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Post by blb on Jan 7, 2010 10:56:00 GMT -6
I disagree broph - I think !, not .
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Post by football6429 on Jan 7, 2010 11:24:02 GMT -6
Till PJ wins a Bowl Game at GT, the triple option will keep getting bash. I've watch PJ at Navy and GT and still think he one of the best coaches on game day. I give credit to Iowa defense they had a good simple game plan and executed it real well. I sure if you sat down with Norm Parker and went over what he did you would say "That it's". It all comes down to mistake free football and execution.
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Post by jw8 on Jan 7, 2010 11:50:23 GMT -6
What I find interesting that we turn these threads into scheme debates and how one loss equals a crappy scheme and one win the new magic bullet. There were threads all revved up when Air Force and Navy won their games in convincing style. The build up to GT/Iowa was driven by the thought that their "style" would be something that Iowa would struggle with. Still comes down to the players running that scheme. If choices were made by us HS coaches on what to run from who wins bowl games.....we would probably be able to find a team that won running the stuff we are now.
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Post by coachdubyah on Jan 7, 2010 12:22:03 GMT -6
What I find interesting that we turn these threads into scheme debates and how one loss equals a crappy scheme and one win the new magic bullet. There were threads all revved up when Air Force and Navy won their games in convincing style. The build up to GT/Iowa was driven by the thought that their "style" would be something that Iowa would struggle with. Still comes down to the players running that scheme. If choices were made by us HS coaches on what to run from who wins bowl games.....we would probably be able to find a team that won running the stuff we are now. That hit the nail on the head. Iowa won because they were just better. I dont care what offense you run or what defense for that matter. You have to have the players execute. Iowa won because they exectuted bottom line. I had a coach come up to me the other day and started talking about how good Idaho's offense was. His quote "they run some good stuff". Well it's all good stuff. Idaho's offense is no different that any other One Back Scheme. They executed it well. Just like Iowa did. I promise you what they did on defense was not ground breaking. I have not broken the game down yet, but from a scheme stand point it looks like they did the same that Miami did to Georgia Tech last year. GT ran for almost 500 yards on them. It wasn't the scheme it was the execution by the players. How long til this thread gets Locked? I give it 10 more posts! LOL
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Post by knighter on Jan 7, 2010 12:45:06 GMT -6
Oh so you have seen the Iowa OLB's flanked out as wide as they were? And you have seen Norm Parker not run many games up front with his DL?
And yes I would put Iowa up against Texas, Alabama, Florida, Cinci, TCU, Boise, tOSU any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I believe our defense can keep us in the ballgame with anyone in the nation.
I am a super fan, and I also happen to know that Iowa played tOSU better than Oregon did, and played them better than USC did. Iowa has speed on defense, and they are physical. Not saying they would beat any of the top 5, but I dang near guarantee Iowa would play them within 3-10 points.
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Post by phantom on Jan 7, 2010 12:56:36 GMT -6
How long til this thread gets Locked? I give it 10 more posts! LOL Depends. If it stays on scheme and why Iowa stopped GT, no problem. The more "us" and "we" regarding a college team, though, the shorter the life span.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 7, 2010 14:36:09 GMT -6
Back in 2003, I coached in a program that ran SBV and we were very,very, good at it. We led the state in rushing and total offense.
We were racking up 30+ points on everyone we played, we were undefeated walking into the 8th game of the season. The team we played hadn't won a game yet and they didn't win one all season.. We squeaked by them, 7-6; our only score was a pick six..
Bottom line, we had better talent, period. But, the opposing DC knew how to defend option football and stopped us. They played great assignment football and sound defense all around..They didn't do anything special, they executed.
Redundancy; gotta love it.
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Post by blb on Jan 7, 2010 14:41:25 GMT -6
Option football forces defense to have to out-execute you too, not just out-personnel you.
I'm an option guy (Veer) from way back but I'm a Big Tenner too so I don't know who I was rooting for in this game.
But the bottom line - again - is, Iowa's defense out-executed Georgia Tech's offense. Period. It wasn't about schemes or adjustments.
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Post by knighter on Jan 7, 2010 15:05:55 GMT -6
1 Alabama (Iowa would give them a run for their money) 2 Texas (Iowa I think beats Texas) 3 TCU (Iowa would beat Horned Frogs) 4 Cincinnati (Iowa would beat the Cats) 5 Florida (Iowa would give Florida a run for their money) 6 Boise State (Iowa likely beats the Broncos) 7 Oregon (Iowa would beat Oregon) 8 Ohio State (OT loss with Iowa's backup QB) 9 Georgia Tech (defeated them) 10 Iowa 11 Penn State (defeated them)
I do not see any team on this list that is more than 3-10 points better than Iowa.
