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Post by brophy on Mar 4, 2013 21:55:43 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Mar 4, 2013 11:47:47 GMT -6
BTW, the moderator didn't exactly do Green/Whitlock any favors with his lead-in to the debate. or Green/Whitlock didn't do any favors to football because they are both brainless mopes. There was NOTHING discussed in that forum that would compel anyone to action one way or the other. Gladwell and Bissinger just made stronger arguments of their position. Both presented a position and backed it up with some type of evidence. Unfortunately, for them all they did was get you half way there. Its like saying "ice cream makes you fat. It has all this sugar and calories.......ICE CREAM WILL KILL YOU!". Rolling up the "college football is too big!", "college athletes are not compensated" then throwing some CTE studies in to boot just made a sloppy position. Proponents of football have to be able to meet these criticisms, acknowledge the risks, and then explain whats truly at stake. Rather than addressing that whole big bag of {censored} that the two were using as negative aspects of football, they should have dissected/separated each position (because Gladwell & Bissinger were just using one argument to support the other).
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Post by brophy on Mar 4, 2013 8:24:03 GMT -6
the problem with that 'debate' from a year ago was that it was all over the place and none of the four panelists would focus on one specific topic. Gladwell conveniently included brain trauma to recycle an older argument about college athletics, period. It didn't help that Whitlock and Green didn't step outside their syndicated columnist world, dig a little deeper to provide anything other than a "tradition" argument.
I think that illustrates the goal here should be for us all.....deal with this issue matter-of-factly and provide direct feedback. If either Whitlock or Green did that, they would've proved Gladwell and Bissinger's disjointed themes ridiculous.
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Post by brophy on Mar 2, 2013 14:12:08 GMT -6
I hope you know you're obligated to do like a blog post EVERY FREAKING DAY, amirite? The tempo they do is something to witness ESPECIALLY their first week. The players just aren't used to it and it really takes them a while to understand that playing football "this way" is something they had no idea about. brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2010/03/tfsltu.htmlit affects the defense, too...those coaches have to move just as fast
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Post by brophy on Mar 1, 2013 14:49:57 GMT -6
Write notes, then try to write it out to explain it to someone else......
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Post by brophy on Feb 28, 2013 18:18:27 GMT -6
No... While the featured player looks like a man among boys I do not think it is good for him to receive so much attention at such an early age. I hope he has a good head on his shoulders, but it can be tough dealing with a senior that has received a couple of D1 offers and thinking he has arrived. I certainly wouldn't want to deal with it for four years. Of course, I might have a change of heart if he were suiting up for me on Friday nights... this+ what is the point of "offering" when it has no binding authority? They can pull the "offer" his senior year or Offer him to grey shirt....
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Post by brophy on Feb 27, 2013 22:34:05 GMT -6
www.nola.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2013/02/dylan_moses_alabama_lsu_offers.html#incart_river_defaultLSU turned a few heads in July when it initially offered the the 6-foot-1, 215 pound, 14-year-old athlete, who has played linebacker, running back and safety.
Yet it was Alabama that garnered the majority of front-page headlines this week, when it offered Moses during one of its junior days last week.
"It's a surprise that (Alabama Coach) Nick Saban and his staff offered him a scholarship already because they hadn't seen him before," Edward Moses Jr. said. "I would assume they based their evaluation at least somewhat on LSU having offered him. (LSU Coach) Les Miles and his staff have seen him at camps since he was 10 years old, so they have almost a database on Dylan and his progress."
more power to this young athlete and his family, I just couldn't imagine how a program is going to contend with the momentum that is heading their way. if you factor in the typical growth of puberty, he projects to grow to 7'1" 307lbs and run a 3.81 40 when he is 19
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Post by brophy on Feb 27, 2013 14:05:45 GMT -6
i should add.....everywhere I've been the staffs go out of their way to accommodate you and if you're not talking with the coaches or in meetings, they usually give you free access to their film room. Especially if you have a prospect yeah.....#1 caveat to that statement! sorry.....
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Post by brophy on Feb 27, 2013 12:22:01 GMT -6
i should add.....everywhere I've been the staffs go out of their way to accommodate you and if you're not talking with the coaches or in meetings, they usually give you free access to their film room.
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Post by brophy on Feb 27, 2013 3:55:53 GMT -6
I've done this for about a dozen programs (in the spring) don't just visit practice..... - talk with the coach that recruits your area
- bring film of your juniors
- ask if you can just sit in on position meetings (before practice)
- bring all the questions you could have
- show up 2-3 hours before practice and talk with the coaches
.....more important than seeing what they do, develop a relationship with their staff I doubt they'll let you film, though
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Post by brophy on Feb 21, 2013 11:34:21 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Feb 16, 2013 15:37:52 GMT -6
Brophy, once again where did I say I hated Jesus? it was the same stretch as your equation of " sacrificing of your personal glory for the greater good of the group" as tantamount to preaching the Communist ethos.
