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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 12:53:22 GMT -6
but all the off the field, on the field drama. who has "beef" with who, who says what at press conferences, who gets fined for what, who is known for what..... all that is calculated by VERY talented marketing groups. Maybe the NFL is different, but I've never known a locker room (or workplace) that needed to pay someone good money to create drama.
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Post by leighty on Feb 9, 2016 13:05:54 GMT -6
He doesn't handle adversity well. It's really just as simple as that. That's not the first press conference he's flubbed.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2016 13:08:52 GMT -6
He doesn't handle adversity well. It's really just as simple as that. That's not the first press conference he's flubbed. This about sums it up. Not handling adversity well, combined with celebratory antics is generally a great platform for schadenfreude
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Post by red on Feb 9, 2016 13:11:19 GMT -6
There is a huge difference between losing and being heart broken. Cam Newton is an incredible talent that has generally had things go his way. He is young and will learn to deal with this type of defeat. He could hear Chris Harris behind him giving an interview about how they were trying to force Cam to throw the ball.
His attitude is more about how heart broken he was and trying to deal with the weight of the moment. The fumble was awkward, he was standing on top of it. How can you insinuate the league MVP is selfish or cowardly. We have all had games where the outcome is not equatable to the type of team you have. Where everything goes wrong.
Does he need to handle it differently, sure. But you guys are not 26 years old on the biggest stage in the world, playing an incredible defense that you had no idea how to deal with. I am a Manning fan but give the guy a break. This thread should be about the best defensive (2 teams) super bowl ever. But since no one (visor guys) cares about defense we will just attack the losing QB, instead of dissect the Broncos game plan.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 9, 2016 13:44:52 GMT -6
but all the off the field, on the field drama. who has "beef" with who, who says what at press conferences, who gets fined for what, who is known for what..... all that is calculated by VERY talented marketing groups. Maybe the NFL is different, but I've never known a locker room (or workplace) that needed to pay someone good money to create drama. true, but of the exposed stuff, whats real and whats manufactured?
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Post by leighty on Feb 9, 2016 13:53:07 GMT -6
I forgot to bring my tinfoil hat.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 9, 2016 14:32:10 GMT -6
I forgot to bring my tinfoil hat. I never leave the basement without mine.
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Post by coachklee on Feb 9, 2016 18:46:40 GMT -6
There is a huge difference between losing and being heart broken. Cam Newton is an incredible talent that has generally had things go his way. He is young and will learn to deal with this type of defeat. He could hear Chris Harris behind him giving an interview about how they were trying to force Cam to throw the ball. His attitude is more about how heart broken he was and trying to deal with the weight of the moment. The fumble was awkward, he was standing on top of it. How can you insinuate the league MVP is selfish or cowardly. We have all had games where the outcome is not equatable to the type of team you have. Where everything goes wrong. Does he need to handle it differently, sure. But you guys are not 26 years old on the biggest stage in the world, playing an incredible defense that you had no idea how to deal with. I am a Manning fan but give the guy a break. This thread should be about the best defensive (2 teams) super bowl ever. But since no one (visor guys) cares about defense we will just attack the losing QB, instead of dissect the Broncos game plan. This is what I was thinking. I wouldn't want to talk much to the media after I was one of the biggest contributors to my team losing. Only guys who maybe had more to do with the loss were the Panther OTs because they let Ware & Miller harass Newton all night. Their press conferences didn't make news...they probably had a few questions & got to walk away. A bit different for QBs. I still remember Kobe Bryant's press conference after the Pistons beat him...he jokingly (or seriously) said I want to forget all about...go home & take a few shots & then maybe a lot of shots...not sure if he was referring to improving his shot or drinking, but I could guess. Losing sucks enough...talking about it when you already know you contributed to it has to suck even more!
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Post by leighty on Feb 9, 2016 19:26:51 GMT -6
Literally nobody is criticizing Cam for being disappointed. No one expected him to be happy. What they did expect is him to handle it with at least a modicum of professionalism. Multiple other Panthers players managed to do that. Cam did not. What he looked like was a six-year-old sitting in the corner refusing to make eye contact with or otherwise acknowledge the parent who just disciplined him. All that was missing was the quivering lip.
