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Post by brophy on Apr 24, 2013 12:58:37 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Apr 24, 2013 7:41:38 GMT -6
Isn't this what Bellichick was doing in the 2000s?
look at all those players he had that were role players. Each year, players were replaced and veterans were brought in to perform a specific function (on the cheap)
In HS ball....how does that work? You really don't control the talent pool all that much (unless you're talking about specifically bringing in wrestling, soccer, track guys to perform a specific function)
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Post by brophy on Apr 23, 2013 19:38:14 GMT -6
We are small...20 kids or less most years. JVD there is never a perfect time to platoon, because no one will ever have a situation ideal until they invest in a 9 -12 program. I get the sub 2A schools who barely have enough male/female in school to field a team, but 400+ enrollment means there are kids to be had, they just have to be built and coached. Just like with any ROI / budgetary scenario, this stuff just doesn't fall out of the sky and into our laps. There is never an "ideal" situation to pay off your debt, you have a finite income and have to cut budget items to make it all work. Same principle here; every player isn't going to be a polished playmaker going into the season. We've got to get creative and make due with what we have. This is the same thing as saying "we'd throw the ball more but we just don't have any quarterbacks!" or "we'd focus more on special teams, but we just don't have any kickers!"....well, what in the hell are we doing to develop that talent the other 8 months out of the year? A program can't just be about RIGHT NOW, there needs to be some planning and forethought towards the 5 year plan. A risk would be if you have no control over your coaching staff; you don't trust the guys on staff to be there to build with you. There are legitimate reasons not to platoon, but often we discount it far too early before we've actually taken time to answer the hard questions.
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Post by brophy on Apr 23, 2013 14:25:16 GMT -6
I refuse to lose with my best players standing beside me BC the don't play offense. going back to the OP, this is a really good question....WHAT makes a kid your best player? Is it sheer athleticism or something else? What does/would it take to make a kid dependable on the field in the clutch? There is obviously no right answer. Each program really is different. I think the platooning idea presents some really interesting questions Example 1 Its February. You're building your roster. Your stud LB is also your leading tailback. You've committed to 1 player - 1 position. Tank McStudly is your #1 tailback and your whole offense is centered on him. You have a JV player, Bucky Buckwheat who is a solid tackler but hasn't played Varsity yet. Given you've got 7 months to get him ready, how will this impact Bucky's workouts and participation in workouts? Do you think you can get this kid to become competent as the starting MLB in September? What would you do differently?
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Post by brophy on Apr 23, 2013 14:03:11 GMT -6
also, the great unknown for all of this is the impact of coaching/teaching. When we sold out to platooning, there were SEVERAL guys that I would have NEVER have signed off on starting Varsity, let alone staying on the team come April (kids who never played the position, never played Varsity). I really don't know how you quantify specialization and forcing kids who are participating to become STARTERS. I don't know how you convince a coach that _____ is going to be your starter (whether you like it or not). I will say, though, that when you really commit to it, it makes a HUGE impact on your program. You will have a dozen kids immediately invested in the program. They now have a stake in the outcome of the program, they ARE going to get playing time. They can actually tell people they are on the football team. When you sell out, you've doubled practice reps through the week for a starter (the entire practice is devoted to just that position and just the looks that kid will get from the opponent). If I'm behind Brian Urlacher at linebacker, I know there is just no way I'll get on the field. Why try? Why invest in off season, in practice? I'll do enough to get by. If now Urlacher is going to play RB, the LB spot is open, and now the competition is wide open (with guys similar to my athletic ability), well...now I have a shot...now I'm going to fight for that spot! And of course, those other guys are thinking the same thing. Now, I also understand the reality here. All this is great and platooning is a coaching dream (you get to coach instead of herd cats). Holy moly, SCHEME and game planning now matter! The reality is none of this really means anything. Winning does. If putting your studs out there every gets the job done, thats really all you need. The only challenge with that is you really only cater to your studs and you'll be at the mercy of the talent that is in your program at the time. Having studs is great, but unless they have a great home life, they can also just break your freaking heart because they know they are running the show (lets not kid ourselves) because no one else is gonna see the field but them. blah, blah, blah brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2009/11/treatise-on-platooning.htmlcoachhuey.com/thread/5135
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Post by brophy on Apr 23, 2013 10:04:04 GMT -6
the other thing with the platooning argument (thats important) is....it doesn't really matter/make sense if you're only doing it from Varsity.
