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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 8, 2016 14:37:12 GMT -6
Cam's body language has been dissected since he entered the league. I'm not sure we need to do this after a Super Bowl when we're rehashing the same material as before. The guy is emotional and that's pretty easy to see.
I will take the raw emotion of Cam Newton over the boring robot scripted Russell Wilson 8 days a week.
Football is entertainment, and I think the majority of us are forgetting that. I want my entertainers to be interesting.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 8, 2016 14:51:41 GMT -6
Football is entertainment, and I think the majority of us are forgetting that. I want my entertainers to be interesting. taking that one step further..... since NFL is more like pro-wrestling then anything else.... is it too far-fetched that the Carolina marketing staff asked Cam to act that way? he gets more media attention...its good for the org. and no one can argue that his actions atract more attention then if he got up there "id like to thank the coaches, and my teammates for the opportunity, we tried our best........".
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 8, 2016 14:56:49 GMT -6
since NFL is more like pro-wrestling then anything else.... is it too far-fetched that the Carolina marketing staff asked Cam to act that way? he gets more media attention...its good for the org. Yes, I believe that is too far-fetched.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 8, 2016 15:31:03 GMT -6
since NFL is more like pro-wrestling then anything else.... is it too far-fetched that the Carolina marketing staff asked Cam to act that way? he gets more media attention...its good for the org. Yes, I believe that is too far-fetched. really? if i had a guy who just by freaking out would cause HUNDREDS of press releases, profile clicks, website views. id do it.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 8, 2016 15:33:20 GMT -6
Yes, I believe that is too far-fetched. really? if i had a guy who just by freaking out would cause HUNDREDS of press releases, profile clicks, website views. id do it. You are basing this on the premise that the NFL is like Professional Wrestling. I don't believe that to be the case at all. In other news...I am surprised nobody has attributed this SB victory to the Drafting of Tim Tebow yet. I believe his presence was what led the Broncos to this point.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 8, 2016 15:47:06 GMT -6
really? if i had a guy who just by freaking out would cause HUNDREDS of press releases, profile clicks, website views. id do it. You are basing this on the premise that the NFL is like Professional Wrestling. I don't believe that to be the case at all. In other news...I am surprised nobody has attributed this SB victory to the Drafting of Tim Tebow yet. I believe his presence was what led the Broncos to this point. im actually basing it more on the fact that i live in the digital marketing space. ive seen "bad" things get turned into wins for an org before. but yes i fully believe that the NFL is about as real as Hulk Hogan....
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Post by jrk5150 on Feb 8, 2016 16:07:44 GMT -6
but yes i fully believe that the NFL is about as real as Hulk Hogan.... I just don't get that point of view. There is WAY too much money bet on the NFL for it to be anywhere near fixed. Do I think there is favoritism? For example do I think NFL refs are told to watch Gronk for PI? Yup. But that's all factored into the betting lines. The outcome being fixed? Not a chance. Can you just imagine?!? Every NFL owner would be sued to bankruptcy, not to mention tied to cement blocks and thrown in a river.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 8, 2016 16:32:05 GMT -6
but yes i fully believe that the NFL is about as real as Hulk Hogan.... I just don't get that point of view. There is WAY too much money bet on the NFL for it to be anywhere near fixed. Do I think there is favoritism? For example do I think NFL refs are told to watch Gronk for PI? Yup. But that's all factored into the betting lines. The outcome being fixed? Not a chance. Can you just imagine?!? Every NFL owner would be sued to bankruptcy, not to mention tied to cement blocks and thrown in a river. maybe WWF is abit much, because i dont fully believe the outcomes of games are fixed..... but all the off the field, on the field drama. who has "beef" with who, who says what at press conferences, who gets fined for what, who is known for what..... all that is calculated by VERY talented marketing groups.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 8, 2016 16:35:45 GMT -6
You are basing this on the premise that the NFL is like Professional Wrestling. I don't believe that to be the case at all. In other news...I am surprised nobody has attributed this SB victory to the Drafting of Tim Tebow yet. I believe his presence was what led the Broncos to this point. im actually basing it more on the fact that i live in the digital marketing space. ive seen "bad" things get turned into wins for an org before. but yes i fully believe that the NFL is about as real as Hulk Hogan.... So, to Clarify...you think that it is not far fetched to think that the Carolina Panther Franchise told Cameron Newton to act in a manner that would have HIM personally taken through the ringer so that he could be clickbait .... And, in doing so, He passed up numerous opportunities to give quotes that would have indeed been clickbait.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 8, 2016 16:37:49 GMT -6
im actually basing it more on the fact that i live in the digital marketing space. ive seen "bad" things get turned into wins for an org before. but yes i fully believe that the NFL is about as real as Hulk Hogan.... So, to Clarify...you think that it is not far fetched to think that the Carolina Panther Franchise told Cameron Newton to act in a manner that would have HIM personally taken through the ringer so that he could be clickbait .... And, in doing so, He passed up numerous opportunities to give quotes that would have indeed been clickbait. no one wants to see him be humble. its his persona, the media wants him to act the way he did. hence why the story of Peyton talking to him and being that "humble in defeat" is BURIED. and to make my point further, had he been humble and stood tall...we wouldnt be having this conversation. no one would have said anything.
