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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 21:00:49 GMT -6
or you can just not answer the question...just sayin.... this is the way i use Huey..I wake up, take a crap, walk my dog, get a bowl of cereal (not necessarily in that order) and click on "new Topics"....usually I look at the question, if I'm interested I look..if i see a reply by someone I respect, I look...if not I just move on..if I have a question, i search Google...if I can't find it or don't like the answers..I ask J, I agree, to a point. My point is, this is a DISCUSSION board, not necessarily a question and answer board. Would anyone disagree with that? My problem is the lack of discussion and the mundane question and answer sessions that go on. Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but there used to be some dang good, and sometimes even heated discussions on here. Now, when I hit "New Topics" it's almost a ho-hum of cookie-cutter question and answers. I know the board is free, so you get what you pay for, but I guess I'm just bored and wanna discuss football, not answer a bunch of "What do I do if this" questions. I know I don't have to answer these, but dangit man, I'd like to talk some football! P.S.- I hope taking a crap doesn't come 1st on your list (since you said it might not be in that order), b/c doing that before you wake up gets you kicked outta the bed!!!! ;D Duece
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 28, 2012 21:47:58 GMT -6
J, I agree, to a point. My point is, this is a DISCUSSION board, not necessarily a question and answer board. Areed..that is why I don't understand some of the suggestions regarding trying to really segment the board. Nothing would stymie discussion more than dividing up the board. Where does one stop? A 4-2-5 board specifically for teams with left handed 3 techs? Duece, I think it is more attributable to what I described earlier. The "vets" here have already shared those war stories... multiple times. Only so many times can I disagree OJW about running a 4-4 vs a 50...as opposed to teaching your players to play defense, and then lining them up, only so many times can Brophy talk about the "this/that" reads for ILBs, and even steve calande can only post about his Good God blocking scheme so much?
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Post by 33coach on Aug 28, 2012 22:42:57 GMT -6
J, I agree, to a point. My point is, this is a DISCUSSION board, not necessarily a question and answer board. Areed..that is why I don't understand some of the suggestions regarding trying to really segment the board. Nothing would stymie discussion more than dividing up the board. Where does one stop? A 4-2-5 board specifically for teams with left handed 3 techs? Duece, I think it is more attributable to what I described earlier. The "vets" here have already shared those war stories... multiple times. Only so many times can I disagree OJW about running a 4-4 vs a 50...as opposed to teaching your players to play defense, and then lining them up, only so many times can Brophy talk about the "this/that" reads for ILBs, and even steve calande can only post about his Good God blocking scheme so much? So what do we do coach? I guess the new wave football isnt as debatable as it used to be? People dont have the spread vs double wing knockout fights anymore...because its all been said... Part of it is generational as ive said before. But part of it is the pains of being apart of one of the largest and oldest online coaches communities. Sent from my DROID Pro using proboards
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 29, 2012 7:16:28 GMT -6
Do about what? Again, I don't see an issue.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 29, 2012 7:46:47 GMT -6
The search feature may not be the most useful tool but coaches can always scroll down through the pages and look for similar topics.
Lets be honest here, fellas: we don't really discuss a wide range of topics on most of the boards. All of the 4-2-5 threads will contain most of the same information with respect to coverages, alignments, assignments, etc.. If you read one thread called "3-4 versus the spread" and you see a lot of short, blunt replies talking about just running your scheme, then you can expect the same thing on any similar thread.
The best resources on this board aren't the threads themselves; it's the vets. Read through a thread, pick out some of the guys that have been around and hit them up via PM. Why bother posting a thread about the 4-3 when you can talk to OJW and get the best information available? Don't start a discussion about the SBV when blb is a guru with it. Hell, PM one of the mods and ask them who is the most knowledgable with certain schemes. You'll save yourself some time and "hurt feelings".
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Post by sweep26 on Aug 29, 2012 7:53:33 GMT -6
This is a GREAT board for all coaches, both young and old. The moderators do a great job of filtering inappropriate posts. Just leave it like it is.
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Post by casec11 on Aug 29, 2012 8:43:19 GMT -6
An alternate for the search function is to google "Coach Huey (insert question/topic here)." Usually gets what you want. First off , This is helpfull... No offense but the search function everyone says to use sucks! I cant search the whole board, if i search back more then 300 hundred days it always crashes. I get a bunch of stuff i don't want. I like the suggestions others have given, sort by alphabet, #s of posts (I do this Great way to learn something indepth), but: Can Huey insert a google search site widget up there with the ads? this could be a big help. 2- some of you sound like your whining about better times. This board is the best football coaching learning site on the web, still is and always will be as experienced coaches and new inexperienced share their idea's. Are there dumb questions? No there is never a dumb question... that question is an opportunity to teach that coach. hey coach, Read: "this link" ect... (A sticky post about silver bullet offense or defense would be something to "link to")
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Post by flingt on Aug 29, 2012 8:59:49 GMT -6
I hate to say this Deuce, but maybe boards like this have become archaic. This type of communication has become slow compared to blogs and/or twitter. As an older coach, I know I research in different formats than the internet, i.e., I use other coaches I know as resources. I come on here from time to time to ask questions, albeit, not very good ones. So, I am actually contributing to the "trash" on here.
