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Post by coachjr on Feb 24, 2014 19:17:38 GMT -6
I am a veteran Head Coach. I understand swearing happens and I have done so myself over the years. I am joining a new program (as an ASSISTANT) and I have heard the "F" bomb and "GD" more times in two weeks at lifting than I did previously in the last 20 years with our program. I can live with some swearing but have never allowed or said the words mentioned above to a player or team. Our HC has been a head coach for 4 years and was an assistant prior to that time. Am I over reacting to this or have times changed where this is just accepted by the majority of schools and coaches?
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 24, 2014 19:41:22 GMT -6
Our HC is old school. No swearing is allowed.
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 24, 2014 19:43:54 GMT -6
Never allow them to swear at each other, but to me trying to police something that their parents probably allow at home is a losing battle...
As you said, you would never say it TO a player, but have you never used it around a player? To me there is a subtle difference, some communities/individuals would disagree (I am in Utah for crying out loud...) but I have noticed that some of the "best people" have the most foul-mouthed and sneaky/thieving little sh!ts around.
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 24, 2014 19:51:41 GMT -6
Our HC allows it within reason. As cqmiller said, never at each other. But, if a kid blows a play and drops an F bomb we'll correct him, but it isn't likely to earn him a punishment.
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Post by jg78 on Feb 24, 2014 19:56:07 GMT -6
I don't allow it, especially F-bombs. The kid would be punished for that. But most of the time I just say "Watch your language" if it's in the heat of battle or an isolated incident. But if a player seems to have a habit of it, I will address it with him.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Feb 24, 2014 20:03:11 GMT -6
We do 10 push-ups for any swears, practice, Weightroom etc. believe it or not it's gotten to the point where the kids police themselves and call each other out for swearing.
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Post by carookie on Feb 24, 2014 20:50:53 GMT -6
If a kid drops a "Sh--" or "As-----" I'll tell him to watch his language, just to let him know to try and clean it up and remember we are at a school. And regardless of your personal feelings about foul language (which has been discussed here ad-nauseum) ; there are places in situations in life where certain language is expected, and as a mentor and teacher I should help to teach them to understand and be successful in these situations.
One I've heard a lot lately is "F@G", I've put a stop to this real quick. I've told the kids that I can put up with most foul language slip up except for "racist terms and foul words that start with 'F'."
Whether or not you agree I think its a good place to draw a line, especially in our litigious society.
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Post by fb4life08 on Feb 24, 2014 20:59:51 GMT -6
I always correct poor language and the F Bomb and GD are not allowed. I've been in situations where the kids will use language in front of admin, and I want to make sure the kids are being corrected by me before administration. I also agree with the previous poster that correcting something that isn't being corrected at home is a losing battle. But, I still expect discipline in their language when it is football time. Lack of discipline there leads to lack of discipline elsewhere.
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Post by jsk002 on Feb 24, 2014 21:13:31 GMT -6
The older I get, the more I realize that it is important to set an example for the kids. I don't think I want a team of guys running around and dropping the "F bomb" or saying "GD" is what I want. So I am much more aware of what I say. Certainly, I am not perfect nor is our team. If it becomes excessive then, I'll make a kid do 10 push ups or something like that. If start slipping myself a little bit, then the kids will let me know and I'll do push ups or gassers or something like that.
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Post by coachplaa on Feb 25, 2014 9:59:46 GMT -6
No F-bombs, its an automatic "wheel spin" for us after practice. I can always tell when a kid lets one slip because everyone gets quiet and looks at the coaches to see if they heard it. They won't snitch on each other but they love to see their teammates spin the wheel. Any other bad language, including put downs, is auto 10 pushups on the spot. As far as I'm concerned, poor language is a lack of discipline and shows ignorance. We are coaching/teaching kids, so why would we want to role model poor language. Coaches must spin for all F-bombs as well.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Feb 25, 2014 10:08:07 GMT -6
We give our players the "don't be A-holes," speech in regard to this. Don't swear at us coaches, and don't swear if there are youth practices going on around us/be adults, etc. We pretty much let them say whatever they want. If that occurs in one of the situations we outlined where it isn't OK, the whole team has extra conditioning. We're very lenient, but bring the hammer down when our few exception rules are broken.
