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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 17, 2023 7:33:38 GMT -6
I think parties involved would be more accepting of the hours put in, if they didnt start so early. Summers should allow for more sleeping in. There is big time school down the road from us that goes m-f 6:00am to 10:00am. Gotta be waking up darn near 4:45 all summer long just to get there on time?! I don't think I would change my opinion on the craziness that is teams practicing for weeks before practicing for weeks before a game, but I agree and I do think that the early morning adds to the "come on man" factor. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 17, 2023 7:46:24 GMT -6
I think parties involved would be more accepting of the hours put in, if they didnt start so early. Summers should allow for more sleeping in. There is big time school down the road from us that goes m-f 6:00am to 10:00am. Gotta be waking up darn near 4:45 all summer long just to get there on time?! Nope. Doesn't matter what time of day it is. 4 hours is stupid. |
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Post by NC1974 on Jun 17, 2023 9:53:57 GMT -6
Where I am, a lot has changed in 20 yrs. In 2003 we had:
3 weeks skills camp, no pads, M-TH roughly 7:30 - 9:30
3 weeks strength and conditioning, M-TH roughly 7:30 - 9:30
Now in 2023 (and I guess for like the last 10-12 yrs)
6 weeks of combined S&C and basically football practice, M-TH, 6:30 - 10:00
Pros:
-We get a ton of teaching and reps in throughout the summer
Cons:
-I personally think it wears the kids (and coaches) down. By the time we're in week two in August, it can kind of feel like like we're in week 10.
-More opportunity for injuries due to more cumulative contact
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 17, 2023 10:23:37 GMT -6
The ironic thing, IMO, is that despite hours and hours more of football specific activities in the summer, fundamentals are far worse than ever before.
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Post by CS on Jun 17, 2023 10:33:32 GMT -6
The ironic thing, IMO, is that despite hours and hours more of football specific activities in the summer, fundamentals are far worse than ever before. I feel like it’s the era of scheme over substance. I know scheme over fundamentals have always been a problem but with social media there are so many scheme whores out there with a ton of people peddling the next big thing for money. Also you have people posting a ton of obscure drills they do with no context. A lot of guys can’t put a coherent scheme together with drills to actually get the kids better at the tasks they will have to do within the scheme So they throw all these “cool” drills together that have no substance and no real application within the scheme that is being ran. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 17, 2023 10:48:02 GMT -6
The ironic thing, IMO, is that despite hours and hours more of football specific activities in the summer, fundamentals are far worse than ever before. I feel like it’s the era of scheme over substance. I know scheme over fundamentals have always been a problem but with social media there are so many scheme whores out there with a ton of people peddling the next big thing for money. Also you have people posting a ton of obscure drills they do with no context. A lot of guys can’t put a coherent scheme together with drills to actually get the kids better at the tasks they will have to do within the scheme So they throw all these “cool” drills together that have no substance and no real application within the scheme that is being ran. I will also say that as a former OL/DL player and coach, the absolute neglect of those positions, along with the horrible tackling, makes football unwatchable in this era of spread chuck it. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 17, 2023 11:29:36 GMT -6
I think parties involved would be more accepting of the hours put in, if they didnt start so early. Summers should allow for more sleeping in. There is big time school down the road from us that goes m-f 6:00am to 10:00am. Gotta be waking up darn near 4:45 all summer long just to get there on time?! I know a lot of southern school do it early to avoid the heat/PM thunder storms. Also rural areas do it so the kids can do farm work. Also, in areas where baseball is big, so the kids can go PM practice/games. American Legion ball used to be big and they used to play almost as often as MLB during the summer months. And there's also the rationale with day light savings time, you have a lot of day left to do other stuff......... what the heck am I talking about, there is no other stuff to do besides football!!! |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 17, 2023 11:45:30 GMT -6
Our last day of the week we go early in the morning. Sucks getting up that early on Thursday morning but kids are done by about 9:00 Thursday morning and off until Monday afternoon so there's some upside for them.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jun 17, 2023 17:10:25 GMT -6
I agree that a four hour summer session is ridiculous regardless of time of day. I will say based on my experience players and families prefer the mornings as it's easier for work schedules plus high school baseball is a summer sport in Iowa.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 18, 2023 7:54:30 GMT -6
The ironic thing, IMO, is that despite hours and hours more of football specific activities in the summer, fundamentals are far worse than ever before. I feel like it’s the era of scheme over substance. I know scheme over fundamentals have always been a problem but with social media there are so many scheme whores out there with a ton of people peddling the next big thing for money. Also you have people posting a ton of obscure drills they do with no context. A lot of guys can’t put a coherent scheme together with drills to actually get the kids better at the tasks they will have to do within the scheme So they throw all these “cool” drills together that have no substance and no real application within the scheme that is being ran. Said about the same thing in another scheme. Or you get these new age Bro Coaches who are like "We let the guys figure out what's best for them and let them do it that way so they can self monitor and self correct and problem solve and create a way of doing their own thing blah blah blah" |
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Post by tripsclosed on Jun 18, 2023 9:45:45 GMT -6
Or you get these new age Bro Coaches who are like "We let the guys figure out what's best for them and let them do it that way so they can self monitor and self correct and problem solve and create a way of doing their own thing blah blah blah" aka "I can't be bothered to learn what needs to be taught to them" |
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Post by wingtol on Jun 18, 2023 10:25:13 GMT -6
Or you get these new age Bro Coaches who are like "We let the guys figure out what's best for them and let them do it that way so they can self monitor and self correct and problem solve and create a way of doing their own thing blah blah blah" aka "I can't be bothered to learn what needs to be taught to them" Or " People can't see how smart and cutting edge I am with fundamentals but they can with my 9 read RPO triple option run and shoot" |
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Post by tripsclosed on Jun 18, 2023 12:34:37 GMT -6
aka "I can't be bothered to learn what needs to be taught to them" Or " People can't see how smart and cutting edge I am with fundamentals but they can with my 9 read RPO triple option run and shoot" 😄😄😄👍 |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 19, 2023 6:11:51 GMT -6
When I was a head coach we went Mon-Thur 9-11 with the week of the 4th off. We had one player above the D3 level and he was a kicker. The less dumb chit we did, the more we won. Finished 7-4 in the end. Place has won maybe 12 games in 7y since.
