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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 1, 2009 5:33:15 GMT -6
Well I still go back to if I read his initial passage right that the HEAD COACH is wrong here... How can you expect to lead and follow when you are doing stuff in a game that you do not go over in meetings and practice. That just is not good coaching.
Sounds like the assistant is trying but when your head coach is "all over the place" it really makes it hard.
I believe this ALL goes back to organization from the head.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 31, 2009 20:12:54 GMT -6
Just reading this over there is also another simple solution -
I am a high school coach and we have the usual beaters 1. Cover III Beaters 2. Cover II Beaters 3. COver O Beaters 4. Cover 4 - off coverage beaters...
This pretty standard stuff that I thought everyone did... This is what we do in the off-season and 7 on 7 in the spring and summer... We just rep the beaters to death...
What am I missing? In the middle of the game if you are getting cover 2 then go to what you have... YOu getting cover 0 and blitzes go to that... No need to make shhit up...
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 31, 2009 20:08:07 GMT -6
I believe this is stuff you hash out in your off-season meetings (PUtting together the playbook, breakdown tape and preparing game plans...). This should not be brought up now, during the season...
Now if the head coach is "losing it" then yeah call him out on the carpet. Ask what is this and where did it come from? If the guy is making crap up in the middle of the game like "Hey Joey on our CAT route you now run a comeback and not a curl... And Johnny on our Mesh route you run a fade instead of a pick..." If he is doing this crap during a game - then YES by all means bring it up.... If that is the case the guys sounds like he is a Azzclown and he needs some input... If you are saying in the middle of the game he is making crap up that you never covered or went over... I say GET OUT as soon as you can. He is a messs!!
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 31, 2009 10:22:15 GMT -6
Agree - What is SOOO positive about this...
One risk of injury -
These 7 on 7 tournaments there are not pads... Plus they tend to get REALLY HEATED as well.... It is not real football and as a coach if I want my player to get a scholarship we send out emails, tapes, videos, dvds, we go to camps.... There really is no need for this. It opens for corruption and other issues.
I know I am not the only coach who went to a 7 on 7 tournament and either witnessed a fight or almost one.. The kids, parents and coaches get WAY too involeved...
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 31, 2009 5:32:50 GMT -6
You do what you see fit. You know your players and what you have coming up.... For example -
At my school our first year we tried to whole spread option stuff... The only problem was that my WR were "ok" and my QB was "ok"... The QB was not big and strong and he did not run a 4.5 forty (around a 4.85..)... Eventually teams knew it and just LOCKED up on our WR, played cover zero and brought 7 every play.... Can you say 1,2,3 punt.... OUr WR just were not that good... BUT we have very, very good RB (Probably 5-6 with some good young ones coming up...) and our OL is our strength... Hmmmm... Well we went to some Jet sweep double wing stuff (Ran it at another school). All of a sudden last game of the season we ran for over 330 yards and had TWO 100 yard rushers... Found our strenghth..
Yes these RB are good athletes but they just are not good wr... THey are tough, gritty, will block, have good speed but at WR they are average...
Moral of the story we are just trying to get the best players on the field and use them properly... If the single wing works for you then by all means...
In todays day and age the spread is good but just like any offense it has its limitations and weaknesses. Do what you think is best.. There are still PLENTY of coaches running double wing, wing T, Option, Flexbone today and many are doing very, very well.....
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 30, 2009 18:32:30 GMT -6
Bingo Slimbo..
Well said.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 30, 2009 12:18:47 GMT -6
Hey no argument.. Two wrongs do not make a right but....
THE VAST MAJORITY of high school players are NOT playing college football and under 1% are playing D-IA college football.. Bottom line these "pimps" create false expectations for young players and they focus on the athletic portion and NOT academics... It makes our jobs as legitimate educators that much more difficult.
Where I have coached you see these "street agents" pimping kids in middle school... They coach youth football - you know the"Coach Tony and Coach Robbie" of the worlds... They push these kids to play in their youth organization because they will play in the Pop Warner Super Bowl on ESPN in December.. What a joke... Most of these coaches I have run across do not have a college degree. From there they "peddle" these young children like they are merchandise (To the highest bidder... What high school coach wants my 13 year old prodigy...).
