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Post by brophy on Sept 1, 2007 19:37:44 GMT -6
I suck.
Okay, the instruction, tempo, and general football stuff......no problem.
Unfortunately, that makes up about 2% of youth ball.
The snacks, the politics, the surrogate mothering, the sensitive feelings, keeping mom happy, party-time, butterfly chasing, snacky-snacky crap.........
The solution is to just not take it that seriously, right?
I mean, have a basic practice outline, get what you can get in in a fun way, rep it, then Chuck E Cheese it at the end of practice, right?
Any help here folks on how to reach out to really young kids?
I mean, we do the WHO & HOW stuff, and assign (and rep) everyone at a position, but 100% participation / engagement seems like herding cats.
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Post by los on Sept 1, 2007 20:50:59 GMT -6
Sounds like you got a good handle on it Broph, but no fast fooding it after practice though, thats only for after games(win or lose) and bring lots of extra money so noone gets left out! Have fun, Be yourself and good luck! We all "suck" at times, when dealing with little kids, ours and other peoples! los
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Post by coachjim on Sept 2, 2007 3:49:51 GMT -6
Keeping mom happy, Broph? I'm thinking you have a couple of cute milfs in your program? Nice! Surrogate mothering? Mwahaha. hrm... *cringe* Well, i'm not sure about the exact question. To increase participation, seperate them into smaller groups. Stroke their little egos. Give them the "legend" speech. That's the one where you tell them they aren't in the pro's but what they do this season can turn them into legends, in the town, and a hundred years from now. Break a TD record, let up no yards, etc... etc... To deal with snacky-snack time and chasing butterflies, again, smaller groups so that they have no time for boredom? Are you running the I? I forget. Get rid of it. Install the spread and while you might not complete more than 5% of your passes all year, now that's a fun offense. Personalize some of the plays and put their names in there. The Dave Pass or Charlie 29 Sweep. Or, Brains mothers butt pass. That always gets their attention. I can't believe your wit and great personality isn't taking care of the problem on its own. Maybe you are a little bored yourself; just going through the motions. Liven it up. Get into it, again. Have fun! I remember posting about a year ago, that I bet your kids really dig you. Now you sound a little down. Get that edge back. Put in a fancy play or something. My kids are always asking for things that are fun. I give it to them. Try the following *cough* unconventional drills: 1/ Bear crawl for the ball: You kick the ball and they all bear crawl to it. When someone recovers the ball, he gets to get out of the drill. Even the kids that are "out" enjoy watching the others bear crawl around until the drill is over. It teaches several different fundamentals, is fun (teehee.. for me) and breaks up the monotony of practice. 2/ Kill the guy with the ball. This is a great drill to find your most aggressive players, willing to take unusual punishment just to touch it. I found my FB during that drill, hands down. 3/ Lion in a cage drill: Form a huge circle with them, the ball and two players on the ground in the middle have to jump up, grab the ball, and then get out of the circle. They have a lot of fun with that drill too. 4/ Run up the hill: Now this is a drill they will truly hate. It involves them getting in a stance and running up and down a hill for about an hour. Always have one drill they hate, so you can threaten them with it. Works like a charm. 5/ Delegate, delegate, delegate. Make your assistants do everything and flirt with the milfs. That's what I do. It keeps it interesting, and fun. At least for me. Good luck Broph. Don't forget how much fun your having... you are, you really are.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 2, 2007 10:00:00 GMT -6
We do a minute by minute scripted practice plan that is distrubuted to all the coaches. Lots of properly taught fit fundamentals Lots of fit and freeze line and full team work Very little live scrimmaging No conditioning, just games that get the kids winded for 15 minutes at end of practice We dont negotiate with parents Kids are held accountable to 100% concentration when coach says the word "readY' entire team responds "focus" Everyone has to be silent and staring at coach, they arent looking at me, they run. NEver a problem after week 1. IF you dont hold them accountable to listening, they will never learn anything and your practices and team will be chaos. Kids the age you are coaching can be taught to execute well and have a good time at the same time. Very fast tempo, I call cadence to get 3 plays run on air with shields at POA every minute, one perfect rep every 20 seconds. Linemen take correct first 2 steps, backs run the play out 15- 20 yards. Most youth practice are RUN WAY TOO SLOW. Thats how we get away with practicing less than 1/2 as much as our competition. Condition during practice, not seperate segment. No time wasting cals etc, 10 minute dynamic warmups that incorporaet stance, start, form, cadence and angle form fit tackling all without helmets.
