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Post by airman on Jan 19, 2008 14:21:19 GMT -6
what do you guys do with an assistant coach who is constantly going to the ad behind your back to make you look bad and make himself look good? oh, you cannot fire him as well.
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Post by airraider on Jan 19, 2008 14:36:29 GMT -6
stab him..
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Post by coachcb on Jan 19, 2008 14:43:26 GMT -6
I would have a nice little meeting that involved the entire staff and administration. Sit down and figure out what everyone's issue is and solve it.
Bottom line for me is simple; IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THINGS ABOUT ME BEHIND MY BACK YOU D-MN-SURE BETTER BE ABLE TO SAY IT TO MY FACE IN FRONT THE PERSON YOU'VE BEEN TALKING TO!!!!!!
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 19, 2008 14:52:38 GMT -6
well....is he saying untrue statements? If not, what actions are being reported? I agree though, lets get it all out in the open.
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Post by airman on Jan 19, 2008 15:01:11 GMT -6
the school was averaged 3 wins a season for the last 20 years.(1 11 win season 11 yrs). 22 years ago this guy was on the state championship team and he is now back as an assistant.
the school has been getting better but it is just not a good football school. swimming, soccer and hockey are the big sports.
my brother who is the head coach just took took over two years ago and has 8 wins. the twon sort of accepts the football team being bad. however there are those guys who were on the state team and they want to win.
the assistant wants to live in the past and bring back the rah,rah stuff for the community. the guy is from a very popular family in the town. now he is 40 and wants to retrun to glory years.
I just feel back for my brother who is the head coach. he goes to the ad and tells him how his plan will return them to the glory years of 1984 and 85 where they lost only once in 28 games.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 19, 2008 15:04:01 GMT -6
again.. when you say "snitch" are you talking about him telling untrue statements? Or is it that he just complains and whines and says "I would do things like this...but our HC is doing things like THIS..."
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 19, 2008 15:07:04 GMT -6
How is your relationship with your AD and school admin?
This may dictate how you proceed.
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Post by airman on Jan 19, 2008 15:16:30 GMT -6
again.. when you say "snitch" are you talking about him telling untrue statements? Or is it that he just complains and whines and says "I would do things like this...but our HC is doing things like THIS..." it is the whine and complain. he meets with his old budys in town at a local bar and discuss the good old days and how they are going to return to glory days. I am sure he has some good ideas. I have told my brother to work with him as he could be a valuable asset. he just seems to be more interested in getting himself to the top adn not the team. this bothers my brother. |
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Post by kurtbryan on Jan 19, 2008 15:20:24 GMT -6
One of the toughest decisions a Head Coach has to make is to Fire somebody, but if there is just cause and/or reprehensible actions then it makes the choice easier.
In the past I had to cut loose a Very popular assistant football coach from my staff. The Head Coach and Assistants should always deal with issues/opinions/comments directly with the Head Coach.
But below are some good rules to live by if you are a Head Coach and want harmonic relationships with your staff and the Admin:
1. When the Head Coach is not in the Room, the Assitant(s) can NEVER start a sentence with these words, "OK, this cannot get back to (insert name) the Head Coach," because anything worthwhile ALWAYS gets back to the Head Coach.
2. Rule number One Applies to EVERY situation UNLESS the Assistant Coach(es) are Planning a Suprise Birthday Party for the Head Coach
3. The Head Coach needs to have a Wide Open line of communication with the AD and Principal. If/when any Asst. Coach attempts to cast an ill-light upon the Head Coach to the AD or Principal or to the Players or Parents - the Head Coach Must be informed of who said what and why...that way the Head Coach can discuss those things with the Assistant Coach in question.
4. All of the Assistant Coaches know the aforementioned Rules by heart - and they are well aware that any Assistant who treads on those rules is asking for trouble and/or will be gone
5. If everybody is on the same page - things are usually good
KB
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Post by jm on Jan 19, 2008 15:31:35 GMT -6
I've seen things like this before and it never ends well for the HC. Ultimately there will be a bad loss or a string of unfortunate events and the assistant will have all of the ammo he needs to mount his coup.