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Post by brophy on Feb 16, 2013 13:13:35 GMT -6
Fantom
The Hoke piece fully substantiates humor in this thread. Dr. Cantu was only offered as a reply to moball's insistence for a reply to legislation, not as substance to CTE there are links on page 2 & 3 on the studies of brain injury.
What quantifies as "defend the game", though? For the record, I havent declared a position one way or the other yet.
How did we deal with players being disoriented 10 years ago? 5 years ago? How do you think we'll deal with it in another 5 years? Differently? If so, it'd be a good idea to get on board now.
I remember getting the piss knocked out of me in HS and college plenty. When it happened 1) I had no idea what was happening (and I wasnt about to ask) and 2) when I did I wasnt gonna take myself and upset my coach. That doesnt mean that was smart, just that things are different and times are changing
We can play this game smarter
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Post by brophy on Feb 16, 2013 10:29:16 GMT -6
I'm in favor research but many people are acting as though the research has been done and has proven definitively that youth, HS, and college football create an undue risk to the brains of the participants. That simply isn''t true. what studies are you referring to? There were several links and videos included in the first 4 pages that either we're ignoring or I don't know what because the issue is brain trauma. period. Not long-sustained 20 year careers of it, its simply the effects of CTE. There ARE knowns out there (and there is more to learn). Specifically, which study and assertion are you challenging? Again, the NFL gets the majority of attention because its a Billion dollar industry with a player advocacy. High School, youth, and college DO NOT have any governing body looking out for the interests of the players, save parents and coaches. So shouldn't we take an interest in learning what the issues are rather than taking a "what me worry" position without investigating anything? It would seem that what's out there is out there [there are PLENTY of different studies available..don't expect it to be delivered on a platter]. As COACHES, it would stand to reason that we'd want to be the most educated on what puts our kids at risk, whether it be dehydration, injury recovery, heat stroke, or muscle soreness. If parents don't get the sense that coaches will look out for the best interests of their players, then why should they back us? The media sensationalize things. For the Huey board, I wonder if the whole media talk be removed from this discussion because the hysteria involved with it (both sides) doesn't serve anyone. Its just emotion and rhetoric....just swinging at air. So what is the point? The "aw, I'm sick of hearing about the news" "the {censored} media is..." "you know the bias is..." - eh, well stop tuning in, then. The TV isn't the only place you educate yourself, is it? Regarding the "legislation" issue....politics gonna politics but here is the proponent of limiting contact in youth ball
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Post by brophy on Feb 15, 2013 18:13:19 GMT -6
that was a hype song? leave it up to your players. They will surprise you (especially if YOU ask them, they will be extra careful about what they select). Ultimately, it is THEIR team for that one season - let them own it.
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Post by brophy on Feb 13, 2013 10:35:41 GMT -6
Not quite sure how we went from discussing the inherent risks of a sport whose primary action is to collide into others to comparing various political systems with New Testament teachings. We totally rock it though. pretty sure it happens all the time because unnecessary qualifiers get thrown in the mix (Obama, family values, "they takin our gunz!" and the tenets of National socialism) all within this thread Only on Coach Huey.? I wish
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Post by brophy on Feb 13, 2013 2:54:19 GMT -6
football in an individual sport. It is 11 individuals each giving their maximum effort. what motives player #1 might not work with player #7 and so on. motivating players is still an individual thing.
Sorry, but I can't let this slide. You're crawfishing here. No one suggested anything about "motivation" philosophy here. Your original comment had to do with hyperventilating at the mere suggestion of working together, to which you invoke a Godwin-esque knee jerk about socialism. Heaven forbid our players care about each other and sacrifice. "Football is an individual sport" - that is the FIRST time I've ever heard that. Your comment: many coaches really have communist thinking here. Sacrifice for the common good comes right out of Marxism. Deny the individual comes right out of stalin. Come in from the ledge, Coach McCarthy. We teach our players about banding together in group efficacy and we're painting them red? Whoo, boy! For the record, Marx and Stalin actually saw things quite a bit differently (not the same). What were you saying about thinking critically? this is why do as I say or else coaches are not very successful in the long run. players see through the BS and the Fear. I believe kids need to be thinkers. they need to understand the how and why.
