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Post by los on Oct 22, 2007 19:11:20 GMT -6
Broph, those fast teams you played earlier, probably won't let you pass or get outside right off ? Our rule of thumb was #1.- if we have the team speed= the playbooks open ;D #2.- if the other guys are awesomely faster and better across the board = keep it between the tackles, try to bunch them up, then look for an opening to pass or get outside on some misdirection or something later( in other words, your kids will have to do something that most youth teams don't do very well= have long sustained drives, control the clock and either score or win the field position game, something the dbl. wing should excel at actually
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Post by los on Oct 22, 2007 19:29:10 GMT -6
I'm thinking about that team with the red helmets,white uniforms with the blue stripe on the pants in particular, by the way. I hate to make blanket statements as a rule, but its gonna be dang near impossible to "get outside" or "complete any pass to "your" players , that looks like an obvious pass"(maybe pa passes later in the game), those kids are tooo fast, well coached and tackle pretty well! I mean gosh, there stopping teams with only 9 guys up anywhere close to the los and 2 safetys 10 yds deep, nearly out of play for youth ball, and the LB's playing pretty deep. Thats pretty impressive in anyones league.
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Post by brophy on Oct 22, 2007 20:12:07 GMT -6
good points.
Our best play is that wedge/lead to #21 (moved from Dallas). That is sound advice to bank on that in the next few games.
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Post by los on Oct 22, 2007 21:11:29 GMT -6
Right, in the first game vs the "red helmets" your fb made positive yardage the few times he carried on the film . Its just one of those situations where you gotta shrink the playbook to mostly north/south quick hitters with the occasional inside counter, cause the opposition is just too quick to do anything else. Maybe once you get those angled corners flying in there to stop the inside runs, you could hit somebody in the flat they just vacated? I've had many games like this where we could only run 2-3 inside run plays with any success, despite all "my" asst. dad helpers and fans thinking otherwise, lol! So yeah, that line of thinking would kinda tell me what I need to work on at practice = flawless inside running and sneaky play action passing (offense) and try to make those good teams "earn" their scores(defense).
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Post by tedseay on Oct 23, 2007 9:54:04 GMT -6
We scrimmaged with a running clock and no halftime with the opponent borrowing players from some of their other aged teams that were on campus. Our kids were in an emotional funk after they learned we won via forfeit and to be honest, I wasn't really sure what was going on either (rules). Still working on that "set for one second before the snap" thing, I see? ;D ;D Lord, I love coaching youth football..."favorite color" questions and all.
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Post by brophy on Oct 25, 2007 11:40:12 GMT -6
we are working on game intimidation tonight
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Post by brophy on Oct 27, 2007 14:22:38 GMT -6
lost 7-6 today. nice. An equal team (I thought) that changed up their defense from what we saw from them three weeks ago. with some 25 year old guys playing DT for them (I'm pretty sure). We get a pick for 6 in the 3rd qtr, then brain fart for the PAT (run the same thing for PAT since the first game)....get a delay of game, run it again, and then snap it early and down it. 4th qtr starts, we get the ball back off a fumble march it down the field running wedge and milk off 4 minutes....get down to the 5 yd line....get a holding call, and then {censored} it down our leg. Well, at least we are in the post season, I guess.
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Post by brophy on Oct 28, 2007 17:05:26 GMT -6
have at it.....
This was the beginning of the last game; [gvid]5482688254346269003[/gvid]
this was the final drive; [gvid]-8188659935978926093[/gvid] video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8188659935978926093
This is the team we will face in the 1st round (98% sure of it); [gvid]-1738855633226388526[/gvid] video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1738855633226388526 (playing our 'A' team at the 10 yr old level)
I have already asked for all the other coaches in the program to stay on another week to HELP us (it would be nice to not be the only coach in practice for a change) and this is what we do, yo...
looking at changing our GAM up to look like this vs the double-tight ace stuff that team runs;
We have nothing to lose, so any and all advice is appreciated.
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Post by los on Oct 28, 2007 18:22:10 GMT -6
Didn't get to see the other guys run any offense, just that one formation. What do they like to do? I like your defense naturally, cause it's starting to look more and more like the 61 we ran We didnt play the safetys very deep though Broph, bout 6-7 yds right over the TE's. Bout the only time we played a true 2 deep/3under zone was on a straight drop back look(which didn't happen much here) To allow the secondary to play aggressively yet still do their jobs in coverage, I gave them this basic rule of thumb for secondary force in our "normal" roll-3 coverage. Any run action "inside" the TE's=near safety supports hard=far safety rotates to middle 1/3rd, cb's 1/3rds, Any run action "outside" the TE's= near corner supports hard=safeties rotate to thirds, far corner is "stay home", "come late" backside 1/3rd. Everyone else play like you normally would? In other words Broph, we always played a 4 spoke secondary, much like this! Worked very well vs running and passing teams, I mean you could tweak some stuff here and there, but the basic defense had "no calls" from the sideline, the kids played it how they saw the play develop.
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Post by los on Oct 28, 2007 18:59:54 GMT -6
While this technique is not "what if" proof by any means, I felt pretty confident that we could get 8-9 guys down supporting the run, with "at least 2" laying back for pass and not getting sucked in trying to stop the run, while not having wasted players. The team in the yellow jerseys you just played, did some neat stuff out of the "I", that would stretch us a little thin but hopefully we could have remained sound. That play they ran with the dive and jet sweep(same side), then QB boot away, is the one I'm thinking about. They scored on the "boot" I think it was? Anyway, the dive would draw our near safety down, the jet sweep would draw the corner up(according to "my" little rule of thumb), leaving only the rotating far safety to cover that side of the field on a play action pass. The boot part shouldn't have been a problem, with a trailing DE and the backside corner playing that 1/3rd but slowly drifting over, with all the action seeming to go away.