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Post by brophy on Sept 2, 2007 14:18:27 GMT -6
I just got a guy who actually wants to help. I have two other 'coaches', they have the "stand around and watch" thing down pat.
10 min segments throughout practice. Dynamics Specials --break Group O Team O --break Group D Team D --break Scrimmage / Split Team Competition Devotionals
I haven't been able to break the kids up until I got this recent coach, because the other guys just weren't able to be "alone".
other teams in the program [gvid]7513212334552020433[/gvid] our team after 5th practice [gvid]1910032935179629180[/gvid]
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Post by los on Sept 2, 2007 16:07:56 GMT -6
Pretty good! You can see most of the kids getting more confident and their execution getting better every play. Thats the important thing I guess, doesn't matter where you start, long as you show steady improvement? By the way, awesome field!
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Post by coachjim on Sept 2, 2007 22:30:56 GMT -6
How cute, love those little guys running the DW.
Man, I can't get enough of those little vid clips on posts, incredible. What an amazing feature.
Lots of white jerseys around the plays, gotta appreciate that Broph. Not bad for six year olds, not bad at all. Gotta love youth football. So much fun to watch and teach em... still... I know what you mean. I'm kinda glad i've got 8-10 year olds. Its all about awareness and what a difference a year or two makes. My days of coaching D teams are probably over now, now that I got a taste of what the older kids can do.
The DW for six year olds. Classic. Did you win that one or don't keep score yet?
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Post by brophy on Sept 3, 2007 17:15:47 GMT -6
we missed last Thursday because it was the Varsity opener........so, technically, tomorrow is our 9th practice, with our first game on Saturday. To make up for the 'lost' time, every kid is going home with this DVD of our "(first game) Opener playbook", which includes a copy of the their scrimmage from two weeks ago. [gvid]-8516387771452937793[/gvid] video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8516387771452937793tons of praise to the gracious Brad Knight for the awesome GH Pirate clips * the "wedge" clips are actually lead plays, but they will get the idea. PS - I was all out of gangsta rap.....
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Post by davecisar on Sept 3, 2007 22:08:41 GMT -6
I thought your team was the older group, not the youngest ones. Which one is it? Nice stuff to send home with the boys.
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Post by brophy on Sept 8, 2007 10:27:51 GMT -6
okay, so my 4A team squeaks by a 1A team on Friday night......... then this morning, get manhandled at the 10 year old level (21-0) Without thinking, I am just a little frustrated (with the offense), to be frank. Actually, we CAN pass very well (not by design), our best play was actually a direct snap to the B (F) back who throws it to the motioning QB in the flat (like a flash screen) and a Power pass. Power, Superpower, Power keep, wedge, wedge pass, counter (47C), and reach toss. Part of it, I'm sure, had to do with both starting ends not being present (due to grades) and being replaced by the 4th team Ends (kids that have gotten plenty of reps, but are like 4'2" and 75lbs) and about as intimidating as wet toothpaste. Another part was the fact that our opponents were massively big and very experienced (hats off to them). So, without the ability to move anyone off the LOS, it was a rough going, because if you can't run "power", what else can you really run in this offense?
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Post by los on Sept 8, 2007 19:31:18 GMT -6
Amen Brophy, that last sentence says it all and goes for every offense. We ran the "I" for many years and those were my sentiments exactly, on occasions where we were mismatched or just scared or something? "If we can't find one place on the los where we can block someone, what the beepin heck are we supposed to run?"
