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Post by wolfden12 on Mar 18, 2016 12:41:47 GMT -6
I was thinking today at the school where I teach and all these teachers are "b*******" about this kid and that kid. I wondered how many gave that kid a chance or got to know them.
In terms of sports and football specifically, what are some ways you show players you care about them?
A few things I do are
Tweet out to them a happy bday from the program
Tweet out support if they are in another sport before all contests
Show face as much as possible at other events they are involved in
Text on them on the weekend and ask them how their weekend went. Ask for details
Try to say something or ask a question to every player everyday at weights
"They don't care how much you know until they know how much you care."
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Post by coachphillip on Mar 18, 2016 13:08:44 GMT -6
Talk to them a ton and none of it has anything to do with football. Had a great conversation the other day with a kid whose mom just got diagnosed with cancer. Told me he's going to spend spring break with his brother because his mind wasn't right. Kid has emotional issues and has problems communicating according to his file. He did just fine with me. Reason why? We were talking about this new video game we were both playing.
Outside of that, I'm at every single practice, meeting, and lift. Kids know I invest just as much time into the thing as they do. Kids don't like fakes. Exemplify how much you care just by being there.
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Post by coachphillip on Mar 18, 2016 13:09:42 GMT -6
Oh yeah, and you'd be amazed at how far a burger and fries goes in winning over kids lol.
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Post by dbeck84 on Mar 18, 2016 13:44:53 GMT -6
I'm all for showing kids that you care, but texting them on the weekend asking how the weekend went is just asking for trouble.
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Post by kylem56 on Mar 18, 2016 13:46:39 GMT -6
I'm an adminstrator at a different school then the one I coach at and I constantly have this discussion with certain teachers. You know the teachers who lead the school in write-up's and sent a kid to the office almost every hour. I ask them "can you tell me one thing about the kid besides his academics, who does he live with, does he have siblings, etc" . Just talking to a kid for a few minutes everyday about whatever will go a long way.
As for the football program, we are striving to build a family atmsophere. Like another poster said, tweet out happy birthday to a kid, send kids text messages before a big game if they play other sports, get to know them besides the football player they are. Be seen at other sporting events.
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Post by carookie on Mar 18, 2016 14:07:06 GMT -6
I'm all for showing kids that you care, but texting them on the weekend asking how the weekend went is just asking for trouble. I agree with this. It is possible to care, and show it, while behaving like a coach/teacher (and not a friend). I guess I'm out of touch as I don't have a twitter or facebook or anything like that, but if I did I wouldnt be friends with students; and I don't give my number out to players (what would they need it for anyways). But instead of tweeting them happy bday, I tell them it when I see them in the halls; because I truly want to make their day. And if they look down when I see them, I will ask them how they are doing; because I am genuinely concerned with how they are doing. I will know who they are as not only an athlete but as a person as well; because I like to know them as a person. I guess what I am trying to write, is the best way to show your players that you care (the same with anyone else) is to actually care. If you do, then it will show itself organically in so many ways.
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Post by natenator on Mar 18, 2016 14:08:37 GMT -6
beat them
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Post by vincelombardi on Mar 18, 2016 14:47:17 GMT -6
Ask Adrian Peterson how that worked out for him...
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Mar 18, 2016 15:21:10 GMT -6
I coach the sh1t out of them!
use tough love smile at them laugh with them laugh at them yell at them - in the right way correct them... repeatedly do grade checks talk to them ask them how they are doing shake their hand give them a hug - in the right way encourage them build them up - might require a tear down... tell them I love them - in the right way
be the parent they might need that they are not getting at home
let them get to know me the person, not just the coach...
