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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2024 18:02:51 GMT -6
Coach, did integrity mean stuff "back then" when coaches such as Royal, Bryant etc. worked to keep their programs and other programs from being integrated until it became painfully obvious that it would benefit them? Or is that not considered the same? royal was a racist ahole I have friends dad's that played for him I don't know what this stuff has to do with integrity or "prime" I was simply pointing out that if wanted to start attacking the character of individuals, and saying that integrity means stuff, I am pretty sure that several if not many on the "Mount Rushmore" of college football coaching might have been a part of actions more questionable than excusing players (who happen to be sons) from a mid year introductory team meeting to attend a business opportunity given the current emphasis on personal branding in college athletics. I get that you have issues with Prime Prep. From what I have read on the subject, Sander's biggest blunder was lending his name to something he really had no clue about (somewhat similar to Lebron James and the school he sponsored's dismal academic performance). I am sure he was overzealous regarding pursuing athletic achievements- but that doesn't seem terribly unique. What was unique was his fame.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2024 17:27:41 GMT -6
Yes really? Again, if you tell me that Sanders excused these two players (his sons) and told other players "No way, your butt better be in the seat 5 minutes early" then I would say that's pretty screwed up. I haven't heard that was the case. They didn't miss a work out, they didn't miss a practice. AS was stated earlier, they had an opportunity to do something pretty unique and they did it. Keep in mind, your college days are 100% irrelevant coach. In the present day, 5 of the last 7 Heisman Trophy winners were transfers. It is a different time man. I am not going to prejudge and crap on a guy because he is steering INTO trends that ran Saban out. integrity means stuff even now Coach, did integrity mean stuff "back then" when coaches such as Royal, Bryant etc. worked to keep their programs and other programs from being integrated until it became painfully obvious that it would benefit them? Or is that not considered the same?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2024 10:29:24 GMT -6
To play Devils Advocate because I wasnt the one suggesting the motive, but there isnt much in the way of "objective thinking" going on as it pertains to Coach Sanders....and that is the point of the last half of this thread/topic. By all rights, the man is a megolmaniac. Most DI college foot all coaches intentionally rebrand traditional universities to their personal avatar. Most above board coaches go out of their way to not be accused of nepotism, Sanders swings hard in the opposite direction. He chooses to do all these unconventional at best, self-absorbed at worst (though consistent with his 40 year history) then turns around with a shocked, "why is everyone against poor little old me?" I don't disagree with this, other than the speculation on the objective and the nepotism charge. I don't think very many Div 1 coaches have children talented enough to get into that discussion as players. How many coaches have been in that situation to make a valid claim? SO lets look at where they CAN indulge in nepotistic acts. Ehem. Looking at you Kirk Ferentz. And, remind me again, which two coaches were just retained by the Patriots? Where did Terry Bowden get his career started? How about Tommy? I am certain the Ryan brothers were beneficiaries of their lineage. Moving up in the coaching world WITHOUT the benefit of family relations is almost the exception.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2024 10:07:40 GMT -6
For clarity's sake, I suggested that as a *possibility*, I wasn't making a hard statement that that is why he did it: This fashion show thing makes one wonder when the team meeting date was set, and when Shadeur and Shilo knew they wanted to go to that fashion show, and if perhaps Prime set this whole thing up with the meeting being during the fashion show so he could send a statement to the team that they are going to receive preferential treatment. My point through all of this has been "why?" Why make such a suggestion? Why does that even pop into ones head? Seriously? How does one get to the point where they think : "Hmm, music and fashion mogul Pharell has contacted two of my players who have some name branding already established to go be in the 2024 Paris Fashion Week show and represent Louis Vuitton- a company whose owner is worth roughly 180 BILLION dollars (enough to theoretically purchase all 32 NFL franchises with plenty to spare). The current landscape of college football is dominated by the ability to capitalize on providing players with opportunities to leverage their names, images, and likenesses. Paris Fashion week coincides with the start of the Spring Semester, which is when I (and every other Div 1 college football team in the country) will hold a team meeting, so the players can either take advantage of the opportunity, or they can come sit in the team meeting room and listen to talk. Is less likely than : "hmm, I am going to call a team meeting when my sons are in Paris just so that I can demonstrate right off the bat to the other players (necessary for my and my sons success) that I plan on treating my sons better than them" I don't understand how that even crosses an objective mind.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 19, 2024 18:38:57 GMT -6
