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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 5, 2010 19:09:29 GMT -6
Very curious to see how Iowa defends this triple option buzzsaw. Especially since my Tigers got embarrassed by the same stuff last week.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Jan 5, 2010 19:21:30 GMT -6
I coach under a triple option team and I've watch Paul Johnson teams a lot. I'm still stunned and awed every time when I watch it. It's amazing how efficient and how well tuned everyone is.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 5, 2010 19:29:47 GMT -6
I'll admit, I had some doubts about how effective it would be in a BCS conference. Paul Johnson was both a ballsy and great hire.
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Post by brophy on Jan 5, 2010 19:59:26 GMT -6
....You've got to be kidding me, Paul Johnson
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 5, 2010 20:13:08 GMT -6
....You've got to be kidding me, Paul Johnson Having a hard time following you there Brophy. |
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Post by coach11 on Jan 5, 2010 20:19:24 GMT -6
Iowa is absolutely throwing the farm at it.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 5, 2010 20:23:39 GMT -6
Iowa is absolutely throwing the farm at it. Am I missing something? I'm seeing them in their base 4-3 playing the option how everyone else does. DE- dive, OLB- QB, S- filling inside/out, C- pitch. Are they doing anything special I am not noticing or just kicking their @ss? |
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Post by brophy on Jan 5, 2010 20:29:01 GMT -6
Iowa is absolutely throwing the farm at it. Am I missing something? I'm seeing them in their base 4-3 playing the option how everyone else does. DE- dive, OLB- QB, S- filling inside/out, C- pitch. Are they doing anything special I am not noticing or just kicking their @ss? Maybe I'm missing something, then If 24 yards on 11 plays isn't getting you @ss kicked..... |
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Post by coach11 on Jan 5, 2010 20:34:06 GMT -6
Ok my bad. Bad interpertation. I'm saying How can you have the DE play both dive and QB. OLB is trying to play that "tweener" guy. You could it a base 4-3, but those two OLB are so wide. You could say like stand up 90's. Can't figure out why they can't get the Mike cleaned up.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 5, 2010 20:35:39 GMT -6
Am I missing something? I'm seeing them in their base 4-3 playing the option how everyone else does. DE- dive, OLB- QB, S- filling inside/out, C- pitch. Are they doing anything special I am not noticing or just kicking their @ss? Maybe I'm missing something, then If 24 yards on 11 plays isn't getting you @ss kicked..... HAHA...I know they're getting their @ss kicked, I just didn't know if you guys noticed anything significant schematically. I know they're widening their OLBs to match the wings. |
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Post by davishfc on Jan 5, 2010 20:37:27 GMT -6
emptybackfield,
You're absolutely right. Iowa is playing defense...not defenses. They're in their base 4-3 and everyone is playing their assignment. What I'm impressed with is how well Iowa's defense is working off of cut blocks by GT both in the box and on the perimeter. Iowa's front is just tough. Why doesn't GT run the veer triple to the side of the shade? They could also xerox to it. I've seen them run veer triple to the 3 tech several times and they are having a difficult time getting it blocked up.
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Post by coach11 on Jan 5, 2010 20:42:22 GMT -6
But yes empty, you are right. GT is getting kicked.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 5, 2010 20:44:39 GMT -6
They're playing great assignment football and the rest of the guys that aren't being 'read' are killing blocks and lighting people up..
I've seen Iowa defenders shed those cut-blocks with ease; looks like they spent the last month practicing it..
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Post by sin86 on Jan 5, 2010 20:53:57 GMT -6
94 is causing problems. Saw him slow play the dive and tackle Nesbitt.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 5, 2010 21:10:45 GMT -6
I hope Paul Johnson makes an adjustment against the cornerbacks coming off the SE's immediately on the snap. Veer Pass would fix that. As soon as Nesbitt comes out toward the pitch read, set up and throw outside. That should keep the corner from getting involved to heavily in run support. Nesbitt wants to be able to pitch because the Iowa front is playing the dive and QB so well but he feels another defender outside on the pitchman (it's the corner). Playaction has to be the answer for this.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 5, 2010 21:11:46 GMT -6
94 is causing problems. Saw him slow play the dive and tackle Nesbitt. Yes...that kid is a playing B**** |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 5, 2010 21:18:07 GMT -6
Why do they keep calling this the "spread option"?