I show them I care by actually caring about them through actions and feelings
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Post by jared10227 on Mar 18, 2016 15:22:54 GMT -6
I'm all for showing kids that you care, but texting them on the weekend asking how the weekend went is just asking for trouble. I agree with this. It is possible to care, and show it, while behaving like a coach/teacher (and not a friend). I guess I'm out of touch as I don't have a twitter or facebook or anything like that, but if I did I wouldnt be friends with students; and I don't give my number out to players (what would they need it for anyways). But instead of tweeting them happy bday, I tell them it when I see them in the halls; because I truly want to make their day. And if they look down when I see them, I will ask them how they are doing; because I am genuinely concerned with how they are doing. I will know who they are as not only an athlete but as a person as well; because I like to know them as a person. I guess what I am trying to write, is the best way to show your players that you care (the same with anyone else) is to actually care. If you do, then it will show itself organically in so many ways. What do the kids need your number for anyaway?? Maybe they are in a bad situation and the need a way to get out, so they call their coach. Maybe mom just got in a car wreck and they could use a ride to the hospital. Maybe they just got in a car wreck and are scared out of their minds. Maybe they have something important going on in their life and need a father-figure to talk to. There are many reasons why my players may need my number, this is some examples from the last three years. We print "Think Cards" out every year for our players, so that they have all the coaches numbers if they need us for anything
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Post by jared10227 on Mar 18, 2016 15:25:54 GMT -6
My wife and I actually have different position groups over to my house throughout the season. We feed them a big meal (spaghetti, brisket, BBQ, Pizza, Chili, etc...) at least I know where they are on a Saturday night, and that they are getting fed.
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 18, 2016 16:39:13 GMT -6
It's kinda like dating. If you talk to a woman like she's an objective or a means to an end, she's not going to stick around. If you treat her as her own unique person that you want to understand, you're making progress.
Your players aren't your players, they're young men who are playing a tough game because they chose to and you're the person who's been tasked with caring for them.
You've gotta stay within your personality, but I know that I do a good job of this by just being interested in them and their lives. Every kid is different.
Examples from our JV weights class today: Matthew is wearing socks with shrimp on them today, which is part of his general trend of wearing one unusual item in each of his outfits. I make a joke about his socks and his wardrobe and he knows that I care about him enough to notice these things.
I ask Forrest if he's pitching tonight and modify his workout so his shoulders are fresh. Forrest is really torn up about playing football next year because he thinks of himself as a baseball player first and foremost, so I'm trying to show him that we can work with/around that.
Will has a concussion history, so when he gets hit in the head in dodgeball I immediately call him over and make sure he's OK. This is a really obvious example of showing concern.
Jordan had a track meet yesterday, so I ask him how he did in the long/triple jump. Hayden teases him because he beat him in the long jump and I ask Hayden about his 100m time as a comeback for Jordan because I know Jordan isn't the type to have a comeback.
What can we gather from this? Judging by the names involved, my players are very monochromatic. Beyond that, I'm showing them that I'm invested in them as people and I'm aware of their own wants and shortcomings.
I have the advantage of seeing my boys almost every single day, but if I didn't than I would try to find a way to make as many connections as possible because you have to be more than a tourist in their lives.
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Post by jaydub66 on Mar 18, 2016 16:45:45 GMT -6
I always ask "how you feeling" "hows your grades" "Have you taken the sat/psat" in that order anytime I run into them in the offseason like once or twice a week.
I see them just understanding it's not just football, we're here to make sure they're healthy and taking care of their school work. Sometimes love is tough love.
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Post by coachphillip on Mar 18, 2016 17:07:11 GMT -6
We gotta remember too that our perspective of kids is different from people who strictly teach. We see them outside the confines of a classroom where they goof around and we joke back and forth. Coaches typically get into this because we love kids. I know a LOT of people that go into teaching because of other reasons then loving high school kids. That's not the case for everyone, but more than just a few I know of personally.
I feel differently about Sanchez because I know what he is. He's a goof ball whose dad left him when he was young. He makes people laugh because he's seeking attention. When things get tough, he thinks it's okay to quit because his dad walked out on him and his mom quits so many jobs I'm amazed she gets jobs anymore. I call him out when he's messing around and pull him aside later and tell him why his acting up is distracting the group. He gets it now. He loves football enough to stay and get hassled. This same kid got called out the other day in Math. He stood up, said "F&$! you and F&$! this class. I'll take summer school." And walked out. The way I see him and the math teacher sees him is totally different.
