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Post by 44special on Mar 12, 2024 11:20:55 GMT -6
if it makes a difference, we all coached on both sides of the ball, so we were all involved in watching film, discussions, etc... on both sides.
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Post by realdawg on Mar 12, 2024 11:21:40 GMT -6
I am the HC at a 2a school and also call the defense. Saturday is work on your own day. But on Saturday, if I
1. Grade my position group on D
2. Watch and make notes on the D as a whole
3. Watch and make notes on the O
4. Break down the opposing O (2-3 games)
5. Watch enough of the opposing D to have an idea of what they are doing, and what I think we should be doing on O.
That comes out to about 5-6hours. I will admit that I am not the most efficient at film breakdown. I still do most of it on paper. Many of you can probably do it faster and do just as good of a job. But thats not me or how I do it.
Sunday-at the school around 1230 after church. Mow practice field. O Staff meeting at 2. Usually lasts till between 4 and 5. D staff meeting at 5. Usually lasts till around 8. I am looking at say 7 hours Sunday.
Thats 12-13 hours on those two days easy.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 12, 2024 11:31:40 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is arguing about in season time but are you putting in 4 hours this Friday 3/15? Are you putting in 4 hours this Sunday? The 4 hours is the average per day for 365 days a year.
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Post by fantom on Mar 12, 2024 12:21:41 GMT -6
I don't think that anybody on a football coaches' forum is going to argue that we don't deserve more money. As the philosopher William Munney said, though, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it". This bill looks like a half-a$$ed scheme that seems to leave some open questions.
1. It's going to cost a lot of money. Besides football it calls for big raises for coaches in other sports. Where's it coming from? Maybe the answer is in the bill and was just left out of the article but I kind of doubt it.
2. Is somebody going to keep track of the hours? How?
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Post by realdawg on Mar 12, 2024 12:48:03 GMT -6
Def agree with we don’t put in 4 hours a day after school in off season. Nov-March. Essentially nothing since all our kids lift during school. But come spring. Between spring skill development. And middle school lifts. You looking at about 8 hrs a week for me. During the summer you looking at 20 or so hours a week including workouts and mowing.
Good point about where is the money gonna come from. I do not know of a school system who could fund this type of pay. To me. It sounds like an election year scheme to gain votes from teachers and coaches in the state of Florida.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 12:53:59 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is arguing about in season time but are you putting in 4 hours this Friday 3/15? Are you putting in 4 hours this Sunday? The 4 hours is the average per day for 365 days a year. Exactly. No one is spending 4.1 hours a day all 365 days of the year coaching football. Football coaches are fantastic at telling everyone how much they work and how underpaid they are and carrying that cross everywhere for everyone to see, but most suck at math and realistically keeping track of that work. They're also real good about counting those 2 hours telling stories on Saturday as "work". |
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Post by hlb2 on Mar 12, 2024 13:09:17 GMT -6
I don't think that anybody on a football coaches' forum is going to argue that we don't deserve more money. As the philosopher William Munney said, though, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it". This bill looks like a half-a$$ed scheme that seems to leave some open questions. 1. It's going to cost a lot of money. Besides football it calls for big raises for coaches in other sports. Where's it coming from? Maybe the answer is in the bill and was just left out of the article but I kind of doubt it. 2. Is somebody going to keep track of the hours? How? According to the article in the local paper here, it's going to be up to the school districts to find the funds. Good luck with that. I work at one of, if not thee poorest school district in Florida. You ain't gettin' blood from a turnip. |
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Post by planck on Mar 12, 2024 14:55:34 GMT -6
June through November, I probably average 3 hours / day working on football. Some days a lot more, some a lot less. It's probably more like 1-2 hours / day in the off season. Sometimes a lot more (i.e. the week in January I logged 19 hours watching film in Hudl)
Point being, I am an absolute grinder. Even so, that's only 6 months @ 21 hours / week and 6 @ 7 hours / week, conservatively. That's not even 700 hours / year.
I no longer teach and work from home as a statistical analyst, so I have a lot of flexibility with how I use my time. But I don't think anybody can honestly say they're working part time and going over 1400 hours / year or whatever. That's simply not a thing.
Not saying coaches are paid remotely what they're worth. But I am saying I doubt anyone is working the hours being argued.
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Post by bluedarters on Mar 12, 2024 15:44:07 GMT -6
I have coached in Florida 29 years. 3 in Georgia and 3 in Alabama.
Florida doesn’t do football right except in isolated situations.
To fund that proposal would cost “someone” more than $50 million 😳
Even if you made it reasonable—HC $10k and assistants $5k (that would DOUBLE what most get now)—it would cost $8 million plus.
