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Post by hlb2 on Jan 27, 2024 7:42:43 GMT -6
In my experience, you got to start with their coaches. It's amazing to me how many basketball coaches still active like lifting weights will "mess up their shot". We had this for a LONG time here. When I first came here, all sport coaches met and I showed them what I was planning with weights class. Eventually, evrerybody was on board. Surprisingly, hockey had the most resistence, butn they came around. At one point we had about 80% of our student population in weights classes. Now we are around 35%. With the exception of boys basketball and possibly softball (we'll see this year), we are all quite a bit down from before. I know I had a lot of current seniors and juniors in other sports drop weights this year. The new coaches don't push it, and the excuse from the kids is there are "too many expectations" (like dress out, get a workout in... and my favorite "it's always my lowest grade" or "I always have to dress out even when I am dressed up"). Every other sport has all new coaches since that meeting in 2012... some are on board (basketball for the most part, track) some are to a point (baseball, hockey, wrestling), but not like it was. I've said many times we need another meeting to discuss our vision as an ATHLETIC program... (I noticed it some at the midway point of last year... but it wasn't as critical in my mind because in football we were still good. I was a little short sighted... I should've seen this coming, but I do see it now). IF I stay here I will initiate one this spring... but I'm not sure how many coaches will even show up if it isn't reenforced by our administration (and I am no longer in admin... haven't been an AD since my last job 12 years ago). The biggest thing is those other coaches don't have to have it to be successful. Football, HAS to have it. Number one it's injury prevention first and foremost. That's how I'd sell it to any AD. The weight room can help reduce and prevent sport-specific injuries by strengthening the muscles around the joints being impacted by whatever sport is being played. The other thing is those coaches don't want to put in any more time than they already do to do something they, themselves, probably do not like. That's why I think as an AD you have to make it a total athletic department thing. Athletes lift or they don't play. Then figure out how you're going to institute it. Either doing it in school with weight training classes or after school by sport etc. I'm not a weightlifter by any stretch of the imagination, but I realize it's importance. I hate the dog days of summer in the weight room, but you gotta do it if you want to be somewhat successful. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2024 8:39:52 GMT -6
I've only ever met 1 basketball coach in my life that knew anything about lifting, or had any desire for his kids to do it. Unfortunately, he was super CrossFit focused and everything was about getting a cardio type workout in. Which is better than the nothing that any other coach I was around knew, but it wasn't real conducive to producing power and size gains. Particularly for your line type kids.
He's a very good basketball coach and is now flourishing at a school that doesn't have football. It was frustrating for me because one of the main reasons I took that job was they had weightlifting PE, but I still had to have after school PE because they weren't getting any stronger.
My son has a weights teacher right now (who is the head basketball coach) who tells him that to do power cleans you have to pause between the lifting it off the ground and the snapping it up phase. You can look at the guy and tell he's never touched a weight in his life. But, he has that mythical PE major and teaching certification so that obviously makes him an expert.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 27, 2024 9:05:44 GMT -6
I've only ever met 1 basketball coach in my life that knew anything about lifting, or had any desire for his kids to do it. Unfortunately, he was super CrossFit focused and everything was about getting a cardio type workout in. Which is better than the nothing that any other coach I was around knew, but it wasn't real conducive to producing power and size gains. Particularly for your line type kids. He's a very good basketball coach and is now flourishing at a school that doesn't have football. It was frustrating for me because one of the main reasons I took that job was they had weightlifting PE, but I still had to have after school PE because they weren't getting any stronger. My son has a weights teacher right now (who is the head basketball coach) who tells him that to do power cleans you have to pause between the lifting it off the ground and the snapping it up phase. You can look at the guy and tell he's never touched a weight in his life. But, he has that mythical PE major and teaching certification so that obviously makes him an expert. Pause cleans are quite common in training Olympic lifts, as they build strength in the “position” (meaning holding your body in the correct position to deliver the bar to the hips). To be honest, it is probably a fairly decent idea for younger lifters who tend to try and use the momentum from picking the bar off the ground as opposed to the glute contraction/ hip snap to move the bar. It could also be a misunderstanding of a hang clean. