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Post by gregspahn on Jan 20, 2008 12:41:19 GMT -6
I agree that this guy needs to be confronted and if he has not been loyal, or refused to be loyal, he should be removed. They hired the HC to do a job, and he should be allowed to do it. Hell, if this guy does get canned, maybe your brother can give him a little bit of the BOSS on the way out and play "Glory Days"!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Coach Bruce on Jan 20, 2008 13:04:46 GMT -6
AJ and Orr..you are both correct. I will add though that if you don't feel over time that it is "your baby" , then I think that something is wrong. You are correct that it is everyone involved that makes it go. But when you are charged as the "decision maker" then it is indeed your ship. Doubt that? Wait until the "snitch" gets in good with the AD and you lose a couple or a kid gets in trouble and find out who goes down with it. Sadly, at times I do have an ego..not a bad thing as long as you catch yourself and check it.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 20, 2008 13:11:49 GMT -6
Coach Bruce: Heard Mark Speckman from Willamette University speak at a clinic. He mentioned a book called "The Art of War" written by some ancient Chinese warlords and philosophers. It's mainly the interpretations of conducting "War" from Sun Tzu, a great Chinese warlord. War as in violent and non-violent.
Very compelling read. I've ran into some tough situations (politically speaking) over the years and this book keeps your feet on the ground and helps with perspective. Sounds corny but it's a great read.
By the way, nobody can ruin your reputation. Only you can do that.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 20, 2008 13:12:55 GMT -6
Coach Bruce, Great comments. I agree with you 100%, the program needs to identify with the HC and have the feel that the HC wants, because in the end, he is the one responsible. It is okay to be proud and somewhat confident, but sometimes people go too far. I have never heard "ego" in your posts. I think many of we coaches on here have a real good balance between the two. I am just having a little pet peeve about coaches who think they are completely responsible for the success of a program. I think more coaches should read these boards so that they can begin to establish what it means to be "professional" in their approach. Thanks for bringing me down a little bit.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 20, 2008 13:22:58 GMT -6
Maybe "professional" is not the word, "humble" better suited.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 20, 2008 13:33:05 GMT -6
I work for two coaches right now(played for them 17 years ago and coached for them for six years prior), an HC and a DC. The HC just finished his 23rd year and the DC has been their for 17 years and was a GA at the college ranks and played on a national championship team. When you speak to both of them, you would never know it. They have been doing it for so long that they understand that there is always something new to learn and they don't have any reason to boast. When in reality you won't find two guys who know how to do more with less than them. They just do an awesome job and don't listen to the criticism.
They are like the guys in a western that sit in the corner of the saloon and don't say anything, but everyone knows that they are bad a's.
Unfortunately, we have an adminstrator (great guy and good friend) who does not like one of them. Lesson learned from my last post, I am steering clear of the administrator.
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Post by Coach Bruce on Jan 20, 2008 14:00:29 GMT -6
One of the things I love about this site..we all learn from one another and we all keep each other in check to a degree. Until I read you guys post I really did not realize how what I had posted reflected on me. Thanks. this site, and you guys are a wonderful thing. I will check out "The Art of War"
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Post by champ93 on Jan 20, 2008 15:21:22 GMT -6
Back to the original topic... pull the snitch in the office with the AD and clear the air simultaneously. If the AD is siding with the snitch, at least it will be clear that your brother may be running in quicksand, but the enemy is at least known. If the AD sides with the HC, then the snitch has lost his perceived ally and may venture away on his own.
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Post by ajreaper on Jan 20, 2008 15:55:30 GMT -6
Coach Bruce- bad anaology as the problem is seen to be the captain of the ship not the ship itself. You don't go down with it you essentially walk the plank- you go down the ship stays and someone else is steering it. It's like the captain of a nuclear sub- he commands the boat but make no mistake it's not his and can be taken from him. If he wishes to stay he must ensure that all the others perform their jobs with the attitude that it's their boat not the old man's boat- much more gets done when all feel a sense of ownership.
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Post by tcm57 on Jan 20, 2008 16:03:05 GMT -6
Art of War ...
"The consummate leader cultivates the moral law, and strictly adheres to method and discipline; thus it is in his power to control success".
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"When the common soldiers are too strong and their officers too weak, the result is INSUBORDINATION. When the officers are too strong and the common soldiers too weak, the result is COLLAPSE. When the higher officers are angry and insubordinate, and on meeting the enemy give battle on their own account from a feeling of resentment, before the commander-in-chief can tell whether or no he is in a position to fight, the result is RUIN".
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"The general who advances without coveting fame and retreats without fearing disgrace, whose only thought is to protect his country and do good service for his sovereign, is the jewel of the kingdom".
& finally ...
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death".
-- Sun Tzu
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Post by coachorr on Jan 21, 2008 12:33:23 GMT -6
I wish when an AD or a principal had a question for an assistant about what takes place during practice, in the locker room, on the sidelines, on a bus trip; that they would have the HC present. And never ask questions about the HC to the assistants.
I would add that if these questions come up, the very first words that should come out of the assistant's mouth is "Why do you ask or why do you want to know".
Then the next words should be something along the lines of, "I am not sure it is within my responsibility to report to the AD on these matters". "Could we schedule a time where we might sit down with the HC?"
be careful not to tick off the AD or the principal, but I am not sure anyone would take offense to playing the "lowly" assistant role. In the long run it is the best.
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