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Post by mariner42 on May 14, 2015 10:30:39 GMT -6
Apologies to Mariner42 for highjacking the thread. Honestly, wasn't a serious thread to begin with, it's whatever
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Post by rudyrude9 on May 14, 2015 10:33:51 GMT -6
I'll be on the field behind the safeties this summer. Settle down RoCro. This isn't Friday night.
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Post by John Knight on May 14, 2015 10:38:08 GMT -6
The center does not need to be there to snap the ball!! That is just silly, I don't want him to get in the habit of snap, look between his legs and then just watch the play, I also don't think he should be practicing his snap and sets while the rest of the hogs are at the pool! Let some manager or volunteer jock sniffer do that!
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Post by fantom on May 14, 2015 10:42:23 GMT -6
fantom because you can't do it on Friday night. I don't think I'd mind if you stood behind the offense. I really don't. It's the 5 guys standing between the safeties that causes the issue. A lot of things happen in 7 on 7 that don't happen on Friday night. For one thing, the QB doesn't consistently get eight...err, four seconds to throw.
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Post by coachphillip on May 14, 2015 10:46:31 GMT -6
As a defensive guy, I loved the post about all the big berthas behind the secondary. You're absolutely right. Only guy I understand being back there is a DB coach maybe.
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Post by fantom on May 14, 2015 10:57:30 GMT -6
As a defensive guy, I loved the post about all the big berthas behind the secondary. You're absolutely right. Only guy I understand being back there is a DB coach maybe. When we're at practice and I control it I like to send a post route right at them.
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Post by RoCro23 on May 14, 2015 12:06:37 GMT -6
John Knight we have in the past taken our center. In the system I was in we went no huddle and went very fast. Almost like conditioning for him and yes, I agree, there are some bad habits he can fall into but that's the case with every position. It has it's positives as well. There's no Man-Eater lined up over him but a bad snap is a bad snap so he has something to work on and it gives him a little pressure to deal with (if you make it out of pool play, that is).
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Post by RoCro23 on May 14, 2015 12:10:15 GMT -6
rudyrude9 But you won't be able to see their eyes. smh. Now, get off the field. Honestly, this has made my day. Lol. Thanks guys. I needed this.
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Post by John Knight on May 14, 2015 12:10:49 GMT -6
I don't like making him go do that when the other lineman are not involved. It is not real football and no real pressure so they are fake reps for him in my book. Kinda like being a shot guy in track, let him drive to the meet or leave with his parents. No one should have to stick around all day for that crap!
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Post by RoCro23 on May 14, 2015 12:15:07 GMT -6
Our guys liked it. Made them feel part of it/something. They have a job to do, they have to move fast, and they celebrate with everyone else when we score. Do you guys do the OL challenge things? If so, what's the best one you seen?
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Post by fantom on May 14, 2015 12:15:17 GMT -6
I don't like making him go do that when the other lineman are not involved. It is not real football and no real pressure so they are fake reps for him in my book. Kinda like being a shot guy in track, let him drive to the meet or leave with his parents. No one should have to stick around all day for that crap! We take our centers for one very good reason: The boss wants to take them. Actually, this year there's a valid reason. We graduated a two year starter and there are three guys working for the job so every rep they get is good for them.
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Post by RoCro23 on May 14, 2015 12:17:11 GMT -6
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Post by jgordon1 on May 14, 2015 12:23:41 GMT -6
Just to stir things up a bit... Could we get MORE defensive coaches on the field for 7 on 7??!!?? It's just great to have the DC, the LB coach, the 2 DB coaches, the middle school DC learning the system all STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD 5 yards beyond the safeties JUST LIKE THEY DO ON FRIDAY NIGHTS!! Really helpful for young QBs to see 7 kids and 6 adults in ball caps with their bellies hanging out to teach him about reads. (Y'all look like the most unathletic bunch of ***** trying to "run", if that's what you want to call it, out of the way when the ball comes at you). Why can't you guys coach from the sidelines?? Is that unpossible?? Stand behind the offense?? Stand behind the defense?? How about stand on the sidelines until the HSL allows you to stand on the field on game days. You want to see their eyes? One of the best DCs I've ever met always commented on where our teams eyes were during a play. Something he noticed from standing on the sidelines watching our teams play. If you can't see their eyes from the sidelines you need glasses. How do you know where their eyes are during games? Better yet, just stand on the numbers like you do during the game! Never met a DC yet that could stay in the box. 7 on 7 is NOT football. It's competition. I think my work here is done. First round's on me if we ever do meet up at a clinic. I'll be the one in the visor. Discus... btw What are the dates for the Brazil clinic??? yup, you need to run a post down the middle and take out the DB coach. I'm standing behind the offense..sometimes I take a knee on the LOS
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Post by RoCro23 on May 14, 2015 12:33:04 GMT -6
I need to stand where I can watch my QB drop. Like right in front of your Mike backer. (I'm anticipating that you're gonna tell him to run my arse over so tell him to get a good head of steam. At 6'6" 250, he'll need to be moving pretty good)(Or I could scamper away the way the Defensive coaches do. Honestly, it's like watching circus bears amble around).