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2024 9:48:45 GMT -6
I've only ever met 1 basketball coach in my life that knew anything about lifting, or had any desire for his kids to do it. Unfortunately, he was super CrossFit focused and everything was about getting a cardio type workout in. Which is better than the nothing that any other coach I was around knew, but it wasn't real conducive to producing power and size gains. Particularly for your line type kids. He's a very good basketball coach and is now flourishing at a school that doesn't have football. It was frustrating for me because one of the main reasons I took that job was they had weightlifting PE, but I still had to have after school PE because they weren't getting any stronger. My son has a weights teacher right now (who is the head basketball coach) who tells him that to do power cleans you have to pause between the lifting it off the ground and the snapping it up phase. You can look at the guy and tell he's never touched a weight in his life. But, he has that mythical PE major and teaching certification so that obviously makes him an expert. Pause cleans are quite common in training Olympic lifts, as they build strength in the “position” (meaning holding your body in the correct position to deliver the bar to the hips). To be honest, it is probably a fairly decent idea for younger lifters who tend to try and use the momentum from picking the bar off the ground as opposed to the glute contraction/ hip snap to move the bar. It could also be a misunderstanding of a hang clean. Except that's not what he's doing, but thanks for coming back to mansplain lifting to me. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 27, 2024 12:36:15 GMT -6
My son has a weights teacher right now (who is the head basketball coach) who tells him that to do power cleans you have to pause between the lifting it off the ground and the snapping it up phase. This would be the definition of a pause clean. Why would anyone reading this sentence think otherwise? |
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 27, 2024 14:06:40 GMT -6
The worst teams in our state every year are 10 personnel spread teams that go 0-10... very rarely do teams running those run systems perform that poor
Parents are stupid
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Post by irishdog on Jan 27, 2024 15:04:57 GMT -6
How about a district/school/department mandate for all "team sports" athletes to be in a department strength training program run by Strength coaches (1 male and 1 female)? Designed for in-season and off-season. Held in the AM for those who practice in the PM, and in the PM for those who practice in the AM. The coaches paid seasonal stipends (Fall, Winter, Spring, Summer) OR, full-time certified PE or Science teachers in the HS or the MS who have certifications in strength training. Make it a graded class 2x per week on the days the athletes do not have scheduled games. The AD provides the strength coaches a composite team games/practices schedule to schedule the class accordingly. The HC's and athletes receive the class schedule from the strength coaches.
As a former AD I think it would help all the athletes in traditional "team sports" like football, volleyball, basketball, hockey, baseball, softball, lacrosse). However it would not eliminate or discriminate against athletes in more traditional individual sports if they chose to be enrolled.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2024 15:32:16 GMT -6
My son has a weights teacher right now (who is the head basketball coach) who tells him that to do power cleans you have to pause between the lifting it off the ground and the snapping it up phase. This would be the definition of a pause clean. Why would anyone reading this sentence think otherwise? Except they aren't doing pause cleans. They were maxing out on power cleans and his teacher tried to tell him he was doing them wrong. Stop digging. This isn't an argument you can win. You don't know the teacher, you don't know the circumstances, you don't know anything about it. But that sure hasn't stopped you from giving your two cents worth. You obviously know more about the situation than I do. Hell, you obviously know more about lifting than all of us. See the little delta thread. You know a lot about powerlifting too. See your way out. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 27, 2024 15:45:04 GMT -6