Can anyone think of another P5 program that would allow two players - HC's sons or not - to miss Initial Team Meeting to do a Fashion Show? Or for any reasons besides illness or family emergency? In 2024??? I bet the answer would be almost everyone. “ Hey coach, i’ve got a chance to be involved in an international fashion show with top-of-the-line designers… and get paid while increasing my visibility and name recognition”. Almost all of them. Had Joe Burrow been an underclassmen when LSU won the national title in 2019, and the rules were the same as they are today regarding Name, Image, Likeness compensation I can assure you that if given the opportunity, whoever his coach was would have let him attend. Lots seems to be being made over the fact that it was his two sons. I have to ask, who the heck else is going? Louis Vuitton, Paris, Fashion show, networking with moguls. .. that encompasses a certain glitz and glamour element and name recognition. And more importantly, I will ask for the 3rd or 4th time, were other players denied a similar professional opportunity and told they had to attend the meeting?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 19, 2024 5:42:53 GMT -6
I don't follow. What are "not the same things". I was using UW as just one recent example of the the changes that have taken place in college football. Never in the history of college football has a team played for a CFP national championship- then seen their coach leave for another school. Did that ever happen in the days of the BCS or Bowl Coalition? When was the last time you saw a team play for a National Championship, and then have 19 players transfer out? 2024 is a vastly different environment for college football than just 2019. I don’t disagree with the fact that college football is vastly different right now but the argument has been used to defend prime for not necessarily being the POS that many on this board feel he is. I know nothing about him so don’t include me in that group. You using UW as an example implies that you are comparing the 2 situations and it’s just not the same. I also don’t understand why you care about the coach leaving UW for a blue blood program when the argument is whether or not prime is a pos and all the players and coaches hate him? I don’t feel that the arguments saying “CFB is different- Sanders is doing things differently, I will wait and see before criticizing the actions” is addressing how others feel about his character. I actually only get the vibe that one or two have those deep feelings towards his character- the others are simply criticizing his public coaching decisions because they are not what one might define as traditional. I will say I am not trying to argue against someone’s judgment of his character I am neithet a supporter nor detractor of Sanders. I just want things to be honestly portrayed. The most recent event ( fashion show attendance by players) is being portrayed by some here as “oh my god Sanders let his two sons skip the introductory team meeting but forced everyone else to attend under penalty of punishment or dismissal regardless of their individual situation”. Heck one poster went as far as to suggest that Sanders purposely scheduled the meeting on that day specifically to demonstrate to the team that his two sons were better than the team and would be treated as such. I just don’t see things like that at this time
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 18, 2024 19:56:51 GMT -6
Well, look at UW. 10 days ago they were competing for the National Championship. In the 10 days since they have been completely gutted. 19 players have transferred out. Over 4,500 of receiving or rushing offense has declared early for the draft. Their HC left. It is just monumentally different. Why is everyone jumping all over a coach who is saying "eh, this school has been pretty bad for a pretty long time. Lets try something different" Their head coach left for another program. The head coach left to be the HC at one of the premier programs in the nation. Those are not the same things I don't follow. What are "not the same things". I was using UW as just one recent example of the the changes that have taken place in college football. Never in the history of college football has a team played for a CFP national championship- then seen their coach leave for another school. Did that ever happen in the days of the BCS or Bowl Coalition? When was the last time you saw a team play for a National Championship, and then have 19 players transfer out? 2024 is a vastly different environment for college football than just 2019.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 18, 2024 18:53:16 GMT -6