Odds are that he wants your brother to win just enough to position the program for bigger things and that's when he'll manage to weasel into the HC position with help from the AD.
Barring an infusion of new blood in the form of a new AD the only solution is to keep winning and we all know that's much easier said than done.
Personally, if it were me, I'd marginalize the assistant. He's in charge of all scout teams and assists me with my position group during individual time. You're either with me or against me and, if you're against me but I can't get rid of you, I'm going to minimize the damage you can inflict.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 19, 2008 17:01:09 GMT -6
Snitches get stitches in my hood  kidding sorry........ |
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Post by Coach Bruce on Jan 19, 2008 17:39:55 GMT -6
Kidding?? No. Snitches do indeed get stitches. We are talking about a mans reputation and livlihood. If he has children, well then, you don't mess with a mans ability to feed his kids. If your other coaches have your back. Have THEM handle this for you.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 19, 2008 17:50:20 GMT -6
The worst thing he can do is let it continue without saying something. The sooner he steps in and forces communication between everyone involved the better.
If you make it clear that you expect open lines of communication then anything else said behind your back will just make the assistant and anyone else involved look bad.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 19, 2008 17:55:56 GMT -6
Also; it doesn't matter what the assistant is saying about the HC. What matters is that he's not saying to the HC himself!!!
It doesn't matter what the HC has or hasn't done in the situation. If you have a problem with someone, the first person you talk to is that someone. NOT THE AD.
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Post by k on Jan 19, 2008 19:51:37 GMT -6
Kidding?? No. Snitches do indeed get stitches. Did I just walk into a room full of teenage gangbangers? |
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Post by ajreaper on Jan 19, 2008 21:02:55 GMT -6
Doesn't sound like he's "snitching" just excited and talking up the teams ability to rise up and be a better more competitive team. HC just needs to channel that- it certainly can and should be a positive. Better that then telling folks we suck and that ain't going to change.
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Post by CVBears on Jan 19, 2008 21:13:54 GMT -6
I agree that the HC needs to channel the assistant's energy. It could develop into a very positive thing for the team. However, if it can't be channeled, the assistant needs to go.
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Post by coachcoyote on Jan 20, 2008 2:39:29 GMT -6
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2008 9:06:39 GMT -6
Along the lines of these threads...do most HC's have the power to fire a coach? I mean to be the actual final say so. Is it written in the contract? Or, is it just generally accepted that should the HC go to the AD/Principal and say "hey, this is what I want done" then the administrators themselves do it.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Jan 20, 2008 10:17:17 GMT -6
Perhaps I'm off on the far left here but why doesn't your brother just confront him? and I would burn the AD in the process. Something like "Hey, you know, I was talking with Mr. AD yesterday and he said you have been talking to him about some different ideas that you think would help our program. I'm wondering why you felt the need to talk to him about them, instead of bringing them up in our coach's meetings where we could discuss them, possibly implement them, and maybe win more games?" or he could go with "Hey MFer, what the F*** is your problem? Why are you sneaking around behind my back talking to the AD like you are trying to overthrow the current government?" both are very effective. However it is done, the HC...your brother needs to put this guy on notice that he is aware of what he is doing, that he doesn't appreciate it and it is not going to continue. Great post. I also think he should ask for the assistant's resignation immediately - if he truly can't fire him outright. The asst. has already shown he's not in a "teamwork" frame of mind. A lot of businesses discipline pretty severely for "jumping the chain of command," why not coaches? |
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Post by Coach Bruce on Jan 20, 2008 10:23:00 GMT -6
k...if ya wanna call me a teenage gangbanger; cool. But you would never, EVER try to ruin my gig that fed my family without serious consequence to yourself. If that is teenage or gangbanger-ish, well then, just call me O.G.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 20, 2008 10:28:37 GMT -6
Coach Bruce .... wouldn't an assault & battery charge do damage to your "gig"? seems like a school would have ample reason to fire you and could lead to it harder to find a second job...