This would be the definition of a pause clean. Why would anyone reading this sentence think otherwise? Except they aren't doing pause cleans. They were maxing out on power cleans and his teacher tried to tell him he was doing them wrong. Stop digging. This isn't an argument you can win. You don't know the teacher, you don't know the circumstances, you don't know anything about it. But that sure hasn't stopped you from giving your two cents worth. You obviously know more about the situation than I do. Hell, you obviously know more about lifting than all of us. See the little delta thread. You know a lot about powerlifting too. See your way out. No.. all we knew was what you typed-- which were not the circumstances. You simply stated that his coach was instructing them to do something that based on your words is a pause clean. Then you get butt hurt when someone (me) pointed that out, as if everyone should have just assumed since you posted it that the other guy was somehow stupid or doing it wrong. Not trying to argue anything. |
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jan 27, 2024 15:49:29 GMT -6
How about a district/school/department mandate for all "team sports" athletes to be in a department strength training program run by Strength coaches (1 male and 1 female)? Designed for in-season and off-season. Held in the AM for those who practice in the PM, and in the PM for those who practice in the AM. The coaches paid seasonal stipends (Fall, Winter, Spring, Summer) OR, full-time certified PE or Science teachers in the HS or the MS who have certifications in strength training. Make it a graded class 2x per week on the days the athletes do not have scheduled games. The AD provides the strength coaches a composite team games/practices schedule to schedule the class accordingly. The HC's and athletes receive the class schedule from the strength coaches. As a former AD I think it would help all the athletes in traditional "team sports" like football, volleyball, basketball, hockey, baseball, softball, lacrosse). However it would not eliminate or discriminate against athletes in more traditional individual sports if they chose to be enrolled. This is more or less what we have. We are lucky as our situation is kind of a rarity for a school our size in our state.
I run the entire strength program (which I've been doing for about 25 years now).
We have both boys and girls (at one time we had a girls only class) in weights. We have 4 periods of "Advanced Weights" throughout the day. We used to have 5, but since I had to take on 9th grade PE when a teacher left at the end of last year, we reduced it to 4, took out the freshmen and now all freshmen have 2 days of weights, 1 day of a gym activity and 2 days of health each week.
I don't know if you can really "mandate" it from an administrative standpoint since it is an elective. Freshman PE is a graduation requirement, so I can mandate they lift. Coaches can certainly "strongly suggest", but that's about it.
All of our football players are in weights. Of those who don't play football- most of the (guys) basketball players and wrestlers and track athletes (maybe not a few distance runners) are in weights. We don't have any of the 5 or 6 guys who just play baseball (using the term "play" loosely). I couldn't tell you who is in golf or trap shooting, so I have no idea about them (probably not many).
Girls have had a huge drop off in the last year or so. I have no problem working with them... but I am not really bothered by the drop off either, because I am tired of their whining and laziness. The girls who are in weights now generally work pretty hard.
We just had a lot of coaching turnover with the girls (our principal is the girls BB coach... he agreed to do it when we "couldn't find" * anyone else), so we will see what evolves from that.
(* couldn't find = we had 3 teachers leave last year who between them coached 4 sports - 2 HC 2 AC. We replaced them with teachers who don't coach anything.)
Here is where the lack of a strong push for weights by other sports has an impact: For years we had the "I'm not playing football" guys take weights for basketball, hockey, baseball, etc. After being in class, being around the football guys, getting stronger and more confident- many of them would decide to come out for football. That was my best recruiting angle- just get in the weight room and I will work with you and you will be a better athlete.
