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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 9:18:15 GMT -6
My question is relatively minor in the grand scheme of this discussion, but at the same time could be an easy way to save at least some money and has me curious: are home and away polos more common than I'm thinking? I've coached for four different programs and we just had one polo for all games.
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Post by blb on Jan 10, 2012 9:22:55 GMT -6
Wonder how many business owners would "buy" a banner for advertising from a coach if they knew money was going to outfit said coach like he was at a BCS school?
I'm with fantom - I'd have to find somewhere else in Midvale area to coach.
Bet Juan Diego doesn't have their coaches out soliciting.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Jan 10, 2012 9:26:06 GMT -6
My question is relatively minor in the grand scheme of this discussion, but at the same time could be an easy way to save at least some money and has me curious: are home and away polos more common than I'm thinking? I've coached for four different programs and we just had one polo for all games. We went home and away this year, but only because we all had the whites already from the year before. So this year we bought black polos.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 10, 2012 9:28:49 GMT -6
I can see setting a fund-raising expectation for the coaching staff as it's becoming increasingly hard to dig up cash for a program. However, I agree with fantom in that I would make it mandatory, have a set outfit for the coaches to wear, or force them to pay out of their own pockets for gear. My staff wore matching outfits but it was easy; we paid 25.00 for polos and provided our own slacks.They were nice polos too.
But, even in your shoes, I wouldn't spend that much money on attire. I would dig deep in fund-raising but would put that money towards other things.
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Post by fantom on Jan 10, 2012 9:29:25 GMT -6
Bet Juan Diego doesn't have their coaches out soliciting. Zorro?
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Post by blb on Jan 10, 2012 9:33:10 GMT -6
Bet Juan Diego doesn't have their coaches out soliciting. Zorro? Ha ha - you and I may be only two guys on here old enough to appreciate that reference. And I believe it was "Don Diego." Juan Diego HS - Salt Lake City. Perennial UT state champs in their class.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 10, 2012 9:38:08 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Jan 10, 2012 9:44:52 GMT -6
Wonder how many business owners would "buy" a banner for advertising from a coach if they knew money was going to outfit said coach like he was at a BCS school? I'm with fantom - I'd have to find somewhere else in Midvale area to coach. Bet Juan Diego doesn't have their coaches out soliciting. JD has all the parents cut a check to the school for football. My brother was an all-state QB there and they didn't do fundraisers other than the huge school fundraisers. Private Catholic Schools don't have to worry about all the drama with $$$. Especially at JD when the Head Football Coach is the brother of the Dean and the Principal and basically funded the school to be built. I will just bow out of the discussion now because I guess the people I have surrounded myself with are willing to put forth the time and effort and people who aren't willing to are not on my staff. Last year we tripled the amount of money spent within the program and if things go as planned this year we will be operating with a football budget of over $100,000. That at least gets us on par with all the schools in our area that are taking our kids from us due to the open enrollment where the kids can choose any high school they want without regard for any boundaries. I will respectfully disagree with your comment about private schools as it can actually be worse as many of these schools run on donations. Any fund-raiser we do has 15% skimmed off the top for the school and every single freakin penny is counted and scrutinized over. I went to a coaching clinic last year and was given some cash for meals and what-not. I was 2.43 short because I lost a receipt and had to hear about it from the the administration.
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Post by fantom on Jan 10, 2012 9:56:24 GMT -6
Ha ha - you and I may be only two guys on here old enough to appreciate that reference. And I believe it was "Don Diego." Juan Diego HS - Salt Lake City. Perennial UT state champs in their class. Oh OK, because Zorro's away uni was pretty sweet.
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Post by blb on Jan 10, 2012 9:58:37 GMT -6
Zorro's away uni was pretty sweet. I know, wore it once (for Halloween, 50 years ago).