Maybe this board, and boards like, have run their course as a type of research. Just a thought that I have thought about.
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Post by rpetrie on Aug 29, 2012 9:02:25 GMT -6
The best resources on this board aren't the threads themselves; it's the vets. Read through a thread, pick out some of the guys that have been around and hit them up via PM. quote] I personally don't have a problem with repeated questions, or for that matter perceived "dumb" questions. I have posted my share...but I feel that is part of the process. I come here to read, learn, debate and NEVER openly criticize. That's not my place. Where I have issue is on 2 points: 1. The PM aspect of this board I feel is used inappropriately... It should be about initiating contact. I hate when I read posts that request responses through a PM only. This Board is a discussion board for...OPEN DISCUSSION. If you want a private conversation then get that person's email or phone and carry on your private conversation in PRIVATE...not on an open forum. You don't need to post that process like your a kid with a secret. It's disrespectful to the intent of this board. 2. Guys trying to sell their stuff by luring you in with bits of information and then pulling out the rug on you for a $20 junk DVD. Don't go to a free discussion board and lurk around as a backstreet salesmen. Do it on your own website, not on this one. This is designed to share info freely. Off my soap box...
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Post by blb on Aug 29, 2012 9:31:38 GMT -6
maybe boards like this have become archaic. Why is it most evetrything I like is "archaic," out-moded, out-dated, out-this and that?
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Post by coachks on Aug 29, 2012 10:00:53 GMT -6
We might not get so many repeat questions if everybody wasn't racing to make a sarcastic post about universal terminology and thinking up new and funny names for the force defender.
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Post by blb on Aug 29, 2012 10:16:45 GMT -6
We might not get so many repeat questions if everybody wasn't racing to make a sarcastic post about universal terminology and thinking up new and funny names for the force defender. ...and there wouldn't be so many of those kind of posts if some coaches weren't either so arrogant or naive as to think that everybody calls things the same way that they do, that their way is the only way.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 29, 2012 10:17:27 GMT -6
Well I just learned that there is a new topics button on this board from this discussion! LOL See ya can learn something new every day on Coach Huey!
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Post by fantom on Aug 29, 2012 10:23:34 GMT -6
We might not get so many repeat questions if everybody wasn't racing to make a sarcastic post about universal terminology and thinking up new and funny names for the force defender. I agree with you somewhat but I have to say that most of the sarcastic replies are to exactly the kind of posts that the OP was complaining about: From Slappy14 Posts: 1 "Can anybody explain Saban's Upchuck blitz ?". BTW, I didn't search to see if there really is a Slappy14. If so, I didn't mean you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 11:11:04 GMT -6
Well I just learned that there is a new topics button on this board from this discussion! LOL See ya can learn something new every day on Coach Huey! I learned jgordon takes a crap right after he gets up in the morning! Maybe this board has TOO much info.? Duece
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Post by IronmanFootball on Aug 29, 2012 11:33:18 GMT -6
"Coaches are just like players, they must be developed. Not everyone coaching football played college football, or had the kind of exposure some of us have had to other pieces of the game, so for the most part they just replicate whatever their coach taught them - and that's not really developing a coach, that's at best 2nd hand information from his coach."
BOOM. I tell my players and students how bad of a teacher coach I was year one-day one. It was embarrassing. I give myself a D- because effort was there. Every year I've attended (virtual or otherwise) clinics/lessons on how to teach and coach. My game has gone up. Am I the next Nick Saban? NO. Am I a great head coach? NO. But am I improving every day and allowing myself to learn and improve? Yes. Same goes for teaching. I'm probably a C coach and B- teacher right now but I'd love to be A++ at both sooner rather than never.
Issues I see in young guys (I'm under 30, btw) today: no humility little patience some dedication
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Post by jonnyjon on Aug 29, 2012 11:38:56 GMT -6
I've even been having trouble with google search. I've tried to search for some 3-4 and 3-2 box information and most of the pages comeback errors like they from an old server or something.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 29, 2012 11:39:27 GMT -6
Issues I see in young guys (I'm under 30, btw) today: no humility little patience some dedication Great post and not trying to be smart, but those same issues will be in most young guys 1000 years from now.