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Post by brophy on Sept 8, 2007 20:49:54 GMT -6
adjustment this week?
MORE team instruction period........unbalanced.....and maybe HB pass.
I am just at wits end, because everything in the toolbox was a Phillips screwdriver, and we needed a pair of pliers.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 9, 2007 4:40:22 GMT -6
IMHO weak inexperienced linemen in youth football have tremendous difficulty with reach blocks, doubt that one works for you. Would run sweep but pin the DE in with WB. Trap is a have to in this offense. Wedge Pass works great IF YOU have a well executing wedge. huge play for us when we ran DW 47 C is very good play if you can execute power well, Would go to the toss power ( 88 Superpower in what you are using) and get your QB in the mix and not play 10 vs 11 football. Need to be able to run wedge, most dont run it well or take the time to put it in correctly, take a look at the progression we use to put it in on my web site in the articles sectionwww._ _
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Post by brophy on Sept 9, 2007 14:38:52 GMT -6
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Post by davecisar on Sept 9, 2007 16:15:06 GMT -6
Coach, Typical things you see with teams that havent had a lot of attention the th e O-Line per your teams coaching dynamic. #1) HAVE to have the FB in very tight and in a 3 point stance. He takes everyone to the play nearly every time and he has to be hidden. He has terrible attack angles for his kickout blokcs, much easiier if he has his helmet right at the butt of the QB. Cant have him real high and deep in a 2 point. Hard to make it work until you fix that. HEs actually a pretty good player. #2) DOnt be afraid to pull, not pulling very much ,even the guard on the power. #3) GOt to hav esome lead blockers on counter play, can t be naked unless you have the top player inthe league running it. Wyatt wants you to kick with G and PUll through with the T. You can kick with FB, but he steps away first and you have to have motion on that play to make it work, Have to pull the string, with motion. #4) If that first play and some others were supposed to be wedge plays, very poor attempt at wedge. You must put it in in a progression and rep it every day for it to be a devasting and consistent play. If its "everyone step inside and push kind thing" not going to work. #5) You QB has an arm. but they dont respect the run because your kids arent executing, hence the passes dont work. I would work the heck out of Wedge, Super Power and counter and thats it . On wedge boot your Lefty QB left and once youve mastered the wedge then run wedge passes.
Doubt if another pass play is going to do much for you until your linemen step out low and to the inside every time with correct foot. Some are hinging on running plays. If they are uncomfortable in the Wyatt stances get em out IMHO it doesnt buy you much at this age group. Your FB and #18 can play, the linemen need very basic remedial instruction.
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Post by los on Sept 9, 2007 17:21:30 GMT -6
Brophy, man you can tell you're missing those 2 te's.You got a few good sized kids on the line though. If its me, I'm puttin the best blockers on the same side(left side was our better side) maybe even unbalance, get them all firing off the ball as a unit, get the ball to #18 going downhill behind them as quickly as possible and work your counters, sweeps and pa passes off that? My rule #1 in kid ball= attack the defense downhill quickly, cause, in the best of times, we ain't gettin much blocking for very long, lol! Once you get them all bunched up, looking to stop the inside game, the other stuff will work!
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Post by brophy on Sept 9, 2007 18:17:03 GMT -6
great advice - I apprecitae every one of you guys' imput.
I think some of these guys just didn't know what 'playing a game' is really like (since only 5 have played before), so hopefully, this experience will help them gain a perspective on what a 'real game' is like and what kind of effort is required.
Cripes! back to fundamentals.....blocking / tackling / stances........