If you're a program that calls yourself platooning, then it should ripple through to JV (because you'll have tons of kids who CAN play, who are being coached, but just can't break the starting varsity lineup), freshmen ball, and lower levels. When you're really platooning, you're not just coaching 1 team / 1 year, you're building players throughout their career (i.e. really reaching out to consolidate your feeders and doing spring/summer stuff with 8th graders)
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Post by brophy on Apr 23, 2013 9:28:54 GMT -6
just food for thought, but if we make concessions on platooning, we often end up not platooning at all. Will there be 3 guys who are studs that have to get a lot of time both ways? Likely.
I've seen a lot of places that go this route, never really fully platoon and consequently never really develop depth or a solid program of players contributing. You end up with about 12-14 guys who really contribute to the program, rather than 20-25 (with underclassmen coming back with experience). If you have DI talent, he should play both ways, but who really has bonafide DI guys every year?
Linemen really don't need to go both ways.
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Post by brophy on Apr 19, 2013 14:04:49 GMT -6
Swearing is ok in situation A but not in situation B there is no solid concrete rule on itin front of kids
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Post by brophy on Apr 19, 2013 13:18:31 GMT -6
might want to delineate between what is entertaining and what is appropriate
I have no problem with profanity, but that isn't what this is about. It isn't even really about trying to adopt social mores. It is about being a responsible coach/role model to a large degree. Who needs the headache of being reproached for something as silly as lazy language? It isn't necessary when dealing with high schoolers
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Post by brophy on Apr 19, 2013 9:01:14 GMT -6
I appreciate your input, despite your incorrect summations about the motive of the contract. this isn't personal (and there is no reason to receive it as such), but the hand-wringing over the contract ("WHY WON'T SHE DO WHAT WE TELL HER TO DO?!") is what leads folk to make that conclusion. The contract is a heavy-handed approach where someone is trying to flex their authority for obedience. Even if she liked you guys before, that would turn anyone off (let alone someone who doesn't like you to begin with). This is one of those pick your battles issue. What kind of relationship was established with momma before all this? How do y'all win her back? What behavior is she trying to influence on her kid by pulling him from sports? Y'all likely have a mutual interest (if he is getting in trouble and she's pulling him from sports, that would also serve the team's interest as well). Kid misses practice, he loses PT. period. Doesn't matter who you are. You quit on us for consecutive practices, you're out. Special cases are handled by team leadership.
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Post by brophy on Apr 18, 2013 21:06:44 GMT -6
the real question we should be asking is, "is it necessary?" I hate to make it seem like there is a right answer here. I am no prude and enjoy profanity in my personal life ( {censored}, professionally we use it, too). But dealing with kids and families and school administrators....that bravado {censored} is for the young minded. This isn't your college team you're on anymore. You're in the position of educator and the bottom line is there just isn't a DEFENSE for using profanity in front of kids. Its not "cool", it doesn't make you billy badass or establish your alpha....it just makes us look immature when we use it. This coming from a guy who used it a lot when I first started out. Try going a week in practice without swearing around the kids (don't make any excuses). Then come back justifying why you NEED to say "boosheet!" and "HASSHOLE!" the next week
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Post by brophy on Apr 18, 2013 20:33:19 GMT -6
dats jess good coachin'
**or lazy communication skills. Be a professional
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Post by brophy on Apr 18, 2013 10:03:37 GMT -6
I agree, and he's let us down before. That's why we want to get this contract signed. And as far as your feeling that this is quite the opposite of this kid needing football, you are incorrect. He has great measurables and was a starter for us, but we would be just fine without him. Also, to be clear, his "in and out" have not resulted in missing workouts or practices. So, I'm not sure what's unfair about it to other kids. if you would not extend this courtesy to any other kids, then it is a disservice (rewarding kids that quit on you) to the others. YOU need the kid for football. Y'all are seeing this only through the lens of a coaching staff that has a stud player. Likely, a stud player who has no serious DI suitors yet (otherwise, momma's attitude would be significantly different). He isn't that special. Move on. A kid that needs football more than football needs him = troubled kid that you keep on the team, but serves a limited role. bottom line, none of us have the right to dictate parenting protocol for their own kids.