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Post by Inthesticks on Feb 25, 2014 10:19:56 GMT -6
I am a veteran Head Coach. I understand swearing happens and I have done so myself over the years. I am joining a new program (as an ASSISTANT) and I have heard the "F" bomb and "GD" more times in two weeks at lifting than I did previously in the last 20 years with our program. I can live with some swearing but have never allowed or said the words mentioned above to a player or team. Our HC has been a head coach for 4 years and was an assistant prior to that time. Am I over reacting to this or have times changed where this is just accepted by the majority of schools and coaches? That would bug me too and it puts you in a tough spot. Times have changed, but that is no excuse and that language shouldn't be allowed. Obviously there will be slip ups but constant abusive language needs to be addressed. You might have to be the one to address it the best you can situationally.
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Post by lyons on Feb 25, 2014 11:11:37 GMT -6
I tell our players that I understand that cussing is normal in their everyday lives but if they go to their job and use that language, they will get into some trouble if not lose their job. We do push ups if they cuss and they do more for GD. I the HC will do push ups if I cuss. I try not to but it has slipped and I understand that.
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Post by irishdog on Feb 25, 2014 11:59:04 GMT -6
My program is all about respect. I don't allow vulgarities of any kind, nor do I allow taking the Lord's name in vain at ANY time. If they cuss at themselves in practice or a game for making a mistake I just tell them to watch their language. If it becomes a habit it becomes disrespectful, and I meet with the player and let him know if it continues he'll be held accountable. If they direct a curse at anyone I'm all over that immediately because it IS disrespectful, and goes completely against what we're about.
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Post by dytmook on Feb 25, 2014 14:13:45 GMT -6
Heat of the of the battle it doesn't bother me, but I try to reign it in. I try to behave myself, not always easy but I never cuss at a kid or call them names.
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Post by tigercoach11 on Feb 25, 2014 14:47:18 GMT -6
I am not perfect and I let some slip from time to time and so do my players. I firmly believe my players understand the difference of letting one slip out of frustration of a missed assignment in practice or an injury, and talking like idiots in public or using the f-word every other word. They know they are to never cuss eachother out in frustration and they dont use foul language when in public and representing our team/when a game official is addressing them about anything/ or opposing players and/or coaches are addressing them.
I am trying to do several things, and expecting them to be choir boys is not one of them. I am responsible for helping them develop into respectable members of our society (respectable not perfect) and understand there are different times for different mentalities. I am also trying to create a physical violent football team and we practice/train as such. I believe a sound minded adult can decipher what is appropriate in certain situations and what is not.
If a kid has a personal/religious choice not to cuss at all we also encourage and respect that. My QB is like that and he runs our team. My best LB is the type thatll fight you for looking at him wrong. He has learned to control it but still be violent....just my take
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 25, 2014 15:12:49 GMT -6
I can only hold others to standards that I hold myself to personally. I curse way too much to chastise my players for cursing. There are obviously times where they cross the line and they know it.