. It is a different time man. Again, thank you for taking the time to express the other side in all this. You're likely right here. The NIL era has changed the game irrevocably and with it HS and youth football. * COACHING IS ABOUT CONTROL * Is dead. Welcome the new DO WHATCHA WANNA team dynamic. Attract athletes to your 18 month slumber party at Neverland Island is the recipe to just win some durn games. I'm not attempting to be facetious or smug here. If I've been paying attention thats just frankly where we are. CU is nuveau coaching that we should be paying attention to. Whenever the dinosaurs bring up the tenets of how it used to be done, we're educated the kids need their space to express and feel comfortable. The coach needn't take things that seriously because if the kids are happy everything will work out eventually. So WHAT should a head coach be doing in this climate? How can we learn to be better and adapt to this new executive leadership paradigm? Not intending to be hyperbolic. It sounds like our only goal is to turn and burn the roster 1.5 seasons like a JUCO because thats just how it be Well, look at UW. 10 days ago they were competing for the National Championship. In the 10 days since they have been completely gutted. 19 players have transferred out. Over 4,500 of receiving or rushing offense has declared early for the draft. Their HC left. It is just monumentally different. Why is everyone jumping all over a coach who is saying "eh, this school has been pretty bad for a pretty long time. Lets try something different"
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 18, 2024 18:21:35 GMT -6
Why? Because it is a fashion event? What if the two players in question instead were on say the Tonight Show? Or Playing piano with the London Symphony Orchestra? And what is disgusting about flat out saying "Hey, you want to be like pros... then do it like the pros do?" Not sure if it will work or not, but I don't see this as reprehensible. really? if my college "coach"allowed this, we would have all hated those guys and with today's rules left in a heartbeat because the "hc" has zero integrity Yes really? Again, if you tell me that Sanders excused these two players (his sons) and told other players "No way, your butt better be in the seat 5 minutes early" then I would say that's pretty screwed up. I haven't heard that was the case. They didn't miss a work out, they didn't miss a practice. AS was stated earlier, they had an opportunity to do something pretty unique and they did it. Keep in mind, your college days are 100% irrelevant coach. In the present day, 5 of the last 7 Heisman Trophy winners were transfers. It is a different time man. I am not going to prejudge and crap on a guy because he is steering INTO trends that ran Saban out.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 17, 2024 22:13:15 GMT -6
Why? Because it is a fashion event? What if the two players in question instead were on say the Tonight Show? Or Playing piano with the London Symphony Orchestra? And what is disgusting about flat out saying "Hey, you want to be like pros... then do it like the pros do?" Not sure if it will work or not, but I don't see this as reprehensible. I don't want to speak for tog, but I think why he finds it to be disgusting, is because Shadeur and Shilo are being allowed to skip a team meeting for this and he suspects that were a walk-on from the team to request this, there's a good chance they would not be allowed to miss the meeting. I have been all about some Coach Prime and Colorado since pretty much the day it was announced he was going to Colorado, but even I am starting to have some doubts. It's starting to look like a total clown show, unfortunately. And that sucks, because I was really looking forward to him tearing it up after that first week against TCU (crappy defense aside lol, that game should not have been close for CU). This fashion show thing makes one wonder when the team meeting date was set, and when Shadeur and Shilo knew they wanted to go to that fashion show, and if perhaps Prime set this whole thing up with the meeting being during the fashion show so he could send a statement to the team that they are going to receive preferential treatment. Just a few points of clarity. They didn't "go to a fashion show". They were IN the show. Perhaps even as paid participants, while they networked and interacted with other. As far as your last paragraph...Huey has become first AAC athletic directors were conspiring to control the offense of Army, and now this? Huey is becoming a conspiracy theorists dream Is any of this a show of humility? Absolutely not. And we will see how it pans out. This certainly isn't how Karl Dorrell or Mike MacIntyre or Jon Embree ran things when they were at CU. But is this any more "reprehensible" than naming your son the OC and then having it take the AD to set up objective measurements so that he can dismiss him because Daddy won't?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 17, 2024 21:43:07 GMT -6
Brophy-- got to be honest here, I don't see the issue. He had two players who missed a meeting because they had another opportunity for themselves. Fair enough. Maybe you're right that this team meeting is inconsequential. How far would you be willing to go to continue making excuses? 1st team meeting, starting "new season" after a losing season The header called the meeting that specific day to set the tone of leadership, buy in, and accountability. **** nah, imma skip it Doesnt exactly show a whole lotta loyalty to your teammates, let alone being the daddy-installed leaders of the team. Sets the tone that that there are rules for some and not for the chosen ones. Thats the opposite fundamental of building a unified program. Again, are you saying you know of other players who had other opportunities and were told "You have to come to the meeting or there will be consequences...but my kids don't?"
