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Post by nltdiego on Dec 25, 2013 20:47:21 GMT -6
Guys, I'm reflecting as coach and reviewing how we watched film. Our kids go in a at 8 and lifted for 30 jobs or so. We watched games with kids from 9-1030/11. Here were are few issues; -sometimes not all Ida there- work, sat classes, etc - was first time as coaches we saw film - not sure kids were completely engaged for 2 hours
Looking for new ways or strategies that seen to work. Thoughts?
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Post by realdawg on Dec 26, 2013 5:48:28 GMT -6
We watch the previous game with our kids before practice on Monday. Watch for about an hour. Its all they can stand. Watch opponents film on Tuesday and Thursday during wt. lifting class.
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Post by coach2013 on Dec 26, 2013 5:52:58 GMT -6
I agree, an hour is about all we really get out of some of the kids.
Ultimately film study makes better players and much better coaches- the coaches should digest that film intensely!
We do have some marathon film sessions (2 hours plus) and I will absolutely hammer some kids who kill us all game long.
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Post by bluboy on Dec 26, 2013 7:45:21 GMT -6
We play Friday nights and bring in the players on Saturday morning at 8:30. We have a quick weight room workout and then only those who played in the game watch the previous game's film. Since we use HUDL, we only watch film one day as a team; this is Wednesday after practice. We split up (offense/defense) and watch about 20 minutes of film.
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Post by blb on Dec 26, 2013 7:48:52 GMT -6
We watch game film Sunday evening 5 pm. View each play at least twice. Give kids a 2-3 minute break at halftime to stretch legs, use rest room, get a drink.
Then watch 15 minutes or so of trade film on opponents so they can get a visual (especially those going to be on Scout Offense).
Usually done by 6:30 pm, never go beyond 7 pm.
Kids are only excused if they have a church obligation.
We also watch opponents' film after Pre-Game meal on Friday.
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Post by lions23 on Dec 26, 2013 8:43:56 GMT -6
A couple of things we have done to reduce the marathon sessions.
We watch game film immediately after the kids leave on Friday. It's all ready late our wives and kids are in bed. We watch till about 1. Kids don't come back till later. If we are in town about ten. If we traveled 11. Our thoughts are recovery is improved by letting them sleep. We get to have breakfast with our families too and we often bring our kids and let them play in the gym or help with laundry. Give mom/wife a break. We watch specific game issues-D&D. QB LBer reads. Missed cAlls. Missed assignments. Missed tackles. We watch issues that everyone can learn from. If you watch position by position on each play old school style you lose kids. Position coaches over the weekend do a short presentation about 10-12 clips of 7-8 plays where technique was used well and praise the hell out of it. They include 4-5 instances where improvement is needed and address what should have been done. Email it to kids. They have to come ready to discuss on Monday. They watch it because we included their highlights too. As coordinator I make a giant presentation for staff meeting on Sunday. It includes. Alignment assignment adjustments. D&D tendencies and formation tendencies. I only show this part to kids on Monday before practice. Then there is top runs and how we will attack. I only show this part on Tuesday to kids. Then there is top passes and how we will attack. I show this to kids on Wednesdays. Each presentation breaks down to about 15 minutes and that as much as kids can take sometimes they are shorter. The film aligns directly with focus of practice so their is an immediate association for the kids. It helps them anticipate for practice which helps execution which boosts confidence. Making it in the presenter format helps me organize. Also if I have a school obligation one of the assistants can do it. I can share with coaches and players who can review at their convenience.
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Post by jg78 on Dec 26, 2013 9:02:20 GMT -6
I like to watch our film for about 30 minutes before practice on Monday and our opponent's film for about 30 minutes before practice on Tuesday. I will already know the things that need to be pointed out to the players in each film session. We go through it pretty quickly and I hit those points. Doesn't take long.
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Post by calhoun44 on Dec 26, 2013 9:17:23 GMT -6
A little of topic but can anybody give some insight on how to keep the kids attention, our film days always feel like an epic waste to our staff. We have tried to enforce paying attention with extra running, calling them out in front of the team etc. we even started making them turn off cell phones and place them on a desk in the front of the room. Nothing has worked and they get nothing from the session IMO. We have seriously considered not doing team film and just monitoring hudl activity so we don't waste practice time. Any ideas guys
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 26, 2013 9:18:16 GMT -6
we watch film by position groups - we have hudl so we use classroom computers with projectors. since we are in small groups ad position specific, it goes much faster. there are many clips that we simply watch & move on. if nothing happened of significance to that group, no reason to harp on it.
saturday - watch the game. takes about an hour, hour & 15. again, we really aren't watching the whole game monday - 15 minutes of film prior to practice. we have it so that players have 5 minutes after school is dismissed to be in their "meeting room" (classroom where their position will watch film). this film session is usually a 'highlight' of the opponent. but really it is more of an install of the game plan/scouting report. tuesday - 15 minutes of film prior to practice. watch monday's practice film wednesday - 15 minutes of film prior to practice. watch tuesday's practice
we send everything via hudl as well. our kids understand that they can make great improvement by learning from film. we use tape as our #1 teaching tool. our kids believe in watching themselves as a way to improve and we constantly brag on improvement.... we try to find a way to tie it back to how they learned from watching themselves on film.
