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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 11, 2024 13:23:01 GMT -6
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Post by blb on Mar 11, 2024 13:40:18 GMT -6
Well, it is Florida. Where 90% of "Hillbilly Headlines" on ESPN Radio's "Marty and McGee" show come from. |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 11, 2024 13:53:46 GMT -6
I mean, that's an average of 29 hours "coaching" a week over the course of a year. No one actually does that. That's 4 hours a day 365 days a year. Besides game days, and 7on7 tournaments, idk that I'd spend 4 hours a day during the season. |
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Post by fantom on Mar 11, 2024 14:38:21 GMT -6
Where is the money supposed to come from?
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Post by irishdog on Mar 11, 2024 14:47:14 GMT -6
Over the course of a year I KNOW I spent at LEAST 24 hours per week on "coaching" at private schools around the country. The last being in Texas! I KNOW those public school guys are putting in WAY more time than I did, and are making a LOT more coin than I did. Why? 1. When I was coaching I absolutely loved what I did. I enjoyed every minute of it. Never ever looked at it like a job because I was having way too much fun doing it! 2. Being fairly compensated for it mattered, yes, but it hardly ever was on the forefront of my mind because I knew going in I wouldn't make nearly as much as my public school counterparts. Especially here in Texas! Public school football stipends here average $8,000.00 for varsity coordinators, and around $6,500.00 for assistants. Varies district to district. The top 5 HC's in Texas make well over $150,000.00 but they are also the school's athletic director. As a private school HC I made $5,000.00, but my actual salary was paid for being the school's AP, or Dean, or AD.
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Post by blb on Mar 11, 2024 14:59:11 GMT -6
Where is the money supposed to come from? Mar-A-Lago? |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 11, 2024 15:46:35 GMT -6
Over the course of a year I KNOW I spent at LEAST 24 hours per week on "coaching" at private schools around the country. The last being in Texas! I KNOW those public school guys are putting in WAY more time than I did, and are making a LOT more coin than I did. Why? 1. When I was coaching I absolutely loved what I did. I enjoyed every minute of it. Never ever looked at it like a job because I was having way too much fun doing it! 2. Being fairly compensated for it mattered, yes, but it hardly ever was on the forefront of my mind because I knew going in I wouldn't make nearly as much as my public school counterparts. Especially here in Texas! Public school football stipends here average $8,000.00 for varsity coordinators, and around $6,500.00 for assistants. Varies district to district. The top 5 HC's in Texas make well over $150,000.00 but they are also the school's athletic director. As a private school HC I made $5,000.00, but my actual salary was paid for being the school's AP, or Dean, or AD. So you spent 3-4 hours a day, all 7 days of the week, 52 weeks a year doing football coaching related activities? |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 11, 2024 15:53:12 GMT -6
For a comparison- if you work 7.5 hours a day, for a full 185 day school year, you only work 1387.5 hours. AS A FULL TIME TEACHER.
No football coach in HS, in America is working 1500 hours a year on football. If they, they're stupidly inefficient.
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Post by irishdog on Mar 11, 2024 17:41:53 GMT -6
Over the course of a year I KNOW I spent at LEAST 24 hours per week on "coaching" at private schools around the country. The last being in Texas! I KNOW those public school guys are putting in WAY more time than I did, and are making a LOT more coin than I did. Why? 1. When I was coaching I absolutely loved what I did. I enjoyed every minute of it. Never ever looked at it like a job because I was having way too much fun doing it! 2. Being fairly compensated for it mattered, yes, but it hardly ever was on the forefront of my mind because I knew going in I wouldn't make nearly as much as my public school counterparts. Especially here in Texas! Public school football stipends here average $8,000.00 for varsity coordinators, and around $6,500.00 for assistants. Varies district to district. The top 5 HC's in Texas make well over $150,000.00 but they are also the school's athletic director. As a private school HC I made $5,000.00, but my actual salary was paid for being the school's AP, or Dean, or AD. So you spent 3-4 hours a day, all 7 days of the week, 52 weeks a year doing football coaching related activities? Well...M thru Th during the season I spent 3 hours per day doing football-related activities. On Fridays it was 3 hours. On Saturdays it was at least 2 hours. On Sunday it was at least 2 hours. During the off-season it was 3 hours per day