Also, since I want my younger kids to learn I'm going to line up the other wide outs on the LOS. They won't go out once the ball is snapped. They'll just kneel down, like you ask your 8th defender to do. Good luck lining up to my 7 wide formation.
Now, I'm just piling on.
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Post by wolverine55 on May 14, 2015 13:41:24 GMT -6
To go along with the post about the team taking a knee...this is a story I heard about my current program although I wasn't on board yet. They were at Iowa St. for a tournament and it was sort of a time/down combination for the game, not sure of the exact format. Anyway, it came down to the last drive and the only way my program's team could win was to get an interception on the last drive, so to ensure this didn't happen, the other team threw the ball straight out of bounds four plays in a row.
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Post by coachphillip on May 14, 2015 13:44:22 GMT -6
I'll bite. The real reason I stand behind the offense during 7on7 is so that I don't get blinded by the glare off the offensive staff's waxed legs and neon shoes.
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Post by coachphillip on May 14, 2015 13:45:10 GMT -6
I always liked giving OL the day off.
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Post by natenator on May 14, 2015 13:59:46 GMT -6
Winning a 7-on-7 has the be the special Olympics equivalent
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Post by RoCro23 on May 14, 2015 14:07:17 GMT -6
To go along with the post about the team taking a knee...this is a story I heard about my current program although I wasn't on board yet. They were at Iowa St. for a tournament and it was sort of a time/down combination for the game, not sure of the exact format. Anyway, it came down to the last drive and the only way my program's team could win was to get an interception on the last drive, so to ensure this didn't happen, the other team threw the ball straight out of bounds four plays in a row. My son played on a basketball team when he was 6 or 7. There was no 10 second violation for not bring the ball across half court + a no press rule. So the other team's coach told his team not to bring the ball past half court. Our kids couldn't press so they just stood at half court and looked at the officials and at the coach. Unfortunately, this world is full of idiots. Our team beat them later for the Championship. We all make mistakes and have bad days but don't coach your kids on how NOT TO compete.
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Post by spartandefense on May 14, 2015 14:26:02 GMT -6
I have a question for the offensive guys (rocro judging by your responses you are one of them), why install plays or an offense just for 7on7. Especially the Wing T guys. I cant tell you how many times I have seen Wing T teams run the spread in 7on7. Why waste practice time on that for 7on7?
One time we played a really good split back veer team in 7on7 in pool play and shut them out. We play them in the championship and the coaches had drawn cards with spread plays on them. It was bizarre.
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Post by RoCro23 on May 14, 2015 14:36:30 GMT -6
spartandefense Can't help you there. We never ran anything we didn't do on Friday nights. I hate that too. Thanks for the guru status tag though. Played a team twice at a 7 on 7 and had a college coach ask me "Are you ever going to call a different play?" I told him "Not till he get's out of 1 high". We just kept running 4 vertical. We killed them both times. The guy just wouldn't change defenses. I'm about to start another thread called "How to Speak on Defense at a clinic". It begins with "We base out of the (name your defense here) BUT WE'RE MULTIPLE! I CAN BRING 'EM FROM EVERYWHERE!".
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Post by fred on May 14, 2015 19:22:56 GMT -6
Ok so I was the DC standing in the way for a long time. That was until during pregame when the 5' 115 lb WR scout reciever ran a post route at me. I had turned to answer a question from one of my DBS and felt him coming. My natural reaction was to raise my arm just as he hit me. Needless to say he was looking at the ball and unprepared and went heels over head. After the game the opposing coach asked me what the scout reciever did to piss me off. I decided after that to stand further back during team and I squat on the LOS during 7v7 during practice.
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Post by gian3074 on May 14, 2015 20:06:51 GMT -6
This year one of the coaches on my team told me that the previous year he thought another one of our opponent's QBs sucked in the 7on7. When we actually played them they threw maybe 5 times because they ran it down our throats. As a staff we see 7on7 tournaments in a little different light now.
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Post by gian3074 on May 14, 2015 20:08:40 GMT -6
Ok so I was the DC standing in the way for a long time. That was until during pregame when the 5' 115 lb WR scout reciever ran a post route at me. I had turned to answer a question from one of my DBS and felt him coming. My natural reaction was to raise my arm just as he hit me. Needless to say he was looking at the ball and unprepared and went heels over head. After the game the opposing coach asked me what the scout reciever did to piss me off. I decided after that to stand further back during team and I squat on the LOS during 7v7 during practice. In one of our scrimmages from last year an opposing player used me to set a pick on a post route!
