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Post by 19delta on Jul 26, 2018 19:09:58 GMT -6
Who were these people who told you George Jones’ music isn’t any good? Music critics? Musicians? People in the music industry? You have an entire thread (in fact numerous threads about these shows), made up of football coaches, who have virtually nothing positive to say about how these shows depict football players and coaches. That is called an informed opinion and carries far more weight than these legions of anti-George Jones zealots who are besieging you. I get your point about taking the opinion of this board as an informed opinion. I just think it’s a slippery slope to rally against information that one had not experienced. Like I said as a matter of taste it’s really not a big deal, but as a matter of policy it’s a little more serious in my opinion. Which is, as I think coachd5085 is saying, all the more reason for an organization like the AFCA (American Football COACHES Association) to vehemently condemn the way that these shows depict the game.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 26, 2018 15:52:23 GMT -6
Fair enough. Although you are splitting hairs a bit, because editing process likely is used to highlight those activities. Regardless, I would amend my statement to say that I would like to see the AFCA make a statement that condemns the poor coaching practices represented and that those shows do not portray what the AFCA considers quality coaching, or actions that a quality coach would use. But how do you know those shows contain anything to ask that the AFCA makes statements in regards to those shows? Because he has read the 3 or 4 threads on this site in which professional football coaches have almost unanimously condemned the behavior of the primary characters in the series.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 26, 2018 15:47:36 GMT -6
Have you had over a dozen people tell you that broccoli tastes bad? I haven’t. And if twelve people can convince you to jump off a cliff, then you are a retard and are probably doing the gene pool a favor. That’s not the point. The point is perspective. The 12 people that tell you to jump of a bridge could be jumping of because they want to end it all. Or, they could be jumping off cause they are thrill seekers and know that there is safe landing in the calm and deep waters below them. I am not sure how many people have told me that broccoli tastes bad. But I have heard many people tell me that they think ghosts are real or that they have seen ghosts. Does that make it true? Or I have heard dozens of people tell me that George Jones’s music isn’t any good and I know that’s not true from my perspective. Who were these people who told you George Jones’ music isn’t any good? Music critics? Musicians? People in the music industry? You have an entire thread (in fact numerous threads about these shows), made up of football coaches, who have virtually nothing positive to say about how these shows depict football players and coaches. That is called an informed opinion and carries far more weight than these legions of anti-George Jones zealots who are besieging you.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 26, 2018 14:09:56 GMT -6
I disagree. If a dozen people have told me that $hit sandwich tastes bad, I shouldn't have to take a bite to see for myself. I agree with your statement. I said if he personally chose to ignore the show that is understandable and . If you have heard {censored} sandwiches taste bad, don’t eat them but in my opinion if you want go a step further and tell others not to eat shitt sandwiches then you probably should have taken a bite. Shitt sandwiches are an exaggerated example. As people read shitt sandwiches the thought is “yeah I am not eating a {censored} sandwich.” What if a dozen people told you not to eat brocolli because it tasted bad? Or on the flip side what if a dozen people told you to jump of a bridge, as the old anecdote goes. Have you had over a dozen people tell you that broccoli tastes bad? I haven’t. And if twelve people can convince you to jump off a cliff, then you are a retard and are probably doing the gene pool a favor.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 26, 2018 12:34:01 GMT -6