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Post by germanjohn on Feb 25, 2014 15:20:24 GMT -6
I am a veteran Head Coach. I understand swearing happens and I have done so myself over the years. I am joining a new program (as an ASSISTANT) and I have heard the "F" bomb and "GD" more times in two weeks at lifting than I did previously in the last 20 years with our program. I can live with some swearing but have never allowed or said the words mentioned above to a player or team. Our HC has been a head coach for 4 years and was an assistant prior to that time. Am I over reacting to this or have times changed where this is just accepted by the majority of schools and coaches? I don't understand why this has to be pontificated upon. If they're in a high-pressure situation and they swear, let it go unless it becomes a habit. If they're cursing at each other out of anger, punish. If they're cursing at each other, punish. If they curse with each other in non-confrontational situations, (i.e. "Man, that essay Mrs. So-And-So gave us is such a ****ing pain"), use discretion. My mom always tells me whenever I'm working on something around the house and I get frustrated- "What is cursing going to fix?" Well, for me, it helps me blow off steam and vent. It actually does provide a therapeutic effect for me when I'm on mental overload. They're human, you're human. They're not perfect little angels, neither are you. If how much you curse is a measure of how good a person you are, then I'm Joseph Stalin. But if you hear me during practice and our worst kid is coming in last during sprints, and i'm running behind him screaming "DON'T YOU LET HIM F***ING BEAT YOU AGAIN. PUSH IT OUT" about the kid in front of him by a hair, I'll be damned if I'm not doing what any good coach is supposed to do.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 26, 2014 9:54:46 GMT -6
I am a veteran Head Coach. I understand swearing happens and I have done so myself over the years. I am joining a new program (as an ASSISTANT) and I have heard the "F" bomb and "GD" more times in two weeks at lifting than I did previously in the last 20 years with our program. I can live with some swearing but have never allowed or said the words mentioned above to a player or team. Our HC has been a head coach for 4 years and was an assistant prior to that time. Am I over reacting to this or have times changed where this is just accepted by the majority of schools and coaches? We don't "allow it" or enforce punishment for when it happens. Unless a parent complains. . I'm of the belief that there are no 'bad' words. Only bad intentions, anyone can make any word a bad word..it's all in how you use it. Sent from my VS980 4G using proboards
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Post by Send_the_House on Feb 26, 2014 10:02:12 GMT -6
I didn't read through this thread, I only read the original post.
But, no. We do not allow cussing from our players or our coaches. I do not care what is said at home. You are not saying it here.
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Post by smu92 on Feb 26, 2014 10:11:28 GMT -6
We are in the same boat as Send_The_House. Neither our players, nor our coaches are allowed to use profanity in the fieldhouse, on the field, or anywhere else they might be expicitly representing our program.
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Post by CS on Feb 26, 2014 10:18:54 GMT -6
We do 10 push-ups for any swears, practice, Weightroom etc. believe it or not it's gotten to the point where the kids police themselves and call each other out for swearing. I do something similar but instead of push ups its push up position for an extended period of time
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Post by coachg13 on Feb 26, 2014 10:50:46 GMT -6
I think it's unrealistic to demand no swearing when you are together as a team in a high-stress environment. If you let one slip that's one thing, but if you're kids are cussing up a storm in social situations, in the hallways, in class, etc where they are representing your program in front of "outsiders", admin, faculty, that needs to be dealt with IMO.
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Post by s73 on Feb 26, 2014 10:55:49 GMT -6
My stance has always been that I let "guys be guys". To me that means if it happens once in a blue moon I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it.
On the other hand if we look trashy and classless, that's not happening.
I guess an example that I'm talking about might be if a kid screws up in a drill and you can hear a little something under his breath, then so be it. In my mind, at least he cares. On the other hand, somebody screws up and screams the F-bomb or just generally talks that way, that's not happening. It's pretty much the way I talk I guess. I forget something for school & I might quietly talk out loud "oh sh*t". But if i'm screaming expletives then somebody please punch me in the face. JMO.
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Post by dodson10 on Feb 26, 2014 10:58:38 GMT -6
It's realistic to expect them to find another word to use at the time. I used to have a problem with language and I found other words to use that help me to vent frustrations. God bless America does well for me when I get mad and nobody is going to get onto me for saying it. I was raised by an old school coach and we didn't cuss. Any cuss word was 50 pushups on the spot. F bomb was 200. If a kid was hurt and he cussed there was some leniency. But if a kid cusses each time he gets mad I don't believe that's acceptable. We have plenty of kids who do that where I'm at and they know if they are heard they will do pushups. If our supt. is on the sideline and a kid cusses like a sailor he will wonder why we are letting that go on. And then he will wonder whether or not we are fit to do our job. I believe we are helping to them to become young men, and not cussing is something that is lost on the current generation. Not saying I'm right, just what I believe.