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Post by brophy on Apr 18, 2013 9:51:15 GMT -6
kids that break your heart (trust) will only set you up for failure down the road when you need them the most. I understand kids that need football more than football needs them, but this sounds like the opposite.
It also sets a bad precedent for the other kids who have committed to the program.
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Post by brophy on Apr 18, 2013 9:47:17 GMT -6
WHY would she be compelled to sign the contract? How is she obligated to adhere to it? How would you handle any other "in-and-out" kid?
*aren't the answers to all 3 an indication of a one-way motivation? She's not obligated to it, but she should certainly be compelled to sign it because it's what's best for her kid. Any other "in and out" kid we'd have kicked to the curb already, but this kid needs football to even graduate from high school. The structure, discipline, and academic monitoring he has gotten from our program has benefited him greatly. let me rephrase those 3 questions What incentive does she have to sign your contract? lets say she signs it.... but doesn't abide by it. Whatcha gonna do? Sounds like she's holding all the cards. Maybe move on?
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Post by brophy on Apr 18, 2013 9:38:25 GMT -6
WHY would she be compelled to sign the contract? How is she obligated to adhere to it? How would you handle any other "in-and-out" kid?
*aren't the answers to all 3 an indication of a one-way motivation?
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Post by brophy on Apr 18, 2013 6:08:56 GMT -6
It amazes me that some of you think that sh** is worse then GD. To me a parent or administrator would be much more offended by the GD word. Only in America would this be true
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Post by brophy on Apr 17, 2013 17:25:44 GMT -6
of lot of going on
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Post by brophy on Apr 17, 2013 5:30:03 GMT -6
In my younger and foolish days I had a foul mouth at practice. I was one of those coaches who bought into the hype that a big part of my job was to motivate/intimidate and swear up a storm. Luckily, I grew up.Nowadays I NEVER use any foul language when I am correcting a player; but to be fair I think coaches who get all riled up, upset, and scream & curse are a bit off anyways (if you're that overly emotional and can't control yourself then you probably shouldnt work with kids). You shouldnt need to curse at someone you are working with to effectively get your point across, especially not a kid. I still drop some casual swearing, usually the colloquialisms I'm used to saying, but as an educator and coach on campus I think its best to keep it relatively clean this is it necessary? can you go a practice without doing it? then, it isn't needed in a practice and shouldn't be done.
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Post by brophy on Mar 16, 2013 13:56:18 GMT -6
My answer here won't be popular, but if his main motivation was money...so be it. He has a product people are willing to pay for. If I had something that people were willing to pay top dollar for and part of this product got put on the internet for free, I'd probably be a little irked too. Only would make sense if the seller invented the product. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards What would your thoughts be if this were USC or UCLA?