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Post by fantom on Jan 10, 2012 10:11:16 GMT -6
Zorro's away uni was pretty sweet. I know, wore it once (for Halloween, 50 years ago). My brother got the hell beaten out of him for that. Mom gave him money and sent him to get a haircut. Instead he stopped at the store next door and bought a Zorro costume that was in the window. Guess he thought that because he was wearing a mask Mom wouldn't notice. She did, though.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 10, 2012 10:35:39 GMT -6
Ha ha - you and I may be only two guys on here old enough to appreciate that reference. And I believe it was "Don Diego." Juan Diego HS - Salt Lake City. Perennial UT state champs in their class. Oh OK, because Zorro's away uni was pretty sweet. As one of my Native kids would say: "Phucking weird white people..." Lol.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 10, 2012 10:56:26 GMT -6
I don't disagree that it sets a great example for the kids that are expected to raise funds. Why not stop there though? Why not condition with the kids as well? Get up under a bar on the squat rack? Throw a couple bumpers on and power clean with the kids?
I think the time and effort you're spending towards fundraising so you and your coaches can have matching long johns is helping you win games about as much as those things would.
I'm not trying to be critical, I just disagree with it. You know what works for you and obviously you're successful with doing it this way.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 10, 2012 10:57:40 GMT -6
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Post by 42falcon on Jan 10, 2012 11:00:19 GMT -6
Why does it have to come to close to $1,000 for coaches gear? This is nuts sorry we buy a polo, jacket, and give the coaches some shorts and a t-shirt from the school gym strip. We buy the stuff for the coaches out of the football budget so we can't go hog wild but want the guys to have nice stuff. I take the coaches out for dinner and drinks along with their wives / gf's at the end of the season and pay for it. We also have no stipend to pay coaches no one in our City / Province does.
But I guess I ask why do they have to have shoes, polos, Under Armour,?
We want to get our guys stuff but I can't ask them to pay for it I would have a mutiny.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jan 10, 2012 11:15:34 GMT -6
I really don't see an issue with this. It sounds like Miller is up front about this from the time of interview, so if you aren't on board with it, you can end the discussion right at that point.
Others are saying the money should go toward other things, but I am assuming that he isn't decking his coaches out in all of the best gear and then having them work out in rotting facilities. Furthermore, if the school allows him to control all of the money he raises, I really see nothing wrong with any of this.
I kind of like the idea really, and it's something I'll keep in mind should I ever get the head coach call.
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Post by fantom on Jan 10, 2012 11:25:49 GMT -6
I really don't see an issue with this. It sounds like Miller is up front about this from the time of interview, so if you aren't on board with it, you can end the discussion right at that point. Others are saying the money should go toward other things, but I am assuming that he isn't decking his coaches out in all of the best gear and then having them work out in rotting facilities. Furthermore, if the school allows him to control all of the money he raises, I really see nothing wrong with any of this. I kind of like the idea really, and it's something I'll keep in mind should I ever get the head coach call. Is this really the way to get the best coaches, as opposed to the best fund-raisers?
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Post by blb on Jan 10, 2012 11:29:13 GMT -6
Is this really the way to get the best coaches, as opposed to the best fund-raisers? ...or just the best dressed?
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 10, 2012 11:36:32 GMT -6
Miller,
Two questions:
1) Are your coaches up front with the business they go to that their $400-$500 will go to buy coaches clothing? 2) Have you ever had a coach hear about the expectation in an interview and decide he wasn't interested in being part of your staff as a result?
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 10, 2012 12:15:56 GMT -6
Miller, Two questions: 1) Are your coaches up front with the business they go to that their $400-$500 will go to buy coaches clothing? 2) Have you ever had a coach hear about the expectation in an interview and decide he wasn't interested in being part of your staff as a result? 1) When I do mine I say that every single penny the kids raise gets spent on them so it is my job to raise money for my coaching apparel and that additional funds that coaches raise also help the kids pay for new uniforms, etc... Last year my coaches and I raised enough money to pay for our stuff and to pay for more than half of our new Uniforms for the kids. 2) When I was the assistant HC for a coach who had a very similar philosophy to this one, we did have a few guys who were not willing to do that and we parted ways with no hard feelings. We also had a few who reluctantly agreed to do what we asked of them. Within a year those reluctant guys LOVED the program and had bought in 100%. I have not had a coach that I have interviewed go away because of it, but I have only been the man in charge for 1 full year. I'm sure I'll run into some issues with it, but it is what it is. I promise I didn't mean to start the fire-storm that this thread has become. I know last night I had 80% of my staff at my house to watch the LSU-Bama game and we all get along and we have the beginnings of a great staff. I do need a couple more X's & O's guys as I have plenty of the guys that are excited and like to coach the kids, but I'm still looking for someone I can turn over 1 side of the ball to completely. Just gave an example of what I do here within my program and the expectations I have, and it started a crazy discussion. Sounded originally like the guy who posted the original question has been having trouble paying (or doesn't like pulling that much money out of his account) for all his coaching gear. I saw the same issue, so my solution was to have the coaches earn it themselves. Others that would not be acceptable. Doesn't bother me either way.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 10, 2012 12:17:34 GMT -6
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Post by coachbigelow on Jan 10, 2012 21:13:59 GMT -6
The school board superintendent resigned tonight. See how that goes. Though claiming he is paying parents for players is a new one I have heard.