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Post by macwomac on Jan 7, 2010 16:56:44 GMT -6
I think there is a case for Iowa's defense and the "Shane Battier Effect." They aren't flashy, so often get over-looked and lead to the analysis that the opposing team is having an off night. Ferentz is huge on technique and fundamentals; I know they spent most of their first week in bowl prep on fundamentals before working scheme. With them sound in technique, they play fast and confidently. I think this is a major contributor in Tech's struggles. Tech didn't help themselves, but when the defense is executing at such a high level, any mistake is magnified. This is a recurrent theme when watching Iowa. Announcers often talk of opposing teams having an off day because all mistakes are magnified. Parker has always played his base defense with minor adjustments; this has caused many Iowa fans and opposing OC's to pull their hair out. I guess in the scheme/execution debate, I think this is a case when execution of the players makes the scheme very powerful.
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Post by bmarsh07 on Jan 7, 2010 17:37:44 GMT -6
knighter, I haven't posted on the since then as a Tech alum, I am sick to my stomach.. I'm with you, Coach- It got so bad, I ALMOST took St. Paul's name in vain....
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Post by hlb2 on Jan 8, 2010 7:28:06 GMT -6
1 Alabama (Iowa would give them a run for their money) 2 Texas (Iowa I think beats Texas) 3 TCU (Iowa would beat Horned Frogs) 4 Cincinnati (Iowa would beat the Cats) 5 Florida (Iowa would give Florida a run for their money) 6 Boise State (Iowa likely beats the Broncos) 7 Oregon (Iowa would beat Oregon) 8 Ohio State (OT loss with Iowa's backup QB) 9 Georgia Tech (defeated them) 10 Iowa 11 Penn State (defeated them) I do not see any team on this list that is more than 3-10 points better than Iowa. I'm with Brophy on this one "spoken like a true fan".
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Post by blb on Jan 8, 2010 7:32:51 GMT -6
May I remind you, knighter, that Hawkeyes are 0-2 against WESTERN Michigan this decade? They have had their struggles with that noted powerhouse, Iowa State, as well.
And, what was that Northern Iowa score from September again?
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Post by knighter on Jan 8, 2010 9:15:56 GMT -6
my question blb is did they beat northern iowa? i believe the scoreboard said they did.
1. Alabama (Iowa would play them better than a McCoy"less" Texas did) 2. Texas (minus McCoy Iowa beats them) 3. TCU (Iowa beats them) 4. Cincinnati (Iowa beats them) 5. Florida (I think Iowa plays them tough but may not have enough to beat them UNLESS it is in a bowl game) 6. Boise State (I think Iowa defensively gives Boise State fits, TCU had a good run defense and Iowa's run defense is BETTER) 7. Oregon (Considering tOSU beat Oregon I think Iowa would beat them as well considering Iowa nearly beat tOSU with a backup red shirt freshman at QB and with a true freshman playing RB) 8. Ohio State (see above Oregon, I would love to see this matchup with Stanzi at QB and Hampton at RB lets us not forget if Stross does not drop a TD pass ion the endzone Iowa beats tOSU and plays in the Rose Bowl and that is with a redshirt freshman at QB and a true freshman at RB in that game) 9. GT (Iowa dominated this game plain and simple, physically just beat them up play after play. Offensively Stanzi was solid, and a true freshman RB gained 113 yards on 16 carries) 10. Iowa 11. Penn State (Iowa has Penn State's number with Ferentz at the helm)
also blb who cares about the "decade" I am talking THIS year. Good teams find a way to win close games. Had Stanzi not gotten hurt I believe Iowa is undefeated THIS season (they beat NW, and they likely beat tOSU). Had they had Hampton healthy (or Brinson for that matter), Bulaga healthy early, and Moeaki in the early going UNI, Ark St. would not have even been close games. Face it Ferentz does more with less. How many 4 star recruits does Iowa get? How many "scandals" involving cheating is Iowa charged with over the years? Ferentz and his staff do a tremendous job at developing the kids they are able to get. Seems to me that Dallas Clark (who was a walkon at Iowa, and Bob Saunders who had what 3 scholarship offers (all from perceived "lower" status programs similar to Iowa) have gone on to have awfully good pro careers. That is just 2 of the many Iowa players who have become big time talents and highly sought after players in the NFL after tutelage of the Iowa staff (Kampmann, DeVries, Hodge, B. Sapp, Greenway, Gallery, Weigmann, Roth, Keading, etc. etc etc.)
How many of those guys were even 3 or 4 star recruits?
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Post by dubber on Jan 8, 2010 9:48:50 GMT -6
Any comments I have made are NOT a reflection on the flexbone, which I consider a dandy of an offensive system.
It's on the inability/unwillingness/whatever of GT to get the defense off balanced.......
I mean, I don't care how bad@ss your scheme is, and how much a genius your coach is (which PJ definitely is), if you are going to run the ball on EVERY first down.
Versus superior talent (and I think we need to give that concession to the IOWA defense), that'll get you killed.
Again, not the flexbone's fault.
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