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Post by brophy on Mar 16, 2013 0:06:07 GMT -6
to be fair, I'm sure ANY program would do the same thing if they found out someone was filming their practices unknowingly. It likely has more to do with trust than actually spilling the beans on scheme. Particularly with spring ball, it may also have something to do with additional scouting of the depth chart that you wouldn't normally get. That being said, I seem to remember La Tech last year being a part of one of those ESPN "inside the program" type deals where the entire practice soup-to-nuts was filmed. It also looked like coachbdub made an effort to NOT film/post anything secret (just Indy drill work), likely the same stuff you would've caught had a local broadcast affiliate was filming stock bumper footage. To each his own, though. It certainly presents a new challenge for programs because information is so accessible these days. Now coaches have the potential of contending with a multitude of sources that could affect your branding as a program. Bottom line, though, this has more to do with going beyond the etiquette of being a guest. Its one thing to email another coach and ask questions to help your program. Its another thing to visit that coach under the pretense that you want to make your program better, then turn around and publish stuff recordings of your interaction that he didn't know was taking place. Its not our place to be able to pass judgment on another coach and determine whether or not they have a right to be upset. I'm also curious if brophy has been asked to take any of his LaTech stuff down before. yes
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Post by brophy on Mar 15, 2013 15:08:16 GMT -6
hurrrible horrible person.....shocked!
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Post by brophy on Mar 14, 2013 15:16:56 GMT -6
"well, if they are doing it, then we must do it." I wonder what a football program would look like if we had no restrictions and/or were not concerned about what our competitors were doing. What would we esteem as being important? In Iowa, we didn't have Spring ball and you ' technically' couldn't have "Football practices", but we made TEAMS in the months of January - June. Give me a dedicated group of guys working out 3 times a week, doing speed work in the morning, with a fraction of them doing leadership training, with monthly strongman competitions and I'll take that over spring ball and 7-on-7
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Post by brophy on Mar 12, 2013 19:53:40 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Mar 12, 2013 13:38:33 GMT -6
semantics. The article is referring to modifying perception through self-efficacy( coachhuey.com/thread/49259) Training the brain, would be more about developing skills for mental clarity / focus under pressure (see Boyd Epley) "mental toughness" is more commonly associated with being competitive and persevering for optimal performance (toughen the mind to not quit when it would normally). this is the weight room.period......but if you want to send me $49.95 I'll give you a Powerpoint with clip art of barbells.
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Post by brophy on Mar 8, 2013 11:04:11 GMT -6
Question..... I view the site on a mobile device quite a bit. Since the upgrade I routinely get logged out and/or my viewing in desktop mode gets disabled.
This didnt happen before and doesnt happen on any other message board I visit, just Huey. Doesnt matter if I cache passwords or settings it will randomly forget everything
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Post by brophy on Mar 8, 2013 10:34:56 GMT -6
"Coaching Clinic" attire = Sports Bar attire did I say that out loud?
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Post by brophy on Mar 6, 2013 21:40:42 GMT -6
personally, I find spring ball overrated. Yeah, I said it. Spring ball in Louisiana is 10 days (down from 15). I've been at places where it was "install everything and win now!" and "just get the kids out and interested". Spring ball can be more of a distraction and logistical problem (now you have to issue gear, collect gear, get all the kids together to follow routine, etc) with little return. Every place I've been at with spring ball told me jack squat about what fall would be like because we always had academic issues and the spring stud(s) never panned out/stayed eligible.
I don't / can't recall any situation in Sept - Nov where I could ever say "Gosh, it sure was nice we did ____ in April because it paid off in this game!". I like spring ball because it lets you see and interact with the kids on the field in some great weather (and who isn't itching to run some drills at that time?).....but I don't see the value in it
When I was up north (iowa/illinois), there was no spring ball, but I recall getting MORE DONE without it (off-season conditioning).
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Post by brophy on Mar 6, 2013 14:23:16 GMT -6
Question..... I view the site on a mobile device quite a bit. Since the upgrade I routinely get logged out and/or my viewing in desktop mode gets disabled.
This didnt happen before and doesnt happen on any other message board I visit, just Huey. Doesnt matter if I cache passwords or settings it will randomly forget everything
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Post by brophy on Mar 5, 2013 12:23:18 GMT -6
Paypal site for coach huey
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