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Post by mc140 on Apr 10, 2023 8:17:35 GMT -6
Local tourney had 50 teams with a 4 game guarantee this past week. $1000 entry fee. Is this a Chicago area thing or is this normal now everywhere?
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Post by coachdmyers on Apr 11, 2023 12:19:22 GMT -6
Gross.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 11, 2023 15:14:42 GMT -6
The proliferation of 7on7 is one thing I'm glad I got out for.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 11, 2023 15:54:28 GMT -6
I think at this point, there is a definite non-zero chance that 7-on-7/flag football just splinters into a different sport all together as opposed to a developmental activity to 11-on-11 tackle football played in the fall by HS kids.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 11, 2023 16:20:47 GMT -6
I think there's a better chance that in a few decades football is closer to 7on7 than what it looks like now.
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Post by jg78 on Apr 11, 2023 19:05:48 GMT -6
Could be.
One of the reasons I no longer coach is because I don’t like the style of play anymore. I like old school Wing-T, I, Veer, etc. Good luck running those offenses at most schools. Whenever you struggle on offense, whether it’s your fault or not, folks are going to say, “Why are we running this antiquated offense? Why aren’t we in the spread like everyone else?”
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 11, 2023 19:16:46 GMT -6
Could be. One of the reasons I no longer coach is because I don’t like the style of play anymore. I like old school Wing-T, I, Veer, etc. Good luck running those offenses at most schools. Whenever you struggle on offense, whether it’s your fault or not, folks are going to say, “Why are we running this antiquated offense? Why aren’t we in the spread like everyone else?” We went 11-1 and averaged around 45 a game and people bitched about our offense. |
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Post by tog on Apr 14, 2023 13:24:13 GMT -6
Local tourney had 50 teams with a 4 game guarantee this past week. $1000 entry fee. Is this a Chicago area thing or is this normal now everywhere? ruination of the game imho |
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Post by blb on Apr 14, 2023 13:48:11 GMT -6
Local tourney had 50 teams with a 4 game guarantee this past week. $1000 entry fee. Is this a Chicago area thing or is this normal now everywhere? I think that (or something similar) has been going on in Texas for years. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 14, 2023 19:08:29 GMT -6
It's kind of dance with the devil. If you want to be in the game, it will be part of the game. It's kind of like little league World Series, in areas that have that.... that is part of your feeder program.
Do you reject it all, or embrace it?
Or is that a false dichotomy?
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Post by mc140 on Apr 16, 2023 21:44:31 GMT -6
It's kind of dance with the devil. If you want to be in the game, it will be part of the game. It's kind of like little league World Series, in areas that have that.... that is part of your feeder program. Do you reject it all, or embrace it? Or is that a false dichotomy?
I have yet to have a kid come back in the summer a better player after a spring of AAU 7on7. It's playing with your friends in the park without contact. It is better than nothing at all, but I would rather they play another sport then develop even more bad habits.
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Post by newcoryell on Apr 24, 2023 10:04:54 GMT -6
Local tourney had 50 teams with a 4 game guarantee this past week. $1000 entry fee. Is this a Chicago area thing or is this normal now everywhere? I think that (or something similar) has been going on in Texas for years. FACTS. It's sickening....even if you aren't coaching at the current moment. I truly believe that some of the most NEGATIVE aspects of the game come from this segment of the coaching universe. |
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Post by newcoryell on Apr 24, 2023 10:06:24 GMT -6
Could be. One of the reasons I no longer coach is because I don’t like the style of play anymore. I like old school Wing-T, I, Veer, etc. Good luck running those offenses at most schools. Whenever you struggle on offense, whether it’s your fault or not, folks are going to say, “Why are we running this antiquated offense? Why aren’t we in the spread like everyone else?” We went 11-1 and averaged around 45 a game and people bitched about our offense. The fact that parents/kids/coaches would rather lose games than have that record is INSANE to me. Winning is what matters. I understand running a program that assists kids with getting scholarships or views....but at some point WINNING has to matter. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 24, 2023 10:55:11 GMT -6
We went 11-1 and averaged around 45 a game and people bitched about our offense. The fact that parents/kids/coaches would rather lose games than have that record is INSANE to me. Winning is what matters. I understand running a program that assists kids with getting scholarships or views....but at some point WINNING has to matter. Have you met parents??? Lol |
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Post by newcoryell on Apr 24, 2023 13:05:26 GMT -6