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 17, 2024 21:05:44 GMT -6
Why? Because it is a fashion event? What if the two players in question instead were on say the Tonight Show? Or Playing piano with the London Symphony Orchestra? And what is disgusting about flat out saying "Hey, you want to be like pros... then do it like the pros do?" Not sure if it will work or not, but I don't see this as reprehensible.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 17, 2024 18:38:36 GMT -6
Brophy-- got to be honest here, I don't see the issue. He had two players who missed a meeting because they had another opportunity for themselves. Were any other players given an ultimatum to choose between a different professional/personal opportunity and a team meeting but these two were not?
As far as the timestamped suggestion...advising the players to set up a system of peer to peer accountability? Is that a horrible thing?
Time will tell if any of it works out. I just think it is important to recognize this isn't Darryl Royal's, or Paul Bryant's or Tom Osborne's or Woody Hayes, or Bo schembechler, or Jimmy Johnson, or Bob Stoops or even Nick Saban's college football.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 16, 2024 13:15:08 GMT -6
Maybe but when these guys get fired they get eight figure (even high eight figure) buyouts. We have to find another job to pay the mortgage and put the kids through college. I would rather get grilled by Finebaum and the whole state of Alabama while I'm sitting on a beach with zero financial worries than sit at my kitchen table trying to figure out how to pay the bills with a city or county ripping me. I don't think many would disagree with those specific sentiments. I was suggesting however, that the pressure DeBoer will have is immense, and personally I don't think the compensation is going to be commensurate compared to what he was going to be making at UW.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 15, 2024 17:52:12 GMT -6
I think the situation at Bama is probably pretty rare. In this particular situation, DeBoer is taking over after a guy (Saban) who has not only had a legendary career, but managed to supplant a guy who previously might have been considered the most accomplished or beloved coach in history. That is like taking over after a guy came into Curtis or Summerville and won more games than Mckissick or JT Curtis.
Not only that- but it wasn't as if Bama was waning. They were just a few plays from playing in yet another (would have been 7th I believe) championship game.
The pressure will be immense. The Bama fans will be complaining when he loses his first cointoss.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 15, 2024 8:45:28 GMT -6
Basically describing the last week of my life. I was recently made the HC of my alma mater, following a man with 314 wins, 9 section championships, and a legacy as one of the best Wing-T minds in the country. We're going to keep some parts of what's made us successful, but I am also going to be making plenty of changes over time. You have to know yourself and be authentic, anything else is suicide. Recognize what's helped make the place successful, find a way to make those systems work for you, and then move things in the direction you want as well as you can. I've also had some experience doing this in a T&F setting and I'm basically describing the same blue print that I used there. If you try to be 100% the same as your predecessor, it's not going to work, you're not the same person. You have to be able to adapt what's been established to your personality and your overall vision for the program. What things have you identified as "key success factors" and what things are you planning to evolve to be authentic?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 13, 2024 19:27:54 GMT -6
4. It appears to be far more about the coaches and parents than it is the kids. 5. The helicopter parent/fighting trope of youth football is reinforced from what I see quite well. I just look at it all, and collectively, I can't believe this league is doing more good than harm. I think these two points likely apply to ANY youth sport, and many organized youth activities.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 13, 2024 19:05:17 GMT -6
There is zero chance of HS FB being banned in my lifetime I’m completely in favor of this bill. I think it could be the best thing for FB in a long time I hope you're older because there's a million things that are legislated now that if you'd have told anyone it would be a law 20 years ago they'd have laughed you out of the room. Agreed. There is currently legislation in Florida that has school systems pulling dictionaries and encyclopedias from the shelves to review them to make sure that they comply with new laws. We also currently have laws (Title IX for one) where many interpret the statues as requiring that schools must treat students based on their gender identity even if their registration or identification documentation indicates a different sex. Regardless of ones thoughts on brain trauma, concussions, sub concussive cumulative affects etc., the fact that the two statement above can be made shows that there is definitely a non zero chance of HS FB being banned within the next 20-30 years.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 13, 2024 8:30:41 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm not that worried about this one. I've been pretty vocal that I don't think tackle is necessary until Jr High, this more or less does that. A lot of the youth football players that we see do become pretty good high school players, but we also see just as many youth players that peak earlier and get caught up by late developers. I'd love to see some kind of progression that starts with flag, goes on to rugby, then finally tackle around jr high. I just don't see why it's necessary to have little bobbleheads running around hitting each other poorly. None of it is necessary. High school football certainly isn't. No football is. But why look at it as a matter of necessity? Necessity for what? What justification do we need, other than that some people of any age like playing it, and that some people like watching others play? I don’t think I have ever agreed with Bob as much as I have in this thread. The opinions of HS coaches thinking/feeling that sports for 5-13 year olds should all be in service to HS athletics has always been a pet peeve of mine. That “HS matters” but other levels really don’t has always been so surprising to me.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 5, 2024 13:28:11 GMT -6
Looks like my founding of the UC Flexbone Triple Option Guild has already started to pay off.