M-F excluding Christmas break but working on football related paperwork (including spring ball). If you count attending clinics, speaking at clinics, on weekends in the off-season add that time to the total. During the summer it was 2 hours per day M-T-W-Th with the weight room, staff meetings, and working football camps. The last week of July was a dead week so I got to see the world. I'm not including the years I spent as a college coach. Just HS. So...yeah, maybe it wasn't completely an hour-to-hour, day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month time frame but damn close! Also, not including the time spent on my other duties as an AP, a Dean, or an AD. If that qualifies as stupidly inefficient then I guess there's a lot of us who are guilty. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 11, 2024 18:35:26 GMT -6
Cant count time you watch hudl when kids are doing Ed puzzles and kahoots.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 11, 2024 18:44:51 GMT -6
So you spent 3-4 hours a day, all 7 days of the week, 52 weeks a year doing football coaching related activities? Well...M thru Th during the season I spent 3 hours per day doing football-related activities. On Fridays it was 3 hours. On Saturdays it was at least 2 hours. On Sunday it was at least 2 hours. During the off-season it was 3 hours per day M-F excluding Christmas break but working on football related paperwork (including spring ball). If you count attending clinics, speaking at clinics, on weekends in the off-season add that time to the total. During the summer it was 2 hours per day M-T-W-Th with the weight room, staff meetings, and working football camps. The last week of July was a dead week so I got to see the world. I'm not including the years I spent as a college coach. Just HS. So...yeah, maybe it wasn't completely an hour-to-hour, day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month time frame but damn close! Also, not including the time spent on my other duties as an AP, a Dean, or an AD. If that qualifies as stupidly inefficient then I guess there's a lot of us who are guilty. Well if you have 2 hour practice, hour scripting, setting up and grading practice, thirty minutes laundry/supervision. That’s a modest three and half hours Monday to Thursday. Game day for us even if we let kids leave (we have them stay) would be 5-11. That’s six hours and that brings up Monday to Thursday average. Four hours on Saturday and Sunday each is pretty tame estimate. 4 hours a day in season seems like a tame estimate. I don’t know off season if we are getting to four hours everyday, but with organization, off season lifting, fundraising, learning from reading, clinics, visits, plus throwing, camps, OTAs, etc. I agree with you that even if not to the full 1500 hours a coach can get close without being a “grinder.” |
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Post by irishdog on Mar 11, 2024 18:51:47 GMT -6
Well...M thru Th during the season I spent 3 hours per day doing football-related activities. On Fridays it was 3 hours. On Saturdays it was at least 2 hours. On Sunday it was at least 2 hours. During the off-season it was 3 hours per day M-F excluding Christmas break but working on football related paperwork (including spring ball). If you count attending clinics, speaking at clinics, on weekends in the off-season add that time to the total. During the summer it was 2 hours per day M-T-W-Th with the weight room, staff meetings, and working football camps. The last week of July was a dead week so I got to see the world. I'm not including the years I spent as a college coach. Just HS. So...yeah, maybe it wasn't completely an hour-to-hour, day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month time frame but damn close! Also, not including the time spent on my other duties as an AP, a Dean, or an AD. If that qualifies as stupidly inefficient then I guess there's a lot of us who are guilty. Well if you have 2 hour practice, hour scripting, setting up and grading practice, thirty minutes laundry/supervision. That’s a modest three and half hours Monday to Thursday. Game day for us even if we let kids leave (we have them stay) would be 5-11. That’s six hours and that brings up Monday to Thursday average. Four hours on Saturday and Sunday each is pretty tame estimate. 4 hours a day in season seems like a tame estimate. I don’t know off season if we are getting to four hours everyday, but with organization, off season lifting, fundraising, learning from reading, clinics, visits, plus throwing, camps, OTAs, etc. I agree with you that even if not to the full 1500 hours a coach can get close without being a “grinder.” Exactly. And in 50 total years of coaching I saw plenty of "grinders" even at the HS level. When I did take "breaks" I would make myself scarce. |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 3:32:53 GMT -6
Your full time job as a teacher is about 150 hours short of 1500 a year. None of you are approaching 1500 coaching. Stop acting like you do.
