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Post by coachguy83 on Jun 5, 2016 0:52:39 GMT -6
I am not a teacher, but you guys have a lot of the same problems as we in the private sector have. We all have issues with our bosses and think there's a better way of doing things. We all have pain in the ass customers (teachers/students) that we have to deal with when we really wish they would go away.
The biggest problem I have with my job is the schedule. I work overnights, which isn't too bad because I just live my life opposite of everyone else. The thing that really sucks is that I have to work every other weekend and then have one random day off during the week. My schedule is a big reason why I'm leaning towards not coaching again this season, although I really miss it.
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Post by oldtitan on Jun 5, 2016 10:43:28 GMT -6
I'm truly blessed to have a great situation. Great administrators and great classes. My #1 gripe is grading essays, but it is self-inflicted. Not an avoidable task teaching the classes I teach.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 5, 2016 10:56:40 GMT -6
I'm truly blessed to have a great situation. Great administrators and great classes. My #1 gripe is grading essays, but it is self-inflicted. Not an avoidable task teaching the classes I teach. Grading is awful, but not as awful as all of the documentation our brothers and sisters in special-ed have to deal with. I'll take poorly written Spanish essays any day.
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Post by Party@QB on Jun 5, 2016 13:15:13 GMT -6
I'm truly blessed to have a great situation. Great administrators and great classes. My #1 gripe is grading essays, but it is self-inflicted. Not an avoidable task teaching the classes I teach. I'm right there with you on essays. I teach APUSH. Plenty of essays to read for that one.
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Post by dytmook on Jun 5, 2016 14:04:09 GMT -6
Well my current job doesn't allow me to be at practice etc as much as I would like. Stopping me from being the best coach I can be and making me feel a little bit like a bum when I am there. Most of it is me overthinking but it also pushes me to do extra film breakdown and stuff to show I am going to be the best team player I can.
As for coaching job, I have no real complaints. I wish the school was a little more accommodating to our athletes because we have the largest portion of minority and lower socio economic on our team. They do things like keep kids out of school because they owe the business office money, which just puts kids behind. I understand the need for accountability, but doing it mid semester punishes the kid more than anything. Also isn't the most Christian thing if you ask me...especially when you're a Catholic school.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 5, 2016 16:21:25 GMT -6
As someone who works in administration with a wife in it as well and sees things from a different lens (then most) due to this, I find many posts very short sighted. Sometimes, You don't know what you don't know! A mentor of mine once said to me be careful if you go into administration to not change as it changes everyone. After a few months it was obvious the root cause of this is because you are making decisions for the best of a different subgroup. When you are a teacher you make decisions that are best for the masses of the students you are instructing inevitably there are some students who don't like your structures or your management style or the pace of your instruction. Administratively it is no different except rather then working with students you are working with a group of teachers. Ultimately, all you can do is lead the best way you know how to and work to support and serve your staff with the recognition that some won't like you, trust you, or buy into your philosophy simply because of your title.... I am a teacher by nature and will always be one! I never had a desire to be in administration nor did my wife however, sometimes life happens and things don't go as planned. I do know every day we both wake up with 1 goal in mind and that is to make a difference in others peoples lives, the circumstances and situations that we currently deal with have flaws as have every job prior however focusing on those flaws only takes away from our mission and goal of creating a positive effect on others. We are imperfect like all others but the fact is rather then focusing on the negatives in our current jobs we try to focus on how we are going to create infrastructure to overcome those challenges thus breeds optimism and hope and create change for our school and program and ultimately make a difference in the lives that you come in contact with. SHHHHHHHH! Here comes the boss.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 5, 2016 17:03:50 GMT -6
As for coaching job, I have no real complaints. I wish the school was a little more accommodating to our athletes because we have the largest portion of minority and lower socio economic on our team. They do things like keep kids out of school because they owe the business office money, which just puts kids behind. I understand the need for accountability, but doing it mid semester punishes the kid more than anything. Also isn't the most Christian thing if you ask me...especially when you're a Catholic school. I think that is an example of what coachjm was describing. Administration is making decisions on a different level than others. They have a wider ranging scope when they have to make decisions. And quite frankly, without going too deep into the rabbit hole, I think this particular mindset is what seems to be 1) plaguing Division 1 revenue sports and 2) create a divide at the HS level between public and private. If the kid can't function like every other student at the school, they shouldn't be at the school, regardless of athletic ability.
