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Post by los on Sept 16, 2007 16:59:43 GMT -6
Nice job Brophy and team!
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Post by brophy on Sept 16, 2007 20:23:49 GMT -6
we have a great play, it's called "Get-the-ball-to-the-fastest-kid-in-the-district.......one ONE!"I'm a freaking genius! We had a great pre-game devotional . "If you don't win this game - you are a sinner, and God hates you"we have a lot of work left to do with this team.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 17, 2007 7:32:00 GMT -6
Very nice pics, they lined up much better this week from what I could see and not as much standing up as the previous week . I didnt see much on the field of the traditional DW toss/power/counter, are you still running those? What kind of defense was the opposition in? I cant seem to figure that out, they are all over the place.
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Post by los on Sept 17, 2007 8:06:47 GMT -6
Seriously Broph, nice call down there on the 1st ep, dbls right=no defenders came outside much=good play! Nice passing game(lefty qb?) Sweeeet punt return! Excellent!
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Post by brophy on Sept 17, 2007 8:47:32 GMT -6
Very nice pics, they lined up much better this week from what I could see and not as much standing up as the previous week . I didnt see much on the field of the traditional DW toss/power/counter, are you still running those? What kind of defense was the opposition in? I cant seem to figure that out, they are all over the place. lol....tell me about it. We did run some more power & (counter) C in the 2nd qtr & 2nd half. For some reason, google cuts my larger videos to 5 min when I upload them (?). Yes, it is important that we run the Wyatt stuff (I don't want to deviate from it, just give us an out when it isn't working). Personally, I am not a big rah-rah guy (it gets old). The opposing team was big, arrived on a charter bus, and were hollering and intimidating our kids before the game. The big thing to start the game was to get physical as fast as possible (wedge) to at least get the kids "into" the game (and not scared like the week before). The uniformity of get-offs is something we need to work on, of course....and mental visualization required before the game (snap count, formation, assignment). Now, we face probably the best team in the district this week (scouted all the other teams we will play this year...and THIS team is good), so we will spend a lot of time on making what we have been doing better. The biggest problem has been just a lack of focus when it matters).
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Post by brophy on Sept 17, 2007 13:49:11 GMT -6
2nd part of the Offensive clips different backs and quarterback (ran more 'follow' before power) [gvid]3794161696447247165[/gvid] video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3794161696447247165we go to run 47 C that we worked on most of the week, so I sub the starting guard back in and tell him "okay, you're going in to run 47C, run your 'C' block and kick out the end, then come back out/"He completely whiffs, doesn't pull, and then says.... "oh! I forgot!"I had a talk with his dad before the game about being careful how much 'praise' and "encouragement" (wink wink) he gives him, because it is going to hurt him later. It has been easy for the kid up to this point and football has never really had to work at it. The point is, be realistic with the kid - execution and focus is everything.....don't be so quick to compare him and his play to NFL stars. The guy starting at guard next week will be 1/2 his size, but he knows the job.
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Post by los on Sept 17, 2007 14:28:01 GMT -6
#21 is a bull, lol! Kids gonna be tough someday! O- line got a much better push this game. Nice job!
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Post by eickst on Sept 17, 2007 14:47:24 GMT -6
I love the part where your QB lined up under the guard and your FB had to move him over...CLASSIC! LOL
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Post by brophy on Sept 17, 2007 15:21:52 GMT -6
I love the part where your QB lined up under the guard and your FB had to move him over...CLASSIC! LOL Dats good coaching dat.
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Post by coachjim on Sept 17, 2007 15:50:42 GMT -6
Congrats on your win Broph!
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Post by davecisar on Sept 18, 2007 6:05:16 GMT -6
What kind of defense is that? Ive not seen so many DL players in 2 point stances before. Do they always do that or just against you guys?
Buses and field turf, wow must be nice.