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Post by jg78 on Dec 26, 2013 14:09:27 GMT -6
A little of topic but can anybody give some insight on how to keep the kids attention, our film days always feel like an epic waste to our staff. We have tried to enforce paying attention with extra running, calling them out in front of the team etc. we even started making them turn off cell phones and place them on a desk in the front of the room. Nothing has worked and they get nothing from the session IMO. We have seriously considered not doing team film and just monitoring hudl activity so we don't waste practice time. Any ideas guys Keep team film sessions short and maybe call in a kid to explain something to him individually and show him on film what he didn't do quite right in the game and then go over it at practice.
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Post by coach335 on Dec 26, 2013 17:42:10 GMT -6
With a limited staff (2 college students[myself and LB coach] and all 4 coaches off-campus coaches) I (defensive coordinator/OL coach) come in every day at lunch Monday-Thursday before class (12:10-12:45) and show the team of the week's film. By sunday night/monday morning, i have already decided the gameplan defensively but know offense well enough to tell offensive players who are key players on the opposing defense and common coverages based on formation and what we are going to expect. As the DC also, I come into the film room early and schedule the day by day schedule of how we are going to plan for each formation. example for this year:
"Team: Del Mar Monday: Doubles (Cover 1) Tuesday: Trips (Cover 4) Wednesday: Far Wing Strong (Cover 3 Cloud) Thursday: Simulated game Friday: Gameday" (FYI,We won this game 7-0)
^^^ this will be on whiteboard on that monday of lunch film session. Once we have enough film (usually after week 2), we will watch a different film of the team everyday and I will be very interactive with them during film. Having already dissected the film, I try to put into their head what tendencies really stand out.
We will do that all week with film during lunch. Then on friday while the JV game is playing we will get VERY interactive with film with players calling out the play that's expected to come based on formation tendencies. We will draw the formations on the white board before the film session and have 1 DL,LB,and DB write the most common play they do out of each formation then what their responsibility is in that coverage and/alignment.
You would be surprised how much some of your players get into the film and recognize the tendencies like you if you really interact and be persistent with it during the film sessions.
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Post by coach335 on Dec 26, 2013 17:44:58 GMT -6
oh yeah,We watch our game film from the previous friday night on Monday before practice. The kids really enjoy seeing themselves playing so they're much more focused and attentive to see and learn. we will finish that film in an hour.
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Post by lions23 on Dec 26, 2013 20:31:47 GMT -6
44-you should treat it just like teaching classroom. Every 15 minutes I am switching activities and try to work in movement. Working in movement is even easier for football coaches. Check stance alignment hand placement etc. if you are leaving kids in a dark room and in a desk for longer than 15 mins buoy are asking for trouble.
Also be prepared. You wouldn't walk into a classroom without objectives and lessons planned. Don't do it for football.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Dec 27, 2013 12:54:09 GMT -6
We as coaches watch film of the game we just played on Friday night. We go through it and as we see particular plays that have things that should be pointed out, we write them down. Before film on Saturday mornings, coordinators put together a playlist of what we wrote down from the night before. This will typically be about 15-20 plays. We typically will have notes on them as well. So when we watch film with the kids, we just watch a those select plays and point out things that need attention - some good and some mistakes to correct.
We do the same for opponent film. Defensively I make a playlist of their top 3 run plays out of their top formations and top 3 pass plays. I also incorporate any trick/unusual plays as well. It too will be about 15-20 plays. We watch this with them Monday after school before practice.
By doing it like this we try to reduce the amount of time in the film room but maximize what we are doing with that time. It also serves well to hold attention.
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 27, 2013 14:13:40 GMT -6
We watch film with the team on Saturday morning. Can't do it on Sunday because it is a Mormon religious day and they aren't allowed to do anything.
We bring them in at 8, split them into 2 groups for an hour. Each group spends 30 minutes doing light conditioning (ran by the captains) and our strength coach lifts with each group for a half hour.
At 9:00 they're in the classroom and we try to have them out by 10:30 so they can go enjoy their weekend. It isn't ideal, but it's all we can really do unless we want to watch after school and before practice. We decided as a staff that we'd rather have the previous week wrapped up and start watching the opponent come Monday.
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Post by coach2013 on Dec 27, 2013 14:19:03 GMT -6
Do any of you feel that seven days a week is too much? Even NFL and college guys get one day off a week usually.
We do not require anything on Sundays.
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 27, 2013 14:52:09 GMT -6
Do any of you feel that seven days a week is too much? Even NFL and college guys get one day off a week usually. We do not require anything on Sundays. I think 7 is too much. We go 6, and I am starting to think that is too much. I know of some programs who don't do anything over the weekend, and they're fairly successful with it.
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Dec 28, 2013 12:25:54 GMT -6
We watched it Saturday morning after the game at about 10:00. They had breakfast for them, usually someone from booster club provided it. The linemen lifted for 30 mins, backs and rec watched gfilm, flipped afterwards. Watched opponents on Mondays, the varsity first, while JV lifted then flipped. Worked well..
