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Post by veerwego on Mar 5, 2024 13:39:47 GMT -6
A few years ago Saban was quoted as saying "The more our game is like the NFL, the better." Wonder if he still feels that way. Rumors and certain interpretations of his post-retirement comments would suggest he did not want to deal with the entitlement level that he was now facing with NIL and transfer portal. But who knows.
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Post by blb on Mar 5, 2024 14:27:04 GMT -6
A few years ago Saban was quoted as saying "The more our game is like the NFL, the better." Wonder if he still feels that way. Rumors and certain interpretations of his post-retirement comments would suggest he did not want to deal with the entitlement level that he was now facing with NIL and transfer portal. But who knows. Same reasons - big-money contracts, Free Agency - he left Dolphins for Bama?
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Post by nhsehs on Mar 5, 2024 14:40:18 GMT -6
A few years ago Saban was quoted as saying "The more our game is like the NFL, the better." Wonder if he still feels that way. I would argue that college football, as it stands currently, is nothing like the NFL. College football has no salary cap, no player acquisition process with enforceable rules, no contracts that provide roster stability and the HC has to fundraise to make payroll. Hence the desire of many college coaches to make the jump to the NFL, regardless of position. With the chaos of college football, free-for-all that is high school football in many places and the shenanigans that youth football can bring, the NFL may be the purest form of football we have right now.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 5, 2024 14:57:18 GMT -6
With the chaos of college football, free-for-all that is high school football in many places and the shenanigans that youth football can bring, the NFL may be the purest form of football we have right now. I made the same decision this January. Isn't that crazy?
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 5, 2024 16:42:06 GMT -6
I don’t know if I would consider roster management the definition of pure football. But it is the level apparently with the most cohesive roster management program.
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Post by nhsehs on Mar 5, 2024 19:07:45 GMT -6
I don’t know if I would consider roster management the definition of pure football. But it is the level apparently with the most cohesive roster management program. One of the purest forms of football is playing with the people you’re supposed to be playing with, and getting those players within the rules. By far that most commonly happens in the NFL compared to the other levels.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 5, 2024 20:10:26 GMT -6
I don’t know if I would consider roster management the definition of pure football. But it is the level apparently with the most cohesive roster management program. One of the purest forms of football is playing with the people you’re supposed to be playing with, and getting those players within the rules. By far that most commonly happens in the NFL compared to the other levels. I am not really sure what "supposed to" means relative to this. Are certain humans ordained to be football players at certain locations? I think one could make an argument that in some ways, college football is pure in this regard, as now athletes can choose to attend say University of Southern Mississippi for their freshman year, transfer to Memphis their Jr. Year, and then pursue graduate work at Florida, just like any other student. Obviously the purity might dwindle a bit if one examines the actual nature of their academic efforts...
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Post by fantom on Mar 5, 2024 20:43:11 GMT -6
I don’t know if I would consider roster management the definition of pure football. But it is the level apparently with the most cohesive roster management program. In the NFL there's a division of labor. GM's and other execs deal with roster management. Coaches coach.
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Post by nhsehs on Mar 5, 2024 20:45:07 GMT -6
One of the purest forms of football is playing with the people you’re supposed to be playing with, and getting those players within the rules. By far that most commonly happens in the NFL compared to the other levels. I am not really sure what "supposed to" means relative to this. Are certain humans ordained to be football players at certain locations? I think one could make an argument that in some ways, college football is pure in this regard, as now athletes can choose to attend say University of Southern Mississippi for their freshman year, transfer to Memphis their Jr. Year, and then pursue graduate work at Florida, just like any other student. Obviously the purity might dwindle a bit if one examines the actual nature of their academic efforts... Players you're "supposed to" have/getting players within the rules: In HS: kids in your attendance zone not kids from all over who were recruited Youth: kids in the vicinity of your area, not kids from different areas/states coming together to form an all-star team College: kids you recruited from HS/portal without using NIL as an inducement NFL: sign/draft players in collectively-bargained periods with everyone generally playing by the same rules
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Post by M4 on Mar 5, 2024 21:16:06 GMT -6
there's no way college football ever dies, all that will happen is instead of 3 divisions there will eventually be 4 or 5, just like how english soccer eventually had the premier league break off for the best teams, there will be division 3, 2 and 1 and premier
more people will still watch premier league college football, some will watch D1 and D1AA (just like how people watching FCS today but not as much) and then fewer will watch D2 and D3 which are basically regionalized / local
people initially won't like it because its different but eventually those people will tune in / buy tickets because people always do...