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Post by brophy on Sept 18, 2007 6:33:36 GMT -6
What kind of defense is that? Ive not seen so many DL players in 2 point stances before. Do they always do that or just against you guys? Buses and field turf, wow must be nice. Dis de South, cher! From what it looked like, they were running GAM...its just that we try to get the offense on the line and set as fast as possible. I've seen some GAM teams stand up the weak B gap (like a linebacker). I have no idea why. The team we play this week play a 4-3 C1, but they do it a little different (though I understand why).... They put their DL in the A&B gaps and OLBs in the C gaps (LBs are 5 yds deep, with the FS 15 yds deep) ---------------------F---------------------------------- ------------W--------M---------S-----$--------------- C-------------E---T----T---E---------------------C--- ---------X--O--O--[--]--O--O--Y---------------------
i'm not kidding, THAT is what they run. Sometimes they drop the W into C gap in a 3pt. everyone runs DW in this program below 11 year old....then they go to the spread
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Post by davecisar on Sept 18, 2007 7:25:35 GMT -6
Wild stuff for youth football, but if you have a bus and want to act like that , I guess.
Ive seen GAM teams but all have had their bearcrawlers on all 4s on the ball in the A&B gaps, never have seen all of them in 2 points. I know the GAM and have seen it just 5-6 times. With a nasty split and running off-tackle, pretty simple to beat a true GAM defense.
Not sure what that defense was, the first few snaps, kids everywhere, then they seemd to line up in some kind of modified GAM, but no low bearcrawlers and lots of kids in 2 point stances ( wedge meat). We are fast tempo "no huddle" team and have been for last 6 seasons.
Next weeks opp: Looks like you will have to school your FB on who to block on your off-tackle plays, as he probably isnt used to seeing no DE on the LOS.
Around here everyone pretty much lines up in a base 5-3 or 6-2 , 3 points stances etc, youve seen the footage. Of course we are going to wedge to death anything less than a 5 man DL, so maybe its how they line up against us only. I wouldnt know, Ive only scouted 2-3 games in last 7 years. Will try and post some vid here this week or next.
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Post by brophy on Sept 22, 2007 16:09:14 GMT -6
Before the game today, I looked over to our star back and said, "I'm not supposed to let you play since you failed math, but we need you in there so, what I have to do is ask you a math question, and if you get it right, you can play." The kid agrees, and I looked into his eyes intently and asked, okay, now concentrate hard and tell me the answer to this. "What is two plus two?" He thought for a moment, and then he answered, "4?" "Did you say 4?" I exclaimed, excited that he got it right. At that, all the other players on the team began screaming. "Come on coach, give him another chance!" No, but seriously, we got taken to the shed today by the best team in the district. 22-0....just waxed all over the field. Interior OL/DL did alright, but backs can't get out of their own way and completely out athletededed.
Playing with 16 or so kids, and after the first few series, about half of them pretty much give up and would rather be eating fruit rollups.
At least someone brought snacks after the game.
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Post by los on Sept 22, 2007 20:22:55 GMT -6
LMAO, your the man Brophy! You can't quit coaching youth teams, you got the perfect temperment and viewpoint for it, lol! But, you know what "they" say about losing, at least you all learned something 2+2=4 or 2 plus 2 = 22-0 or something like that? Next game, wait 10 minutes, then ask if anyone even remembers the score. Answer= "Naw coach, but did you see me truck that boy", lol! "You gonna eat the rest of your fries coach"?
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Post by bhb on Sept 22, 2007 20:39:58 GMT -6
Brophy,
With kids that young, do yourself a HUGE favor and get a TEAM MOM.. She'll handle putting a snack schedule together.. Have the parents rotate nights- you've got your hands full herding cats..LOL..
Team Moms are the best, they handle everything that isn't football related..
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Post by brophy on Sept 23, 2007 18:08:20 GMT -6
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Post by davecisar on Sept 23, 2007 19:24:26 GMT -6
In that defense (your opp) is it possible for the off-tackle gap to be any bigger?
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Post by brophy on Sept 23, 2007 19:57:13 GMT -6
I think it could be....but when you have as much speed as they do(and as bad ends as we do) it doesn't matter.
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Post by los on Sept 23, 2007 20:05:22 GMT -6
Those kids are faaaast Broph. Man, they swarm to the ball. To level the playing field here, they should play 3or4 more guys 10 yards off the los, 9 vs 11 isn't fair, lol! Just kidding buddy, but you got your hands full with this team for real! Just making a few 1st downs would be a good days work for most teams against these guys, lol!
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Post by brophy on Sept 23, 2007 20:23:34 GMT -6
the post-game prayer was tough.
Telling the kids that God does not love them anymore was heart-breaking, but that is the Gospel, man. Jesus loves winners, not sinners.
If we don't win the next one, I think it is time to break out the pentagrams......
