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Post by coachphillip on Feb 8, 2016 8:42:17 GMT -6
I thought Denver's interior rush was great too. They have just enough of an ability to push the pocket from the interior that there wasn't anywhere for Cam to step up to. Add that to how quickly those ends could go from vertical to directly at the QB ... Game over.
I second the Cam comment. What a baby. I saw the guy flailing on the ground like a toddler when the Carolina defense let the running back score the TD to seal it. "Hey jacka$$! You fumbled the ball at the fifteen and didn't even try to pick it up!" The gall.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 8, 2016 9:31:58 GMT -6
To try to steer this to a coaching based thread as opposed to a fan based one--regarding Newton and the Panthers in general it might benefit teams and players to show them that for whatever reason, our public tends to LOVE to tear down athletes who don't appear stoic and don't fit their preconceived notions.
You can be jovial and a bit braggadocious but if you fail to deliver, be prepared for the backlash.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 8, 2016 10:05:39 GMT -6
I would love the irony if someone started a new topic today about parents/fans complaining about bad play calling and/or boring offenses
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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 8, 2016 10:07:29 GMT -6
Wade Phillips is getting all the credit but Bill Kollar is phenomenal with every DLINE that he comes in contact with.
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Post by craines10 on Feb 8, 2016 10:16:13 GMT -6
My 2 cents....
Carolina Defense was great last night...Denver defense was ELITE!!!!! Carolina OT's were abused all night...5 false starts on the tackles alone..In a run heavy offense 2nd & 12 3rd & 9 is never good...Carolina put the ball on the ground 4 times losing 3..Lets face it also...Carolina WR are #3 & #4 options on any other team...Denver has 2 All Pro CB with a darn good one in Roby in the nickel..I was calling for some form of screen all night...I didnt like how Mike Shula called that game..Through all their mistakes it was a 10-7 game for the longest..they had a shot. Denver was the better team last night.
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Post by John Knight on Feb 8, 2016 10:23:51 GMT -6
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Post by silkyice on Feb 8, 2016 10:25:51 GMT -6
Best thing you have ever said on this board.
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Post by John Knight on Feb 8, 2016 10:26:01 GMT -6
and 25 holding calls!
Frigging Quote Box SUX!
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Post by coachcb on Feb 8, 2016 10:59:06 GMT -6
Both teams put on a true defensive clinic last night. Coverage, tackling, shedding, angles: they were as fundamentally sound as you can possibly be. Denver's DL did a fantastic job of staying in their pass-rushing lanes to limit Cam Newton's big plays.
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Post by funkfriss on Feb 8, 2016 11:05:53 GMT -6
Another overlooked factor: Colquitt averaged 45.6 yards per punt, usually pinned Ginn Jr. to sideline (three returns for two yards). Denver's only PR went for 61 yards. Broncos were 3-for-3 on FGs, Panthers 1 of 2. YEP! Last night's game was a CLINIC on field position. I think the Panthers could have even overcome the -2 TO margin had Cam's 2 sack fumbles been at midfield rather than deep in Car territory. The 61 yd punt return was the other play. Take away those 3 plays and everybody is talking about how dominate the Carolina defense was instead as they hoist the trophy.
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Post by WingTheT on Feb 8, 2016 11:06:57 GMT -6
The best part of this game was Lady Gaga singing the National Anthem. who knew she actually had a voice? Who knew she had a face? I thought her skin only consisted of heavy make-up, glitter, and anything you randomly find at a grocery story and taped to your body
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Post by funkfriss on Feb 8, 2016 11:07:27 GMT -6
Newton showed us all the reason why people view him as a brat Really? I never thought that at all through the entire game.
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Post by jrk5150 on Feb 8, 2016 11:13:05 GMT -6
Agree but it happens to the best of them especially when it costs a TD in a low scoring affair. I guess I am sour as an offensive guy that the offences were so bad. And I know the dark side guys will say that's because the defences were so good but you still gotta have some answers in a game of this magnitude. i just dont understand NFL offenses. i dont understand why carolina couldnt play the short game. Denver was sending 5 or 6 constantly, its time to throw some 3 step, run draws/traps/screens...something. you cant expect to throw verts every down and win...... Ask Brady how well the short game works against Denver. That is an elite defense. Granted, I think the Pats would have beaten them anywhere but Denver, but that doesn't really matter. I wouldn't say that early non-overturn was a bad call. I don't believe the ball touched the ground, but you could not see the tip of the ball when he first hit the ground (his hand was under the ball, but with the angle you lost site of the hand and the tip of the ball), so they couldn't say for sure it wasn't on the ground. And the ball was moving around enough if it did touch the ground it was incomplete. Again - I don't think it did, but I have to admit you couldn't see the tip of the ball and whether it was on or off the ground, which means you cannot overturn the call. I think the call would have stood regardless of which way it went. And with the ball bouncing all around in his arms, not sure the ref could have made any other call there seeing it live. So yes, I think it was a completed pass, but that is one of the few instances where I think the missed call wasn't a bad call, if that makes sense.