Had he handled his post-game press conference the way he handled his media availability today, he would have endeared himself to everyone. As it stands, he acted like a child and completely undermined any progress, real or perceived, he'd made in being a leader.
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Post by td4tc on Feb 9, 2016 20:21:00 GMT -6
When you lose, don't lose the lesson. Cam will be better for it. Would have been interesting to see how Peyton would have handled losing after his very sub par performance (remember he was going to quit when they said he wouldn't be the starter even when healthy) but because of a terrific Bronco defense we will never know. Gives him a great chance to go out on top.
Back to the game, would like to see no more two weeks between AFC/NFC champs and SB. Not sure how the quality of the game was different when only one week but I seem to remember that.A hall of famer announcer suggested that particularly the run defenses have an edge with the extra time to prepare and offenses get a little rusty.
Demeo quoted Evander Holyfield in reference to Newton, "Everyone has a plan till they get hit". And that Cam didn't know how to win ugly. The dance away from the fumble reminds me of Roberto Duran's "No Mas" with Sugar Ray when everyone thought the "hands of stone" man was the toughest thing going.Denver looked em in the eye and got Carolina to blink first and despite all that still had a chance because of a woeful Bronco offense (or for my dark side buddies A Great Carolina defense)
The worst thing (besides losing money) as an offensive guy I have had to listen for 48 hours to my snot blowing, beer drinking dark side boys tell me what a wonderful game it was and how defense wins championships.I say bull$hit. LOL. Every dog has his day. Just give me a screen, a few more correctly read options and a couple of power reads by Cam to see if I can slow you boys down and give me a game worth watching beyond Gaga.
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Post by natenator on Feb 9, 2016 20:39:37 GMT -6
When you lose, don't lose the lesson. Cam will be better for it. Would have been interesting to see how Peyton would have handled losing after his very sub par performance (remember he was going to quit when they said he wouldn't be the starter even when healthy) but because of a terrific Bronco defense we will never know. Gives him a great chance to go out on top. Back to the game, would like to see no more two weeks between AFC/NFC champs and SB. Not sure how the quality of the game was different when only one week but I seem to remember that.A hall of famer announcer suggested that particularly the run defenses have an edge with the extra time to prepare and offenses get a little rusty. Demeo quoted Evander Holyfield in reference to Newton, "Everyone has a plan till they get hit". And that Cam didn't know how to win ugly. The dance away from the fumble reminds me of Roberto Duran's "No Mas" with Sugar Ray when everyone thought the "hands of stone" man was the toughest thing going.Denver looked em in the eye and got Carolina to blink first and despite all that still had a chance because of a woeful Bronco offense (or for my dark side buddies A Great Carolina defense) The worst thing (besides losing money) as an offensive guy I have had to listen for 48 hours to my snot blowing, beer drinking dark side boys tell me what a wonderful game it was and how defense wins championships.I say bull$hit. LOL. Every dog has his day. Just give me a screen, a few more correctly read options and a couple of power reads by Cam to see if I can slow you boys down and give me a game worth watching beyond Gaga. Actually, Mike Tyson gave gave quote .
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Post by leighty on Feb 9, 2016 20:58:43 GMT -6
If you're unsure how Peyton would have handled that situation, you haven't watched much football.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2016 21:02:12 GMT -6
If you're unsure how Peyton would have handled that situation, you haven't watched much football. He did storm off the field after losing to the Saints .....
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Post by leighty on Feb 9, 2016 21:13:10 GMT -6
If you're unsure how Peyton would have handled that situation, you haven't watched much football. He did storm off the field after losing to the Saints ..... For which he was criticized. He also gave this interview:
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2016 22:02:59 GMT -6
He did storm off the field after losing to the Saints ..... For which he was criticized. He also gave this interview: So, your point is that a 34 year old Peyton Manning with a Superbowl Victory (at that point) is more composed with the media after a loss than 26 year old Cam Newton. Ok, I will buy that. And I am willing to bet that a 34 year old Cam Newton probably won't be as polished with the media as Peyton Manning is either. My point was simply that you don't know how people will act in those situations. Would you have ever guessed that Peyton would have left the field without shaking Brees hand until it happened?