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Post by tedseay on Sept 10, 2007 4:26:42 GMT -6
Cripes! back to fundamentals.....blocking / tackling / stances........ ...and there's your definition of "youth football coach" right there, hoss... ;D ;D
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Post by brophy on Sept 10, 2007 13:09:22 GMT -6
I need an intervention Now we are going to rep the Power, Counter, and wedge....and do it until all the defenders are on their back...but here is where I need help
I just found out that both our starting ends are gone (due to grades), so the two dwarfs you saw on film would be the 'starters'. Now I could put the backup wingbacks in at ends,but they are the same physical size. We have two other linemen we could put in, but neither are especially big, quicker, and both are <5' tall.
Here is my dilema, (if the FB and BSG do what they're supposed to do on power, we would be alright), do I provide ourselves an "out" in case they don't come around in the next two practices (or in the game)?
What I mean is,.....sure, we'll run power,counter, wedge / lead........but is it "wrong" to use screens to the "playmakers" to keep the chains moving? I am a total rookie here and "instinct" is telling me keep coaching them up, but you'd better have a backup because the guys I'd be relying on to "get it" are shaky at best.We quick count, freeze, and no-huddle already to try to control the tempo of the game (and give us some momentum), but the trigger finger is itching to start formationing and screening the opponents out of their comfort zone. With the group of guys we have (18 kids total now) we just won't be able to smashmouth opponents realisitically.
We will get approx 20 plays total in the game on offense, so dicking around with plays that aren't moving the sticks isn't going to help much (IMO)sample practice plans for this week;
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Post by los on Sept 10, 2007 14:45:12 GMT -6
Broph, not being a dbl. winger or advocate of pulling linemen in youth ball, I probably won't be much help to you, but I will say this about youth offense. With the limited amount of time we all have, to teach all the basic skills, rules etc.. , you almost have to get a little creative some years, to be able to compete! Sure, keep repping your base plays and the skills required to execute them, but don't be scared to think outside the box, in the way you have to run them. You're not always gonna have the kind of kids to just "plug in" a good blocking FB here, or a couple good pulling linemen there! It may take the entire season to teach these skills, meantime, how are we gonna move the chains, score some points? I agree Broph, if we can't run our base stuff properly,for whatever reason, out of a dbl tight under center, power formation= lets get in something that will let us, if we can't run the power one way=try another, more suitable to your teams ability!
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Post by davecisar on Sept 10, 2007 15:35:58 GMT -6
Before I go screening etc Im putting in something that fits into a series that you are already running rather than grab bagging. A wedge pass to #18 is going to be much better than a trick play or non series play. But #1 you got to get good at wedge, if you dont use the progression you will fail with it has to be taught a step at a time and repped every single practice. And it wont work if your FB is very high and deep like you have him now IMHO. Thats why your off tackle play isnt working , he is trying hard to make the block, but he has terrible angle. I dont care how small my ends are, they have to be quick is all and ok with contact. I owuodl even put a hard hittting backup wing or FB in if they can handle it. How many 10 year olds are taller than 5"? not many of mine.
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Post by brophy on Sept 10, 2007 16:08:05 GMT -6
thanks, Dave.
I hear ya
Hopefully, with the best of intentions, we execute better next week.
Bottom line is poor leverage on every play and no drive (lot of guys standing up, tapping, and turning around to watch the play)
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Post by davecisar on Sept 10, 2007 16:29:16 GMT -6
Yes, unfortunatley I have had to tell kids that look back at the play That if I see them doing that I will find a place for them to wact the game, next to me from the bench. Block to the whistle or sit, anyone thats watching sits.