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Post by coachphillip on Dec 30, 2013 15:30:41 GMT -6
We watch film individually on Saturdays. The HC/OC and I will get together and hammer out a game plan outline. The entire staff comes in Sunday having already watched the film. We meet for about an hour and talk about the plan and practice week. The kids watch a presentation we put together for them on Monday with our game review and a scout tape breakdown. It takes about an hour. We then go through a walkthrough of the game plan on the field for about 40 minutes.
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Post by nltdiego on Dec 31, 2013 10:03:56 GMT -6
We watch the previous game with our kids before practice on Monday. Watch for about an hour. Its all they can stand. Watch opponents film on Tuesday and Thursday during wt. lifting class. Realdawg, So your kids don't come in on Saturday? How did that work?
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Post by cenglish56 on Dec 31, 2013 10:28:44 GMT -6
Wtih kids: Half an hour Tuesday and half an hour Thursday. One hour (specific things) on Saturday. In addition with hudl we send certain things to each position group for that weeks opponent.
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Post by realdawg on Jan 1, 2014 7:44:28 GMT -6
Our kids do not come in on Saturday. Never have, and as far as I know, there is no one around here who brings their kids in on Saturday. Our staff meetings are Saturday morning at 9. Works fine for us, but then I've never known it any other way.
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Post by btex0127 on Jan 2, 2014 22:23:25 GMT -6
Saturday 20 min total, defense 10 min top 5 run plays, top 5 pass plays. Offense base defense vs what we do. Monday 30 min total defense gets 15 offense 15. Defense shows what we are working on for the day, offense we do base on what we work on for the day Tuesday 30 min same Wednesday 20 min offense does blitz package, defense trick plays, if they do anything tricky on special teams we add 5 min. Thursday we do walk thru after we will watch film usually about an hour.
realdog, we lift on Saturday as well.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Jan 3, 2014 7:34:37 GMT -6
We go 6 days, I think 7 is too much. Mon we watch clips from sat's game and then watch our next opp for 20 min. Next season I want to get an extra session on thurs.
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Post by gibbs72 on Jan 3, 2014 14:02:12 GMT -6
Our kids do not come in on Saturday. Never have, and as far as I know, there is no one around here who brings their kids in on Saturday. Our staff meetings are Saturday morning at 9. Works fine for us, but then I've never known it any other way. The only thing we've ever you saturday for is to bring people in for treatment of injuries. I think it's good to give kids the weekend off to recharge and to give coaches as much time with their families as possible
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Post by btex0127 on Jan 3, 2014 17:00:47 GMT -6
Gibbs been on staffs that did not bring in kids, choose to bring them in myself. I feel it gives us a chance for a head start. The same stuff we show them is packaged and sent to the kids on hudle. As for family we get off around 4 this past season and then come back Sunday for about 4 hours give or take. During the week practice film is what takes so much time, not for kids but for coordinators.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 18:25:47 GMT -6
I see the validity of bringing the kids in for 6 days, but after doing a 5 day schedule I would never wanna go back. I think the extra time wears on kids especially at the end of the season IMO.
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Post by coachphillip on Jan 4, 2014 12:19:42 GMT -6
I see the validity of bringing the kids in for 6 days, but after doing a 5 day schedule I would never wanna go back. I think the extra time wears on kids especially at the end of the season IMO. I tried the 6 day schedule one year. A lot of kids didn't show up. A lot of the ones who did were banged up and could've used the rest. I'm open to trying it again, I just don't see how it doesn't wear on them. I'm willing to admit that the year in question was one where the staff didn't have nor did we deserve the respect and trust of our kids. That probably had more to do with the burnout and lack of effort than the schedule.
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Post by btex0127 on Jan 4, 2014 15:38:27 GMT -6
We go thru a 30 min quick workout, then film and ice baths. They are out 1 1/2 hours after coming in. Plus helps us to make sure they don't do something stupid after the game either.
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Post by smu92 on Jan 5, 2014 0:35:26 GMT -6
Coaches watch/grade video 1st thing Saturday morning. Kids come in to lift & run @ 8:30 (JV coaches do this while varsity coaches finish grades, stats, etc...). We break up into position groups & watch the previous night's game @ 9:30(ish). We make sure to get the kids out as fast as we can. We never keep them past 10:30.
During the week each coach is responsible for getting video time with their position group. We never watch video "as a team." Most of us watch practice video as soon as our kids are showered/dressed after practice (Hudl Mercury gets it loaded fast enough to be able to do this). The defensive players watch opponent video on a set schedule. Monday/Wednesday they watch video at lunch in their position coaches' classrooms while they eat (20-25 minutes). Tuesdays the 1st two defensive units watch video together from 7:15-755. This video is broken up by situation, formation, etc... We use this time to get everyone on the same page when it comes to tendencies, checks, etc...
when it's all said and done, our kids probably get 2.5-3.5 hours of video time with their coaches each week. We also send specific cut ups to our players for independent study.
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