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Post by carookie on Mar 18, 2016 17:52:04 GMT -6
I agree with this. It is possible to care, and show it, while behaving like a coach/teacher (and not a friend). I guess I'm out of touch as I don't have a twitter or facebook or anything like that, but if I did I wouldnt be friends with students; and I don't give my number out to players (what would they need it for anyways). But instead of tweeting them happy bday, I tell them it when I see them in the halls; because I truly want to make their day. And if they look down when I see them, I will ask them how they are doing; because I am genuinely concerned with how they are doing. I will know who they are as not only an athlete but as a person as well; because I like to know them as a person. I guess what I am trying to write, is the best way to show your players that you care (the same with anyone else) is to actually care. If you do, then it will show itself organically in so many ways. What do the kids need your number for anyaway?? Maybe they are in a bad situation and the need a way to get out, so they call their coach. Maybe mom just got in a car wreck and they could use a ride to the hospital. Maybe they just got in a car wreck and are scared out of their minds. Maybe they have something important going on in their life and need a father-figure to talk to. There are many reasons why my players may need my number, this is some examples from the last three years. We print "Think Cards" out every year for our players, so that they have all the coaches numbers if they need us for anything I guess you and I are just different. I don't think they need my actual phone number (even with all those examples). I am their coach and teacher and thats a line I feel doesnt need to be crossed. They can always email me if needed. When I took the job I am at now the HC asked me to put my number on the board for my players and I told him absolutely not. If that makes me seem to care less, so be it; I had a player going off to college ask for my number in case he needed to call me for advice. My response was, "if you didn't learn what you needed in the years we've been together here you ain't gonna learn it calling me in college."
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Post by jaydub66 on Mar 18, 2016 18:20:05 GMT -6
We gotta remember too that our perspective of kids is different from people who strictly teach. We see them outside the confines of a classroom where they goof around and we joke back and forth. Coaches typically get into this because we love kids. I know a LOT of people that go into teaching because of other reasons then loving high school kids. That's not the case for everyone, but more than just a few I know of personally. I feel differently about Sanchez because I know what he is. He's a goof ball whose dad left him when he was young. He makes people laugh because he's seeking attention. When things get tough, he thinks it's okay to quit because his dad walked out on him and his mom quits so many jobs I'm amazed she gets jobs anymore. I call him out when he's messing around and pull him aside later and tell him why his acting up is distracting the group. He gets it now. He loves football enough to stay and get hassled. This same kid got called out the other day in Math. He stood up, said "F&$! you and F&$! this class. I'll take summer school." And walked out. The way I see him and the math teacher sees him is totally different. I can sympathize with this. I coach at a bigger school where 2/3rds the student body is black or hispanic and in a lower income type situation. Maybe one parent in the house, sometimes a grandmother. I've had kids who act funky because their life isn't the best. I keep things light, make sure to focus on the task at hand. Sometimes you can tell who has stuff going on at home by their body language or how they are acting. You pick and choose when to get on kids and what words to use when you get on them
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Post by fantom on Mar 18, 2016 18:45:02 GMT -6
What do the kids need your number for anyaway?? Maybe they are in a bad situation and the need a way to get out, so they call their coach. Maybe mom just got in a car wreck and they could use a ride to the hospital. Maybe they just got in a car wreck and are scared out of their minds. Maybe they have something important going on in their life and need a father-figure to talk to. There are many reasons why my players may need my number, this is some examples from the last three years. We print "Think Cards" out every year for our players, so that they have all the coaches numbers if they need us for anything I guess you and I are just different. I don't think they need my actual phone number (even with all those examples). I am their coach and teacher and thats a line I feel doesnt need to be crossed. They can always email me if needed. When I took the job I am at now the HC asked me to put my number on the board for my players and I told him absolutely not. If that makes me seem to care less, so be it; I had a player going off to college ask for my number in case he needed to call me for advice. My response was, "if you didn't learn what you needed in the years we've been together here you ain't gonna learn it calling me in college." I don't get this at all. What are you worried about?