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Post by funkfriss on Feb 8, 2016 11:16:09 GMT -6
Boo to you guys. That Denver defense was a lot of fun to watch. i like how simple it is. they were not doing anything special or confusing. just pin your ears back and play ball. one thing i found interesting, was that their DE's get upfield FAST. i kept looking for a trap.... Yes and no. I know it's not trap or power, but Carolina did run a decent number of option plays (I'd guess around 8-10, but not sure on the exact number). On these plays you could tell the DEs were Cam players the whole way. They were very disciplined, NEVER too far up field and NEVER bit on the inside run which was why a couple of the bigger runs Carolina did have came on the gives (Tolbert's fumble being one of them). I remember only one time Cam kept it on an option and he was dropped for loss. As I've said in past posts regarding the option/read, the best way to stop it IMO is to take away who THEY WANT to have the ball. As a defense would you rather it be Cam or Fozzy Whitaker? Exactly....
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Post by John Knight on Feb 8, 2016 11:16:37 GMT -6
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Post by natenator on Feb 8, 2016 11:36:15 GMT -6
Newton showed us all the reason why people view him as a brat Really? I never thought that at all through the entire game. 1) wouldn't go after his own fumble 2) hissy fit tantrum in the endzone after being hit 3) press conference The fumble thing REALLY bothered me. He gave up on his team in that moment.
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Post by blb on Feb 8, 2016 11:55:57 GMT -6
I have seen QBs injure shoulders-arms diving to recover a fumble so I told ours not to do it during practice.
Perhaps Cam has been so instructed and his instincts-training took over.
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Post by funkfriss on Feb 8, 2016 11:59:39 GMT -6
Really? I never thought that at all through the entire game. 1) wouldn't go after his own fumble 2) hissy fit tantrum in the endzone after being hit 3) press conference The fumble thing REALLY bothered me. He gave up on his team in that moment. Seems like you were hunting for evidence for your preconceptions. Nope, never seen other MVP QBs not lay their bodies on the line for a fumble, tackle, etc. Nope, never seen other MVP QBs let frustration come out (or hissy fit if you will) And did you watch or listen to the press conference? F the media!! All they want is to bait athletes to give damning answers so they can twist them around and make them look bad. Did you hear the last question he was asked before walking out? Paraphrased, "I know you're frustrated with yourself, but you also have to be frustrated with the way your teammates played considering you say you guys are a Band of Brothers and all." Translation, "Cam can you give me a quote where you throw your teammates under the bus so I can confirm everybody's beliefs that you are in love with yourself and think your s*** don't stink." BTW, make that guy old and white and you've got a Bill Belechik press conference.
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Post by natenator on Feb 8, 2016 12:03:51 GMT -6
1) wouldn't go after his own fumble 2) hissy fit tantrum in the endzone after being hit 3) press conference The fumble thing REALLY bothered me. He gave up on his team in that moment. Seems like you were hunting for evidence for your preconceptions. Nope, never seen other MVP QBs not lay their bodies on the line for a fumble, tackle, etc. Nope, never seen other MVP QBs let frustration come out (or hissy fit if you will) And did you watch or listen to the press conference? F the media!! All they want is to bait athletes to give damning answers so they can twist them around and make them look bad. Did you hear the last question he was asked before walking out? Paraphrased, "I know you're frustrated with yourself, but you also have to be frustrated with the way your teammates played considering you say you guys are a Band of Brothers and all." Translation, "Cam can you give me a quote where you throw your teammates under the bus so I can confirm everybody's beliefs that you are in love with yourself and think your s*** don't stink." BTW, make that guy old and white and you've got a Bill Belechik press conference. Seems like you're making assumptions about how I perceive him. I have no problem with his dancing and gamesmanship but don't sulk when things don't go your way. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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Post by brophy on Feb 8, 2016 12:09:58 GMT -6
body language lessons?
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Post by natenator on Feb 8, 2016 12:12:19 GMT -6
I don't care what anyone says, that is just disgusting
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 8, 2016 12:13:25 GMT -6
Seems like you're making assumptions about how I perceive him. I have no problem with his dancing and gamesmanship but don't sulk when things don't go your way. Live by the sword, die by the sword. While I understand what you are trying to say, I think that is just what being emotional is. HIGH peaks and low valleys. As I mentioned, America doesn't seem to like that in our QB position.