I do think part of that is its a different show, with different producers, trying to produce a show staring a bunch of nobodies at a nowhere location. Caveat- I haven't watched the show, and I won't based on principal. I really think (from what I have read here) that the AFCA should be making strong statements against such behavior. Isn’t this is a similar mindset to the one you have been battling with grad17 over. To make claims of opposition without interaction or evidence is a slippery slope. To ignore the show on a personal level is valid but to insinuate the lobby of the AFCA should condemn creativity and free will of those involved with the show without actually having participated, at least minimally as a viewer, doesn’t seem fair to anyone involved. You are a smart and logical poster. From your perspective how does making a such a strong claim ( the AFCA comment) about the show without full context differ from making claims about concussions without evidence? I disagree. If a dozen people have told me that $hit sandwich tastes bad, I shouldn't have to take a bite to see for myself.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 26, 2018 1:53:56 GMT -6
To help clarify, is this a "clinic" clinic, like something we would go to (but geared towards women, or women's football etc) or is this a female fan clinic, or a mother's clinic or.... I think it would be a little bit of all of the above.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 26, 2018 1:51:41 GMT -6
Why? Why would you do this? Football season is about to begin. You have more important things to do than this. This is fluff that will not help you in any meaningful way. Just coach football and leave all this stuff for the "culture changers!" I think it sounds like something that could be a lot of fun and, if done right, could create some positive relationships with parents going into the season. I don’t think that is “fluff”. And not to sound like a sexist a-hole, but we are not talking about putting on a Glazer-worthy presentation that is going to leave the audience with smoke coming out of their ears. I would have some food, maybe talk about what skills each position group needs, go over jargon, give a brief summary of offensive, defensive, and special teams philosophy, and maybe watch some film. Starting off with a quiz is a good idea...that would be a good icebreaker. Maybe 10 questions? Let the ladies work together and then go over the answers? And, depending on your budget, some kind of “Mom’s Football Academy” t-shirt would be really cool.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 25, 2018 19:47:01 GMT -6
really depends on if you need help with your headsets not sure what its like "today" but it isn't uncommon to be fired several times on the sideline during a season give me 150 a year and i might be ok with that IIRC, the guy Tuberville smacked was a grad assistant.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 24, 2018 12:25:05 GMT -6
. How common is this at the upper levels of football? really depends on if you need help with your headsets not sure what its like "today" but it isn't uncommon to be fired several times on the sideline during a season I get that stuff happens on the sidelines during games. I'm talking more the stuff that goes on during practice or even in the coach's office.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 21, 2018 14:52:46 GMT -6
I have spent my entire career coaching in really small rural schools. I have never had a HC speak to me the way Coach Brown at ICC speaks to his assistants. How common is this at the upper levels of football?
Does Saban, Harbaugh, Swinney, Meyer, Richt, Smart, Dantonio, etc, etc, speak to assistants like this?
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Post by 19delta on Jul 21, 2018 14:16:06 GMT -6
The injured kid...the center...Buckmanster? I like that kid a lot. Would definitely jump into a foxhole with that kid.
And that Scott kid? The RB? #28? Holy crap...if I had that kid, he would literally have 40 carries a game! 😂
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Post by 19delta on Jul 21, 2018 13:55:54 GMT -6
The GC coach or ICC coach? GC. I don't dislike the ICC coach. He just strikes me as a slappy. I thought he really punked out on that post-game handshake.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 21, 2018 13:54:51 GMT -6
I have to say that this wasn't the first time that I've heard a college coach say "phuk". I was in the US Army. I heard “phuk” used as a noun, verb, adjective, etc, etc...sometimes all in the same sentence! 😂 It is an amazing word. Possibly the most flexible word in the entire English language.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 21, 2018 12:42:04 GMT -6
I just don't understand how the IC coach still has a job based on language and behavior. I like him as a character and I respect that he has dealt with a bunch of adversity, but I don't understand how the President of the college could watch this and not fire him immediately. I guess I'm naive. But I hate that there are elementary and high school kids watching this and thinking this is normal behavior by the coaches or players. That was my initial thought about Buddy Stephens way back in the first season. But here's the thing...how many people didn't even know that EMCC and ICC were even a thing before the series? What's the old saying...there is no such thing as bad publicity?