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Post by coachbigelow on Jan 10, 2012 21:15:26 GMT -6
New school I am at this last season had home and away polos. Course we are just down the road from Nike, we get a little extra at a discount.
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Post by holmesbend on Jan 10, 2012 22:22:51 GMT -6
Wow. I don't check back for 36 hours and got this? Good stuff!
We have done the home and away polos. And I'm with many of you others as far as getting the off brand stuff (love Holloway). I'm actually a big fan of Russell for everything (who we got our new home unis from last year and will do the same for our new away unis this year).
Do any of you have situations where your athletic program as a whole has a "contract" with the likes of Nike, Adidas, etc? I've heard some good and bad from that.
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Post by holmesbend on Jan 10, 2012 22:30:45 GMT -6
And it's one of those things where I want to and will buy the essentials...polo, mesh type short, shirt and hat....but, as for the other stuff like pullovers, jackets, a 2nd or multiple polos, jackets, etc I would just like to fundraiser for (myself included).
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Post by mholst40 on Jan 12, 2012 13:20:51 GMT -6
Our school has a site-wide contract with Nike. What that means is we get 40% off most team apparel purchased. It doesn't mean our AD can't wear Adidas or Under Armour on campus (although he wouldn't). It simply means we have an agreement that every sport buys their uniforms from Nike. Just uniforms. They don't even stipulate that we screen-print or embroider through them. We just have to buy the uniforms for all sports through them.
When you cut that 40% off the top, Nike really isn't expensive compared to some of these "off-brands" and this beats Adidas, Under Armour or Russell. Our athletes save 40% off retail of what Nike shoes/cleats usually are as well.
To complement all of this, every sport gets a kick-back every year from their sales. I don't know what the percentage is off the top of my head, but you basically get a credit back that you can buy anything with through your team dealer... coaching apparel, spirit packs, equipment, balls, etc. The athletic department also gets a kick back.
This agreement has worked well for us. We have good quality uniforms that the kids love, at prices that are cheaper than what some of the other brands or off-brands offer. Nike still makes a killing, plus they pump a lot of their product out to the masses. I would venture to say that our kids get so used to Nike products, they stick with them after high school and I'm sure that is what Nike banks on.
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Post by ballcoach84 on Jan 12, 2012 14:29:32 GMT -6
Does anybody else have any other creative/original ways that they raise money?
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Post by gdoggwr on Jan 12, 2012 15:23:17 GMT -6
In miller's situation with a micromanaged and super-controlled budget I can see the need for fundraising like that. Maybe not to that extent, but then again I don't think any of the schools around here have 6 figure football budgets... we don't have to do that here because we can have a booster club, and they are great.
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Post by ram7gm on Jan 13, 2012 0:40:12 GMT -6
There are some aspects of a coaching "uniform" that should certainly match amongst the whole staff, while other parts I think you can get away with cheating a little. If every coach has a matching polo, hat, and/or sweatshirt/jacket, then the HC should simply stipulate guidelines, such as "black shoes" or "khaki pants, no rips or cargo pockets", etc.
Most places offer discounts per item, especially when ordering a 5, 10, or 15 items. I can't imagine paying $75 for a polo shirt. IMO, those prices listed above must be the list price, rather than what you could actually get away with buying them for.
Luckily, I'm a PE teacher. I wear warmups, tshirts, and shorts to work everyday. So instead of having to spend my money on coaching gear AND slacks, shirts, and ties, I can get away with spending a little bit more on athletic gear suitable for work AND coaching.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 13, 2012 9:55:04 GMT -6
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