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Post by funkfriss on Feb 8, 2016 12:29:52 GMT -6
Seems like you were hunting for evidence for your preconceptions. Nope, never seen other MVP QBs not lay their bodies on the line for a fumble, tackle, etc. Nope, never seen other MVP QBs let frustration come out (or hissy fit if you will) And did you watch or listen to the press conference? F the media!! All they want is to bait athletes to give damning answers so they can twist them around and make them look bad. Did you hear the last question he was asked before walking out? Paraphrased, "I know you're frustrated with yourself, but you also have to be frustrated with the way your teammates played considering you say you guys are a Band of Brothers and all." Translation, "Cam can you give me a quote where you throw your teammates under the bus so I can confirm everybody's beliefs that you are in love with yourself and think your s*** don't stink." BTW, make that guy old and white and you've got a Bill Belechik press conference. Seems like you're making assumptions about how I perceive him. I have no problem with his dancing and gamesmanship but don't sulk when things don't go your way. Live by the sword, die by the sword. "Newton showed us all the reason why people view him as a brat "
"The fumble thing REALLY bothered me. He gave up on his team in that moment. "
Sorry, tried to put 2 and 2 together and got 5. And you're absolutely right!! Stay composed when things get tough. Tell these guys...
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Post by coachcb on Feb 8, 2016 12:56:37 GMT -6
body language lessons? I will avoid Newton-trashing as this could be a great thread about learning and coaching. I would have no problem showing various Cam Newton clips to players in order to convey how you DON'T react to losing. Kids need to know that how you do or do not react in a bad situation affects the whole team. Honestly, the outcome of this game may have been different if Newton had kept his composure and LED his team the way he's done in the past. And, it's also a life lesson for kids. Life's a bearcat, you're going to have struggles in your life; athletically, professionally, etc.. Do you want to be remembered as the guy that threw a tantrum or the guy that took on the adversity and did their best to overcome it?
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 8, 2016 13:02:51 GMT -6
coachcb I agree 100% As I mentioned, part of this is appears to just be the free spirited nature. Emotional Peaks, Emotional Valleys. "Manny Being Manny" to pull up an ESPN cliche. As coaches I think it is important to show players what happens to guys who celebrate, brag etc and then fail to deliver, exhibit poor body language, and make critical but extremely visible mistakes (the fumble play). Our sports loving culture LOVES to chew those people up and spit them out. Educating young athletes as to what to expect is part of a coaches job.
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Post by eaglemountie on Feb 8, 2016 13:23:26 GMT -6
I have seen QBs injure shoulders-arms diving to recover a fumble so I told ours not to do it during practice. Perhaps Cam has been so instructed and his instincts-training took over. Its the SUPER BOWL... Not buying it...
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Post by John Knight on Feb 8, 2016 13:24:52 GMT -6
However, Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning saw things differently.
"I'll tell ya', Cam couldn't have been nicer to me," the 39-year-old athlete told TODAY Monday morning. "He was extremely humble, congratulated me, wished me the best. I told him just congratulations on his outstanding season, and just what a great future he has ahead of him. He'll be back in that game, I can promise you."
Despite the brusque press conference, Manning, the oldest quarterback to ever win the Super Bowl according to Sports Illustrated, told TODAY that Newton "was extremely humble, congratulated me, wished me the best."
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Post by eaglemountie on Feb 8, 2016 13:31:24 GMT -6
However, Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning saw things differently. "I'll tell ya', Cam couldn't have been nicer to me," the 39-year-old athlete told TODAY Monday morning. "He was extremely humble, congratulated me, wished me the best. I told him just congratulations on his outstanding season, and just what a great future he has ahead of him. He'll be back in that game, I can promise you." Despite the brusque press conference, Manning, the oldest quarterback to ever win the Super Bowl according to Sports Illustrated, told TODAY that Newton "was extremely humble, congratulated me, wished me the best." He realized it was important to give Peyton his respect... What about the rest of the game, players, coaches, fans, media, etc.? The last two weeks it was all about the flash, the dabs, the extreme talent and you either hate him or you love him talk... Don't throw a tantrum... Be a pro and earn your huge paycheck... All those kids he influences, gives football to and that worship him... How do they think they should act after a big loss now?
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Feb 8, 2016 13:42:14 GMT -6
1) wouldn't go after his own fumble 2) hissy fit tantrum in the endzone after being hit 3) press conference The fumble thing REALLY bothered me. He gave up on his team in that moment. Seems like you were hunting for evidence for your preconceptions. Nope, never seen other MVP QBs not lay their bodies on the line for a fumble, tackle, etc. Nope, never seen other MVP QBs let frustration come out (or hissy fit if you will) And did you watch or listen to the press conference? F the media!! All they want is to bait athletes to give damning answers so they can twist them around and make them look bad. Did you hear the last question he was asked before walking out? Paraphrased, "I know you're frustrated with yourself, but you also have to be frustrated with the way your teammates played considering you say you guys are a Band of Brothers and all." Translation, "Cam can you give me a quote where you throw your teammates under the bus so I can confirm everybody's beliefs that you are in love with yourself and think your s*** don't stink." BTW, make that guy old and white and you've got a Bill Belechik press conference. Super Bowl = dive on the freaking ball... I woke the dead yelling at the TV... Here is an example of a guy who sacrificed and it was NOT the SB
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Post by John Knight on Feb 8, 2016 14:22:54 GMT -6
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