If you take out weekends, (which I realize most coaches work weekends during the season, but you also don't usually work most holidays, so it equals out) you'd have to work 5 hours and 45 minutes EVERY SINGLE DAY of the rest of the 261 days of the year to equal 1500 hours. No one is doing that. And yes, if you are, you are doing it wrong.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 3:37:21 GMT -6
So you spent 3-4 hours a day, all 7 days of the week, 52 weeks a year doing football coaching related activities? Well...M thru Th during the season I spent 3 hours per day doing football-related activities. On Fridays it was 3 hours. On Saturdays it was at least 2 hours. On Sunday it was at least 2 hours. During the off-season it was 3 hours per day M-F excluding Christmas break but working on football related paperwork (including spring ball). If you count attending clinics, speaking at clinics, on weekends in the off-season add that time to the total. During the summer it was 2 hours per day M-T-W-Th with the weight room, staff meetings, and working football camps. The last week of July was a dead week so I got to see the world. I'm not including the years I spent as a college coach. Just HS. So...yeah, maybe it wasn't completely an hour-to-hour, day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month time frame but damn close! Also, not including the time spent on my other duties as an AP, a Dean, or an AD. If that qualifies as stupidly inefficient then I guess there's a lot of us who are guilty. At most, that's 800 hours a year on football only activities. 19 hours a week in season for say 10 weeks is 190 hours. 15 hours a week off season for say 40 weeks (you said you took Christmas break off) is 600 hours. Idk how many clinics you went to, but if you were on the average staff I was on over my career, I'd be shocked if 10 hours of actual football related work was done at them. 800 is just over half of the 1500 hours this bill is proposing. It's a stupid bill with an hour total no one is approaching coaching football. And if they "are" they aren't doing it coaching football. |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 3:43:57 GMT -6
Well if you have 2 hour practice, hour scripting, setting up and grading practice, thirty minutes laundry/supervision. That’s a modest three and half hours Monday to Thursday. Game day for us even if we let kids leave (we have them stay) would be 5-11. That’s six hours and that brings up Monday to Thursday average. Four hours on Saturday and Sunday each is pretty tame estimate. 4 hours a day in season seems like a tame estimate. That's 280 hours over the course of a 10 week season. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 12, 2024 6:32:22 GMT -6
I got paid 1750.00 to be a varsity DC at a 4A school in Florida....They need to get paid more but don't act like you are putting in 1500 hours a year. Also, consider that your ass gets fired for not winning in GA and TX. I was at places in Florida where it did not matter if you won or lost. I got fired in GA for going 5-5.
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Post by irishdog on Mar 12, 2024 7:26:37 GMT -6
I got paid 1750.00 to be a varsity DC at a 4A school in Florida....They need to get paid more but don't act like you are putting in 1500 hours a year. Also, consider that your ass gets fired for not winning in GA and TX. I was at places in Florida where it did not matter if you won or lost. I got fired in GA for going 5-5. There is no argument that HS football coaches' stipends in Florida are sub-par compared to other states (especially in GA and TX). And there may still be places in FL where it doesn't matter if you win or lose. But I hear the opposite from guys I know in FL who tell me that there are plenty of schools that place a very high bar on winning. But paying a varsity DC only $1750 at a 4A is a travesty, and little wonder why guys are leaving for better situations in surrounding states. |
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Post by lws55 on Mar 12, 2024 7:53:45 GMT -6
This coaching cycle in South Carolina, we have had 2 coaches from Florida (1 HC, 1 DC) hired as Head Coaches in South Carolina and 2 coaches from North Carolina (1 HC, 1 DC) hired as Head Coaches in South Carolina. Both of those states are notorious for not paying their coaches well.
Let them get paid, who cares about the hours if the state is willing to pay them, let them get theirs. Football is the front porch of a school, a good program can do wonders for the attitude and culture of your school. More so than any other sport IMO. Football is the one true melting pot sport that is left in the high school setting.
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Post by mnike23 on Mar 12, 2024 7:55:44 GMT -6
Well, it is Florida. Where 90% of "Hillbilly Headlines" on ESPN Radio's "Marty and McGee" show come from. theres much less "hillbilly" stuff going on in Florida than any where in the country, south of ocala, more northerners than any local or flo-grown people. |
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Post by lws55 on Mar 12, 2024 8:01:29 GMT -6
I personally would love to be able to coach high school football as a living. If I was single then I would coach college, but I love being around my family too much to want to spend all that time on the road recruiting in the off season. Let coaches get paid for what they bring to the school.
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Post by mnike23 on Mar 12, 2024 8:05:14 GMT -6
1500 is alot, be tough to be obtainable for sure. just did the math for us.
may, 20 days of spring ball, plus saturday planning, friday game day,
94 hours
june and july, 7 on 7, plus 4 days a week 7 to 12 workouts, 32 days,
180 hours
fall camp
7 days 3 hours per
21 hours
fall season
11 weeks 4 hrs per day 3 days per week(laundry, practice, planning, meeting)
saturday planning 5 hrs 11 days
gameday 9hrs, 11 days
jv game 6hrs 8 days
329 hours for season
offseason 3 days a week weights, 2 days a week 7 on 7/skills and footwork
22 weeks, 20 a week
440 hours
all told, its under 1100 hours,
im not sure where we could find 400 more hours,
except if there was 1 extra hour per day and maybe 2 on sundays(which i didnt factor in, but I work on sundays during season).
would be tough, not impossible tho.
the hard part of this thing is the assistants.