Coaches should be teaching kids critical thinking skills. They should teach their kids to ask questions. To have coaches explain the how and why instead of the do or die mentality most coaches have. really no idea why you're conflating coercive motivation with reinforcing TEAMWORK. No one has suggest anything of the sort. So, if you reinforce how effort and concepts tie together, you're not teaching kids how to think for themselves? Brophy, how did we get to I hate Jesus? I am really curious on this one? You think Coach Slack derives his coaching philosophy from the Red book of Mao Tse-Tung or the Book of John? Your original post derided everything that Slack's New Testament is founded on
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Post by brophy on Feb 12, 2013 17:13:44 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Feb 5, 2013 21:18:39 GMT -6
definitely hold an assembly of some sort and coordinate with the parents and make sure you employ your underclassmen in "working" the assembly (as ushers or gofers) to make sure they are there and SEE what that experience is like. brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2010/02/signing-day.htmlThough, 'signing day' is just an afterthought. Its when those college guys are showing up at practice that they should be understanding what is at stake
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Post by brophy on Feb 4, 2013 10:44:19 GMT -6
I know many will not agree with me but many coaches really have communist thinking here. Sacrifice for the common good comes right out of Marxism. Deny the individual comes right out of stalin. or the bible, I suppose [ and where Coach Slack derives most of his player inspiration from]. Why do you hate jesus, airman? If your players are only concerned about what football can do for THEM (individually), they are totally missing the point of playing a team sport (and they aren't going to find much satisfaction because that motive will always leave you wanting)
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Post by brophy on Feb 4, 2013 8:38:52 GMT -6
it is a theory we've always embraced and told the kids - and it is usually true for HS, as well. There may be typically 3 key moments that determine the outcome of a game (big explosive gain, turnover/takeaway, special teams play). It only takes 1 play to make a difference in a game and it could come from ANYONE on the field (tipped pass, force a fumble). Extraordinary effort is what will make something happen.
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Post by brophy on Feb 3, 2013 20:47:20 GMT -6
i don't think there is Huey Tube since 2007, but the thread with videos has so many embeds that your browser will crash
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Post by brophy on Feb 3, 2013 17:59:01 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Feb 3, 2013 16:15:16 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Feb 3, 2013 11:01:19 GMT -6
Wait until football's "sandy Hook" incident. Something the media can harp on over and over. Maybe something tonight on the biggest stage of the super bowl. If a player dies on the field tonight. What then? It must be banned! You were saying something about handwringing alarmist reactionaries? Buy gold and head for the hills, I guess. Can we discuss this without the AM. Talk radio tinfoil? Russians, communism, Sandy Hook, Obama, and liberty.....jesus christ
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Post by brophy on Feb 3, 2013 9:30:06 GMT -6
I think you are missing the point of all the coaches that seem to be on the opposite side of this issue. what side am I on, though? If we all believe in researching effects and ensuring safety, aren't we agreeing? This does not need some silly congressional inquiry or the President opening his mouth about something of which he has no idea.... because they don't see the reward, and because they are the inteligencia, they then owe it to the small minded of us to change the game for us. I must be missing something, but who here has suggested what you've written? So he and several others vented their frustration with their own personal decisions through the courts, and juries of their piers took great joy in rewarding them millions because the owners of these mines had to be bad people. They were rich. We see the same thing now. Look at how many people want to side against the owners simply because we have been conditrioned to believe that old white guys in suits with fat pocket books have to be bad.
this becomes more of a labor issue, though, and should be separated from the talks of health impacts of football. I couldn't care less about the NFL industry, but unfortunately it represents the disparity between HS/NCAA and the NFL. One has a players advocacy, one doesn't. You're not in a teacher's union, are you? The bottom line, though, I'd just like to see this discussion rise above being an echo chamber of rants. Lets actually review something and share as colleagues
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Post by brophy on Feb 3, 2013 1:32:08 GMT -6
The stupid bedwetter media complaining about it like local news lowest common denominator stories can stick it. I wish I could find the WW2 numbers on officers that played football. this is the only thing I'm confused on. You're complaining about hyperbole rhetoric, yet you freely invoke it to serve your emotionally invested position (i.e. "our country will be destroyed if any rules are added to football" - "If football doesn't exist, the Gremans will invade Pearl Harbor.....TOMORROW!!!!") as with anything, media saturation fatigue is generally a sign that you're watching too much TV because this is where you're being exposed to the message. Should we, as coaches, not try to speak the most intelligently on this issue by actually reviewing the research / findings available? Simply declaring a "harumph!" to each and every CTE commentary doesn't do much to compel anyone to a serious discussion. I really don't know what can be done about this issue, myself. One thing for sure, the game IS changing (better or worse) as evidenced in the focus and direction it has taken in the last 15 years. We may as well try to be ahead of the curve and protect the important values of the game through education on the issue, rather than entrenching ourselves in what is comfortable. How can any of us address parent/player concerns about brain trauma from impact if we don't know what's going on?
concussionwise.com/for-coaches
www.nfhslearn.com/courses/teasersPromos/Concussion.html
aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-11-11/nfl-concussions-hide-symptoms-sporting-news-midseason-players-poll
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Post by brophy on Feb 2, 2013 16:44:03 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Feb 1, 2013 17:37:35 GMT -6
not responding to your post, just providing an easy summary of the thread
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Post by brophy on Feb 1, 2013 17:24:59 GMT -6
so if I'm reading this correctly, if we even attempt to make the game safer, we will get
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