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Post by fantom on Aug 29, 2012 12:07:22 GMT -6
Issues I see in young guys (I'm under 30, btw) today: no humility little patience some dedication Just like with players let's not get too nostalgic about how much better things used to be. I've seen the same issues with young coaches for over thirty years. Not very many guys are or were dedicated enough to be lifers. I don't know anybody around here who started coaching when I did, 1978, and is still coaching.
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Post by coachmacplains on Aug 29, 2012 12:27:03 GMT -6
Sent from my Toro Riding Lawnmower Thanks lochness
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Post by fballcoachg on Aug 29, 2012 12:49:21 GMT -6
The board is no different then any other resource, to me it is an interactive virtual library. There are threads that pertain to me, threads that don't, and threads that I know if I read I'm going to want to put a smartass answer on but typically just ignore it and move on.
This board is a great resource and I think that those looking for something specific or by name will either find it and go away, not find it and go away, or realize a lack of responses or type of responses and be motivated to read other posts and learn more. It's the natural progression and is no different than a clinic, not every coach is there for the same reason or depth of understanding and we definitely don't have the same knowledge base.
I agree with dcohio that like any other resource or the bar at a clinic you as a coach must analyze the info you are getting and apply it to your ever changing situation, the information is all here for you but it is your job to decide if it pertains to you or not.
Don't stress blb, I'm rather fond of this archaic board (as well as articles, clinics, and bs sessions with older coaches where I TRY to shut up and find the gems between the stories) and I would be classified as a young coach.
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Post by coachmacplains on Aug 29, 2012 13:10:38 GMT -6
If I may, I would agree to much of what Duece states in his original post, and I concur with the critique of gamers. However, I think one can be too hard on those coaches who ask "dumb questions". I came to this board, I believe, in 2006. If you search "two good backs", you might find my initial post; I am quite sure some would find it the type of thing that qualifies. What others wouldn't know (and wouldn't need to) is that in my first 15 years of coaching, my average team was 15-16 players, and I innovated off conventional stuff the best I could to get the ball down the field - and with some success. I guarantee you, I left no stone un-turned to figure out this game. I was the only coach for 8 of my first 9 years, so I literally studied every facet of the game to the best of my ability. When I came across this site, I felt like it was a place where I could exchange ideas with coaches who had been around awhile and might help fill in gaps in my knowledge; and I have them. Mind you, I live in the middle of the prairie, and despite attending a couple clinics a year and the occasional exchanges with other high school and college coaches, this site is a great resource for more instant exchange. What I needed was a way to exchange ideas with other guys in my boat, from whom I could learn and maybe even reciprocate, and occasionally shoot the bull on something off the beaten path. To that end, I think the site accomplishes its goal. So, when I asked that original question, I wasn't asking that someone spoon feed me anything; I wanted to know what other knowledgeable guys might do if in a similar boat - nothing more or less.
As an aside, I remember sitting in a clinic session in Sioux City, IA back around 1990 listening to a D.Line coach from the University of Iowa explain the play of the 3 technique. I can honestly say I was with every thing he was teaching, but in no way could I comprehensively apply that to my guys in my situation, to whom I am explaining the names of positions at the beginning of the season. So, to come on a site like this - which acts sort of like an intermediary between the principles taught by Coach 3Tech and what I communicate to green ranch kids - is a blessing. I'd like to think this board has helped fill in some gaps, and we may even be able to use spill technique and wrong-arming to great effect someday...
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Post by coachcb on Aug 29, 2012 13:56:50 GMT -6
The best resources on this board aren't the threads themselves; it's the vets. Read through a thread, pick out some of the guys that have been around and hit them up via PM. quote] I personally don't have a problem with repeated questions, or for that matter perceived "dumb" questions. I have posted my share...but I feel that is part of the process. I come here to read, learn, debate and NEVER openly criticize. That's not my place. Where I have issue is on 2 points: 1. The PM aspect of this board I feel is used inappropriately... It should be about initiating contact. I hate when I read posts that request responses through a PM only. This Board is a discussion board for...OPEN DISCUSSION. If you want a private conversation then get that person's email or phone and carry on your private conversation in PRIVATE...not on an open forum. You don't need to post that process like your a kid with a secret. It's disrespectful to the intent of this board. 2. Guys trying to sell their stuff by luring you in with bits of information and then pulling out the rug on you for a $20 junk DVD. Don't go to a free discussion board and lurk around as a backstreet salesmen. Do it on your own website, not on this one. This is designed to share info freely. Off my soap box... Yeah, the "please PM me" posts get pulled off quick. I learned from this board by browsing threads that interested me and then contacting the coaches that knew their stuff. For example, I wanted to learn more about the Wing T so I went through all kinds of threads, picked up some information and then PMed the guys that know their stuff. They not only gave me good information, they pointed me towards other good resources and I learned alot about the offense quickly. Why comb through thread after thread when you can get in to much more detail by PMing back and forth with a guy with answers. And, in all honesty, there is a fair amount of misinformation that gets tossed into a lot of these threads. There are guys that run particular schemes but really don't seem to understand how to install it or call it. But, an inexperienced coach isn't going to recognize that.