Thursday was yoga, indy/group, and then we let them play 7on7 against each other for fun while I sat in the bleachers and watched. If it rained we played basketball or soccer in the gym if it was free.
Plenty of time after to get my workout in, eat lunch, hit the pool, hit the bar, sleep it off. Do it again.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jun 19, 2023 6:16:30 GMT -6
I think parties involved would be more accepting of the hours put in, if they didnt start so early. Summers should allow for more sleeping in. There is big time school down the road from us that goes m-f 6:00am to 10:00am. Gotta be waking up darn near 4:45 all summer long just to get there on time?! Another reason I love the private S&C facility life. My boss knows 2 things- 1- nothing before 9am 2- Don't call me off the bench for something in the afternoon/evening after 12 on a weekend/summer. By then it's too late. |
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Post by knightfan64 on Jun 24, 2023 9:41:45 GMT -6
I remember coming up as a coach everyone generally doing 2 hours a day 3 days a week. I thought when I got a head coaching job back 7 years ago I’d be a little revolutionary and add a fourth day just for skill work and competition. Now as an assistant again it feels like everyone is going 4 days a week for 2.5-3 hours. You guys seeing the same? Heck I’d love to knock it out in mornings but we’d never get enough rides for kids so 5-7:30 is our deal which usually leads to me getting home close to 9
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Post by blb on Jun 24, 2023 10:27:44 GMT -6
I think "Summer Practice" is an oxymoron.
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Post by irishdog on Jun 24, 2023 13:24:20 GMT -6
I found out early in my career that "less is more!" S&C three days per week (M-W-Th) 90 mins. ea. day, 8-9:30. 7 on 7 (T) 5-7. Basically told the boys I would need them for appx. 8 hours per week during the summer. Four weeks in June. Three weeks in July (our state association called for a Dead Week the last week of July). Never had to worry about "family vacations" because they always had Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays off. Most took their vacations during Dead Week.
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Post by hsrose on Jun 28, 2023 21:23:43 GMT -6
The subject school just announced that they would not field a varsity team this season, only 5 seniors this year. 2nd time in 3 years they have not had a varsity team. No word on changing the practice schedule.
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Post by dubber on Jun 29, 2023 3:56:48 GMT -6
10 hours/week. 1/2 weights, 1/2 field.
But, we are off a whole week in June, 4th of July week, and the last week of July.
This spacing really helps with player and coach fatigue.
We never have 3 straight weeks of football throughout the summer.
With school starting so early, it’s killed our traditional two a days (good riddance, talk about diminishing returns). Looking at our field work portion, we are basically taking what use to be two weeks crammed together and spreading it out over the summer.
So basically 6 weeks at 10 hours/week - 60 hours……30-40 of that is field work.
Part of fatigue management too is keeping things fresh and knowing when less is more. Some guys want beat a horse to death……everything has to look perfect and they grind until it does.
The problem is you are getting it to look perfect in practice…..a controlled environment against a scout team.
That’s why the returns are diminishing…..nothing can replace playing actual games……one of the reason (besides physical prowess) that 3 year starters are usually studs.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 29, 2023 5:49:57 GMT -6
The subject school just announced that they would not field a varsity team this season, only 5 seniors this year. 2nd time in 3 years they have not had a varsity team. No word on changing the practice schedule. I'm shocked... |
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Post by agap on Jun 29, 2023 9:06:03 GMT -6
We had three Tuesday night practices for 2 hours in June. We went to a passing tournament during the day a couple weeks ago. We have our three day team camp later in July which is two hours per day, and then we go to a college for camp which is three days. Other teams I've coached for have done similar things since we're limited with how many practices we can have in Minnesota.
It's nice in June because it's basically one night per week. If coaches have vacation planned or something comes up, then they don't show up. I think we had one coach gone from each practice in June. We do more in July but the team camp and college camp are finished in about a week and a half.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 29, 2023 12:04:03 GMT -6
Today is the Last Day of summer before our dead period. It was productive. Went to a few 7 on 7 tournaments and a couple linemen competitions. But it's time for a break!
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Post by blackknight on Jul 9, 2023 19:58:12 GMT -6
2013 was my last year as head coach.
We did Monday, Tuesday, Thursday.
5:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. Strength Training
6:00 p.m. - 6:30 p.m. Speed and Agility Training (Monday was linear, Tuesday was change of direction, Thursday was position specific)
6:30 p.m. - 7:00 p.m. Practice (Monday was Offensive review, Tuesday was Defensive review, Thursday was Special Teams)
Wednesday we went to another high school that hosted several schools and we would get three 7 on 7 games in. Lineman would meet with their coaches and have a skill development practice.
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