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Post by 19delta on Jul 21, 2018 12:39:48 GMT -6
I love that the show does not seem to have a filter. The audience gets all of it...the good, the bad, and the ugly. I give it a huge thumb's up for brutal honesty.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 10, 2018 9:34:00 GMT -6
Right. I see this reflected in IEPs and 504s. When I first started teaching (2000), SpEd services and 504 plans were reserved for truly legit cases...kids had dyslexia or some other documented and diagnosed condition that limited their ability to learn like "normal" kids. A disturbing trend I have noticed, maybe within the last 10 years, is that IEPs and 504s are increasingly being written for socio-psychological reasons, the big one being some vague definition of "anxiety". For a lot of parents, getting their kid an IEP or 504 plan has become some bizarro world badge of honor. These parents probably think they are doing right by their kids when in fact what they are doing is crippling these kids socially and emotionally. I might be wrong, but my wife had told me that when she worked as a special ed aide, that if your kid can get an IEP/504, you can draw a check from the government to assist with raising your child with their "disability". That may or may not be true. Even if it is, I don't think that is the primary motivation most of these parents have. My take on it is that parents so badly want their kids to be unique and exceptional that when the kids aren't, the parents desperately have to find a "reason" for that.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 10, 2018 4:36:21 GMT -6
Ugh. I HATE this. So many kids today are complete basket cases. Afraid of their own shadows... Because at no point in many of their lives have their parents took them out of the bubble wrap and let them live their own lives. Failure included. Parents seem to think they're doing their kid a favor by doing the heavy lifting, but we're just raising a generation that can't cope with life in general. Right. I see this reflected in IEPs and 504s. When I first started teaching (2000), SpEd services and 504 plans were reserved for truly legit cases...kids had dyslexia or some other documented and diagnosed condition that limited their ability to learn like "normal" kids. A disturbing trend I have noticed, maybe within the last 10 years, is that IEPs and 504s are increasingly being written for socio-psychological reasons, the big one being some vague definition of "anxiety". For a lot of parents, getting their kid an IEP or 504 plan has become some bizarro world badge of honor. These parents probably think they are doing right by their kids when in fact what they are doing is crippling these kids socially and emotionally.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 9, 2018 22:01:39 GMT -6
Participation for weight training has been low this summer and it's been irritating me. I've gotten all kinds of excuses from the kids not showing up to lift but they've been to every basketball open gym. The basketball coach has been on them about lifting but I finally pulled a bunch of them together before an open gym a few nights ago and read them the riot act about not getting in the weight room. I finished up by telling them that I would only be offering to open up the weight room twice per week if I had another round of no shows. I get a text from an incoming freshman's mom the next day that reads something like this: Mommy: "Coach, I just want to let you know that Billy really wants to lift but he's intimidated by the older kids in the weight room. Can you open it up at another time just for the younger kids?" Me: "Ma'am, I work during the week and the times I have scheduled are the times I can open the gym. Also, Billy will only need to join us for one session to get comfortable. The older boys are very helpful with the younger kids and I can put them on auto-pilot and get Billy up to speed on our lifts." Mommy: "Well, weekends work best for him. I don't see why you can't open the gym on Saturdays or Sundays. Especially because he's really anxious about lifting around the older kids." Me (trying to remain calm): "Ma'am, I work fifty hour week and open the weight room for the kids and I take the weekends to myself." Mommy: "Well, Coach ____ does open gyms on Sunday nights for the kids, why can't you do the same?" Me (frustrated): "You bring up an excellent point, actually. I see Billy in basketball open gyms, mixing it up on the court with the varsity kids three days per week. If he's confident enough to push them around in the pain, then he's confident enough to lift with them. I won't be opening the weight room on the weekends. Billy can join us for weight training during the week nights or not, it's up to him." Ugh. I HATE this. So many kids today are complete basket cases. Afraid of their own shadows...