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Post by natenator on Feb 8, 2016 16:41:28 GMT -6
So, to Clarify...you think that it is not far fetched to think that the Carolina Panther Franchise told Cameron Newton to act in a manner that would have HIM personally taken through the ringer so that he could be clickbait .... And, in doing so, He passed up numerous opportunities to give quotes that would have indeed been clickbait. no one wants to see him be humble. its his persona, the media wants him to act the way he did. hence why the story of Peyton talking to him and being that "humble in defeat" is BURIED. It's not your persona when it's who you are
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Post by 33coach on Feb 8, 2016 16:42:43 GMT -6
no one wants to see him be humble. its his persona, the media wants him to act the way he did. hence why the story of Peyton talking to him and being that "humble in defeat" is BURIED. It's not your persona when it's who you are has he ever had the chance to be himself in the spotlight? how do you know what he is actually like?
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Post by spartandefense on Feb 8, 2016 16:52:44 GMT -6
My three takes from SB50.
1. Carolina found out what a lot of us are finding out. If you run the spread the double eagle look (ala Va tech last yr against the buckeyes) is a b!tch to block zone against.
2. Man free is great way to combat zone read, rpos, and the wr screen game.
3. When the pressure is at it's highest levels true character is revealed. Cam had bad body language all game. This is why NFL guys do their detective work. Cam stole at florida, lied about it, and cheated academically (not once but three times). When he got banished to JC level rather than making 100% sure he wasn't going to do anything or be around anyone sketchy, his Dad shops him around for cash.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 8, 2016 17:04:48 GMT -6
3. When the pressure is at it's highest levels true character is revealed. Cam had bad body language all game. This is why NFL guys do their detective work. Cam stole at florida, lied about it, and cheated academically (not once but three times). When he got banished to JC level rather than making 100% sure he wasn't going to do anything or be around anyone sketchy, his Dad shops him around for cash. And when my hometown boy and two time opponent Peyton manning has bad body language.... And when NFL poster boy Tom Brady has Bad Body Language?
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Post by spartandefense on Feb 8, 2016 17:19:10 GMT -6
3. When the pressure is at it's highest levels true character is revealed. Cam had bad body language all game. This is why NFL guys do their detective work. Cam stole at florida, lied about it, and cheated academically (not once but three times). When he got banished to JC level rather than making 100% sure he wasn't going to do anything or be around anyone sketchy, his Dad shops him around for cash. And when my hometown boy and two time opponent Peyton manning has bad body language.... And when NFL poster boy Tom Brady has Bad Body Language? I don't see either of those two guys with bad body language on the Actual field. And after every drive for an entire game. I didn't see him trying to motivate his teammates at all. That last drive CAM shut it down. I won't even get into the fumble.
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Post by natenator on Feb 8, 2016 17:20:59 GMT -6
3. When the pressure is at it's highest levels true character is revealed. Cam had bad body language all game. This is why NFL guys do their detective work. Cam stole at florida, lied about it, and cheated academically (not once but three times). When he got banished to JC level rather than making 100% sure he wasn't going to do anything or be around anyone sketchy, his Dad shops him around for cash. And when my hometown boy and two time opponent Peyton manning has bad body language.... And when NFL poster boy Tom Brady has Bad Body Language? I guess the difference is they don't have a history of poor decisions and behavior stemming from many indiscretions of the past? By all accounts Ray Lewis today is not the person he was in 1999 and when he grew up but there are still a perception about him based on past incidences.
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Post by natenator on Feb 8, 2016 17:23:09 GMT -6
It's not your persona when it's who you are has he ever had the chance to be himself in the spotlight? how do you know what he is actually like? We're brothers.
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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 8, 2016 17:24:21 GMT -6
My three takes from SB50. 1. Carolina found out what a lot of us are finding out. If you run the spread the double eagle look (ala Va tech last yr against the buckeyes) is a b!tch to block zone against. 2. Man free is great way to combat zone read, rpos, and the wr screen game. 3. When the pressure is at it's highest levels true character is revealed. Cam had bad body language all game. This is why NFL guys do their detective work. Cam stole at florida, lied about it, and cheated academically (not once but three times). When he got banished to JC level rather than making 100% sure he wasn't going to do anything or be around anyone sketchy, his Dad shops him around for cash. Pressure at highest levels?? The guy is likely more decorated at this point in his career than anyone ever. 1. JUCO National Title after being forced to regain his reputation 2. NCAA National Title after being the center of an investigation 3. Heisman 4. #1 pick after being picked a part by several scouts and analysts for really no reason 5. NFL MVP after flat out dominating the league
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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 8, 2016 17:26:52 GMT -6
And when my hometown boy and two time opponent Peyton manning has bad body language.... And when NFL poster boy Tom Brady has Bad Body Language? I guess the difference is they don't have a history of poor decisions and behavior stemming from many indiscretions of the past? By all accounts Ray Lewis today is not the person he was in 1999 and when he grew up but there are still a perception about him based on past incidences. Another difference is likely that Archie Manning instilled great character into his sons. Cam Newton was dealt Cecil.