Again - If a kid is good, it will be on his tape. There is no need for some ridiculous all star 7 on 7 AAU All Star Team thing... Hell it is not even real football...
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 30, 2009 10:40:13 GMT -6
Excellent points -
To be a head coach in Virginia for football you have to have a college degree (You teach). This allows for some professional training.
My experience with these "street agents" is they are not educated and many are in this for the wrong reasons. The NCAA should really do whatever it can to not allow this type of stuff to run wild in football. Keep these people away - where they belong.
When I talk with our B-Ball coach it is amazing all of the crap and stuff he has to go through and put up with (AAU travel teams and the like... Coaches...). It is not good for the game of basketball and this would hurt football as well.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 30, 2009 8:16:49 GMT -6
If I were you I would look more BIG PICTURE -
What I mean is yes recruit the halls at school but realize that more than likely those players will have minimal impact. I would focus on the following if I were you:
1. Youth League Orgnaizations - I would clinic them, do camps, be active.... They will be your lifeline. Have youth league nights, have them play their championship games on your field..
2. Middle School - Same as above.
This is where you will get your major help... You may not see this until 2 - 3 years but I think that would foster better results then a "cattle herd" of players who really may not want to play football...
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 28, 2009 21:58:26 GMT -6
I do agree with you...
The bottome feeders will be coming out when this gets some steam....
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 28, 2009 20:46:43 GMT -6
I AM IN!!! O-LINE PRIDE!!
All joking aside that is also another reason I do not think this AAU Football thing will NEVER come close to what B-Ball has....
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 27, 2009 19:52:47 GMT -6
I too am some what concerned about this ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) ... I doubt it could EVER get to the levels of B-Ball just because of the nature of the game... But it does sound like this 7 on 7 concept may catch a little steam... It is SO annoying... I agree with everyone else - keep the third party blood suckers OUT of the equation. Most of these people are idiots and most can be found in lower socio economic areas where the kids do not have the proper guidance of a mother and father... Very often in comes "Coach Tony" or as I like to call them "Street Agents". Where this will be missed is that these 7 on 7 camps are really for D-IA players.. Most of us do not have kids that can play at these camps but some how our kids may get involved in this absolute joke because all of the "Coach Tony's" of the world will tell them "this is what you need to do to get a scholarshiop"... And here we go....
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 27, 2009 8:23:11 GMT -6
Coach,
Do you not have your position coaches grade the players and figure out the stickers? That just seems like a TON for you to do if you have willing and able bodies to help.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 27, 2009 6:11:58 GMT -6
Do any of you do this (I might have missed it)
Bring players in on Monday at around 6:30 AM to watch the tape with them for an hour? That way you still have your afternoon meeting and practice to focus on the opponent..... Anyone try this and any thoughts....
We meet as a staff Sunday AM I am just trying to see alternatives beside Saturday...
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 26, 2009 18:01:12 GMT -6
Yes for me at my last job it was year three...
First two years were 2-8 and we started 15 Sophomres... By the time we got to year three we had a great team that had a tremendous work ethic. They bought into what we were doing...
Year three playoffs.... Year Four we hosted the schools first regional championship game in 20 years... Did this with improving the teams GPA and reducing discipline...
New school last year we went 1-9... Started over 15 sophomores and freshmen in one year... Including long snapper, kicker and punter we have 24 out 25 players coming back... Plus we are TWO deep at every position.
Our weight room has been just unbelievable... No fence sitters and great leadership. I am hopeful we can turn it around sooner but the future is very, very bright. Our best players are our hardest working players as well and we have changed the off-season culture... Our big thing this fall is trying to win the close games we lost last year - Four games last year we were within a TD in fourth quarter... We just did not have the strength and experience to finish. We focus on this every day in the weight room and we review our goals and expectations as well.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 26, 2009 12:03:58 GMT -6
Yes,
I got some idiot teacher in the school who keeps introducing me to these fat, sloppy out of shape kids... It is very annoying. I talk to the kid and here is how it goes -
Me - have you ever played football?