I have coaches that coach 2 or 3 other sports(be a huge paycheck if they did).
but would be impossible to coach 2 sports and keep the hours requirement(750-1000)
hope it passes!
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Post by mnike23 on Mar 12, 2024 8:12:03 GMT -6
Where is the money supposed to come from? thats the million and millions of dollars question. theres a follow up article by the same guy talking about the representiative said something along the lines of-schools would have to figure it out. that will never, ever fly. teachers already get the extremely short end of the stick in fla, as the 48th paid on avg, now a union guy(right to work state, holds little bearing just a person to vent and complain to be honest) will moan and groan about teachers working after hours and they deserve to get paid the 15$ an hour too. be tough to argue no. sure hope it passes before I retire! be awfully nice to get paid for what we do, finally. |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 8:35:18 GMT -6
theres a follow up article by the same guy talking about the representiative said something along the lines of-schools would have to figure it out. that will never, ever fly. Why not? Illinois passes education bills like this all the time. |
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Post by mnike23 on Mar 12, 2024 8:46:33 GMT -6
theres a follow up article by the same guy talking about the representiative said something along the lines of-schools would have to figure it out. that will never, ever fly. Why not? Illinois passes education bills like this all the time. union state vs imitation union state. teachers in union state will just strike to prove the point, they wont in florida, school districts already struggling to get to 48.5 k a year for teacher min pay, telling school systems to find another 6 to 11 million to pay coaches and not raise teacher pay (veterans got screwed in the 48.5 min pay deal, we got zero raise, but the 1st year guy is within 2k of a 10yr guy). will never pass |
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 8:58:39 GMT -6
Why not? Illinois passes education bills like this all the time. union state vs imitation union state. teachers in union state will just strike to prove the point, they wont in florida, school districts already struggling to get to 48.5 k a year for teacher min pay, telling school systems to find another 6 to 11 million to pay coaches and not raise teacher pay (veterans got screwed in the 48.5 min pay deal, we got zero raise, but the 1st year guy is within 2k of a 10yr guy). will never pass No one in Illinois strikes over the non funded mandates. |
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Post by 60zgo on Mar 12, 2024 9:00:44 GMT -6
Cant count time you watch hudl when kids are doing Ed puzzles and kahoots. Damn... |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 12, 2024 10:13:21 GMT -6
Teacher's don't get paid to work on Sundays to plan their week- Why should you?
I think Florida Coaches get hosed on pay!!!
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Post by hlb2 on Mar 12, 2024 10:26:53 GMT -6
Here's the thing, who is going to pay for it?! Please don't say taxes. No Florida politician is going to cut their own throats for some football coaches by raising taxes on all the snowbirds (retirees). Those folks are retired, they have paid school taxes in their home state and are retiring to FL to get away from that. I'm not saying it's right, but you are asking a politician to commit career suicide to raise taxes. I've seen all the tweets by the FL Coalition of Coaches and while it's all well and good they are doing what they're doing, it's shouting at the mountaintop and expecting said mountaintop to get closer. Ain't. Gonna. Happen. If you want to make a living at it, go to GA. If you want a nice hobby, coach in FL. I've done it for over 20 years, and it's just that, a hobby. The stipends help at Christmas time and are nice, but I'm not banking on them to make my living. Highest I was ever paid was a double stipend to be the head football coach and at that time it was around $3200. Until these guys can figure out where the $$$ will come from, they are pi$$ing up a rope.
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Post by realdawg on Mar 12, 2024 10:55:39 GMT -6
While I believe that 22K is quiet a supplement. I do think a HC deserves a solid 10K supplement, or to be put on a 12 month contract. Asst. coaches. 5K minimum or 11 month contract. I coach in NC. Which is slightly better than Fl in terms of coaching pay. But still light years behind our neighbors in SC. Which is why we lose 2-3 solid coaches to SC every year, the same way Fl. loses them to GA.
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Post by 44special on Mar 12, 2024 11:14:57 GMT -6
i haven't done the math, nor will i.
don't really care about the argument much.
but i will say, i never worked at a school (born, raised, worked as a texan) where we only put in 5 hours a day on saturday and sunday. it was way more. schools and programs i was in ranged from bad to really good. most were fairly similar on weekend work.
for what it's worth, i was usually the dc.
don't know what it adds up to, and i don't care anymore, but 5 is way low.
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