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Post by wolverine55 on Feb 8, 2016 17:41:28 GMT -6
And when my hometown boy and two time opponent Peyton manning has bad body language.... And when NFL poster boy Tom Brady has Bad Body Language? I don't see either of those two guys with bad body language on the Actual field. And after every drive for an entire game. I didn't see him trying to motivate his teammates at all. That last drive CAM shut it down. I won't even get into the fumble. I'm a as big a Tom Brady fan as anyone...but if you don't see him demonstrate bad body language on the field, you don't watch very closely...
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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 8, 2016 18:01:13 GMT -6
Real reason Cam didn't hop on....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 18:41:55 GMT -6
And when my hometown boy and two time opponent Peyton manning has bad body language.... And when NFL poster boy Tom Brady has Bad Body Language? I guess the difference is they don't have a history of poor decisions and behavior stemming from many indiscretions of the past? By all accounts Ray Lewis today is not the person he was in 1999 and when he grew up but there are still a perception about him based on past incidences. Peyton Manning doesn't have a history of poor decision's? Cam has been raked over the coals for the laptop, Peyton somehow got off pretty clean with his sexual assault of a student trainer at Tennessee, I guess that's not as bad as dancing or taking a laptop. I'm also sure if Cam had been named in a possible HGH investigation it would still be a consistent front page story. This thread is probably leading toward a dead end, more fan forum than the usual post here.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 8, 2016 18:43:08 GMT -6
I guess the difference is they don't have a history of poor decisions and behavior stemming from many indiscretions of the past? By all accounts Ray Lewis today is not the person he was in 1999 and when he grew up but there are still a perception about him based on past incidences. Peyton Manning doesn't have a history of poor decision's? Cam has been raked over the coals for the laptop, Peyton somehow got off pretty clean with his sexual assault of a student trainer at Tennessee, I guess that's not as bad as dancing or taking a laptop. I'm also sure if Cam had been named in a possible HGH investigation it would still be a consistent front page story. This thread is probably leading toward a dead end, more fan forum than the usual post here. yea, its probably lockable at this point. which was not my intention.
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Post by natenator on Feb 8, 2016 19:15:44 GMT -6
I guess the difference is they don't have a history of poor decisions and behavior stemming from many indiscretions of the past? By all accounts Ray Lewis today is not the person he was in 1999 and when he grew up but there are still a perception about him based on past incidences. Peyton Manning doesn't have a history of poor decision's? Cam has been raked over the coals for the laptop, Peyton somehow got off pretty clean with his sexual assault of a student trainer at Tennessee, I guess that's not as bad as dancing or taking a laptop. I'm also sure if Cam had been named in a possible HGH investigation it would still be a consistent front page story. This thread is probably leading toward a dead end, more fan forum than the usual post here. Very true. I had forgotten about that incident.
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Post by coachklee on Feb 8, 2016 19:30:41 GMT -6
I thought Denver's interior rush was great too. They have just enough of an ability to push the pocket from the interior that there wasn't anywhere for Cam to step up to. Add that to how quickly those ends could go from vertical to directly at the QB ... Game over. I second the Cam comment. What a baby. I saw the guy flailing on the ground like a toddler when the Carolina defense let the running back score the TD to seal it. "Hey jacka$$! You fumbled the ball at the fifteen and didn't even try to pick it up!" The gall. This was what disappointed me with Cam. How do you just stand there watching the ball roll around after YOU just fumbled it...why do you not find a block after Ginn reversed the field on that one screen and instead just watch him run by...just didn't seem like he had any real sense of urgency & I can't stand that out of a player. That & Von Miller was just the opposite. Like others pointed out he made plays that aren't included in his stat line of 2.5 sacks & 2 forced fumbles. He covered a few passes & tried to force a few other fumbles while also making the Panther OTs false start several times because they were trying to make sure they got great pass sets against him & Ware.
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Post by raymul313 on Feb 8, 2016 22:37:15 GMT -6
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Post by dman54 on Feb 9, 2016 8:20:44 GMT -6
Maybe a week from here We can look at the game as coaches. ...right now this thread is dead
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Post by silkyice on Feb 9, 2016 8:30:55 GMT -6
but yes i fully believe that the NFL is about as real as Hulk Hogan.... Please tell me you are not serious.
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Post by eaglemountie on Feb 9, 2016 10:39:57 GMT -6
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