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Post by silkyice on Mar 5, 2024 21:51:56 GMT -6
there's no way college football ever dies, all that will happen is instead of 3 divisions there will eventually be 4 or 5, just like how english soccer eventually had the premier league break off for the best teams, there will be division 3, 2 and 1 and premier more people will still watch premier league college football, some will watch D1 and D1AA (just like how people watching FCS today but not as much) and then fewer will watch D2 and D3 which are basically regionalized / local people initially won't like it because its different but eventually those people will tune in / buy tickets because people always do... I don't think that anyone is suggesting that it will die. But, as soon as fans think it is more minor league football than it is college football, it won't bring in the same money or have the same enthusiasm. AND as soon as the NFL realizes this and decides to play on SATURDAYS and Sundays... Uh oh
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 6, 2024 5:40:41 GMT -6
there's no way college football ever dies, all that will happen is instead of 3 divisions there will eventually be 4 or 5, just like how english soccer eventually had the premier league break off for the best teams, there will be division 3, 2 and 1 and premier more people will still watch premier league college football, some will watch D1 and D1AA (just like how people watching FCS today but not as much) and then fewer will watch D2 and D3 which are basically regionalized / local people initially won't like it because its different but eventually those people will tune in / buy tickets because people always do... I don't think that anyone is suggesting that it will die. But, as soon as fans think it is more minor league football than it is college football, it won't bring in the same money or have the same enthusiasm. AND as soon as the NFL realizes this and decides to play on SATURDAYS and Sundays... Uh oh The NFL may have to win a court case to play on Saturdays during the college season.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 6, 2024 5:44:57 GMT -6
there's no way college football ever dies, all that will happen is instead of 3 divisions there will eventually be 4 or 5, just like how english soccer eventually had the premier league break off for the best teams, there will be division 3, 2 and 1 and premier more people will still watch premier league college football, some will watch D1 and D1AA (just like how people watching FCS today but not as much) and then fewer will watch D2 and D3 which are basically regionalized / local people initially won't like it because its different but eventually those people will tune in / buy tickets because people always do... But here is the difference- English soccer is a professional sports endeavor. “College” football is not. I believe there will be unintended and unforeseen consequences of 30 schools having a pro sports team affiliated with their university, while other schools dont.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 6, 2024 7:12:51 GMT -6
I don't think that anyone is suggesting that it will die. But, as soon as fans think it is more minor league football than it is college football, it won't bring in the same money or have the same enthusiasm. AND as soon as the NFL realizes this and decides to play on SATURDAYS and Sundays... Uh oh The NFL may have to win a court case to play on Saturdays during the college season. And I think they can win it once college football becomes minor league football and with the current Supreme Court.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 6, 2024 7:24:25 GMT -6
there's no way college football ever dies, all that will happen is instead of 3 divisions there will eventually be 4 or 5, just like how english soccer eventually had the premier league break off for the best teams, there will be division 3, 2 and 1 and premier more people will still watch premier league college football, some will watch D1 and D1AA (just like how people watching FCS today but not as much) and then fewer will watch D2 and D3 which are basically regionalized / local people initially won't like it because its different but eventually those people will tune in / buy tickets because people always do... Just like boxing is still the most popular sport in the country right?
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Post by M4 on Mar 6, 2024 8:27:26 GMT -6
You're right, college football is going to die... highest ratings ever but it's on the way out... 10 years tops
new years day games averaged 4.4 million viewers
rose bowl 27.7m (by comparison the oscars had 18.8m average viewers)
top sports viewership non nfl since 2018
28 bowl games had 1m or more viewers, 19 of them had 2m or more, 11 of them had multi year highs
citrus bowl 6.8 reliaquest 4.6
the historic pop tart bowl 4.3m
the duke may bowl in all its tradition 3.8m
even FCS championship game had 1m viewers on ABC alone competing with NFL games
FCS playoff games averaged 845k viewers on ESPN up 3% from last year
2nd round game between Villanova and SDS had 1.8 million
LOT of people watching college football,
LOT of people watching {censored} bowl games on Wednesday nights in December
the more you show premier games, the more people will watch.
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Post by GuyinOhio on Mar 6, 2024 8:35:13 GMT -6
I do not blame college players from taking NIL deals and that never really bothers me. A lot of this could have been prevented though if tv money contracts and coaches contracts didn't get as high that they are now so that is really who should be blamed IMO.
The moving around of players from one to another though really throws me off though. I understand I can be a little blurry visioned since I coach in an area of small schools where families move back at a high rate and is kind of expected to have kids and bring them through the public schools sports programs. This to me though is what pure sport is about though is the bonding of teammates to better one another to achieve a goal you had as a kid together and really why it attracted a lot of fans to begin with. When you take all of that away people start to lose the interest that drove them to the sport.
Alright I will stop with my old man rant as a 31 year old and realize I am probably way out of touch with the rest of the way people see it.