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Post by 19delta on Jul 9, 2018 21:59:16 GMT -6
This happened today: We made the mistake of entering a 7-7 tournament. We told the kids this is just another opportunity to get better and if we don’t win it’s not going to make or break our season, let alone our summer. Our goal is just to have minimal mental mistakes and be competitive. If we win we win. It was double elimination in pool play. Lose two you’re out of the championship bracket. We lost the first game to a really improving nearby program with 17 starters returning. The second game we lost to a program similar to ours. Hung with them but had some bad breaks but they were probably better prepped than us. Oh well. We had some ups and downs but nothing to hang our heads about. Of course one of our half-literate helicopter parents, who has a remarkably loud voice, was telling our QB who to throw to every play, and every time we were on defense all he’d say was “they’re running a pick” or “that’s time! QB is sacked”. I’m pretty sure he said they ran an illegal pick when they threw all verts a couple times. The coach of the host school asked us to have him be more respectful and when I talked to him he complied. Of course somehow someway he ended up parked near me and caught me out by my car and was singing the blues about us being eliminated and how it’s such a waste and there’s no point in coming back for consolation games tomorrow. All over a passing league tournament. I kind of feel bad for the guy’s kid. He obviously lives vicariously through him. He’s a senior QB who will probably be 3rd string and every time I see him he looks like he’d rather be doing anything else than be involved with football. The guy sounds like an a-hole. With that being said, don't go to 7 on 7s where they keep score. Lame.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 9, 2018 21:52:55 GMT -6
Rule #1: "WE DO NOT DISCUSS PLAYING TIME". Program wide. Top to bottom. Parents are told this from Day 1 and it is enforced. Any coach who can not follow this simple rule gets fired. Solves many problems. (Also, make sure admin is aware of this and supportive from Day 1 as well). I honestly can say that discussing PT IME has been a positive for me. Now don't get me wrong, I won't discuss other kids w/ a parent but I will discuss there kids PT. The reason I feel this way is I stay on top of off season attendance. So, if a kid doesn't show up to the weight room, I have no problem emailing a parent as a heads up. When that same parent emails me mid season why "little Johnny" isn't playing, I always have records to fall back on. Same w/ performance, I always notate the good & the bad on film, so I have something to point to when parents are unhappy w/ PT. FOR ME, I have always felt that "getting out in front of it" is a good thing. I recognize I'm in the minority but I feel that open communciation along w/ continual communication seems to avoid alot of problems. JME. Agreed. Whenever a parent has contacted me to discuss playing time, I will meet with them. However, I always preface the meeting by saying to the parent, "I will have this conversation with you but you aren't going to want to hear what I have to say." Most parents know why their kid isn't playing a certain position or isn't playing enough. Yes...there are delusional parents out there but the vast majority of parents are simply trying to bully coaches into playing their kid at a certain position or into getting more playing time. I gleefully remember one such conversation I had with a sophomore parent about a week after the season began: Dad: "Coach, I think that my son should be playing running back but you have him playing guard. Can you explain why?"
Me: "Sure. The biggest issue is his speed. He runs around a 5.5 forty-yard-dash. That's pretty slow for a high school running back but pretty fast for a high school offensive guard. The other issue is that he doesn't have very good balance, he isn't very flexible, and he runs high. Currently, we have several kids on the team who are significantly more productive at the running back position. If we gave reps to your son, we would be taking reps away from the kids who will actually be playing the running back position once we start having games."
Dad: "Well, he wants to be a running back. What are you going to do to help him improve those skills?"
Me: "Lifting weights is the most important thing a high school football player can do to improve the physical skills needed to play at a high level. According to my records, your son only attended about 30% of our summer lifting sessions. In fact, when we did end-of-summer testing, your son put up worse numbers compared to what he had done in the spring. If your son wants to be a running back, he is going to need to get significantly stronger and lose quite a bit of bodyfat. He simply does not have the physique or the skills to play running back."
Dad: "Ok. Thanks for your time, Coach. I will talk with my son tonight."The entire conversation took about 3 minutes. I didn't let the dad bully me. I stayed on topic and gave him clear answers that were non-emotional and factual. Because what I said was all true (and Dad knew it was true), the situation was completely diffused, Dad didn't have a leg to stand on and he knew it. So my advice is to WELCOME that conversation. But just make sure the parent knows that you aren't going to blow any smoke up their a$$. Be completely and brutally truthful and transparent when you have those conversation.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 2, 2018 12:53:52 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Jul 2, 2018 12:34:03 GMT -6
If you were considering taking a job in which you would be the HFC but not AD, what would be some dealbreakers for you that could exist if you're not in charge of the athletic program? For example, if you were offered a job as HFC but the AD (who is also, say, the b'ball coach) would run the weight room with your input being secondary? Would that be a dealbreaker? I know it would be for some. What about other plausible scenarios? Most basketball coaches are completely clueless when it comes to the weightroom. I don't care for my football players to spend a half hour on ab work and use calf raises as a max effort lift. That scenario would 100% be a dealbreaker for me.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 2, 2018 12:30:29 GMT -6