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 18, 2016 19:14:14 GMT -6
I guess you and I are just different. I don't think they need my actual phone number (even with all those examples). I am their coach and teacher and thats a line I feel doesnt need to be crossed. They can always email me if needed. When I took the job I am at now the HC asked me to put my number on the board for my players and I told him absolutely not. If that makes me seem to care less, so be it; I had a player going off to college ask for my number in case he needed to call me for advice. My response was, "if you didn't learn what you needed in the years we've been together here you ain't gonna learn it calling me in college." I don't get this at all. What are you worried about? I have worries at times because kids are irresponsible and I can't control what the person on the other end of the phone does with it. I got a text about a week ago from a number I didn't know. Claimed to be a 22 year old girl who had a thing for me when she was in school and I was subbing there. Said she got my number from a current football player and was trying to escalate things pretty quickly. I shut that down just as quick, but it is a very good example of why having my number out there does worry me some times. That said, I'm mostly past that fear and it's important to me for my guys to be able to get a hold of me when they feel they need to.
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Post by fantom on Mar 18, 2016 19:21:12 GMT -6
I don't get this at all. What are you worried about? I have worries at times because kids are irresponsible and I can't control what the person on the other end of the phone does with it. I got a text about a week ago from a number I didn't know. Claimed to be a 22 year old girl who had a thing for me when she was in school and I was subbing there. Said she got my number from a current football player and was trying to escalate things pretty quickly. I shut that down just as quick, but it is a very good example of why having my number out there does worry me some times. That said, I'm mostly past that fear and it's important to me for my guys to be able to get a hold of me when they feel they need to. There's nothing easier to ignore than an unwanted phone call or text.
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Post by carookie on Mar 18, 2016 19:42:46 GMT -6
I guess you and I are just different. I don't think they need my actual phone number (even with all those examples). I am their coach and teacher and thats a line I feel doesnt need to be crossed. They can always email me if needed. When I took the job I am at now the HC asked me to put my number on the board for my players and I told him absolutely not. If that makes me seem to care less, so be it; I had a player going off to college ask for my number in case he needed to call me for advice. My response was, "if you didn't learn what you needed in the years we've been together here you ain't gonna learn it calling me in college." I don't get this at all. What are you worried about? Its all just drawing the line at different places. I doubt anyone here has students stay the night at their house every weekend; but if a coach did that he could say, "we all should do it, why dont you? What are you worried about?" I think there is a line of conduct that separates coach from friend, and to me that line is drawn at giving your personal contact information (phone number, home address, personal email, etc.) In addition to the number circulating throughout all the students, and then some students taking it as an invite to being friends. Which in itself can lead to hassle. I'm worried that players, and students will start to use this as a crutch. My job isnt to always be there for them, my job is to teach them how to get by without me. And, I don't need parents getting that number and hassling me at all times. I am a husband and father in addition to a coach, and I don't need little johnny and his dad showing up at my front door asking about playing time when I am spending time with my family. Now, apparently this makes me come off as less dedicated than others; but from my perspective wanting to have the ability to have constant contact with your players is the same type of thinking that helicopter parents suffer through. Moms and Dads who hang around at campus all the time, trying to solve all their kids problems, trying to deal with coaches in ways that their children should; in their mind its them showing how they care.
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Post by 60zgo on Mar 18, 2016 19:48:51 GMT -6
I don't get this at all. What are you worried about? Its all just drawing the line at different places. I doubt anyone here has students stay the night at their house every weekend; but if a coach did that he could say, "we all should do it, why dont you? What are you worried about?" I think there is a line of conduct that separates coach from friend, and to me that line is drawn at giving your personal contact information (phone number, home address, personal email, etc.) In addition to the number circulating throughout all the students, and then some students taking it as an invite to being friends. Which in itself can lead to hassle. I'm worried that players, and students will start to use this as a crutch. My job isnt to always be there for them, my job is to teach them how to get by without me. And, I don't need parents getting that number and hassling me at all times. I am a husband and father in addition to a coach, and I don't need little johnny and his dad showing up at my front door asking about playing time when I am spending time with my family. Now, apparently this makes me come off as less dedicated than others; but from my perspective wanting to have the ability to have constant contact with your players is the same type of thinking that helicopter parents suffer through. Moms and Dads who hang around at campus all the time, trying to solve all their kids problems, trying to deal with coaches in ways that their children should; in their mind its them showing how they care. I think the texting thing is also directly related to where you teach as well. Some kids need a little more anchor, and they need more than just a teacher/coach.