I consider what Oregon and West Virginia are running as the "spread option"...not this stuff.
Is it because there are actually guys split out as opposed to the olden days wishbone triple option?
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Post by gdn56 on Jan 5, 2010 21:25:18 GMT -6
Tech O looks to be rolling a little better in the 2nd half. I think one of the origianl double split double wing teams called the formation spread so the name has kinda stuck for the offense.
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Post by khalfie on Jan 5, 2010 21:28:37 GMT -6
how about a little unbalanced to calm those coners down?
SE over... Tackle over...
They have to get out of that balanced split formation, Iowa's too comfortable.
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Post by morris on Jan 5, 2010 21:36:32 GMT -6
Why do they keep calling this the "spread option"? I consider what Oregon and West Virginia are running as the "spread option"...not this stuff. Is it because there are actually guys split out as opposed to the olden days wishbone triple option? Because that is what PJ calls it. He calls it the spread option from what I understand. The book about the offense from George Southern (though not written by PJ) is called the Spread Option Offense |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 5, 2010 21:37:24 GMT -6
how about a little unbalanced to calm those coners down? SE over... Tackle over... They have to get out of that balanced split formation, Iowa's too comfortable. Unbalanced to calm to corners down? |
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Post by catoc on Jan 5, 2010 21:43:36 GMT -6
Yea. To Ga. Tech X over is unbalanced.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 5, 2010 21:47:33 GMT -6
Yea. To Ga. Tech X over is unbalanced. Gotcha...I was thinking tackle over. I've seen GT get into what you speak of a couple times and run sprint out and load option. |
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Post by morris on Jan 5, 2010 21:52:17 GMT -6
The thing about GT is the offense does nothing and then it just seems to go into unstoppable mode. I know that is a little over the top but if it is not clikcing at the start it just seems like a matter of time before it gets going. The question is can they get it rolling AND stop them on defense to get this thing going.
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Post by morris on Jan 5, 2010 21:56:12 GMT -6
There was unbalanced on the counter option
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Post by John Knight on Jan 5, 2010 22:58:38 GMT -6
In heaven there is no beer!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 6, 2010 4:53:52 GMT -6
Oh my, some of those mistakes in that game by GT were too familiar ....ouch. That one rb running the wrong way at the end of the game was classic. Football IQ anyone?
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Post by hlb2 on Jan 6, 2010 6:29:04 GMT -6
They run what our defensive coord. runs at us (duece) which is a wierd 6-1 look. All the DL mash the OL on any veer type release, and basically mash the gap closed. If you base block them, the DL fight down inside the block, taking away virtually any inside run. It's tough to run against. The tough part when we face him in practice is blocking the MLB who is 7 yards off the ball! Our poor OL has a tough time with it. We can usually pop midline on him, or work some rocket and some passing, but our d usually handles our o pretty well!!!!
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Post by Coach H on Jan 6, 2010 7:09:41 GMT -6
GO HAWKS!!!!
Great scheme by Norm Parker. Keep It Simple
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Post by dacoordinator on Jan 6, 2010 7:17:22 GMT -6
while i think what Paul Johnson runs down at G. Tech is a good offense and he knows it in and out very well... i dont see him winning too many bowl games with it...yea he will probably get 10 wins every year with it because not many teams run this offense, so Defensive coordinators adjust to it within a week and playing well is highly unlikely. But when it comes to the bowl where teams have more than 2 weeks to prepare for it.. i dont see him winning too many of them do to the fact of him only running a limited amount of plays.
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