well and sees things from a different lens (then most) due to this, I find many posts very short sighted.
Sometimes, You don't know what you don't know!
A mentor of mine once said to me be careful if you go into administration to not change as it changes everyone. After a few months it was obvious the root cause of this is because you are making decisions for the best of a different subgroup. When you are a teacher you make decisions that are best for the masses of the students you are instructing inevitably there are some students who don't like your structures or your management style or the pace of your instruction. Administratively it is no different except rather then working with students you are working with a group of teachers. Ultimately, all you can do is lead the best way you know how to and work to support and serve your staff with the recognition that some won't like you, trust you, or buy into your philosophy simply because of your title....
I am a teacher by nature and will always be one! I never had a desire to be in administration nor did my wife however, sometimes life happens and things don't go as planned. I do know every day we both wake up with 1 goal in mind and that is to make a difference in others peoples lives, the circumstances and situations that we currently deal with have flaws as have every job prior however focusing on those flaws only takes away from our mission and goal of creating a positive effect on others. We are imperfect like all others but the fact is rather then focusing on the negatives in our current jobs we try to focus on how we are going to create infrastructure to overcome those challenges thus breeds optimism and hope and create change for our school and program and ultimately make a difference in the lives that you come in contact with.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 4, 2016 18:45:56 GMT -6
I can see sometimes where the administration comes from, often I see where they come from because they don't know what we know, and sometimes I trust them to know something I don't. Then there's that once in a while where I just don't know what they want.
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Post by coachklee on Jun 4, 2016 21:30:17 GMT -6
As someone who works in administration with a wife in it as well and sees things from a different lens (then most) due to this, I find many posts very short sighted. Sometimes, You don't know what you don't know! A mentor of mine once said to me be careful if you go into administration to not change as it changes everyone. After a few months it was obvious the root cause of this is because you are making decisions for the best of a different subgroup. When you are a teacher you make decisions that are best for the masses of the students you are instructing inevitably there are some students who don't like your structures or your management style or the pace of your instruction. Administratively it is no different except rather then working with students you are working with a group of teachers. Ultimately, all you can do is lead the best way you know how to and work to support and serve your staff with the recognition that some won't like you, trust you, or buy into your philosophy simply because of your title.... I am a teacher by nature and will always be one! I never had a desire to be in administration nor did my wife however, sometimes life happens and things don't go as planned. I do know every day we both wake up with 1 goal in mind and that is to make a difference in others peoples lives, the circumstances and situations that we currently deal with have flaws as have every job prior however focusing on those flaws only takes away from our mission and goal of creating a positive effect on others. We are imperfect like all others but the fact is rather then focusing on the negatives in our current jobs we try to focus on how we are going to create infrastructure to overcome those challenges thus breeds optimism and hope and create change for our school and program and ultimately make a difference in the lives that you come in contact with. My HC got into it some with the AP about a student-parent complaining about a new teacher the details of which are not important. Anyways, after calmly explaining things the AP got a bit frustrated & ended the conversation with, "Well, when your the AP & you get to deal with the parents & students like I do you can do it differently. Until then it's my job to build a working relationship with them (students & parents) so you (teachers) can just worry about your job teaching in the classroom." Our admin are not perfect, but they do the best job of dealing with parents of any admins I've worked for so far.
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