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Post by holmesbend on Jan 9, 2012 12:51:24 GMT -6
Coaches, Any of you out there do this and care to share ideas? It's amazing what buying 2 polos, pullover/jacket, tshirt and a hat for 10+ coaches/support staff can add up to be these days. Thanks for the input in advance.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 9, 2012 12:58:55 GMT -6
My coaches have to raise money for their gear or pay for themselves. 1st year on staff they raise $1000, and only $800 each year after that.
We sell banners that we hang in the stands for businesses to purchase for $500 and renew for $400. Program advertisement ads for different prices. Coach brings in 2 banner companies and he's done. Renew them each year and done. I hook my coaches up with a ton of nice gear so it is pricey. EVERYBODY thought we looked professional and when it snowed, we all had our snow gear and other things.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 9, 2012 13:08:39 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Jan 9, 2012 13:19:57 GMT -6
My coaches have to raise money for their gear or pay for themselves. 1st year on staff they raise $1000, and only $800 each year after that. We sell banners that we hang in the stands for businesses to purchase for $500 and renew for $400. Program advertisement ads for different prices. Coach brings in 2 banner companies and he's done. Renew them each year and done. I hook my coaches up with a ton of nice gear so it is pricey. EVERYBODY thought we looked professional and when it snowed, we all had our snow gear and other things. You hook them up? No, they buy it.
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Post by flingt on Jan 9, 2012 13:56:12 GMT -6
My coaches have to raise money for their gear or pay for themselves. 1st year on staff they raise $1000, and only $800 each year after that. We sell banners that we hang in the stands for businesses to purchase for $500 and renew for $400. Program advertisement ads for different prices. Coach brings in 2 banner companies and he's done. Renew them each year and done. I hook my coaches up with a ton of nice gear so it is pricey. EVERYBODY thought we looked professional and when it snowed, we all had our snow gear and other things. I don't know coach, but I don't think I would do either. I have neither the time nor money just so I can look good. I don't coach to get "stuff". I'd rather that time and energy be spent on the players. Not to metion, if I get a supplement and I can't raise the money to pay for coaches clothes I end up paying for it out of my own pocket. Then I end up possibly paying to coach. That's just me.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 9, 2012 14:00:25 GMT -6
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Post by coachbw on Jan 9, 2012 14:15:59 GMT -6
I think I would rather coach in a program where I got an off brand polo and a t-shirt but didn't have to fundraise for them than one where I was asked to fundraiser for my clothing. I have no problem putting in time fundraising, but I would want the money to go to something that I thought would improve our program.
I think the last clothing purchase we got 3 t-shirts and shorts, polo, and a pullover for about $100 a coach. I would be much more willing to pay for that out of my own pocket than to ask them to bring in the money for it.
Back to the OP, I would not hesitate to ask the boosters if they would be willing to donate for the coaches apparel. Most of them know how many hours are put in. Also, we have in the past made an "arrangement" with the youth group. We put on a coaches clinic for them and they paid for our coaches apparel. We would have done the clinic for free, but it justified to their board that they were providing us the money for services rendered instead of just making a donation. I don't know your situation, but maybe that is an option.
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Post by quickscreen on Jan 9, 2012 14:22:46 GMT -6
I do think it's important for the coaches to look sharp and uniformed. Matching jackets/shoes etc, goes a long way in making your program look first class. I do feel like cqmillers plan is a good one, though it may be a bit much for my school/community. I'm going to begin exploring fundraising options for my coaches. I had never before considered this.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 9, 2012 14:31:36 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Jan 9, 2012 14:42:25 GMT -6
Coaching Shoes = $100 Home Game Polo = $75 Away Game Polo = $75 3 Pair Practice Shorts = $35 x 3 = $105 3 Practice Tshirts = $25 x 3 = $75 2 Baseball Caps = $25 x 2 = $50 Weatherproof Pants = $100 Weatherproof Jacket = $175 Gloves = $20 Under Armour Cold Gear (top & bottom) = $125 Total Cost of Gear per Coach = $900 We have APEX software that we need to renew each year to use ($500 a year) Clinic Fees for the clinics we go to + 1 dinner while at the clinic. The cost adds up really quick. Plus coaches are always asking for "can I get one of these... or those... or whatever" and they want the program to purchase it. Gotta put into the pot if you wanna pull out of the pot. Plus, how many businesses do you go to in a year? probably 1000's. All you need is 2 of them to advertise and you are done. Not a difficult task. We had 11 coaches this season, so we all had to raise $1000. I raised $2000 since I'm the HC. With districts being super-tight with $$$ these days, they won't pay everyone on staff, so I have to have money for that too. Any coaches who didn't fundraise were "volunteers" which means I paid them with clothes. Not cash. And if a coach can't come up with his quota?