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Post by veerman on Mar 6, 2024 8:39:03 GMT -6
I think what is major college football will be a minor league football in 5-10 years. What is just below major college football and the FCS will be our college football governed by the NCAA. I think major universities know they no longer have to worry about the NCAA thinks, and will be in the process of making this change within the next 5-10.
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Post by veerman on Mar 6, 2024 8:47:26 GMT -6
I do not blame college players from taking NIL deals and that never really bothers me. A lot of this could have been prevented though if tv money contracts and coaches contracts didn't get as high that they are now so that is really who should be blamed IMO. The moving around of players from one to another though really throws me off though. I understand I can be a little blurry visioned since I coach in an area of small schools where families move back at a high rate and is kind of expected to have kids and bring them through the public schools sports programs. This to me though is what pure sport is about though is the bonding of teammates to better one another to achieve a goal you had as a kid together and really why it attracted a lot of fans to begin with. When you take all of that away people start to lose the interest that drove them to the sport. Alright I will stop with my old man rant as a 31 year old and realize I am probably way out of touch with the rest of the way people see it. I don't blame players taking NIL deals either. My problem was when major college players were screaming that they were broke to the point where they could not even get a pizza at night and was starving cause they couldn't get jobs.... I literally laughed out loud when they would cry about this.
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Post by veerwego on Mar 6, 2024 9:06:16 GMT -6
You're right, college football is going to die... highest ratings ever but it's on the way out... 10 years tops new years day games averaged 4.4 million viewers rose bowl 27.7m (by comparison the oscars had 18.8m average viewers) top sports viewership non nfl since 2018 28 bowl games had 1m or more viewers, 19 of them had 2m or more, 11 of them had multi year highs citrus bowl 6.8 reliaquest 4.6 the historic pop tart bowl 4.3m the duke may bowl in all its tradition 3.8m even FCS championship game had 1m viewers on ABC alone competing with NFL games FCS playoff games averaged 845k viewers on ESPN up 3% from last year 2nd round game between Villanova and SDS had 1.8 million LOT of people watching college football, LOT of people watching {censored} bowl games on Wednesday nights in December the more you show premier games, the more people will watch. You are not wrong, but how much of this is being driven by gambling? I think what we are all saying is that over the next 5-10 years as it morphs into whatever it will become, not college football, how many of your true hard core fans do you trade out for somebody who what watches the last quarter of a MACtion game on Tuesday in November because they still have a chance to win or lose their bet? And is that person going to watch consistently, go to some games/buy season tickets, buy hats and sweatshirts, and donate to the athletic booster club? I believe a lot of these hardcore fans will go away and not be replaced. I completely realize that I am speculating, much of this is from my own dislike of what is happening, and there is a good chance most or all of my speculation will be proven wrong.
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Post by M4 on Mar 6, 2024 9:21:04 GMT -6
Theres a hundred thousand people sitting in multiple stadiums each weekend watching games
you're telling me they will all suddenly stop watching because their team a) gets more better players going to the nfl and b) plays more games against better teams (no more vandy, no more East North West State FCS)?
I find that hard to believe
I think most of this talk is older dudes who don't like it, the old "get off my lawn" approach
for every old guy who says "they do get paid, they get a scholarship" there's young fans saying "why is 'bama playing delaware state in week 9?"
and there's always going to be rich guys willing to pay to make sure their team is hte best
salary cap and free agency didn't kill the NFL, it probably made it better... lot of old dudes thought it was gonna die though when those ideas were floated.
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Post by veerwego on Mar 6, 2024 9:35:41 GMT -6
I used to be one of those people. Not anymore.
I know many other fans who have loved it since HS like me, I'm 47, and are increasingly opting out. I would not have adopted it if my dad and a friend's dad had not taken me to Clemson games growing up and if it had not been a big deal in my community. If you grow up doing something else, you are far less likely to fall in love with it, although I will say I like it way more than my dad did, he was more of a baseball guy but still followed it and watched every chance he got.
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Post by fantom on Mar 6, 2024 9:56:02 GMT -6
Theres a hundred thousand people sitting in multiple stadiums each weekend watching games you're telling me they will all suddenly stop watching because their team a) gets more better players going to the nfl and b) plays more games against better teams (no more vandy, no more East North West State FCS)? I find that hard to believe I think most of this talk is older dudes who don't like it, the old "get off my lawn" approach Maybe they're fans of Vandy.