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Post by RoCro23 on May 15, 2015 7:30:11 GMT -6
Ok so I was the DC standing in the way for a long time. That was until during pregame when the 5' 115 lb WR scout reciever ran a post route at me. I had turned to answer a question from one of my DBS and felt him coming. My natural reaction was to raise my arm just as he hit me. Needless to say he was looking at the ball and unprepared and went heels over head. After the game the opposing coach asked me what the scout reciever did to piss me off. I decided after that to stand further back during team and I squat on the LOS during 7v7 during practice. In one of our scrimmages from last year an opposing player used me to set a pick on a post route! Nice.
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Post by fasterthanthefly on May 15, 2015 8:28:30 GMT -6
In a 7on7 tournament a few years ago we were playing a Double-Tight/Double-Wing team. They were passing out of their base set for the majority of the time, which I was impressed with thinking..."great job being who you really are in a 7's tourney!" Anyway, we are near the end of our game with them and they are at about the 20 yd line and we are winning pretty securely and I have younger kids in. They run a 7 step drop, both wings run arrows to the sideline, both TE's run short corners, the fullback delays after taking one step to the left and then run's a deep middle go-route for a wide open TD. Which left me thinking, how would he even get through the line with toe-to-toe splits, how would they pass protect a 7 step drop, have they ever really run that in a game??? We won so I shrugged it off and ultimately our MLB should have seen him coming, but wow...was that middle of the field WIDE OPEN!! By-the-way...Mazzone's offense has only averaged 35+ points a game once season in the three years he has been there, and that three year average is south of 35ppg. The other two years they were close to it though, but if that's your calling card...
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Post by fshamrock on May 20, 2015 8:46:46 GMT -6
We have state tournament, it is brutal. Last spring we were in a tournament that can qualify you to go to state. It was a pool play tournament and the top two qualify, but it gets confusing because if a team has already qualified for state at a previous tournament then they don't count, even if they get first or second. So we went about .500 in the tournament and were pretty sure that another school had qualified and we didn't. Man we were pumped, until they come over to tell us we qualified. We argued that another school did and we didn't, so there was a meeting that went like this. us: "great job coaches, you guys are going to STATE" them: "hell no we didn't, you guys are IN for sure, congratulations" us: "no, no, no..you guys are really good and we suck, have fun over there!"
and back and forth it went...everybody knows that 7on7 sucks
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Post by rsmith627 on May 20, 2015 9:18:46 GMT -6
We have state tournament, it is brutal. Last spring we were in a tournament that can qualify you to go to state. It was a pool play tournament and the top two qualify, but it gets confusing because if a team has already qualified for state at a previous tournament then they don't count, even if they get first or second. So we went about .500 in the tournament and were pretty sure that another school had qualified and we didn't. Man we were pumped, until they come over to tell us we qualified. We argued that another school did and we didn't, so there was a meeting that went like this. us: "great job coaches, you guys are going to STATE" them: "hell no we didn't, you guys are IN for sure, congratulations" us: "no, no, no..you guys are really good and we suck, have fun over there!" and back and forth it went...everybody knows that 7on7 sucks I don't know if there are any South Park fans here, but this reminds me of when the kids keep trying to lose in baseball and it's a battle between the different teams to see who can try less and lose.
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Post by fantom on May 20, 2015 10:15:19 GMT -6
Just to stir things up a bit... Could we get MORE defensive coaches on the field for 7 on 7??!!?? It's just great to have the DC, the LB coach, the 2 DB coaches, the middle school DC learning the system all STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD 5 yards beyond the safeties JUST LIKE THEY DO ON FRIDAY NIGHTS!! Really helpful for young QBs to see 7 kids and 6 adults in ball caps with their bellies hanging out to teach him about reads. (Y'all look like the most unathletic bunch of ***** trying to "run", if that's what you want to call it, out of the way when the ball comes at you). Why can't you guys coach from the sidelines?? Is that unpossible?? Stand behind the offense?? Stand behind the defense?? How about stand on the sidelines until the HSL allows you to stand on the field on game days. You want to see their eyes? One of the best DCs I've ever met always commented on where our teams eyes were during a play. Something he noticed from standing on the sidelines watching our teams play. If you can't see their eyes from the sidelines you need glasses. How do you know where their eyes are during games? Better yet, just stand on the numbers like you do during the game! Never met a DC yet that could stay in the box. 7 on 7 is NOT football. It's competition. I think my work here is done. First round's on me if we ever do meet up at a clinic. I'll be the one in the visor. Discus... btw What are the dates for the Brazil clinic??? Well we try to stand behind the offense but visor guys always gawk at us like we are wearing "registered sex offender" signs around our neck. Guys who worry about us listening to their plays probably think that we give a phuk about winning the 7-on-7.
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Post by John Knight on May 20, 2015 11:29:47 GMT -6
I'm going to get me a visor and see if it makes me feel like I'm the smarterest coach in the world too.
Yeah but as a DC I guarantee you will wear the sucker backwards!!
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