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Post by brophy on Sept 10, 2007 16:45:46 GMT -6
okay, shoot holes in this, PLEASE...... Honestly, we have 5 guys that can actually play (2 are QBs). Now to help run the powers, I would like to put in a tackle-over set (for this week, to ONLY one side). Which doesn't really change anything, especially because we don't pull the BST. Secondly, because of the 20-play-thing I am a little nervous, therefore as the 'backdoor' I would like to just widen the wings ("Wide" formation) and utilize flat motion. -----------------L--T--G--[-]--G--T---R-------------- ---A------------------------Q-------------------------C -----------------------------B-------------------------- I mean, we can bring either one into the formation (with motion) to run power......and if you widen out with those guys, then we can run wedge with less defenders. And if you don't, we can throw 1 step flash screen to either one.... --(flash - as in one step - pop it to him - no linemen needed....because we are not a drop-back pass team, anyway) just a thought / quick-fix / take the "heat" in the box off us. I don't have the answers.....but, honestly, this would be the ONLY thing I would add "different" for the season. We still have FB Lead to throw in, and whatever else is in the DW arsenal (all in time), but I know we don't have much time to wait around on kids who really aren't serious about playing to become playmakers (if we expect to win). ** This is a bad idea, isn't it......I just can't help it. I mean, perimeter is points, and if we can get it to the perimeter to our skill guys then we at least have a shot, and the "liability" players are out of their way. And if you haven't figured it out by now, I have no pride, I will run what I'm supposed to run, I'm just trying to think about moving dem der chains!....POOO-EEE!
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Post by dolomite on Sept 10, 2007 19:11:54 GMT -6
I love the DW. I am not a big fan of Wyatts numbering system. I like Tim Murphys stuff the best. JMO. Good stuff brophy.
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Post by los on Sept 11, 2007 16:47:33 GMT -6
I like it Brophy, might even be able to incorporate a jet sweep into your basic plays or improve your off tackle blocking with the motioning wing kicking the emol? Like I told you before, if we didn't have a true FB, I liked to use the ace set! Lots of possibilities. Really like the flash screen idea, if the kid throwin the ball has any range, a little pump fake and go route would seem like another logical play? Guess it shows, I'm not a purist when it comes to an offensive system lol! Good luck with it. los
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Post by brophy on Sept 15, 2007 11:00:10 GMT -6
well, it was bound to happen some time or another. Won today, 33-0 (we are awesome when we play horrible opponents)I have to say, even though we still have a lot of work to do, Dave Cisar has been a tremendous help to me, personally, and his advice is gold. It is nice that we survived the second game, because there is nothing left to put in the playbook besides "lead" (didn't have time this week of practice because we just kept repping power & C blocks).Film to follow tomorrow. NOW, WHAT IS A GOOD WAY TO DEMAND PARENTS FILL UP THE SNACKY-SNACKY TREAT-TREAT CALENDAR?....been shelling out about $20 each practice to get these dudes fed, parents gotta ante up for this babysitting sometime....
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Post by los on Sept 15, 2007 21:17:13 GMT -6
$20 each practice? Stop it Brophy! Don't treat them at practice, lol! You're gonna have every kid within 20 miles wanting to play on your team for the free snacks, lol! The parents here always figured the registration fee covered the entire 10 - 12 weeks of baby sitting, but "most" would fork out enough for their kid to eat out after an away game, thats most, still cost me 10 - 20 bucks of my own money each trip, to keep some of the boys from being left out! In most youth coaching, you usually end up literally "paying to coach" or more accurately "paying to baby sit, feed and spend time with someone elses kids" lol, we gotta be really stupid?
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Post by coachtfry on Sept 15, 2007 23:47:23 GMT -6
Brophy, Check out the Bull & the Bear formations on the www.gregorydoublewing.com website. You should be able to run all of the plays you already use with no change in blocking assignments. The Bear puts a wing to the right, a qb under center and a tailback 5 yards behind the qb. The Bull is the same thing to the other side. You run the same plays, wedge, super power, power, trap, lead trap, counter, lead counter, super power flood pass, waggle pass, wedge fade pass and super power halfback pass (same as super power but the wing that receives the pitch passes the ball when everyone comes up to stop the super power) but you do not use motion. This gives you more power. I agree that you should flip flop your line. Put your best blockers on the play side and the other kids on the backside. One side learns how to pull and trap and the other blocks down all the time. Good luck.
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Post by brophy on Sept 16, 2007 16:09:51 GMT -6
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