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 9, 2012 15:00:00 GMT -6
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 9, 2012 15:04:21 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Jan 9, 2012 15:15:35 GMT -6
I didn't have that issue this year... All my guys took care of business. Now that they all have gear, they don't necessarily need any new gear if they really want to just wear the old stuff. So I guess they would have to wear their stuff that is a year old. Easy to not run into that problem when interviewing coaches you let them know that they are expected to raise money as well. Especially since we have a contract stating that we must be head-to-toe Under Armour gear with our contract with them. They can't be on the sideline without the gear. At the end of the day it comes down to surrounding yourself with guys that are willing to do what it takes to run a 1st class program. No excuses. Even my college student coaches were able to raise their money this season. They got all their stuff and we had enough money to give each of them a stipend which they were very excited about. If a coach didn't want to raise the money, he would need to pay for what is necessary for him to wear (We make kids wear specific attire to practice, coaches do to). He would need: 1 Practice Short 1 Practice Shirt 1 Home Polo 1 Away Polo 1 Coaching Slacks (left off the 1st list so add that to the cost) 1 All-Weather Jacket Coaching Shoes So he would have to purchase those things. If he refuses to do what he needs to do, then treat him just like you would a player who shows up with bright pink cleats on instead of the team cleats... sit him. Again, all I'm asking them to do is to put forth enough effort to have someone else pay for their gear instead of them. If I hire a guy who is not willing to put in the effort or to just pay the difference if he couldn't quite make it, then that is my problem and we will have issues as a program as long as that person in in the program. A good program starts from the top and extends directly to the assistant coaches. I know that some schools may have boosters and other entities that have $ but this is not one of those places. Our district is so tight with money, it is a miracle they allow us to purchase coaching equipment with the football budget. As the HC, I am the captain of this particular ship... jump in and row in my direction, or get the he11 outta the boat!!! I'm afraid that you might have to sit me. As for the Lombardi quote, I have a pretty good idea what it takes to be successful and it isn't coaching shoes.
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Post by CLuttrell on Jan 9, 2012 15:31:18 GMT -6
fantom
I'm on cqmiller's staff.
A couple of us did not meet the quota, and so will have to wear the same gear next year. Coach is ordering the same stuff for next year to have stuff on hand for new coaches. But, those of us that are coming back, have to fundraise this year to get the new polos (same as last year, just new).
Tell me if I'm wrong coach.
I didn't make my quota last year, I wasn't even in the state till August, so I tried to write a USA football grant for my part, but was denied. Looks like I'm going to be doubling my efforts this year! I've already got stuff listed in the classifieds on this site to try to get my share done!
CL
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Post by fantom on Jan 9, 2012 15:33:58 GMT -6
fantom I'm on cqmiller's staff. A couple of us did not meet the quota, and so will have to wear the same gear next year. Coach is ordering the same stuff for next year to have stuff on hand for new coaches. But, those of us that are coming back, have to fundraise this year to get the new polos (same as last year, just new). Tell me if I'm wrong coach. I didn't make my quota last year, I wasn't even in the state till August, so I tried to write a USA football grant for my part, but was denied. Looks like I'm going to be doubling my efforts this year! I've already got stuff listed in the classifieds on this site to try to get my share done! CL Good luck.
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Post by blb on Jan 9, 2012 15:40:45 GMT -6
Every year I buy our coaches a game shirt (polo), hat, pullover, T-shirt, and mesh pocketed shorts.
Money comes from our Summer Football Camp fees (they get paid for coaching at them and get a T-shirt from HS camp as well).
If we have money left over from our program fundraiser I'll buy them something extra such as a sweatshirt, knit cap, or this year a quilted coat.
Khaki pants, shorts, gloves, and shoes they have to come up with themselves.
I did buy pants and shorts for staff one year and they all wore their own stuff anyway.
miller is asking coaches to raise more money to outfit themselves than it does to equip a player. Not a coach's job.
And I can see no connection whatsoever between "What It Takes to Be Number One" and coaches' apparel.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 9, 2012 16:13:00 GMT -6
This thread has turned into one of the more entertaining ones in recent memory
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Post by blb on Jan 9, 2012 16:42:12 GMT -6
I have never heard of coaches having to fundraise for their own coaching clothes.
We make about 37 cents an hour as it is. We should at least be able to dress professionally without having to beg for the funds or incur the expense.
What miller has listed is more than I got yearly at either of my college jobs, too.
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Post by Yash on Jan 9, 2012 16:42:27 GMT -6
If your coaching attire cost more than what it costs to equip a player i believe priorities are mixed up. I understand look good play good all of that, but I'd rather buy 3 new helmets than get a new pair of shoes every year. Its your program so you run it how you want. we all do things differently.