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Post by los on Sept 24, 2007 13:41:04 GMT -6
By the way, thats the longest coin toss ceremony I've ever witnessed! Whats up with that
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Post by brophy on Sept 29, 2007 11:44:11 GMT -6
okay, so we have no game today (bye) which I'm not sure we'll win.......
I am at wits end because I just can't take anything seriously at this level because these are just 10 year olds.
Last week in our game we were trying to run our tackle over set that we have practiced quite a few times before in practice. We take a time out during a game, with the field to our sideline, so we want to run a tackle over QB keep to our sideline (something to get on the edge quickly with numbers). I look the LT in the eye and say, "YOU ARE GOING ON THE RIGHT SIDE.....YOU ARE LINING UP RIGHT NEXT TO ___, THE RIGHT TACKLE....." and repeat it FOUR times (seriously) before I send them back on the field, all with a refrain of "yeah, coach, yeah.....
Break the sideline and the kid goes to line up on the left side...............
This week, spend more time with the OLine on the boards (and QBs on footwork) on how to down / Gap block....just chugging through chutes to ingrain the path of a downblock. Whoever ends up in that alley gets washed.
We are doing a good job of 6" steps and chugging through boards, then we add a trunch punch at the end of the board to reinforce the explosive extension to the chest. Kids are doing it well, staying low and getting an extension (keeping a low base, not lunging).
go through the whole line....ends, guards, centers.....go to the biggest kid on the team (probably 2x as big as any kid) and he says...."NO! I don't wanna make him mad!"
Mind you, we aren't mauling anyone here....we are duck walking to a player 4 yards away and reaching our arms out to him.
I explain it every way I can, explain he has nothing to worry about because we're only working on the steps.
He refuses, starts tearing up, and walks away.....then he starts balling because he is so scared of getting this other kid upset.
*%$#*@! it !
If I had another alternative (or any other body) I would replace his butt.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 29, 2007 11:54:35 GMT -6
Matt,
Thats a new one. Ive been doing this for 15 years and this year am coaching an all rookie age 7-9 team as well as 10-11s and neve seen anything like that, not even close.
My 10 and 11s are real football players run jet stuff, no huddle etc\ averaging about 35 ppg. They really bring it.
My 7-9s are less attentive, dont execute as well but in 5 games just 8 total penalties and 1 turnover, so improving each week. We run 5 different formations etc But not seen anything like you describe, unusual group, not normal for 10 year olds at all.
Will post some game film in the next week or so.
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Post by brophy on Sept 29, 2007 12:01:58 GMT -6
okay....................
so what do you do about it? I am not coaching in your league - what do you do with this kind of crap?
I am working with the kids that weren't good enough to be on the "A" team that we have, and I am the only coach on staff. I have some dads that hold bags, but they really don't know the scheme. As long as these kids find a love for the game, I'll be happy. It is keeping my sanity in the meantime, that I'm struggling with.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 29, 2007 12:27:19 GMT -6
Ive coached lots of B teams as well and never seen the kind of stuff you talk about from 10 year olds. A little from 6s but never from 10s.
To get your kids comfortable with contact that starts in the first practice. Comfortable meaning they arent afraid that they will get hurt or will hurt others. Lots of slow motion form tackling and blocking fits. Then doing lots of your buddy Hugh Wyatts "splatter drills" blocking and tackling on a landing mat of dummies from Close quarters. Gets them over the hump to getting used to contact. Then close quarters live blocking and tackling drills, slowly moving the distance out. In the meantime doing lots of form stuff as well.
I see from your kids DVDs lots of motion penaltys etc, not very good attention spans and having just 1 coach is a problem. After game 1 shouldnt have many motion penalties or alignment issues at that age.
You can teach any chimpanzee how to teach your GAM bearcrawlers or even the first two steps of a lineman block. best use of my time is always to train my neophyte dad coaches. That frees me up to work with every group. Its youth football, not nuclear physics LOL, give them detailed drills and show them how to run them. Many times have had all rookie coaches on staff who knew little, those are the best kind they do what you tell em to do.
Best to take a deep breath, but know that kids this age can do everything you are trying to teach them and more. 5% of kids are totally unreachable and those are my bearcrawlers, with 19 kids that means 1 kid for me this year on one team and Ive got 19 on the other and have none. Both are non-select take eveyrone who shows etc.