Kid - No...
Me - Why?
Kid - I don't know...
Me - It is March...Why have you not come up to me or why have you not come to the weight room?
Kid - I don't know... Or I work at Burger King...
Me - Do you REALLY want to play?
Kid - I don't know...
I try to be nice but when a fat sloppy kid is 16 or 17 years old and he has NEVER played football it really makes for almost a CULTURE SHOCK for him... But this teacher keeps passing them on to me...
I tell them the weight room hours and they NEVER come by...
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 26, 2009 11:38:21 GMT -6
I would imagine in MOST our programs those REALLY fat obese kids that are out of shape probably do not last long in weights, running, conditioning... They probably drop out before August...
I did have a kids at my old school -
6'0" 370 lbs...
He was strong as an OX... He was out of shape but we would ride him and he would get down to around 345 or so... Could could bench around 320 and squat almost 500... Just a horse... There were times though I would worry about him during conditioning and running... To the kids credit he never came up limp or made complaints...
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 26, 2009 10:37:09 GMT -6
Oh yes - Must have assistants with a vision and philosophy that is shared at all levels of the program. One man CAN not do all of it himself.
Each case is on an individual basis... Some schools require more work and others do not... Some schools you may have to revamp the academic and social expectations of the players. This I have found takes longer than just winning some games...
Other schools more of the pieces might be in place but it may have lacked vision, organization and overall nurture. A lot of programs are on "Cruise Control" and can get stale.. Eventually when the talent runs out they start to fall behind.
I do believe with assistants who are on board this can expedite the process.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 26, 2009 9:27:04 GMT -6
Good points Wolverine -
I have done it and I am currently doing it. Some Points -
1. Change the culture.... This will be the hardest part. Academically, Socially, Athletically. Priortize off-season commitment. The biggest thing is that you as the head coach will have to put a LOT of time and energy into it...
2. You will probably have to go "young"... Old players will probably buck some of your new ideas and plans.
3. Create competition.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 25, 2009 10:13:49 GMT -6
On my current staff I have the following:
1. OC 2. DC / Strength & Conditioning Coach / Assistant head coach 3. Special Teams Coordinator 4. JV head coach 5. 9th Grade head coach
I coach the OL/DL and all of the administrative stuff...
I map out exactly what we want to do and the five above coaches follow through and take the ownership of it. All of these coaches are really, really into coaching.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 25, 2009 10:06:26 GMT -6
Touchdown Maker -
I have had a few parents snif around.. Some have been good others not so much...
I break assistants down to this - a. He REALLY LOVES football... Eats, sleeps, breaths it... Clinics, spring practice, books, magazines, TIVO games on TV.... ALways has a pen and paper and is trying to get better... Anytime you do 7 on 7, team camp, lineman camp, passing camp.... That person is ABOUT it!! OR....
b. The guy who is a "babysitter" and just wants to collect his stipend... Rarely comes to off-season activities, complains about off-season meetings or meeting on the weekend... Those guys just do not have a passion for the game. That passion in my opinion rubs off on your players. If the players see that the coaches are there for workouts, camps, tournaments, 7 on 7.... The kids get on board as well.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 25, 2009 9:27:27 GMT -6
At both of my schools staff continuity and togerthness was my FIRST priority...
It has paid dividends.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 25, 2009 8:34:19 GMT -6
All of the above are right on.. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) You are basically the CEO of an organization. You account for everything in the program. You map out the course and you are in charge of the "big picture"... The actually Football / Friday night part of it probably makes up under 15 % of what you do 365 days out of the year.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 25, 2009 6:11:49 GMT -6
Coach our plan starts in March goes through August 10th (First day of practice). We lift four days a week. On Tuesdays and Thursdays after we lift our QB/WR go out and throw for about 40 minutes (Captains run it... We have all of our players returning.. They do a GREAT job).