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Post by jgordon1 on Aug 29, 2012 14:02:50 GMT -6
Well I just learned that there is a new topics button on this board from this discussion! LOL See ya can learn something new every day on Coach Huey! well your alot smarter than me cause i finally figured that out at around post 2500
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Post by hback41 on Aug 29, 2012 14:45:56 GMT -6
I have asked a few questions that have lacked the details required for folks to give quality responses. It was helpful when people asked questions that forced me to rephrase the question or provide more detail. I had to think about how to ask my question in a better way. My valid questions looked dumb due to poor execution. Make the poster think. Worked for me.
In the end, I enjoyed the discussion that started with "air raid and 4-2-5 are the pinnacle of football innovation" because people gave thoughtful responses to a original post that made me say "seriously?"
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2012 5:03:30 GMT -6
The best resources on this board aren't the threads themselves; it's the vets. Read through a thread, pick out some of the guys that have been around and hit them up via PM. quote] I personally don't have a problem with repeated questions, or for that matter perceived "dumb" questions. I have posted my share...but I feel that is part of the process. I come here to read, learn, debate and NEVER openly criticize. That's not my place. Where I have issue is on 2 points: 1. The PM aspect of this board I feel is used inappropriately... It should be about initiating contact. I hate when I read posts that request responses through a PM only. This Board is a discussion board for...OPEN DISCUSSION. If you want a private conversation then get that person's email or phone and carry on your private conversation in PRIVATE...not on an open forum. You don't need to post that process like your a kid with a secret. It's disrespectful to the intent of this board. 2. Guys trying to sell their stuff by luring you in with bits of information and then pulling out the rug on you for a $20 junk DVD. Don't go to a free discussion board and lurk around as a backstreet salesmen. Do it on your own website, not on this one. This is designed to share info freely. Off my soap box... 1. we set it up to not be that way and do our best to limit stuff like that 2. we kill off those people as soon as we find them
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2012 5:04:53 GMT -6
I hate to say this Deuce, but maybe boards like this have become archaic. This type of communication has become slow compared to blogs and/or twitter. As an older coach, I know I research in different formats than the internet, i.e., I use other coaches I know as resources. I come on here from time to time to ask questions, albeit, not very good ones. So, I am actually contributing to the "trash" on here. Maybe this board, and boards like, have run their course as a type of research. Just a thought that I have thought about. it might be hard to twitter how to zone block effectively------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------140? and I like twitter
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2012 5:06:15 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2012 5:30:45 GMT -6
Look, I do want to make one thing clear, I'm not BASHING this board, I'm just saying it's gotten a little repetitive and somewhat stale. I'm also not the only one who feels this way (as I stated in the OP, me and some other coaches on here have been talking about this very thing), and in OP, I said I was going to stick my neck out and talk about it. I like this board and what it has brought me up to as a coach is probably immeasurable. I wrote this post exactly for that reason. the12thmanblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/huey-board.htmlAgain, I'm like most of you in that I started on here pretty green in terms of never having asked questions on a message board etc. to now posting almost everyday. I REALLY enjoy talking football, and it just seems that things have gotten a bit mundane and repetitive with little to no new life in the board, so I made my feelings known. Duece
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Post by wingtol on Aug 30, 2012 6:21:12 GMT -6
Well I just learned that there is a new topics button on this board from this discussion! LOL See ya can learn something new every day on Coach Huey! I learned jgordon takes a crap right after he gets up in the morning! Maybe this board has TOO much info.? Duece The scary thing is he could be taking a crap and reading the board at the same time with all the technology out there today! LOL I think this board is like anything in life, you have an ebb and flow. You have people who work hard, figure stuff out on their own, study hard, do research, etc. Then you have those who just want it all laid out for them with no work on their part. I try not to get to worked up about posts that were mentioned in the OP, just kind of ignore them or don't even read them. No biggie, I figure those people have more to worry about than I do. Just remember there are no stupid questions, just stupid people
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