We probably picked up 4-5 really good players that way in and a few others who were solid players. We have less of those kids in now, and while we didn't get a ton of kids that way, even 1 or 2 who could play a little would help us immensely right now.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 27, 2024 16:58:17 GMT -6
The situation that senatorblutarsky is facing isn't just happening to him and his program...it is happening in some shape or form in nearly every section of our country. I have been studying this problem for the last 2 years. Trying to figure out why this happens in some schools, and not in others. I may be wrong, but in many instances there seems to be one or more missing links in Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Needs...two of the big ones are: a genuine sense of "Connection"...and "Self-Confidence/Self-Efficacy" And both of these things are being effected by social media and devices, which leads me to hypothesis that yes, "these kids are different" Regarding rebranding, one thing coaches may have to recognize is that yes, FUN is a factor. While we as middle (or more experienced than middle) aged coaches may feel that associating schemes with fun is silly- it 100% is a thing for some. I guess one has to ask themselves, are you in it to coach kids or to coach the _______ (dbl wing, sbv, flexbone, singlewing, west coast offense, airraid etc) Something I have been wrestling with internally. |
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Post by veerman on Jan 27, 2024 18:01:42 GMT -6
I think the transition is slowly going to players wanting something more than success, or “fun”. They want “things” …College players have done made it Very Clear, they are playing to get paid!, not to play football. Football is just their means of getting “things” that they want. HS players want to get paid just for them appear on a college campus…Most of high school programs don’t have to deal with this head on, but some do, and players hear stories about what top HS players get. You can make up any excuse you want so things don’t sound like they are that greedy, but it’s the sad truth.
That’s why I suggested getting players gear for playing. And not just shorts/tees, sweats…. Might have to get them backpacks, jackets, personalized anything with “brand” on them.
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Post by sweep26 on Jan 27, 2024 23:15:02 GMT -6
The situation that senatorblutarsky is facing isn't just happening to him and his program...it is happening in some shape or form in nearly every section of our country. I have been studying this problem for the last 2 years. Trying to figure out why this happens in some schools, and not in others. I may be wrong, but in many instances there seems to be one or more missing links in Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Needs...two of the big ones are: a genuine sense of "Connection"...and "Self-Confidence/Self-Efficacy" And both of these things are being effected by social media and devices, which leads me to hypothesis that yes, "these kids are different" Regarding rebranding, one thing coaches may have to recognize is that yes, FUN is a factor. While we as middle (or more experienced than middle) aged coaches may feel that associating schemes with fun is silly- it 100% is a thing for some. I guess one has to ask themselves, are you in it to coach kids or to coach the _______ (dbl wing, sbv, flexbone, singlewing, west coast offense, airraid etc) Something I have been wrestling with internally. We are talking about high school football right?? I coached in one community for 14 years, we were ranked in the State's top ten in each of those years...we had great kids ( only 1 was a walk-on at a D-I school, 6 were D-III recruits, and one was a JC recruit). Not great players, but great kids, from great homes...very church oriented community where the adults were always ready to go anywhere to assist in tornado clean-ups, etc. It was a rural community, the kids grew up working, either on their family farm or on other local farms that needed help. Most of the town kids would go work on farms with their friends Those kids learned the importance of doing things the right way...and they valued team work. The Culture was magnificent. In football they understood that their role was important and they valued their role because they knew that the teams success depended on everyone. We did not use the same schemes every year...we adjusted our schemes yearly based on the physical talents that were available. I know, I was very fortunate being in that community. But my point is, we did not have that success every year because of any particular system...it was primarily because of the Culture. Personally, I do not believe that "re-branding" your schemes is the answer. I believe that if we can figure out how to get the kids to trust us, and feel connected socially with their teammates, and establish some shared beliefs and values, it would be a great start. |
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Post by jg78 on Jan 28, 2024 5:10:45 GMT -6
I coached from 2002-2021. Offenses changed a lot throughout my career. One of the reasons I got out of it is I don't really like the general style of play anymore. I like coaching and watching run-oriented, under center offenses in 21/22 personnel. And yes, I do believe it is harder to sell that nowadays to kids, parents, and the community in general than it used to be.
On the flipside, I do believe that if you have buy in that there's never been a better time to run offenses like the Wing-T, etc. Teams don't see it much - and don't want to see it.
