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Post by freezeoption on Dec 3, 2015 18:13:27 GMT -6
There had to be some scheming going on to get this to happen. If a 17 year old doesn't know what the age of consent is now a days then they must not be very smart. Kids know all the years that they have to reach to be able to do stuff, don't be fooled by that, I've seen more of this crap then I care too, had a very good wrestler in my school who brought his girlfriend over to his house, had several guys there practicing and they had a gang bang, it got out what happened, school wouldn't let him compete in the state championships his senior year, hope that tail was worth it, I got my first head coaching job right out of college because the hc before me couldn't keep it in his pants, had a kid in this area that was a seventeen year old football player that had sex with a 14 yr old, it was all over the national news with that internet group going after him, consequences for your actions
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 3, 2015 19:22:33 GMT -6
The last page or so is EXACTLY what I meant when I said "I don't think it is the coach's place to make a moral judgement on the charges" A whole bunch of people squabbling over things that for which they have zero influence. larrymoe took us down this road by deciding that since he didn't think the particular crime was "a big deal" he would play the kid. From there, about 3 pages worth of arguing a law that we can not change, or details of case we can not judge. I really don't understand that. It seems very simple to me, you either play kids who are arrested with misdemeanor charges, or you don't play them. But I just strongly disagree with making a personal preference based decision on how you feel about the law. I also think all those pages arguing personal beliefs on these type of laws are missing a much more pertinent issue to us as coaches. In this case, the Superintendent said he would be eligible, but that does not mean the coach HAS to play him. Would you??
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Post by natenator on Dec 3, 2015 21:30:53 GMT -6
In this case, the Superintendent said he would be eligible, but that does not mean the coach HAS to play him. Would you?? Not a chance and I'd be willing to quit or be fired if told I HAD to play him.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 3, 2015 21:35:08 GMT -6
What am I missing then here? It seems as though you're either a judgmental prude or a hands off liberal. (I'll own the judgemental prude title too btw based on my own comments on the subject) This is literally the first time in my life I've been called a liberal.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 3, 2015 21:40:06 GMT -6
There had to be some scheming going on to get this to happen. If a 17 year old doesn't know what the age of consent is now a days then they must not be very smart. Kids know all the years that they have to reach to be able to do stuff, don't be fooled by that, I've seen more of this crap then I care too, had a very good wrestler in my school who brought his girlfriend over to his house, had several guys there practicing and they had a gang bang, it got out what happened, school wouldn't let him compete in the state championships his senior year, hope that tail was worth it, I got my first head coaching job right out of college because the hc before me couldn't keep it in his pants, had a kid in this area that was a seventeen year old football player that had sex with a 14 yr old, it was all over the national news with that internet group going after him, consequences for your actions I'm 39 years old and I have absolutely no idea of any age of consent law at my current age. And for those of you trying to perceive me as some sort of swinging dick, I didn't personally have sex until I was 24 and it was with my future wife. Heck, I didn't go on a date between 18 and 24.
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Post by fantom on Dec 3, 2015 21:51:18 GMT -6
There had to be some scheming going on to get this to happen. If a 17 year old doesn't know what the age of consent is now a days then they must not be very smart. Kids know all the years that they have to reach to be able to do stuff, don't be fooled by that, I've seen more of this crap then I care too, had a very good wrestler in my school who brought his girlfriend over to his house, had several guys there practicing and they had a gang bang, it got out what happened, school wouldn't let him compete in the state championships his senior year, hope that tail was worth it, I got my first head coaching job right out of college because the hc before me couldn't keep it in his pants, had a kid in this area that was a seventeen year old football player that had sex with a 14 yr old, it was all over the national news with that internet group going after him, consequences for your actions I'm 39 years old and I have absolutely no idea of any age of consent law at my current age. And for those of you trying to perceive me as some sort of swinging dick, I didn't personally have sex until I was 24 and it was with my future wife. Heck, I didn't go on a date between 18 and 24. I doubt that most kids know that there is an age on consent.
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Post by olinedude on Dec 3, 2015 22:12:42 GMT -6
I think that underestimates what kids know these days.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 5:24:41 GMT -6
Naive.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 4, 2015 6:04:49 GMT -6
What am I missing then here? It seems as though you're either a judgmental prude or a hands off liberal. (I'll own the judgemental prude title too btw based on my own comments on the subject) This is literally the first time in my life I've been called a liberal. That may be, but in this case it absolutely fits the current understood definition and your statements.
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Post by coachrdc on Dec 4, 2015 7:47:01 GMT -6
I think that underestimates what kids know these days. This. Keep in mind too that if these two did what they were arrested for 50 years ago, they law would have come after the girl's dad for what he did to them. Times change. Personally, I'd never put myself in that situation, but if I was, I'd rather have Barney Fife come after me with handcuffs than a p!$$ed off dad with a shotgun.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 4, 2015 11:40:33 GMT -6
I think that underestimates what kids know these days. This. Keep in mind too that if these two did what they were arrested for 50 years ago, they law would have come after the girl's dad for what he did to them. Times change. Personally, I'd never put myself in that situation, but if I was, I'd rather have Barney Fife come after me with handcuffs than a p!$$ed off dad with a shotgun. Cmon. Stop. This "50 years ago this stuff didn't happen" stuff has to stop. People act like sex or menage trois are something that's been invented recently. It probably happened just much. The difference? Media.