Fellas make sure you don't drink and drive after the celebration...
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 5, 2024 9:08:10 GMT -6
It's getting wild... we are at 25% of ALL HC jobs open since the season ended and it is only climbing out here. Support is decreasing, parents are unruly, and it doesn't seem to be moving the right direction. Why would it? We move daily to “everything is about me” “There is nothing more important than me”. “I’m gonna get mine” every day. Team based athletic programs generally require something to be placed above oneself. It sounds like a "sky is falling" complaint, but I really think social media has changed brain development in individuals the last 10-15 years Combine this with the 15-20 year trend of “championships are all that matter (after getting mine). Layer those on top of public education spending 25+ years moving towards being a service industry- run by MBA styled trained Superintendents given marching orders by cote seeking politicians… And social media/electronic communication makes it so much easier to spread complaints
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 5, 2024 7:32:26 GMT -6
I’m glad the coach resigned. Fuk those parents. I would usually assume there must have been something left out of the article but the fact the assistants also resigned says it all. I did see the one about the coach getting fired for her wardrobe. Something has to be going on behind the scenes IMO. I saw the pictures and didn’t think she looked unprofessional in any of them That’s what I thought, too, but the fact that she is teaching and coaching at a school about an hour east from where she was fired makes me think maybe not.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 4, 2024 19:40:18 GMT -6
Not quite as crazy as something that has recently gone viral (but happened a while ago) in Louisiana eyoj.ams3.digitaloceanspaces.com/News/why-was-opelousas-basketball-coach-fired-breonna-o-conner-hired-by-scotlandville-43619.html A female woman's basketball coach was fired and was apparently told "this isn't a fashion show" (Highly ironic given she coached at a school just an hour away from LSU featuring the worlds most flamboyant women's basketball coach) And we wonder why there is a teacher shortage, an official shortage, a coaching shortage... Essentially there is a shortage of almost anything that allows for the publics complaints to be heard.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 3, 2024 19:49:29 GMT -6
i've heard the same. One of the most impressive endorsements here Work ethic is great, but doesn't necessarily translate to great teammate or leader. Same as being a phenomenal player doesn't make you a superior position coach, let alone coordinator. It can certainly ENHANCE the player's experience, but if YOU never had to communicate/teach it, it doesn't matter what you were taught. IMO the issue with a "deion" it appears all you have to do is WOO the decision maker (AD) and you're gifted a top spot, outside of a vetting process in an industry entrenched in grinding/paying your dues. This is nothing new, of course, with the recent trend to find younger, sexier faces of a program to lure in media and recruits. It brings up an age-old question of Huey board, 'why do you want to be a head coach'? Everyone "wants" the title, but are you willing / ready for that responsibility? What is that responsibility? Its a little insulting after something like that, to wave your grift in everyone's faces by wearing a costume as you LARP as a Football Coach, complete with trademarked shades, gold whistle, completely fresh sideline ensemble every weekend... we see this quite a bit on any disorganized youth program. Now include this while cajoling your local sports writer sychophants to worship your legend status and rebuke any serious football discussion. Whats to stop him? nothing, so I guess thats acceptable. Deion is a "disrupter" because he chooses to be. He has always been intentionally divisive to generate interest and drama. Fundamentals of winning football aren't philosophy, they're skills: blocking, tackling,effort,catching,hustle. Even outside the analogy, CU failed at those basic fundamentals even by season's end. ANY program can show improvement there, regardless of talent And CU failed at those basic fundamentals last year, at a HISTORIC LEVEL. Failed far greater than they did this year. And Michigan State FAILED at those basica fundamentals this year. And Purdue, Indiana, etc. Heck, Iowa