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Post by realdawg on Jan 9, 2012 16:55:48 GMT -6
We pay for our coaches gear with the money we raise doing a youth camp and some off season speed camps for younger kids. Usually get a t shirt, a polo, a hat, some shoes, and a jacket each year.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 9, 2012 17:13:55 GMT -6
Do you really need new weather proof gear every year? Do your coaches really all need the same long johns? Just trying to wrap my head around that. Seems like a bit of micro-managing. You can look good for a lot less than a grand a year. Our HC bought black jackets at Sam's Club and had them embroidered for like 300.00 last year, nice winter ones. We were just at a recruiting night and a coach from a local college our school is loosely affiliated with was busting his HC b@**s about getting jackets like ours. Told him where they were from and they started laughing. You can look good for less and spend on more important stuff IMHO.
Also 75.00 for a polo? 35.00 for shorts? 25.00 for a t-shirt? I hate to say it your getting screwed there. Maybe you should shop around. We got UA polos for like 35 from a local vendor.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 9, 2012 18:01:37 GMT -6
I have to agree...$900 to outfit one coach seems pretty excessive but if those guys know that fundraising is an expectation of being on that particular staff, then I don't have a problem with it.
You don't want to fund raise, go coach somewhere else, I guess.
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Post by coachjd on Jan 9, 2012 19:08:22 GMT -6
We have hosted a 7 on 7 tourney and a linemen challenge and the coaches help run it and all the proceeds go to coaches gear.
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Post by coachbigelow on Jan 9, 2012 21:07:01 GMT -6
Last School I coached at the head coach did a lot of fundraising but also had the kids help do some of it as well. Coaches would supervise them through the fundraising. CQmiller might know about him, Louis Wong of Timpview High in Utah. Since taking over in 2005 he has raised I think about $2 million bucks. But alas he may be fired, and lose his teaching license even. I already talked about it in the ideal administrator thread: How about this one I am just finding out. Last coach I worked for, there is an attempt to push him out as head coach right now by the school board. New principal brought in that is a yes man is on board with doing this. Head Coach's record since he took over in 2005: 77-10 with 4 Consecutive State Championships from 2006-2009. This last season went to the semi's with the weakest team in 5 years. The reason they are looking to push him out is to gain power back. He is a fanatical fundraiser, I have seen how hard he works at it. A lot of wealth in the boundaries as well. Couple CEO's of companies that are associated with the program so they help. The school board wasn't happy with his building of a football center, nor new weight room. They want all donations that are made to either high school in the district to go in a general pool that the board then decides how to divide up. A lot of {censored} off influential people in the area over this. I don't think many donations will be coming if they decide to do this. The students are going to gather as well and head to the board meeting that will make the decision tomorrow night. Personally I think they hired a yes man, not the vice principal of the school that interviewed for the job because the vice principal would have told them to shove it up their {censored} about letting the coach go. Put this down as an example of an administrator not to work for. Well here is the update. At the Board meeting that was heavily attended by supporters, the principal said Lou would stay as head coach. Two days later he received a letter saying his teaching license was even under review. People have been trying to talk to the school board which is now completely ignoring them. So be careful how much you fundraise in the Provo Utah School District!!!!!
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Post by mholst40 on Jan 10, 2012 0:07:06 GMT -6
Luckily for us, our booster club pays for our coaching apparel. We are a Nike school, and when we bought nice, new uniforms years ago, the booster club decided if the kids were going to look nice, the coaches should too because they are as much a part of the team. If we are asking kids to wear a "uniform", I think the coaches should too.
Our booster club pays $100 per coach, which typically gets a polo shirt and a hat/visor. Our head coach will chip in with other fundraising money to pay for jackets, shorts and such.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 10, 2012 8:16:43 GMT -6
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Post by veerman on Jan 10, 2012 8:51:40 GMT -6
I'm kinda confused confused on the whole we are a UA school or Nike school thing and having to spend tons of money on attire. When Nike talked to us about contracting they were going to give us a good amount of money to spend just on coaching attire a year. So why go out of budget? I agree that cqmiller is getting hosed on his prices, you can find a lot cheaper prices, even name brand gear for that matter cheaper. And if teams just wanting to be a name brand school just to say you are when you don't receive any money for gear from them then you have a lot more money to just blow away in your program then we do.
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Post by veerman on Jan 10, 2012 9:02:15 GMT -6
i guess it just depends on where you live also. There is no way all our kids can go out and raise 1500. Half our kids hope their parents have enough to pay the rent and light bill much less anything else.
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Post by fantom on Jan 10, 2012 9:16:01 GMT -6
Also, the "what it takes to be number one" I put in there because any coach who is not willing to do grind and find 2 businesses to do advertising with us, or be a leader enough to show the kids that they will go out there and raise the money we are asking them to raise doesn't need to be on my staff. There's where you lost me. I certainly understand that you need to fund-raise. I also agree that looking good helps. I just don't think that having all of the coaches wear matching outfits, right down to the shoes, has anything to do with on-the-field discipline and winning. I'm willing to do my part but the day that the HC tells me that I have to meet a fund-raising quota or pay for my required clothing out of my stipend is the day I leave.
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