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Post by 44special on Jan 28, 2024 6:59:24 GMT -6
i always coached in smaller schools in texas, usually AAA (this was before there was a 6A division; it was 1A thru 5A)-
in the last 10-15 years i coached (i got out in 2013, i think), we had an athetic period during the school day. if you played fb, basketball, baseball, track then you were in the athletic period. everybody in the athletic period went through the strength and conditioning program during the period.
obviously, this could differ during the season (example- basketball with 2 games a week and sometimes more because of tournaments). on game day, you went with your sport coach to do whatever your normal game day activities were. at that level, most of your bb/baseball/track kids were fb players anyway. some of the few that weren't didn't particularly like that they had to be in the athletic period.
i don't know how the 5A level did things. in the smaller schools with most players being multi-sport, it's about the only way you can do things and be successful.
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Post by 44special on Jan 28, 2024 7:06:37 GMT -6
I coached from 2002-2021. Offenses changed a lot throughout my career. One of the reasons I got out of it is I don't really like the general style of play anymore. I like coaching and watching run-oriented, under center offenses in 21/22 personnel. And yes, I do believe it is harder to sell that nowadays to kids, parents, and the community in general than it used to be. On the flipside, I do believe that if you have buy in that there's never been a better time to run offenses like the Wing-T, etc. Teams don't see it much - and don't want to see it. i thought i was the only one. and i agree its a good time to go back to those offenses. a lot of defenses simply aren't designed to handle those, and they aren't comfortable with the adjustments they have to make. haven't been to a game in quite a while, but i hear several of the teams in this area, 4A (used to be 3A before they added 6A) thru 6A, have gone back to older style offenses, with some of them running option schemes. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 28, 2024 9:12:20 GMT -6
We are talking about high school football right?? I coached in one community for 14 years, we were ranked in the State's top ten in each of those years...we had great kids ( only 1 was a walk-on at a D-I school, 6 were D-III recruits, and one was a JC recruit). Not great players, but great kids, from great homes...very church oriented community where the adults were always ready to go anywhere to assist in tornado clean-ups, etc. It was a rural community, the kids grew up working, either on their family farm or on other local farms that needed help. Most of the town kids would go work on farms with their friends Those kids learned the importance of doing things the right way...and they valued team work. The Culture was magnificent. In football they understood that their role was important and they valued their role because they knew that the teams success depended on everyone. We did not use the same schemes every year...we adjusted our schemes yearly based on the physical talents that were available. I know, I was very fortunate being in that community. But my point is, we did not have that success every year because of any particular system...it was primarily because of the Culture. Personally, I do not believe that "re-branding" your schemes is the answer. I believe that if we can figure out how to get the kids to trust us, and feel connected socially with their teammates, and establish some shared beliefs and values, it would be a great start. Yes HS. As a data point, a poster above (believe it was JG78) posted that a factor in his leaving coaching was that he “wanted to coach in a run oriented offense”. I am simply wondering a player’s desire to play in a certain offense is often considered less valid. I am not suggesting that it is a good idea to have the players decide what to do- I am simply saying that it seems reasonable that if kids don’t find the blocking aspect of football enjoyable or attractive- they probably shouldn’t play. The dilemma is, that seems to be a growing opinion among high school kids in places. |
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Post by irishdog on Jan 28, 2024 9:52:49 GMT -6
All of the comments in this thread are valid, and true. "Re=branding" has as much to do with building, or re-building, or developing a CULTURE of success as much as it has to do with creating field systems. We have to face the fact that much has changed over the years. Society in general, (especially the technology piece), families, education, the game itself, and of course the youngsters we serve who have been affected by all of it have changed. IE: Frankly, coaches in the larger cities face many challenges that are not the same as coaches who work in rural towns, and vice-versa. It is why I mentioned in a previous post (maybe a different thread?) that a coach today must first KNOW his/her own expectations, and do their homework (EVALUATIONS) of the job they are interested in, and EVALUATIONS of the job when accepted in order to formulate that "Brand."