failed on the offensive side of the ball, and apparently the AD had to step in because of the lack of leadership and put in place objective goals to replace the OC. LSU failed at those basic fundamentals this year on defense. So my question is, why is this a Deion thing? I get it, the Coach Prime persona (and Prime is very much a persona if you listen to people who have worked with him for a long time) is jarring. I can see why coaching lifers are concerned, because as you put it, others are not going to discern the actual coaching from the persona. But doesn't that hold true for other things? How many Bud Kilmer wannabees are out there? How many "hit some body" coaches are out there, thinking that the secret to coaching is having the kids "fired up" and then being a "creative play caller"? This has been common long before Sanders hit the sidelines. What I DON'T get is how so many on this board, a professional coaching message board (not a reddit hang out) are so quick to form opinions and make claims when they have zero knowledge of what is actually occurring. Isn't that akin to the dad in the stands that yelling "you gotta throw the ball" without having seen any practices, scouted the opposition, and failing to recognize you are up by 4 with 3 minutes left on the clock. Don't we mock that guy?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 3, 2024 16:38:55 GMT -6
People always say that when you aren't as good as other programs, do something "different". Different, as in force the opponent to operate at a different path. The "different" here looks to be abandoning common sense FUNDAMENTALS of success. 52% of Fortune 500 companies in 2003 no longer exist today. Things change. Heck, to make a more apt football comparison, when Timmy Brewster and Charles Kelly were coming up, the "fundamentals" were get a big strong running back, hand him the ball 30 times a game behind a lead blocker, throw passes to score or keep the defense honest. Scholarship limit was 95, transfers were much less common and student athlete mobility was much more limited. The NCAA had only recently lost control of all television contracts, Notre Dame had just signed its first deal with NBC, the SEC had not yet left the CFA (TV media rights negotiating group) and negotiated its own rights with CBS. Now, is Sanders a natural leader? I can't speak to that- never have worked with him. Some that have worked with him say his work ethic is outstanding. I haven't really come across anyone that has a basis to do so dispute that. Sanders is obviously a disrupter. That doesn't go over well with some. Time will tell if the disruption yields results. The beauty of the situation, nobody has to go to CU. No HS student has to sign with CU. No current NCAA student has to transfer to CU. No coach or staff member has to go work at CU.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 3, 2024 14:39:37 GMT -6
Lsu just had their entire defensive staff depart after a 10 win season... Yes but it was Kelly's SECOND year as HC in Baton Rouge, not first like Sanders'. And LSU in SEC is a lot different than wherever Colorado is going to be from now on. Last year, they cut loose the Special Teams coordinator. Being in 2 years is even more of a concern isn't it? That Kelly couldn't recognize after one season the deficiencies in the guys he had hired? Deficiencies that could be argued cost LSU a legitimate shot at a 2023 CFP birth? Regardless I am not making a 1 to 1 comparison. I am simply pointing out that every program has commitments flip, every program has voluntary and involuntary staff turnover. Yet for some reason, when it has happened at CU this year, there is lots of pointing and "Look see! The sky is falling on CU!" I do not know how CU will fair going forward. What I DO KNOW is that power 5 college football is more like a professional football organization than it has ever been. Power 5 football players are more like professional football players than they have ever been before, and in some ways have even more desirable situations than NFL counterparts. I know that CU is not on the same level as OSU, LSU, BAMA, UM, UT, UGA, Oregon, Washington etc. People always say that when you aren't as good as other programs, do something "different". Isn't Sanders doing something different? Why must that different be limited to offensive scheme?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 3, 2024 13:49:02 GMT -6
Lsu just had their entire defensive staff depart after a 10 win season...