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 26, 2014 11:17:08 GMT -6
Here in the land of Zion... "substitutions" are used all of the time and it drives me nuts!
"Fudge you" "Bull shoot" "What the frick?"
To me, you are swearing even though you are not saying the actual word. Your intent is still there and honestly it sounds even dumber than just saying the f'ing word in the first place. This isn't the thread to go into all of that in detail, but I am a big believer in the intent of the message rather than the message itself. I've had mormon coaches that are guys I would never play for again because everything is "what the frick?" or some other "clean" version of swearing about nothing, where I have had coaches that I love and would play for again no questions asked who would say things like, "knock him on his @$$" or use a "naughty word" in his coaching method that is not used in a negative way or toward a player in a demeaning manner.
Is there really a difference between a player saying "Freak yeah!" loudly after a play and one saying "F_ck yeah!" after the same play... to me there isn't.
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Post by smu92 on Feb 26, 2014 11:25:04 GMT -6
Great story from this season: We are playing AT our 2nd biggest rivals' place. This is #2 vs #3 in the state in a game that always gets VERY HEATED. Our superintendent notices someone on our sideline midway through the game that he doesn't know. This man has two children with him, and they all have sideline passes. The superintendent strikes up a conversation with him. The man tells him that he is a local pastor in the town we are visiting, and he never misses a home game. My superintendent then asks why he chose to stand on the visiting sideline. Priceless response coming... The man says "There's no way I could let my children stand on the home sideline with all of the things our players and coaches say, but I knew they could stand by your team without me having to worry at all about what they would hear." For me, this just reinforced the things that we do with our kids. Teach character. Teach right and wrong. Teach your young men to be classy at all times. It does make a difference. It certainly let our superintendent walk taller that night (not to mention we reeled off 31 unanswered points to win after being down 17-0 . Ask our superintendent what he will do for our program when we represent our school district like this. I love that story.
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Post by dodson10 on Feb 26, 2014 11:26:33 GMT -6
So are you saying dangit and d@mnit are essentially the same thing? I'm saying kids should use better language, not necessarily a substitute. If a kid says shoot when he gets mad it's sure a lot better than the alternative? I'm not saying that cussing makes a person bad or that i've never done it, but I'd rather a kid find a better alternative. Our taliback yelled the F word this year at a basketball game after getting his 5th foul. I was at the scorers table and cringed when I heard it. I'm not a basketball coach this year, but I kept thinking about the repercussions for that kid. He's a great athlete so what if a college coach would have been there to watch him play. I know it's going to happen on occasion, but I'd rather the F word not be the first word out of their mouth when they do something good or bad.
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Post by CS on Feb 26, 2014 11:34:14 GMT -6
I think it's unrealistic to demand no swearing when you are together as a team in a high-stress environment. If you let one slip that's one thing, but if you're kids are cussing up a storm in social situations, in the hallways, in class, etc where they are representing your program in front of "outsiders", admin, faculty, that needs to be dealt with IMO. If it's not ok in front of other people than why is it ok when you are together? It sets a double standard.
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Post by unc31 on Feb 26, 2014 11:52:58 GMT -6
No we do not, players or coaches. If that makes me "old school" then so be it.
My opinion is that if you cannot discipline yourself in your manner of speech then you can't discipline yourself in other areas either. What does being "old school" have to do with not using profanity? If a kid uses the F word on the field and an official hits him with a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty the coach is going to be jumping up and down and raising cain at the kid. Problem is, it is the coach who allowed it in the first place.
Would you be ok with your kids talking that way around the principal or school board members? What about in front of the Boosters and their wives and children? When coaches come in to recruit your kids is it ok for them to be dropping F bombs, Mf's and GD's while they are talking to them?
Biggest question is what does using profanity benefit the team or the player?
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