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Post by CS on Jun 5, 2016 18:41:13 GMT -6
As someone who works in administration with a wife in it as well and sees things from a different lens (then most) due to this, I find many posts very short sighted. Sometimes, You don't know what you don't know! A mentor of mine once said to me be careful if you go into administration to not change as it changes everyone. After a few months it was obvious the root cause of this is because you are making decisions for the best of a different subgroup. When you are a teacher you make decisions that are best for the masses of the students you are instructing inevitably there are some students who don't like your structures or your management style or the pace of your instruction. Administratively it is no different except rather then working with students you are working with a group of teachers. Ultimately, all you can do is lead the best way you know how to and work to support and serve your staff with the recognition that some won't like you, trust you, or buy into your philosophy simply because of your title.... I am a teacher by nature and will always be one! I never had a desire to be in administration nor did my wife however, sometimes life happens and things don't go as planned. I do know every day we both wake up with 1 goal in mind and that is to make a difference in others peoples lives, the circumstances and situations that we currently deal with have flaws as have every job prior however focusing on those flaws only takes away from our mission and goal of creating a positive effect on others. We are imperfect like all others but the fact is rather then focusing on the negatives in our current jobs we try to focus on how we are going to create infrastructure to overcome those challenges thus breeds optimism and hope and create change for our school and program and ultimately make a difference in the lives that you come in contact with. I get that since I'm not looking through the same lense that you are that I can't truly understand the decisions that you make, however, my complaints with admin has nothing to do with decisions they make. I have no idea about your style of leadership or how well you interact with your subordinates but there is a huge flaw in the system when it comes to who gets to be the "boss" in our educational system. I answer to two people who, from what I hear, were ok teachers at best when they were in the room. Then they come in and give me scores on how well I'm teaching but give me no feedback after they score me. I haven't received bad scores at all but I like to know things that can make me better.....call me crazy I'm not directing any of this rant at you but you have to realize that teachers deal with $hitty admin more than they have good ones. Our high school principal is really good, from what I hear, but ours in the middle school are adequate at best.
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Post by dytmook on Jun 5, 2016 18:58:26 GMT -6
As for coaching job, I have no real complaints. I wish the school was a little more accommodating to our athletes because we have the largest portion of minority and lower socio economic on our team. They do things like keep kids out of school because they owe the business office money, which just puts kids behind. I understand the need for accountability, but doing it mid semester punishes the kid more than anything. Also isn't the most Christian thing if you ask me...especially when you're a Catholic school. I think that is an example of what coachjm was describing. Administration is making decisions on a different level than others. They have a wider ranging scope when they have to make decisions. And quite frankly, without going too deep into the rabbit hole, I think this particular mindset is what seems to be 1) plaguing Division 1 revenue sports and 2) create a divide at the HS level between public and private. If the kid can't function like every other student at the school, they shouldn't be at the school, regardless of athletic ability. I understand you have to pay, but I really think doing it in the middle of the grading period hurts the kids unnecessarily. if you have to make a break do it when the kid start with a clean slate. It's just my one pet peeve about the job. For the most part they are pretty good, nobody likes their bosses 100% of the time.
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Post by airraider on Jun 5, 2016 21:06:56 GMT -6
I have to climb some really high steps at 9:15 when I have to go teach...
The air conditioner in my office is too loud for me to talk on the phone, so when someone important calls, I have to turn it off and get hot while I talk.
The counselor told me the other day that right now, my 2nd block class next year only has 1 student enrolled in it... how boring will that be???
I'm sure there is more...
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Post by oldtitan on Jun 5, 2016 23:36:13 GMT -6
I'm truly blessed to have a great situation. Great administrators and great classes. My #1 gripe is grading essays, but it is self-inflicted. Not an avoidable task teaching the classes I teach. I'm right there with you on essays. I teach APUSH. Plenty of essays to read for that one. I teach APUSH as well - I feel your pain.