why can't we just act like regular guys and let players know it's okay to act like regular guys too Here's the thing...it's OK to just be a football coach. It really is. There does not have to be some grand vision and design that ends up with your players volunteering every Saturday night to play checkers with crippled kids who have tuberculosis or something like that. Be a good role model by showing up on time, keeping your vices to yourself, giving the kids your best effort, and treating the kids fairly. If you can do those things, you are going to be a pretty good coach.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 2, 2018 12:21:58 GMT -6
I have grown to despise, "You are either coaching it that way or you are letting it happen." Um...not really. When you have 17 varsity players and your DE is still jumping offsides 3x a game by week 7 and his backup is a 130lbs sophomore, then that isn't the DE coach's fault! I am actually a big fan of that saying, and I think you are taking it out of context a bit with the latter part of your statement. If your backup DEis 130 lbs nobody is expecting you to have him out play a d1 level opponent. This statement is meant to be measured with the players potential in mind, not what he does relative to others. If your starting DE actually lacks the mental capacity to not jump, well then you have done all you can with him. I think this statement is aimed more at th coaches who just tell players what to do, and then expect players to execute it in the heat of competition (without consistently repping it and drilling it). They ignore the premise that we are what we repeatedly do, not what we are repeatedly told. Its akin to a teacher who says "its my job to teach and their job to learn", though technically correct it s connotative outcome is bad instructive practices. In regards to my situation, it IS in context. Hence, I have come to hate the phrase.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 2, 2018 9:15:28 GMT -6
I have grown to despise, "You are either coaching it that way or you are letting it happen." Um...not really. When you have 17 varsity players and your DE is still jumping offsides 3x a game by week 7 and his backup is a 130lbs sophomore, then that isn't the DE coach's fault!
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Post by 19delta on Jun 24, 2018 14:59:35 GMT -6
@hback41
The former OC...does he have an offensive position to coach? Or is he a defensive coach only?
If he has an offensive position to coach, then he works for YOU and if you ask him a question about one of his position players, he has an obligation to give you a straight answer. If he is not fulfilling the duties of being a position coach, then he is either incompetent or insubordinate.
Obviously, it sounds like he is being insubordinate. And he is being insubordinate on the field in front of the kids. That can't be tolerated.
You have no control over how the HC addresses the situation. But, I think you need to make it clear to this guy that you are in charge of the offense and if he is going to coach an offensive position, he has an obligation to do his job the way you want it done and contribute in a meaningful way.
If he continues to be a pouty a$$ and your HC doesn't intervene, I would have no problem with you calling this guy out and exposing him in front of the kids...."Hey Coach...what's going on with Jimmy? Why isn't he running the right route?" Make sure you ask him at practice in front of the kids. Put it on him.
And if he continues to be an a$$, stay right on top of him in practice. Don't let him out of sight and certainly not out of earshot. This guy is doing his best to torpedo you.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 24, 2018 12:44:03 GMT -6
A school in our conference that was the 2a state champs last year has a 6-3, 240lbs kid who played OL and TE the last 2 years. If he gets moved to FB or RB this year (will be a junior) he will probably be the best running back in the conference.
This is small-school football (school has around 300 students) and this kid has a legit FBS body and talent. Was also a state qualifier in the shotput and both the 400m and 800m relay.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 23, 2018 10:31:21 GMT -6
Jesus...I about choked when I read that!
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Post by 19delta on Jun 19, 2018 10:30:44 GMT -6
Cover II Man Under! The only defense you will ever need!
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Post by 19delta on May 24, 2018 16:13:59 GMT -6
Looking to see how many coaches out there are not also teachers. I am a former D1 college football player who has recently realized just how bad I miss the game and is looking to get into coaching so that I can help some other kids realize how great this sport is and how much impact it can have on your life. However, my degree is not in education and I don't have much interest in teaching (but would obviously do it in order to hold down a coaching position). Just looking to see if any one out there has experience being a coach without being a teacher. This post is clearly aimed at the high school level coaches, but would love some input from coaches at all levels! I would strongly strongly strongly (yes, 3 times) advise against that path and mindset. It is a recipe for personal and professional disaster. Where are you located? Yeah...agreed. If you go into teaching just so you can coach, you are going to be pretty miserable for the vast majority of the time you are going to spend on lesson plans, grading, writing assessments, and all of the other petty bureaucracy that comes with it. If you want to coach, most states require an ASEP certification and some kind of sports first aid. I would say to see if that is required in your state, get it f it is, and then start looking for jobs.
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