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 2, 2024 14:08:23 GMT -6
Gabriel left because Jeff Lebby took the Miss st job. Lebby is who recruited Gabriel while at UCF to be Mckenzie Milton replacement when he was done. When Heupel left to Tenn, Lebby went to oklahoma to be the OC and gabriel went with him. Etienne left because there is 2 recruits coming in that are napiers guys, who will tote the rock a great deal. and fla is bad. Regardless of internet speculation as to why these transfers took place, I still ask..isn't that relatively new and different? That was my point. No NCAA coach has ever operated under these conditions. They are quite different than the way Brewster and Kelly have operated for their career lengthy collegiate careers as well different than the conditions the younger guys played in/cut their teeth in as coaches. It resembles the NFL and professional situations more and more, which might be why some of these guys are leaving CU. They seem to be doing it in an amicable manner. In this day and age, I really can't see anyone leaving with bad blood and it not getting out, particularly with the microscope on that program right now. I was just bringing up a counterpoint to blb's post which seemed to be insinuating that the program was struggling or was not a success this year because of turnover.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 2, 2024 10:29:43 GMT -6
The genie is out and unless the NCAA wants to grab the genie but the nutz and force it back in we are not going back. I have handled a lot of D1 recruiting of HS players. When coaches visit they will take time to talk and I have never heard one coach say they like the portal or NIL. Most that I have talked to are not against players getting compensated in some manner or players being allowed to teransfer. The best idea I heard came from a D1 coach who had coached at all levels working his way up. He said pay them $30,000/year and they cannot touch the money until they graduate. All players no matter who they are. When they come out of school they have $120K+ to start their life with. His comment was giving a million dollars to an 18 year old is a recipe for disaster. If they transfer that money stays with thenm. He thought as far as eligibility goes: If your at school A and the HC leaves you can transfer. You get one transfer FBS to FBS. He said the NCAA needs to regulate who can transfer when because it's like every player is a potential free agent every season. Like you have to be in school for two years then you can move on (unless some other criteria is met). Something to make it so there is a cycle to it. Not bad ideas. The genie is out, but I think even in Alladin the genie had certain rules he had to play by. Can I bring up "contracts" again? Sure. But as I mentioned last time, that will then formally declare that the student athletes are employees, and for a myriad of reasons, the NCAA and schools want to desperately avoid that. Not to mention, don’t coaches have contracts?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 2, 2024 10:20:15 GMT -6
The genie is out and unless the NCAA wants to grab the genie but the nutz and force it back in we are not going back. I have handled a lot of D1 recruiting of HS players. When coaches visit they will take time to talk and I have never heard one coach say they like the portal or NIL. Most that I have talked to are not against players getting compensated in some manner or players being allowed to teransfer. The best idea I heard came from a D1 coach who had coached at all levels working his way up. He said pay them $30,000/year and they cannot touch the money until they graduate. All players no matter who they are. When they come out of school they have $120K+ to start their life with. His comment was giving a million dollars to an 18 year old is a recipe for disaster. If they transfer that money stays with thenm. He thought as far as eligibility goes: If your at school A and the HC leaves you can transfer. You get one transfer FBS to FBS. He said the NCAA needs to regulate who can transfer when because it's like every player is a potential free agent every season. Like you have to be in school for two years then you can move on (unless some other criteria is met). Something to make it so there is a cycle to it. Not bad ideas. The genie is out, but I think even in Alladin the genie had certain rules he had to play by. I wonder if that coach would have been Ok with similar rules for coaches. Pay all HC the average of the top 5 paid professors (not administrators) on campus. Asst coaches make a percentage of that. Regulate the movement of coaches etc. I firmly believe that had college football not become an arms race with the adults (coaches and administrators ) getting rich that exploded once TV contracts flooded the sport with previously unheard of sums of money, college football would look different today. I mean look at Brian Kelly. He left ND while the were still legitimately a potential CFP team. Had the results of 1 or 2 games been different, ND would have been announced as part of the CFP while he was cleaning out his office. Lincoln Riley, very similar, telling all his players “Norman will be the mecca of College Football” and then 2 weeks later telling kids “Los Angeles will be the mecca of college football”. Ed Orgeron and Jimbo Fisher are getting enormous sums of money to not coach. Aren’t the UTs (Tex and Tenn) still paying multiple previous coaching buyouts? Many power 5 athletic programs now employee a staff of close to if not over 50-60 people just dealing with football NOT COUNTING THE COACHES! It seems that anytime anyone brings up their disdain or disappointment with the current state of college athletics, it is always because of the athletes. Edited to add- I believe they already only have one transfer from FBS to FBS until they graduate. Then they can transfer to a second school.
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