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Post by brophy on Feb 9, 2016 22:04:48 GMT -6
most of our kids aren't going to have to be coached up on post-game pressers. The salient thought on body language is that your team mates look to you / key off emotions. For gods sake, BE emotional, absolutely...but never demonstrate negative body language of defeat on the field.
Never give your opponent the satisfaction that they are beating you, that they've gotten into your head.
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Post by leighty on Feb 9, 2016 22:38:02 GMT -6
My point was simply that you don't know how people will act in those situations. Would you have ever guessed that Peyton would have left the field without shaking Brees hand until it happened? My point is when you're cashing fat ass checks, you need to act like a pro, regardless of how old you are or what game you just lost.
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Post by td4tc on Feb 9, 2016 23:36:04 GMT -6
My point was simply that you don't know how people will act in those situations. Would you have ever guessed that Peyton would have left the field without shaking Brees hand until it happened? My point is when you're cashing fat ass checks, you need to act like a pro, regardless of how old you are or what game you just lost. But Cam truly doesn't care about your point or what you think. That's just his way, love him or hate him. I'm guessing you're not sending a Valentine to my boy Johnny Manzel either. LOL
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Post by leighty on Feb 9, 2016 23:41:33 GMT -6
My point is when you're cashing fat ass checks, you need to act like a pro, regardless of how old you are or what game you just lost. But Cam truly doesn't care about your point or what you think. That's just his way, love him or hate him. I'm guessing you're not sending a Valentine to my boy Johnny Manzel either. LOL At some point what Cam does or doesn't care about is irrelevant. He's got an obligation to, at the very least, the guy who signs his check to not act like a schmuck. And I'm not sure I'd refer to an alcoholic abuser as "my boy."
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Post by td4tc on Feb 9, 2016 23:48:20 GMT -6
But Cam truly doesn't care about your point or what you think. That's just his way, love him or hate him. I'm guessing you're not sending a Valentine to my boy Johnny Manzel either. LOL At some point what Cam does or doesn't care about is irrelevant. He's got an obligation to, at the very least, the guy who signs his check to not act like a schmuck. And I'm not sure I'd refer to an alcoholic abuser as "my boy." I think the guy who signs his checks is pretty happy with the MVP performance this year and the trip to the Super Bowl and the fan adoration in Charlotte. As for Manzel, I sure hope he gets help. Was just trying to make you laugh but ....
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Post by fballcoachg on Feb 10, 2016 4:57:12 GMT -6
My point was simply that you don't know how people will act in those situations. Would you have ever guessed that Peyton would have left the field without shaking Brees hand until it happened? My point is when you're cashing fat ass checks, you need to act like a pro, regardless of how old you are or what game you just lost. When you're cashing huge checks you need to be a dog on the field and keep people in the seats and buying jerseys. i highly doubt any of us lost a super bowl let alone at 26, dude made a mistake but it truly is not a big deal at all. It's a "hey, you should have stuck it out, next time this happens this is how you handle it" from his boss next time they see each other then keep on moving. Being a professional athlete isn't some righteous occupation, guys have cameras on them at all times and perform in front of millions, a small slip up like this is blown up by millions who never have been or will be in that situation...everyone is allowed harmless errors and that's exactly what this was, HARMLESS.
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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 10, 2016 6:46:30 GMT -6
Let the man shower and get dressed into his gold Versace suit before parading him into a cage so the zoo visitors can lob tomatoes at him.
I mean when did the sports media become so powerful that all their demands need to be met? They are, right now, the least important that they have ever been. If you don't get your news from Twitter, you're slow and behind the times. If a player wants his story to be told, he can write for The Player's Tribune. There is literally not a need for a sports writer in today's world. I don't need some dinosaur to tell me what I already saw or could watch at another time. I actually find it refreshing that athletes have stonewalled these guys, and that probably stems from my love of Bobby Knight.
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