Here’s why it won’t happen:
1. Supplements are county based. They don’t have the money. Period.
2. Title 9 would derail the train if it did have steam.
3. Teachers would revolt. Most haven’t gotten a raise in decades. For coaches to get a big bump for an “extra curricular activity” would incite a strike if not riots, burning, and pillaging …..
In other words, it sounds good but it’s a fairy tale.
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Post by hlb2 on Mar 12, 2024 18:45:41 GMT -6
I have coached in Florida 29 years. 3 in Georgia and 3 in Alabama. Florida doesn’t do football right except in isolated situations. To fund that proposal would cost “someone” more than $50 million 😳 Even if you made it reasonable—HC $10k and assistants $5k (that would DOUBLE what most get now)—it would cost $8 million plus. Here’s why it won’t happen: 1. Supplements are county based. They don’t have the money. Period. 2. Title 9 would derail the train if it did have steam. 3. Teachers would revolt. Most haven’t gotten a raise in decades. For coaches to get a big bump for an “extra curricular activity” would incite a strike if not riots, burning, and pillaging ….. In other words, it sounds good but it’s a fairy tale. I'll be honest, and maybe I'll get stoned to death, but the whole coalition to me seems like a money grab. Just like the Captains for Clean Waters thing in Florida. Always sounded sketchy to me. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 12, 2024 18:52:38 GMT -6
I'll say this once again, based on statements here I'm almost embarrassed what I make... almost
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Post by realdawg on Mar 13, 2024 3:17:36 GMT -6
No doubt that upstate SC pays really well. As Asst. in the upstate probably makes as much or more than I do as a HC in NC. And I dont have one of the worst paying HC jobs in NC.
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Post by mnike23 on Mar 13, 2024 6:48:23 GMT -6
While I believe that 22K is quiet a supplement. I do think a HC deserves a solid 10K supplement, or to be put on a 12 month contract. Asst. coaches. 5K minimum or 11 month contract. I coach in NC. Which is slightly better than Fl in terms of coaching pay. But still light years behind our neighbors in SC. Which is why we lose 2-3 solid coaches to SC every year, the same way Fl. loses them to GA. id take the 11/12 month contract pay check in a second. to me that would fix it very quickly. it aint 22k by any stretch, but absolutely would change how coaches live in the summer. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 13, 2024 7:14:53 GMT -6
No doubt that upstate SC pays really well. As Asst. in the upstate probably makes as much or more than I do as a HC in NC. And I dont have one of the worst paying HC jobs in NC. The thing that makes the difference is that we get days. I get 15 now. |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2024 7:26:39 GMT -6
No doubt that upstate SC pays really well. As Asst. in the upstate probably makes as much or more than I do as a HC in NC. And I dont have one of the worst paying HC jobs in NC. The thing that makes the difference is that we get days. I get 15 now. What do you mean days? |
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 13, 2024 7:36:49 GMT -6
The thing that makes the difference is that we get days. I get 15 now. What do you mean days? school is 180 days for kids teachers work 190 days, our pay rate is basically figured on a daily rate - guidance counselors might be on a 200 day contract, so figure what their annual salary would be divide by 190, then add the daily rate time 10 more days so basically I have not a 190 day contract, but a 205 day contract..... plus supplement which is just for the 'season' |
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Post by realdawg on Mar 13, 2024 7:38:21 GMT -6
He gets paid at his salary rate for working 15 extra days. So whatever his salary comes out to per day times 15.