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Post by bdm on Jun 6, 2016 8:08:55 GMT -6
Currently my first period is taking their final exam and the county decided to turn the air conditioning off over the weekend so its a nice balmy 87 in my room right now, its so hot the kids have taken their scrap paper and made them into fans to fan themselves with. If anyone of my "good" kids does bad they will call the board and complain because it was so hot they may give it a mis-administration and we may have to do this all over again. ITS Phuking hot in here. I mean this boarders on cruelty. I've had to catch myself from dozing off its so hot. This is just for today. Overall the school I work at is pretty bad from top to bottom. Inner city and the trapping and short comings that come from working in an inner city school with a free and reduced lunch rate of over 80%.
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 6, 2016 8:21:42 GMT -6
I've got it pretty good. I teach two football weights classes and three gen pop weights classes and I'm the only person who teaches those classes, so I have total domain over my academic life. Football wise, I coach at my alma mater during the best period of success we've ever had. I live in a CA tourist town, to boot.
Biggest problem is that my HC, who is an absolute HOF level coach and I learn from daily, isn't a very good communicator and can be frustratingly inconsistent. But you just accept that and move on without getting your jimmies rustled.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 6, 2016 8:30:47 GMT -6
I've got it pretty good. I teach two football weights classes and three gen pop weights classes and I'm the only person who teaches those classes, so I have total domain over my academic life. Football wise, I coach at my alma mater during the best period of success we've ever had. I live in a CA tourist town, to boot. Biggest problem is that my HC, who is an absolute HOF level coach and I learn from daily, isn't a very good communicator and can be frustratingly inconsistent. But you just accept that and move on without getting your jimmies rustled. I've coached under 2 HOF guys myself. Both were awful at communicating things, but it is what it is. Both are great leaders of men, know the game, and are just great to learn from and be around. No leader is perfect.
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 6, 2016 9:02:46 GMT -6
I've got it pretty good. I teach two football weights classes and three gen pop weights classes and I'm the only person who teaches those classes, so I have total domain over my academic life. Football wise, I coach at my alma mater during the best period of success we've ever had. I live in a CA tourist town, to boot. Biggest problem is that my HC, who is an absolute HOF level coach and I learn from daily, isn't a very good communicator and can be frustratingly inconsistent. But you just accept that and move on without getting your jimmies rustled. I've coached under 2 HOF guys myself. Both were awful at communicating things, but it is what it is. Both are great leaders of men, know the game, and are just great to learn from and be around. No leader is perfect. Exactly. If he was HOF level at everything, he'd be coaching at an SEC school.
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Post by Party@QB on Jun 6, 2016 12:49:18 GMT -6
[/quote]Exactly. If he was HOF level at everything, he'd be coaching at an SEC school. [/quote]
Did a guy from the West Coast just give the SEC a compliment?
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 6, 2016 13:16:08 GMT -6
Exactly. If he was HOF level at everything, he'd be coaching at an SEC school. [/quote] Did a guy from the West Coast just give the SEC a compliment?[/quote] Good point. A guy who is HOF at everything would coach in a real conference like the B1G, unless Saban is calling. Always go with Saban.
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Post by Party@QB on Jun 6, 2016 13:25:48 GMT -6
I'm right there with you on essays. I teach APUSH. Plenty of essays to read for that one. I teach APUSH as well - I feel your pain. It does get us out of classes full of mouth breathers.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 6, 2016 13:37:18 GMT -6
I teach APUSH as well - I feel your pain. It does get us out of classes full of mouth breathers. As much as I disliked doing AP Spanish, at least the kids did work. I'd rather deal with helicopter parents over Mouthbreathers just about any day.
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Post by Yash on Jun 6, 2016 13:57:29 GMT -6
Holy {censored} dude! You were in 'Nam & still surviving as a teacher...you must be 1 tough S.O.B.!!! Off topic, but coached with a Nam vet... wore full sweats in august to practice because he didn't like the bugs... a kid asked him Coach aren't you hot... he went off on the kid "You ever been to Nam? Ever felt how hot it was there..." no one ever asked about the heat again.
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Post by coachirish on Jun 6, 2016 15:30:12 GMT -6
I have a pretty sweet job. I teach two blocks of ACT prep and one block of football. Administration leaves me alone. We have had unprecedented success during my tenure as hc. My right hand man and oc teaches at another building and no other coaches are teachers. So it's just me at the school. That can suck.