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Post by fantom on Mar 18, 2016 19:53:34 GMT -6
I don't get this at all. What are you worried about? Its all just drawing the line at different places. I doubt anyone here has students stay the night at their house every weekend; but if a coach did that he could say, "we all should do it, why dont you? What are you worried about?" I think there is a line of conduct that separates coach from friend, and to me that line is drawn at giving your personal contact information (phone number, home address, personal email, etc.) In addition to the number circulating throughout all the students, and then some students taking it as an invite to being friends. Which in itself can lead to hassle. I'm worried that players, and students will start to use this as a crutch. My job isnt to always be there for them, my job is to teach them how to get by without me. And, I don't need parents getting that number and hassling me at all times. I am a husband and father in addition to a coach, and I don't need little johnny and his dad showing up at my front door asking about playing time when I am spending time with my family. Now, apparently this makes me come off as less dedicated than others; but from my perspective wanting to have the ability to have constant contact with your players is the same type of thinking that helicopter parents suffer through. Moms and Dads who hang around at campus all the time, trying to solve all their kids problems, trying to deal with coaches in ways that their children should; in their mind its them showing how they care. In 35+ years I'v never had a parent hassle me over the phone. Not once. They've sure as hell never shown up at my door and I've lived in the school zone. The handful of calls that I've ever gotten at home have been players with questions.
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Post by carookie on Mar 18, 2016 20:32:54 GMT -6
Its all just drawing the line at different places. I doubt anyone here has students stay the night at their house every weekend; but if a coach did that he could say, "we all should do it, why dont you? What are you worried about?" I think there is a line of conduct that separates coach from friend, and to me that line is drawn at giving your personal contact information (phone number, home address, personal email, etc.) In addition to the number circulating throughout all the students, and then some students taking it as an invite to being friends. Which in itself can lead to hassle. I'm worried that players, and students will start to use this as a crutch. My job isnt to always be there for them, my job is to teach them how to get by without me. And, I don't need parents getting that number and hassling me at all times. I am a husband and father in addition to a coach, and I don't need little johnny and his dad showing up at my front door asking about playing time when I am spending time with my family. Now, apparently this makes me come off as less dedicated than others; but from my perspective wanting to have the ability to have constant contact with your players is the same type of thinking that helicopter parents suffer through. Moms and Dads who hang around at campus all the time, trying to solve all their kids problems, trying to deal with coaches in ways that their children should; in their mind its them showing how they care. In 35+ years I'v never had a parent hassle me over the phone. Not once. They've sure as hell never shown up at my door and I've lived in the school zone. The handful of calls that I've ever gotten at home have been players with questions. HAHA, my current HC has gotten this multiple times (and we are at an upper class private school that encourages all this contact). I remember two years back he had a dad show up at his place to talk stuff out, and ended up threatening him over playing time. This past year he had a dad call him near midnight over 5 times to talk about stuff. But once again he encourages all this type of stuff, and is in CONSTANT contact with players and parents (to the point where many have complained about it). Of course they rarely complain to him, usually behind his back.
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Post by carookie on Mar 18, 2016 20:33:54 GMT -6
Its all just drawing the line at different places. I doubt anyone here has students stay the night at their house every weekend; but if a coach did that he could say, "we all should do it, why dont you? What are you worried about?" I think there is a line of conduct that separates coach from friend, and to me that line is drawn at giving your personal contact information (phone number, home address, personal email, etc.) In addition to the number circulating throughout all the students, and then some students taking it as an invite to being friends. Which in itself can lead to hassle. I'm worried that players, and students will start to use this as a crutch. My job isnt to always be there for them, my job is to teach them how to get by without me. And, I don't need parents getting that number and hassling me at all times. I am a husband and father in addition to a coach, and I don't need little johnny and his dad showing up at my front door asking about playing time when I am spending time with my family. Now, apparently this makes me come off as less dedicated than others; but from my perspective wanting to have the ability to have constant contact with your players is the same type of thinking that helicopter parents suffer through. Moms and Dads who hang around at campus all the time, trying to solve all their kids problems, trying to deal with coaches in ways that their children should; in their mind its them showing how they care. I think the texting thing is also directly related to where you teach as well. Some kids need a little more anchor, and they need more than just a teacher/coach. I think we are capable of being more than "just a teacher/coach" in the time frame allotted.