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Post by realdawg on Mar 13, 2024 7:40:28 GMT -6
To give you an example of the difference. I am the HC of a small 2a school in NC, about 10 minutes from SC border. I am on an 11 month contract and receive a supplement of just over 5K. Just over the border in SC, there is a small 2a school similar size to us. That currently has an opening for HC. That HC will make about 30K more than I currently do.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2024 8:29:10 GMT -6
school is 180 days for kids teachers work 190 days, our pay rate is basically figured on a daily rate - guidance counselors might be on a 200 day contract, so figure what their annual salary would be divide by 190, then add the daily rate time 10 more days so basically I have not a 190 day contract, but a 205 day contract..... plus supplement which is just for the 'season' That's nice. In Illinois, as far as my experience was concerned, you just got a % of the starting base pay for a teacher. Usually it was 15% for head football coach. Assistant was usually 10%. So, if your district started at $40k, and your % is 15, you're getting paid $6k to be HC and $4500 to be an assistant. I think the most I ever got paid to be a HC was around $7k because the district paid extra % based on longevity and I'd been coaching 19 years at that point. They really wanted me, so they gave me the % for a 20 year coach. Also, no place I ever worked had a base pay of $40k when I worked there. |
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Post by mnike23 on Mar 13, 2024 8:30:04 GMT -6
I don't think that anybody on a football coaches' forum is going to argue that we don't deserve more money. As the philosopher William Munney said, though, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it". This bill looks like a half-a$$ed scheme that seems to leave some open questions. 1. It's going to cost a lot of money. Besides football it calls for big raises for coaches in other sports. Where's it coming from? Maybe the answer is in the bill and was just left out of the article but I kind of doubt it. 2. Is somebody going to keep track of the hours? How? somewhere in the article they say the schools/school districts have to figure how to pay the coaches and who is keeping track of the hours, I agree. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 13, 2024 9:13:52 GMT -6
school is 180 days for kids teachers work 190 days, our pay rate is basically figured on a daily rate - guidance counselors might be on a 200 day contract, so figure what their annual salary would be divide by 190, then add the daily rate time 10 more days so basically I have not a 190 day contract, but a 205 day contract..... plus supplement which is just for the 'season' That's nice. In Illinois, as far as my experience was concerned, you just got a % of the starting base pay for a teacher. Usually it was 15% for head football coach. Assistant was usually 10%. So, if your district started at $40k, and your % is 15, you're getting paid $6k to be HC and $4500 to be an assistant. I think the most I ever got paid to be a HC was around $7k because the district paid extra % based on longevity and I'd been coaching 19 years at that point. They really wanted me, so they gave me the % for a 20 year coach. Also, no place I ever worked had a base pay of $40k when I worked there. In SC the state sets the base, minimum pay for teachers and then each district can add. The formula is a bit convoluted because the of the all legislation that has been passed to fund education. At the state level there is based pay, then added to that is EIA supplement (1980 penny sales tax -Education Improvement Act- that boosted pay, but also added days to the calendar, and other things) that is added to the base, AND then districts add their own supplements (if they do) |
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Post by fantom on Mar 13, 2024 10:36:42 GMT -6
I don't think that anybody on a football coaches' forum is going to argue that we don't deserve more money. As the philosopher William Munney said, though, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it". This bill looks like a half-a$$ed scheme that seems to leave some open questions. 1. It's going to cost a lot of money. Besides football it calls for big raises for coaches in other sports. Where's it coming from? Maybe the answer is in the bill and was just left out of the article but I kind of doubt it. 2. Is somebody going to keep track of the hours? How? somewhere in the article they say the schools/school districts have to figure how to pay the coaches That says who's supposed to pay it. It doesn't say how they're supposed to get the money. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 13, 2024 11:14:13 GMT -6
If you took 1000 from every district assistant superintendent and director of this/that, you could pay for it easily.
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Post by fantom on Mar 13, 2024 11:35:32 GMT -6
If you took 1000 from every district assistant superintendent and director of this/that, you could pay for it easily. Even if that was true the odds of that happening are about equal to them getting the money by winning Powerball. |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2024 11:39:29 GMT -6
In 20 years of education in Illinois, I think I only worked 1 year in a district that has an assistant superintendent. And that was because the Super was retiring and they really wanted to keep the guy to become the super the next year.
Hell, I was going RIF'd one year for some pine trees though...
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Post by blb on Mar 13, 2024 11:57:10 GMT -6
Hell, I was going RIF'd one year for some pine trees though... What does that mean? |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2024 12:19:48 GMT -6
Hell, I was going RIF'd one year for some pine trees though... What does that mean? I was going to get Reduction In Forced (lose my teaching job), hypothetically because they had money problems (I made 40k) while the district paid 35kish for some pine trees. Probably a lot more complex than that, but it sure didn't feel that way. Luckily I got a much better job before they could do it. Place was my alma mater too. So, it was a little extra ball kick. They have also cut all those trees down since then. |
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Post by fantom on Mar 13, 2024 14:46:10 GMT -6
To give you an example of the difference. I am the HC of a small 2a school in NC, about 10 minutes from SC border. I am on an 11 month contract and receive a supplement of just over 5K. Just over the border in SC, there is a small 2a school similar size to us. That currently has an opening for HC. That HC will make about 30K more than I currently do. I read last week that three successful coaches in southern NC just took jobs in SC. |
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Post by realdawg on Mar 13, 2024 15:46:45 GMT -6
Happens every year
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Post by blb on Mar 13, 2024 15:53:11 GMT -6
I'll bet NC doesn't lose many basketball coaches to SC because of pay. |
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