I don't envy you young guys trying to break into coaching at this present time. When I did 50 years ago we didn't have HALF the issues to deal with that you do, and MUST be dealt with today. Sure, we had some of the same issues, but not nearly as many, and we dealt with them in a much different way. Kids basically are not much different, but TIMES have changed, and those changes have effected change in the kids.
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Post by 44special on Jan 28, 2024 11:06:25 GMT -6
to clarify -
i didn't get out of coaching because of the style of play, although i really didn't like the direction it went.
i got out because it was time.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jan 28, 2024 11:20:03 GMT -6
And both of these things are being effected by social media and devices, which leads me to hypothesis that yes, "these kids are different" Regarding rebranding, one thing coaches may have to recognize is that yes, FUN is a factor. While we as middle (or more experienced than middle) aged coaches may feel that associating schemes with fun is silly- it 100% is a thing for some. I guess one has to ask themselves, are you in it to coach kids or to coach the _______ (dbl wing, sbv, flexbone, singlewing, west coast offense, airraid etc) Something I have been wrestling with internally. (Warning- Long Rambling Digression Ahead)
Good point. I hate being the old guy who goes on about “kids now-a-days”, etc… But kids are different…. or the times are different. Either way, DEALING WITH KIDS is completely different than it was even a few years ago. In comparing the generations (and not including large events like the depression, world wars, the civil rights movement, etc.)- My grandparents and parents had things a little different, but really it went from maybe having a car in the 20s-30s for the family to possibly having a second used car in the 50s (for a family of 5). They went from limited radio shows to limited TV shows; both had the occasional movie (eventually with sound). Gaming was done at the county fair or maybe an amusement park (ring the bell, win a prize!). It was a little different from my parents in the 50s to those of us in the 70s/80s, we had better (maybe?) cars… maybe a 3rd car for a family of 5. We had more TV… cable TV came in for us when I was about in 8th or 9th grade. Movies were in color. Gaming included a few basic home systems (pong, etc.) and arcades sprang up. From the 80s to 00s things began to change. Cell phones (were still just a phone), and computers (internet just starting)… but most of those things were in infancy… you still had to go to the library to research something. Kids had more stuff, but as parents/teachers/coaches we all had relevant experiences. In the 2020s- phones have everything- games, videos, movies… Information (good and bad) is easily available. AI can write your term paper. You have endless entertainment at your fingertips… have “influencers” not authors or scholars giving out information (look at the “You’re Doing it Wrong” thread in the Strength & Conditioning section). Kids now are submerged in the ideas and influences of someone else. To be creative now, you really have to work at it- often times, we had to be creative by necessity. The problem for most of us is that for in the 154 years from the start of football, the line of change from generation to generation gradually went up but it was way more horizontal. In the last 10 (give or take a few years, depending on where you live) the line or change is damn near completely vertical. The stuff we learned from our parents and coaches sometimes doesn’t apply because the stuff we deal with now didn’t exist in any form when we were growing up. There are kids who want success and are willing to work, there are kids who want to compete… but I agree with veerman; overall those things with intrinsic value don’t mean as much to as many kids. I’ve known for years that the kids don’t care about this game even close to as much as I do. I’m fine with that. But it seems like they many don’t like it at all anymore (though they all have fantasy leagues), and that bothers me a bit. And if I am honest about the question am in in to coach the kids or the scheme? Both. When I started, I will admit it was “scheme”. Football is a violent chess game I have always liked. I liked the violent part as a player, and the chess part as a coach. About 12 years in to my career (when former players were getting in to their 30s), I realized some real success stories of kids who came through our programs. I told this story on here a while ago, but a former player was telling me about how well a teammate was doing in adult life (who had a real rough time in HS) He said that I “saved his life”, and while I thought that was overblown… I know football did a lot to save that kid. Even last year, we had a kid in a very similar situation. I am elated that he accepted a great offer from a small school. He redshirted (played a little) and is doing well in school. When he graduates, he