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Post by veerman on Mar 6, 2024 9:59:36 GMT -6
Theres a hundred thousand people sitting in multiple stadiums each weekend watching games you're telling me they will all suddenly stop watching because their team a) gets more better players going to the nfl and b) plays more games against better teams (no more vandy, no more East North West State FCS)? I find that hard to believe I think most of this talk is older dudes who don't like it, the old "get off my lawn" approach for every old guy who says "they do get paid, they get a scholarship" there's young fans saying "why is 'bama playing delaware state in week 9?" and there's always going to be rich guys willing to pay to make sure their team is hte best salary cap and free agency didn't kill the NFL, it probably made it better... lot of old dudes thought it was gonna die though when those ideas were floated. No people won't quit watching..what some of us are saying is that the game/league will be changing. It won't be college football per sey, maybe a type of minor league. People will still watch, just will be called something different. The "Rich Guys" will figure out they are the ones in charge now, and can make up their own rules, and will become minor league owners maybe.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 6, 2024 10:45:01 GMT -6
Theres a hundred thousand people sitting in multiple stadiums each weekend watching games you're telling me they will all suddenly stop watching because their team a) gets more better players going to the nfl and b) plays more games against better teams (no more vandy, no more East North West State FCS)? I find that hard to believe I think most of this talk is older dudes who don't like it, the old "get off my lawn" approach for every old guy who says "they do get paid, they get a scholarship" there's young fans saying "why is 'bama playing delaware state in week 9?" and there's always going to be rich guys willing to pay to make sure their team is hte best salary cap and free agency didn't kill the NFL, it probably made it better... lot of old dudes thought it was gonna die though when those ideas were floated. I do think/worry I am being the grumpy old man here and have said so previously. My number one point is that when people start to view this as minor league or G league instead of college football, things will change. I don't think people are there right now, but I think they very well could in 5-10 years. And if the NFL somehow gets to broadcast on Saturdays, it will never recover. As I stated previously, the new 12 team playoff could not have come at a better time.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 6, 2024 10:47:15 GMT -6
Football is dying from the ground up. Boxing died out and baseball has been dying because societal values change among generations. Increasingly, more and more kids could give two craps about football. It may not die in my lifetime, but eventually football will not be the #1 sport in America.
The country is changing, and our tastes in sports will change with it.
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Post by M4 on Mar 6, 2024 11:06:16 GMT -6
Football is dying from the ground up. Boxing died out and baseball has been dying because societal values change among generations. Increasingly, more and more kids could give two craps about football. It may not die in my lifetime, but eventually football will not be the #1 sport in America. The country is changing, and our tastes in sports will change with it. The television numbers don't support that but... I guess only time will tell.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 6, 2024 11:13:41 GMT -6
Theres a hundred thousand people sitting in multiple stadiums each weekend watching games you're telling me they will all suddenly stop watching because their team a) gets more better players going to the nfl and b) plays more games against better teams (no more vandy, no more East North West State FCS)? I find that hard to believe I think most of this talk is older dudes who don't like it, the old "get off my lawn" approach for every old guy who says "they do get paid, they get a scholarship" there's young fans saying "why is 'bama playing delaware state in week 9?" and there's always going to be rich guys willing to pay to make sure their team is hte best salary cap and free agency didn't kill the NFL, it probably made it better... lot of old dudes thought it was gonna die though when those ideas were floated. No people won't quit watching..what some of us are saying is that the game/league will be changing. It won't be college football per sey, maybe a type of minor league. People will still watch, just will be called something different. The "Rich Guys" will figure out they are the ones in charge now, and can make up their own rules, and will become minor league owners maybe. When or if schools stop being on the names of the jerseys, many casual fans will be gone. I imagine enough to affect the numbers in a meaningful way. My wife watches most Purdue basketball and football games because she is an alum. If teams are no longer associated with schools, those views will dwindle. I think that saves college football. I agree the rich guys will figure it out. There's too much money for it to die. It's like the two party system. It sucks but it will protect itself.
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Post by blb on Mar 6, 2024 11:22:56 GMT -6
College Basketball has been dealing with "One and Done" for years, now NIL and transfer portal, and people are still watching, especially the Big Dance.
I'll keep watching CFB just like NFL. Why? Players come, players go. Always have, always will.
I don't pay any attention to recruiting, transfers, free agents, etc.
I root for the team-jersey (am not a gambler or fantasy player).
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Post by veerman on Mar 6, 2024 11:23:11 GMT -6
No people won't quit watching..what some of us are saying is that the game/league will be changing. It won't be college football per sey, maybe a type of minor league. People will still watch, just will be called something different. The "Rich Guys" will figure out they are the ones in charge now, and can make up their own rules, and will become minor league owners maybe. When or if schools stop being on the names of the jerseys, many casual fans will be gone. I imagine enough to affect the numbers in a meaningful way. My wife watches most Purdue basketball and football games because she is an alum. If teams are no longer associated with schools, those views will dwindle. I think that saves college football. I agree the rich guys will figure it out. There's too much money for it to die. It's like the two party system. It sucks but it will protect itself. No, there still will be college teams, but there is a possibility that it will be more of the FCS calliaber players at the Purdue's. While the top tier players go straight into minors (just like baseball is now type). I don't think college football will die, just what we think of when we think college football will change.
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