If they dont do what I ask they run, we rarely have anyone run. I will take a kid like that off to the side and encourage him , pointing out he can do this and other good things he has done in the past.. But if he doesnt do the drill, he runs. Most kids playing for teams getting drilled often rarely develop a love for the game has been my personal experience. My orgs teams that compete have very high retention rates, the ones that arent competitive have very high non return rates, its very common for youth football teams.
At than age we always do our conditioning using "game time" fun team building games that get the kids running, they beg for it and since we waste zero time on conditioning, agilities or cals, we have plenty of time to do it. It keeps the practices fun, gets our kids conditioning and I would not let a kid like you describe participate in these games until he had changed his attitude, it's a privledge they have to earn.
IF you are having a problem with them lining up in a specific set, I would have the kids on the sidelines and then make them run in and line up on that set. We have 5 different formations and the kids come from the sidelines and line up on that set, we go back to the sidelines and then come in and line up in the next one etc. Good way to get conditioning in. We rep it like anything else and the 7-9s seem to have zero problems with it with the exception of one player who we have play defense only and we sub him on at offensive tackle in our base set only. If you arent wasting a lot of practice time with cals, agilities and conditioning, lots of time to do it. We only practice 2 nights a week, now just 75 minutes each.
What I see from your kids on DVD is very poor first steps and poor pad placement as well as some linemen not blocking anyone at all. I wouldnt go to the drill you are teaching ( advanced) until they master the base first 2 steps or wedge blocking first ( basic)and are consistently blocking the right defender on each play.
My opinion is most non aggressvie o-lines are not aggressive because the kids arent comfortable with WHO they are supposed to block, not how to block. if you are blocking GOA, gap, on, area, I would go to gap, on Down instead. Area is so nebulous and confusing for kids that age.. I would suggest Lots of fit and freeze reps with your O-line fitting on dads holding dummies as you run plays. Also most youth coaches get way too few reps in during offense. YOU need to be running 3-4 plays per minute. Many run 1 play every 3-4 minutes. I call the cadence to speed up the pace and get the kids lined up, if you dont they delay to get their breath.. Fit the rep, line up on the LOS, I call the next play and so on. We even sub every play doing this and never get below 3 plays per minute. Big time waster for many youth coaches. Time your reps, Ive studied other youth teams and seen the 1 play per 3 minute pace from teams that are not doing very well. So in 30 minutes we get 90+ reps in and they get just 10, come Sunday theres going to be a huge difference in execution.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 29, 2007 15:53:56 GMT -6
okay.................... so what do you do about it? I am not coaching in your league - what do you do with this kind of crap? I am working with the kids that weren't good enough to be on the "A" team that we have, and I am the only coach on staff. I have some dads that hold bags, but they really don't know the scheme. As long as these kids find a love for the game, I'll be happy. It is keeping my sanity in the meantime, that I'm struggling with. Your first and last year of coaching youth football, just trying to give you a frame of reference as to what is and isnt doable. What is and isnt "the norm".
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Post by los on Sept 29, 2007 19:41:12 GMT -6
We didn't have the numbers of kids you all do Brophy and Dave, so usually only had one team of each age group 8-10 and 11-12 and had all kind of kids on the same team=large and small, good and terrible, fearless and scared of everything, quiet and trash talker, eager and timid. Sometimes the peer pressure of being on a team with your buddys and not wanting to look stupid in front of them, helps you overcome some of your personal issues, sometimes it takes a patient coach with enough time, taking an interest in a kid and getting to know what makes him tick and trying to find the right buttons to push to get him going? Who the heck knows? Theres a secret kid pecking order that only they know I've had my starting 10 yr old qb refuse to scrimmage the 11-12 team one season when we really needed the realistic practice, and he was the biggest kid on our team and bigger than most of the older guys, couldn't talk him into it either, jeez we just wanted him to hand it off to the couple guys that weren't scared to run it then he could fall down in the fetal position,whatever, but he was so scared he took his equipment off So we went on without him. Game time thurs, he was ready to go, just had that mental block about playing those kids a year or so older? Brophy, that was the gist of one of my early in the season speeches to these guys around here every year, "hey, I can teach you guys how to play football, but I can't teach you "courage", you all gotta find that for yourselves out here". There is no "wizard of oz" who automatically doles out brains, heart and courage. Some of them find it ,some don't Broph, not a heck of a lot "you" can do about it other than keep pushing them to try? End of ranting now, lol.