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2008 10:29:53 GMT -6
k...if ya wanna call me a teenage gangbanger; cool. But you would never, EVER try to ruin my gig that fed my family without serious consequence to yourself. If that is teenage or gangbanger-ish, well then, just call me O.G. Yeah..thats who I want leading a group of boys into manhood. That guy  . The one who makes threats and alludes to physical violence |
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Post by Coach Bruce on Jan 20, 2008 10:33:16 GMT -6
It doesn't have to be "violent" coach. I am just saying that I would confront it and I would do it quick and fast. What that guy is doing is against everything "Team" stands for. It is also dirty and profane. Trying to ruin a mans rep and career because you are in a hurry to take his job. sorry, no respect here for that guy regardless of what anyone here thinks of that. I just couldn't tolerate that. He would have to go and quickly.
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Post by dacoachmo on Jan 20, 2008 10:52:44 GMT -6
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. ONE WORD... BEWARE! |
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 20, 2008 11:26:23 GMT -6
Like most people have said in this thread, your brother needs to confront him on it ASAP. You can't just keep the problem lingering. I would doit it professionally, not get up in his face confrontation.
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Post by ajreaper on Jan 20, 2008 12:00:48 GMT -6
k...if ya wanna call me a teenage gangbanger; cool. But you would never, EVER try to ruin my gig that fed my family without serious consequence to yourself. If that is teenage or gangbanger-ish, well then, just call me O.G. In reality isn't it their gig (as in the players) as much as yours and you get the honor to lead it? Isn't it as much the assistants gig as it is yours? Your name may be on the captains door but it ain't your boat. Obviously as an HC you'd need to address the actions of this coach but if your actions, words and deeds constantly convey to all "this is my gig" you'll find it difficult to keep assistants around long enough to need to run any off. |
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Post by coachorr on Jan 20, 2008 12:21:41 GMT -6
Assistant coaches beware of administrators who do not like the HC. I just came from that situation and it was no fun. No matter how many positive things you say about the HC just the appearance of meeting in the office with the administrator can be misconstrued. In the end I was able to leave and maintain good relationship with the HC.
I wouldn't say fire the guy. I would approach the AD and ask him about it and see if he were open to a meeting with the three of you. If not then meet with the assistant. In that meeting if he is smug or insuborrdinate, ask for his resignation.
Some coaches, are just too full of themselves and they believe that the success of the program is all their doing, when in reality it takes everyone. No one assistant or HC is the complete difference maker in the success or lack thereof in the program.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 20, 2008 12:32:33 GMT -6
AJ Reaper, I just read that post as I was typing my own. That is a fantastic comment. "It is not your gig". It is everyone. And it is less "your gig" in relation to the time you have been there. It amazes me how much coaches HC's and assistants alike (my ownself included at times in the distant past) need their egos inflated.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 20, 2008 12:37:51 GMT -6
I ran into a similar situation this year; not quite as bad as what this HC is dealing with, but still relevant.
I worked with a kid this year; he was 19 years old and basically an assistant to an assistant. We had an issue with a player that resulted in a meeting with his parents. It wasn't a huge deal; the kid hadn't been practicing and thus hadn't been playing. He had exercise induced asthma, was medically cleared to play, but was still using it as an excuse not to practice.
Anyway, on the day this meeting was to take place, I showed up and promptly received a lecture from the freshman team HC. Apparently, this assistant of mine and had told him that he wasn't on the same page with me with respect to dealing with this kid. He said that I was too easy on the kid and that he wanted to deal with the kid more harshly.
Problem was, he and I had never talked about the situation in detail. There wasn't any need; I told the kid on a daily basis that if he didn't practice that he wasn't going to play. On days when his "asthma was too bad" he sat on the bleachers and kept to himself. If he had been disruptive or difficult he would have been gone. The one time this assistant and I did discuss the situation, he said that he agreed with me.
So, I went looking for my assistant OL coach, and found him in the coaches office running his mouth to the varsity HC. He was saying the same this to the varsity HC that he had said to the freshman HC.
Needless to say, I wasn't happy. I pulled him aside and told him that if he had a problem with me, had had better come talk to me first; END OF STORY. I told both HCs that if he went behind my back again that I wouldn't deal with the issue until he came and talked to me first.
He tried it again a couple weeks later; he was upset that I wasn't "conditioning the OL/DL enough". Both HCs chewed him out and sent him on his way.
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. The one who makes threats and alludes to physical violence