Starting in April on Thursday nights from 6:00 - 8:00 we have a passing camp with three other schools... We get some work in and play 3 games a night. This is until first week in June.
We have 5 Tournaments we will attend - Each of those tournaments get us 4 games minimum... THese are all day on Saturday.... April - 1 May - 1 June - 3
We have a team camp in June run by the local rec league (This is for four days).
Finally we have a Four day Team Camp in July at JMU as well...
By the time we get to to June our players will know our WHOLE pass game inside and out. Defense as well... We will have our two and three deep in place for each position and our JV team will be up to speed too...
Do I make this mandatory - No
I find players WANT to do this... They are itching to get out of the weight room and throw the ball around, plus they like to compete.
I guess our team camps our like NFL minicamps and our 7 on 7 tournaments are similar to OTA's... We have every player returning on both sides of the ball so they already know the deal....
I also have a very, very committed staff (OC, WR Coach, RB, Coach, JV Coach) and they take the ball and run with this stuff at the Team Camps.
My goal is by the time we suit up in August we will have played in over 50 7 on 7 games / tournaments. They will have it down cold.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 24, 2009 19:28:20 GMT -6
Hmmm...
Basketball cuts.. baseball Cuts...
Why can't football? I would bet in your states handbook it does NOT say you can not cut! In our state they are allowed 3 days and then they are free game...
Drop the hammer on the kid and I bet no other kid tries that BS in the future.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 24, 2009 11:57:40 GMT -6
Communicate, communicate, communicate...
If at some point he does not want to play move on... If you feel he is just going to show up in August and collect his stuff than you have the right to pick your team and cut any player you feel is not worthy of having the uniform...
I find if you communicate with them and constantly talk to them or throw out reminders to the players - they will either hop on board to your expectations or they will leave.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 24, 2009 11:51:31 GMT -6
If he has a good work ethic and is smart I see no problem...
This past year I had over 10 Sophomores start for me... Out of the 10 - Five had a 3.5 or higher... GREAT kids. Not vocal but work hard.
After being in the weight room since December 1st - they are much stronger and now are "feeling themselves" and have the confidence to be vocal.
I also have some kids who are not vocal - just lead by example.... My senior class is FULL of these kids. GReat, great, great kids but are not very vocal, just work hard...
Be thankful you have this problem and not a talented kid with poor grades, mouthy and always in trouble. Those kids are the kind that drive you crazy!!
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 24, 2009 10:41:55 GMT -6
In the past we had 11 - 12 now I have 6 (We are going both ways..).
1. Me - OL/DL 2. RB - LB Assistant 3. QB - Rush ends 4. WR - DB Assistant ] 5. Linebackers - Assist RB 6. DB - Assist WR
When we are on offense - the PRIMARY offensive guys run drills and so forth.. Their assitants help (ANd they do scout team..)
When we do defense flip....
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 24, 2009 10:31:30 GMT -6
We do these three -
1. Raffle in Spring (I have a timeshare in Aruba... Week for free WITH airfare for two). We charge $10.00 a ticket. We make usually between $9,000 - $14,000 - Depending...
2. Gold Cards - 1st Team Sports (August) - We make between usually $9,000.00 - $14,000 (Range).
3. Letter Writing Campaign (August) - Last year we cleared $5,400.00 off this.
I like to do BIG fundraisers with a LOT of pop.... I am not a big fan of Nickel and Dimming car washers, donut sales... I also have a very supportive booster club that helps out with this as well...
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 24, 2009 10:21:42 GMT -6
For coaches Communication -
1. Use a web site... Great way to put calendars up and to pass along info (I have done this for years).
2. Email - Create a football email and send out update, reports every couple of weeks... Kind of like newsletters... (Team Camps, Passing tournaments, team meetings, summer lifting...).
Facebook - As a teacher my policy is similar to others... I wait until AFTER they graduate... I have several of my former players currently in college and it allows me to check up on them. I do not accept invitations from current students and players with regards to facebook (Compromising...). Again this is MY policy but I know others who do accept them.... Just does not sit well with me.
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