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Post by freezeoption on Dec 4, 2015 17:31:55 GMT -6
your kidding if you don't think they don't know the age of consent with all the news
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Post by silkyice on Dec 5, 2015 8:42:45 GMT -6
This. Keep in mind too that if these two did what they were arrested for 50 years ago, they law would have come after the girl's dad for what he did to them. Times change. Personally, I'd never put myself in that situation, but if I was, I'd rather have Barney Fife come after me with handcuffs than a p!$$ed off dad with a shotgun. Cmon. Stop. This "50 years ago this stuff didn't happen" stuff has to stop. People act like sex or menage trois are something that's been invented recently. It probably happened just much. The difference? Media. I think you are misreading this. I think he is saying the dad would have beat/killed the boys before the law ever got to them, not that stuff like this never happened 50 years ago.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 5, 2015 8:46:02 GMT -6
your kidding if you don't think they don't know the age of consent with all the news I literally did not know that a high schooler could get in trouble with the law for having sex with another high schooler until I was probably about 30. I can completely believe those kids didn't know it was against the law. You think those kids watch the news? But them not knowing or knowing doesn't really change anything about this discussion.
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Post by freezeoption on Dec 5, 2015 9:51:23 GMT -6
there might be a slight chance they didn't know, but I bet they knew, just didn't think they would get caught, I knew in high school, I think most of the kids in my town knew, I don't care, they broke the law, I don't like the what if, if you don't know for certain then don't do it, if this was 50 or more year ago, since a guy brought this up, they probably would be hurtin, so I guess you could say they are lucky, I have seven children, six are adopted, they have always tried to pull stuff over my eyes, esp my adopted children, I start off saying if your doing something that is wrong you will pay for it, you may get away with it a couple of times, but it will come back to bite you in the arse and it will be bad when it does,
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Post by fantom on Dec 5, 2015 11:33:15 GMT -6
there might be a slight chance they didn't know, but I bet they knew, just didn't think they would get caught, I knew in high school, I think most of the kids in my town knew, I don't care, they broke the law, I don't like the what if, if you don't know for certain then don't do it, if this was 50 or more year ago, since a guy brought this up, they probably would be hurtin, so I guess you could say they are lucky, I have seven children, six are adopted, they have always tried to pull stuff over my eyes, esp my adopted children, I start off saying if your doing something that is wrong you will pay for it, you may get away with it a couple of times, but it will come back to bite you in the arse and it will be bad when it does, Dude, what the phok are you talking about?
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Post by freezeoption on Dec 5, 2015 11:47:40 GMT -6
i'm saying kids know more than we give them credit for
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 5, 2015 13:30:44 GMT -6
Again, I see much of this discussion seems better fit for the comments section in an online news account of the events. Discussing whether or not :
the kids new the law it was consensual it was multiple partners it shouldn't be against the law the kids were selfish etc.
all really doesn't seem to fit this board. I would think this dicussion should be around points like :
--Superintendent says they are eligible, does that dictate a coach's decision --Should a coach have a cut and dry policy involving arrests, or should he evaluate them on a case by case basis? --Is this a subject HS coaches should discuss/educate their players on, or is that overstepping bounds?
would all be better uses of this forum
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 17:27:24 GMT -6
To the question of the superintendent saying he is eligible is a cop out for any hc, sorry! Yes when it comes to being arrested.6
If you have the best interest of your players in mind. That those kids are your program.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 31, 2015 17:03:05 GMT -6
Just an update--Kid was arrested again this week. This time chargers were careless operation of motor vehicle and flight from an officer.
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Post by blb on Dec 31, 2015 17:14:21 GMT -6
Just an update--Kid was arrested again this week. This time chargers were careless operation of motor vehicle and flight from an officer.
What "Kid" are you referring to - one in OP?
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 31, 2015 17:22:38 GMT -6
I make a point to tell my guys every off off season what the laws are regarding age of consent as well as the laws concerning the distribution of child pornography.
All our kids will break both these laws to one extent or another, but hopefully the mere mention and education keeps it from causing a problem such as this.
There are studies that simply educating a young male to the cost of raising a child born to a teen age pregnancy will significantly decrease the likelihood of teenage sex.
Should parents be doing this? Hades yes, but then go look at all the "parent...." Threads here.....
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Post by blb on Dec 31, 2015 17:34:15 GMT -6
To put this in perspective - I had a JV coach who said "A stiff d!ck has no conscience."
Or brain, either.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 31, 2015 18:12:34 GMT -6
Just an update--Kid was arrested again this week. This time chargers were careless operation of motor vehicle and flight from an officer.
What "Kid" are you referring to - one in OP?
Yes, the boy who was arrested in the OP was arrested again this week.
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Post by airraider on Jan 21, 2016 21:51:55 GMT -6
The kid is now enrolled at LSU... About a month after this arrest.. He was arrested again for speeding and flight from an officer..
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Post by CoachD on Jan 22, 2016 12:55:11 GMT -6
Would not play for me. But that's just me.
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Post by airraider on Jan 22, 2016 15:49:13 GMT -6
If he grows up he could be the next big name.. 6'0 260 and ran a 4.49 in the 40...
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Post by 60zgo on Jan 22, 2016 19:09:45 GMT -6
Yeah. Lots of guidance in Baton Rouge.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 22, 2016 19:35:00 GMT -6
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