will have a very good start on his life- something he wouldn’t have if he didn’t let football take him out of where he was. But I still like the scheme part… drawing up ideas (good and bad), watching film… and talking out things with other coaches. I will agree that for some of our kids, what is “fun” has changed. I have lived by the “winning is fun” mantra. Not all our kids buy that anymore... Back to the reason I started this- much of what is going on is beyond my control. But all of it is not- and I am just looking for answers. Scheme? Swag? Screw it- retire? I know we are not in any special situation here. Like sweep26 said, this is happening all over. I know in Nebraska (where I spent many years) they are having issues. From what I have seen I would guess that every year 5-6 teams forfeit games/seasons. I don’t know if there are many Montana guys on here- but I think a few years ago one of the Missoula schools (1000 or so students) didn’t get many out, forfeited several games and either didn’t play or considered not playing the following season. And like I said, here we’ve had 2-3 what I would call “healthy student populations” forfeit entire seasons. In reflecting back on the scheme/player question… I think I have a better answer to “Why am I in it?” “The Game”. All of it. Every single piece and part I enjoy from the scheming, preparation, guiding, molding, helping, critiquing… Maybe like that player I mentioned, football may have “saved my life”… or it has at least enhanced it substantially. And I don’t want to see these opportunities eventually become unavailable to someone who might need them just as much. Football is healthy in some places, but it is dying, or at least very sick in others. All I am trying to do right now is find out what we need to do to revive it- and I will agree that “scheme” is often overblown. It just seemed a good place to start to get the ball rolling. And the ball is rolling on this one… a lot of good discussion came about from this, which I appreciate. One thing that irishdog said “I don't envy you young guys trying to break into coaching at this present time.” I agree 100%... for my old self. But maybe these young guys who grew up with all this “added stuff” are far better equipped to deal with the modern HS athlete. I have a former player (graduated in 2014) who took his team to the state championship game this past fall. In every interview he always says that he learned from me. Maybe it is time I try to learn something from him. |
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Post by irishdog on Jan 28, 2024 11:39:52 GMT -6
Senator makes a good point about the "OG's" still in the profession learning something from the young guys. At the same time the younger guys will also benefit from learning something from those same "OG"s. I would add when I was in I also learned a lot from my players.
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Post by bignose on Jan 28, 2024 11:52:53 GMT -6
I love rebranding!
I see so many teams who have converted to Spread Offenses that do not match their talent base, and I look forward to playing them!
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Post by cwaltsmith on Jan 29, 2024 10:22:02 GMT -6
I have been very involved in the youth league of baseball basketball and football over the last 20 years... I have seen this in my area as well... Our youth football is made up of mainly lower income or broken homes... Not 100% but high %... Richer families tend to navigate toward baseball and basketball. I personally believe it coincides with the softening of America lol but I digress... I agree with others you have a whole set of problems. Scheme may be their excuse but I feel its deeper or more than that. I would venture that it is the travel ball component of those sports that lead to the upper income families being the majority of those sport's players. But what is funny, the amount of money that parents pay for travel baseball from 8 YO up to HS, if saved and invested would more than cover any 1/12 - 1/8 scholly their kid MIGHT earn. Heck put that money into tutoring and SAT prep would probably get you more money. But hey, it's their money. yes travel baseball and basketball are the causes of this IMHO as well |
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Post by center on Jan 31, 2024 10:12:30 GMT -6
I would not consider a rebrand to "get the skill kids out."
I would consider a rebrand to appear more modern to get a little more buy in. So that maybe your kids aren't inundated with parents and community members constantly talking about the dinosaur offense.
And the rebrand might be running the same offense out a different formation or direct snap. Because that offense is probably what you know best.
Also, the team that set the new single season scoring record in Illinois this year was a wing-t team from a local school that ran literally 99% of the time.
So now parents and admin in the area are asking "why don't you run the wing-T?"
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