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Post by coachjim on Sept 30, 2007 3:03:39 GMT -6
Brophy. Hrm, where to begin? Well first, that GAM looks pretty well coached. How you get 8-10 year olds to bear crawl the entire game and not get tired is beyond me, though. I could never do it with my team of 12, AND run the jetmo. They'd drop like flies after the third quarter. It appears in video two, that the DE's aren't always doing what they are supposed to... slanting inward. I suppose that's why that off-tackle hole looked so huge. They didn't box. The result... big play. Boxing and containing is Sooo hard to get them to do on the field, no matter how many reps.
Now. About that kid on your team that frustrates you. I might have some insight and advice on this, actually. First off, my kid is the biggest kid on the team but absolutely will not kick the other kids butt all over the field like I want him to. He's a good hearted kid that simply knows he can but doesn't want to hurt anyone else. I can't fault him for that EXCEPT in football. What i've done with him and one or two others, and i'm not sure if this is a Cisar drill or I picked it up from someone else, but I find this drill has helped the most for agressiveness:
........................................................BAG..Coach ........................................................BAG ........................................................BAG ........................................................BAG..Coach ........................................................Kid (with hand bag)
........................................................Coach (with hand bag) ........................................................Tackler
Basically, this is for removal of :hitting and getting hit: fear. The Tackler gets into stance, has to get by the Coach with hand bag, then hits the kid in the rear as hard as he can in the hand bag, knocking him back into the large pads behind him. The coaches are there just to make sure the bags don't move around. These cushion his fall. The kid with the bag cannot move. This helps with hitting and getting hit, all at the same time. My kid still won't hurt other kids, despite what I say, perhaps he will never be a pro football player. You can't change someone's personality, but you can try that drill, and remove some of the fear and misconception that the other kid is always going to get hurt. Hope that helps bud. It's almost over. Almost, keep up the good work. Don't get frustrated, it's not worth it.
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Post by brophy on Sept 30, 2007 7:06:45 GMT -6
yeah, we've done that drill over a dozen times .......(Wyatt calls it the Pancake Drill........some call it the "Ragin Cajun Drill") Every practice we go over form fitting tackling and the kids do it well. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-509227244300003306 [gvid]-509227244300003306[/gvid]
Heck, all last week, all we did was 5 min circuit work to keep the pace up and keep the emphasis on fundamentals. (form tackling, angle tackling, fumble recovery, forcing fumbles, team getoff on movement...... power blocks, power steps for backs, fit & drive, power pass steps & routes, team getoff on cadence, INDY tempo offense.....)
Last practice of the week, I convinced the directors of our program to allow us to interprogram scrimmage our other age group team (the "A" team) for practice. We volunteered to be their scout team for an hour. We did scout defense for an entire hour, to give our other team a good look heading into their Saturday game, and also force our kids to be competitive and challenge them (because there is no way we can give ourselves a look like that).
Now, I'm not saying I am super coach here, and I can't take insight, but "this kid" is just mentally soft, and he's not alone. He has cried before in practice because 1) he can't get in a stance....2) he can't keep his pants pulled up when he gets up to the line ....but, for the most part he hustles. Another fat kid, just is a complete turd for 90% of the time (lazy, doesn't hustle, spacing out)...and YES, the entire team runs when he (or anyone else) isn't running to a station.
My frustration is..........hey, I want these kids to win and have a good experience. We aren't doing anything outlandish in scheme, I think the expectations are basic and legitimate. My frustration is that the majority of parents I have, want their kids to win, so long as their kid doesn't have to do any work..........if that makes any sense. Enabbling kids to "think they are better" than they really are.
We have 4 kids you could really just go to war with.... another 3 or 4 kids who just started playing, are having fun, and can get things done, but nothing spectacular.... the rest, are still a little immature, and physically outmatched. For our age group, we are having a challenge to compete (think "Little Giants", no seriously).
It was good to help out the "A" team, but it was CRYSTAL CLEAR where the real players were. Even our "4 good players" wouldn't start for the "A" team.
Now, I'll take the blame, because admittedly I'm a horrible coach, I guess I wasn't prepared to deal with "sport psyches" that are all over the board.
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