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Post by brophy on Oct 28, 2007 19:36:37 GMT -6
we don't have any big guys especially nimble, so the whole point of doing this 6-1 / 4-3 thing was to pivot/slant the DT/NT into the gap. This essentially becomes a Gap 8 approach, because I'm going to put that #21 kid at MLB to clean up C gap to C gap and our decent LBs (our QBs) at CB force. (this was a cheap gimmick defensive thing I've done before against DW teams at the Varsity level that fouls things up inside)oh, yeah.... this was the pregame speech prior to the last game {censored} Googlevideo keeps chopping up these cuts..... [gvid]5185304378122988871[/gvid] video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5185304378122988871the final drive ... next opponent offense. [gvid]-8239912335083815818[/gvid] video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8239912335083815818
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Post by los on Oct 28, 2007 21:11:03 GMT -6
Uh Oh, more speed burners Was that a TE around, holy smokes. Might need another pre game speech like last weeks Good luck to ya, may the force be with you From the limited video, it looks like they "might" prefer the wide side of the field ? Might could slant the inside guys that way from time to time or make an actual "sky" call to that side? Or have a "strong" side, putting your better de, cb and safety to the wide side, if its not too confusing? Heck Broph, you know defense better than us part time,youth guys. I like #21 as the MLB also. He's a hitter not a grabber, lol! Matter of fact, the whole key to this thing may be, the kids on your team that "will hit", have got to knock the swagger out of these guys, or its lights out!
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Post by brophy on Nov 4, 2007 18:57:27 GMT -6
it's FINALLY OVER! this is the 2nd half of a 12-0 los to a really decent team that was just too big for our kids there is a play there at the beginning where our QB fumbles, they recover and run it back for a score.....and 4 or 5 of our kids get blasted and lay on the field and have to be taken off the field - the video doesn't show the two other ones that go down near the 25...We call a timeout for the PAT and all the kids are balling in the huddle.... (I've never seen that happen before) [gvid]-3981670463452892712[/gvid] video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3981670463452892712
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Post by los on Nov 4, 2007 19:47:05 GMT -6
LMAO, if you coach enough kid ball, you'll see lots of crying. Hey Broph, we were so bad at the hs I helped at awhile back, in one particularly ugly game, the team came to the sidelines for a timeout and "all the coach's were balling" What a season though, you guys put forth a noble effort, now lets "all" have a "good cry" in our beverage of choice and we'll try again next year, lol
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Post by brophy on Nov 4, 2007 21:35:19 GMT -6
well our best plays, in order were; 1) FREEZE (used it successfully SIX times in the last game) 2) WEDGE 3) and I was real proud we actually executed 47 C B-Back Lead correctly. [gvid]-5294069173288130870[/gvid] video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5294069173288130870Problems included our RT being on vacation, starting A back MIA, backup C back MIA for 2 weeks, our LT being soft as pudding. Two quarterbacks both come to me right before the game and say, Jimmy: "Coach, do you think Johnny can start this game at quarterback?" Johnny; "Coach, do you think Jimmy can start this game at quarterback?" that was interesting. Kids played hard, they all played, and we did better than expected. Oh well. It is difficult to get good at anything when 1/2 decide not to show up for practice or games. So long as they had fun - I coached this year, mainly to make sure my son got some decent coaching (not the win-or-else spazzes that flood this age level).
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Post by los on Nov 5, 2007 8:00:47 GMT -6
I feel ya dude, hearing about your trials and tribulations in "kid ball" this season, and the daily struggles with attendance, focus/lack of execution, courage issues, crazed coach's, inconsiderate parents, missing equipment 1 minute before game time, etc.. brings back a lot of... well, some kind of memories?... might be nightmares?... might be post traumatic stress?.... Not sure? But anyway, its been several years, since coaching my last youth team, and I can finally sleep through the entire night, without waking up in a cold sweat and screaming = "No Bobby, your other left" "Somebody tackle that kid" "Where's my starting backfield, anyone see them at school today, " "Thats not the play I called" Aaaaaahhh, Aaaahhhhhh!
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Post by brophy on Feb 19, 2008 4:41:17 GMT -6
sorry, we were fresh out of gangsta rap [gvid]4370783928561897950[/gvid] if I did it over again, I would've; - scrapped the wide formation
- used wedge on the first day
- found time somehow to train the sloppiness out of the QBs
- #21 would've been the QB (came late in season)
- used 1/2 as many plays
- got some assistants that could coach a position (handed the HC thing late in July, while doing DC thing for HS)
- just used power,counter, & wedge....we wasted a lot of time on super power, power keep, & power boot
- never volunteered in the first place
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Post by los on Feb 19, 2008 8:17:43 GMT -6
I love that FB wedge/QB keep combo play there Brophy.....I'll have to add that to my youth playbook....good stuff there.
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Post by raiderpirates on Mar 31, 2008 8:52:44 GMT -6
Any time you get the kids believing in a system and playing high motor like that, that's what it is to be a true team. Everyone on the same page, with the same purpose. The best thing about moving the ball around is the urgency people take blocking for one another.
Congrats on the season, Brophy. You learned more than they did(it's always like that). Not so much about football itself, which you knew well already, but about you. You knew a lot of that already as well, but they always find ways to help you learn more.
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