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Post by holmesbend on Jun 6, 2016 20:27:19 GMT -6
Where do I begin? I will first agree with Party@QB that when no one in your building enforces anything, it makes it very difficult on you to instill discipline because it is a double standard and you're always the jerk. I think mine starts at the top with our super. They are eliminating phys ed throughout the district. I am down to 2 weight classes next year when everyone else in our conference is in there all day. This means I'll be back in the classroom. I DO NOT want to do that. I don't mind the material, but I despise lesson planning and can't stand teaching the stuff to a bunch of kids who don't care. That's why I like PE because you just have them work and/or play games. For the most part they enjoy that. My school is afraid of lifting weights. All sports. It has largely scared our athlete base. Kids won't come out to play because they are convinced they'll get hurt, not necessarily playing the game but in the weight room (of course not true, there has been no such thing happen). This is perpetuated by a former HC who wants to run all the S&C stuff. Our super granted it to him and paid him 4-5k more to do it, which again typically goes to the HC around here. It severely limited my access to the weight room this summer. I was informed of none of this, just told it was done. Well that's a start. I like this thread and hope it can help me feel better about things. However I have this feeling if I were to ask for people's advice on here and say what do I do they'd say get the hell out (which is what the few sane people here have told me). I would but it's not that simple because I can't move. Eliminating PE across the entire district?!? WTH.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Jun 7, 2016 11:38:33 GMT -6
No more elementary PE. There will be an instructional assistant for guided recess once a week. No more freshman PE. They are utilizing 8th grade to give them a credit somehow. They take 1 semester in 7th grade. They reduced us from 5 Elective PE to 2. So they get 3 semesters of guaranteed phys ed in their entire educational career.
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Post by coachhart on Jun 7, 2016 12:26:22 GMT -6
No more elementary PE. There will be an instructional assistant for guided recess once a week. No more freshman PE. They are utilizing 8th grade to give them a credit somehow. They take 1 semester in 7th grade. They reduced us from 5 Elective PE to 2. So they get 3 semesters of guaranteed phys ed in their entire educational career. Wow! Talk about educational decisions that don't take into account what's best for students! I wonder what your district's test scores (and obesity rates) will look like in a couple of years! Sorry that you are going through this.
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Post by bdm on Jun 7, 2016 12:54:16 GMT -6
So it might not be the place to post this but this thread has a lot of interest so I am posting this question here. The AD just dropped a bomb on us we have to pay to use the bus this summer for every trip we take. Does anyone else have to do this?
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 7, 2016 13:50:18 GMT -6
So it might not be the place to post this but this thread has a lot of interest so I am posting this question here. The AD just dropped a bomb on us we have to pay to use the bus this summer for every trip we take. Does anyone else have to do this? If we did, we would have to. Why wouldn't you pay for the bus that your program uses?
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Post by blb on Jun 7, 2016 15:18:50 GMT -6
So it might not be the place to post this but this thread has a lot of interest so I am posting this question here. The AD just dropped a bomb on us we have to pay to use the bus this summer for every trip we take. Does anyone else have to do this?
Where do you go in the Summer you need a bus?
In our state we cannot use school transportation until start of official practice in August.
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Post by Party@QB on Jun 7, 2016 17:48:01 GMT -6
So it might not be the place to post this but this thread has a lot of interest so I am posting this question here. The AD just dropped a bomb on us we have to pay to use the bus this summer for every trip we take. Does anyone else have to do this? We pay for every trip we take busses on. And we drive them to save money that would go to driver. Blb, camps and 7v7
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 7, 2016 18:14:13 GMT -6
So it might not be the place to post this but this thread has a lot of interest so I am posting this question here. The AD just dropped a bomb on us we have to pay to use the bus this summer for every trip we take. Does anyone else have to do this? We pay for every trip we take busses on. And we drive them to save money that would go to driver. Blb, camps and 7v7 BLB is right on Michigan. We go to 7 on 7 and it's hitch a ride with a bro. Fortunately we host most of ours.
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Post by Party@QB on Jun 7, 2016 21:15:08 GMT -6
We pay for every trip we take busses on. And we drive them to save money that would go to driver. Blb, camps and 7v7 BLB is right on Michigan. We go to 7 on 7 and it's hitch a ride with a bro. Fortunately we host most of ours. We would get in so much trouble if we tried to do that. I wouldn't mind. It would make my life easier, but there would be some angry admins
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