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Post by Coach Vint on Mar 18, 2016 20:46:36 GMT -6
The best way to care is to actually care. Not just by saying you care, but truly caring about your players on and off the field. I give my players my cell number. If they have a problem or question they can text me. They can call me. I don't think there is any issue with this. I tell my players this is a family, and we don't need to share our numbers outside the family. If someone calls or texts that I don't know I typically don't respond. They use twitter and Facebook. I am on both. Facebook is more to keep up with friends and former players. Twitter I use to talk ball, network, and share positive information. I may shout a kid out on Twitter. I don't think Facebook and Twitter help you care, they are more for communication. I am going to give you a deep thought here and jump on my soapbox. Coaching is about LOVE. It is about unconditional love. You love your players for who they are, not what they do. You love them as much when they are at their worst as you do when they are at their best. When you stick by them when they are at their worst they will begin to trust you. This does not mean not holding them accountable. Quite the contrary, you will be able to hold them accountable and they won't resent you. Love is spelled T-I-M-E. You must be willing to give them time. You must spend time getting to know them. You must spend time listening to them. You must be willing to help them when they have a problem they don't know how to solve. The first key is getting to know them. Break them into groups of 8 to 10. Spend the first 8 minutes each day asking them about their families, their hopes, their dreams, and their fears. do this every single day in the winter and spring. During this time they will learn about you, you will learn about them, and they will learn about each other. You can use this time to teach character and teach them real life lessons. Here is a link to a blog post I wrote on coaching with a purpose: coachvint.blogspot.com/2015/03/coaching-with-purpose.htmlHere is one on Building Culture, Character, and Leadership: coachvint.blogspot.com/2016/03/developing-culture-character-and.htmlYou can't build trust and unconditional love by chance. You can't teach character by chance. You can't build culture by chance. You have to do these with intent.
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Post by 60zgo on Mar 18, 2016 21:00:24 GMT -6
I think the texting thing is also directly related to where you teach as well. Some kids need a little more anchor, and they need more than just a teacher/coach. I think we are capable of being more than "just a teacher/coach" in the time frame allotted. Not where I have been.
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 18, 2016 21:02:34 GMT -6
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Post by 60zgo on Mar 18, 2016 21:13:04 GMT -6
I was thinking today at the school where I teach and all these teachers are "b*******" about this kid and that kid. I wondered how many gave that kid a chance or got to know them. In terms of sports and football specifically, what are some ways you show players you care about them? A few things I do are Tweet out to them a happy bday from the program Tweet out support if they are in another sport before all contests Show face as much as possible at other events they are involved in Text on them on the weekend and ask them how their weekend went. Ask for details Try to say something or ask a question to every player everyday at weights "They don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." 1. We coach them hard.(Present, enthusiastic, committed to excellence) 2. We take a genuine interest in who they are as people. Have real conversations with them. (Go to their other activities and sports especially if they ask. Make sure each kid is genuinely talked to everyday by at least one coach) 3. Create an environment that is enjoyable and fun. (We compete internally constantly and have prizes and team building activities) 4. Let them know that we are a family and develop meaningful relationships that last. (We work on character/values once a week in a classroom setting and make sure that we are always available... ie phone/text) I like the idea of the card mentioned before. We may have to add that.
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Post by realdawg on Mar 19, 2016 5:11:43 GMT -6
Tell them corny jokes, ask them how they are doing, talk to them about stuff other than football. Ask about their mom or day. Buy them some food. Etc....
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Post by raymul313 on Mar 19, 2016 5:22:08 GMT -6
I guess you and I are just different. I don't think they need my actual phone number (even with all those examples). I am their coach and teacher and thats a line I feel doesnt need to be crossed. They can always email me if needed. When I took the job I am at now the HC asked me to put my number on the board for my players and I told him absolutely not. If that makes me seem to care less, so be it; I had a player going off to college ask for my number in case he needed to call me for advice. My response was, "if you didn't learn what you needed in the years we've been together here you ain't gonna learn it calling me in college." I don't get this at all. What are you worried about? Seriously, even at17/18 your former players can look to you for advice which shouldn't be an issue. College & post-college life has a whole different atmosphere of issues that you could help see your players through.
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