The fact that parents/kids/coaches would rather lose games than have that record is INSANE to me. Winning is what matters. I understand running a program that assists kids with getting scholarships or views....but at some point WINNING has to matter. Have you met parents??? Lol Yes. I'm a parent and I have coached teams. Again, I don't have a problem with parents trying to look out for the best result for THEIR kid...if you have a kid that's a 5-star WR and we run the flexbone...trust me, when he leaves with 48 receptions and 970 yards with 12 TDs, the scouts will find you. Or...go play for a 3-9 team and get 100 receptions. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 24, 2023 15:24:32 GMT -6
Have you met parents??? Lol Yes. I'm a parent and I have coached teams. Again, I don't have a problem with parents trying to look out for the best result for THEIR kid...if you have a kid that's a 5-star WR and we run the flexbone...trust me, when he leaves with 48 receptions and 970 yards with 12 TDs, the scouts will find you. Or...go play for a 3-9 team and get 100 receptions. I don’t disagree with your logic, unfortunately, parents are not logical when it comes to their own children. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 24, 2023 16:51:57 GMT -6
We went 11-1 and averaged around 45 a game and people bitched about our offense. The fact that parents/kids/coaches would rather lose games than have that record is INSANE to me. Winning is what matters. I understand running a program that assists kids with getting scholarships or views....but at some point WINNING has to matter. That's what I thought and that season took a LOT of my passion for coaching away. If we'd have made the state championship i probably would have retired that year. |
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Post by newcoryell on Apr 24, 2023 19:10:04 GMT -6
The fact that parents/kids/coaches would rather lose games than have that record is INSANE to me. Winning is what matters. I understand running a program that assists kids with getting scholarships or views....but at some point WINNING has to matter. That's what I thought and that season took a LOT of my passion for coaching away. If we'd have made the state championship i probably would have retired that year. Coach....that is just insane. It would be LESS stupid if you didn't also average 45 PPG. INSANE. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 24, 2023 19:20:49 GMT -6
That's what I thought and that season took a LOT of my passion for coaching away. If we'd have made the state championship i probably would have retired that year. Coach....that is just insane. It would be LESS stupid if you didn't also average 45 PPG. INSANE. From 2011-13 we went 27-6 and won 24 straight regular season games. In 2014 we started 0-2 and lost both games by a combined 3 pts to teams that went a combined 17-3 regular season. After the Week 2 loss I look over as I'm talking to the team and a group of parents were talking to our principal. I asked him what they wanted. He said they wanted a meeting to discuss getting a new HC. |
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Post by newcoryell on Apr 24, 2023 19:58:30 GMT -6
You are a better man than me.
The arrogance. I don't want to go off on a bigger rant...but THIS is why our culture/society is jacked right now. Screw what works. Let's be "entertaining". Let's forget about the substance and just go with flash. It's insane. Keep doing what you do.
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Post by realdawg on Apr 25, 2023 3:31:12 GMT -6
Exactly part of the problem. Not just in football, but also when it comes to the classroom.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 25, 2023 6:54:44 GMT -6
You are a better man than me. The arrogance. I don't want to go off on a bigger rant...but THIS is why our culture/society is jacked right now. Screw what works. Let's be "entertaining". Let's forget about the substance and just go with flash. It's insane. Keep doing what you do. That was a really rough season. We ended 3-6 and lost 3 games by a combined 4 points to 3 playoff teams. It took at least 5 years off my coaching career. No exaggeration. To stay on topic though, we were fantastic in 7on7s. Was probably our most successful W/L record in 7on7s in my 7 years at that school. I think we were undefeated. We "won" the only tournament we were in. |
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Post by fantom on Apr 25, 2023 9:26:27 GMT -6
Could be. One of the reasons I no longer coach is because I don’t like the style of play anymore. I like old school Wing-T, I, Veer, etc. Good luck running those offenses at most schools. Whenever you struggle on offense, whether it’s your fault or not, folks are going to say, “Why are we running this antiquated offense? Why aren’t we in the spread like everyone else?” We went 11-1 and averaged around 45 a game and people bitched about our offense. Stuff like this led to one of the most hilarious moments in my coaching career: We were leaving the field at halftime leading 40-0 and heard a parent yell, "Throw the ball, Coach". |
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Post by coachcb on Apr 25, 2023 9:55:18 GMT -6
Could be. One of the reasons I no longer coach is because I don’t like the style of play anymore. I like old school Wing-T, I, Veer, etc. Good luck running those offenses at most schools. Whenever you struggle on offense, whether it’s your fault or not, folks are going to say, “Why are we running this antiquated offense? Why aren’t we in the spread like everyone else?” We went 11-1 and averaged around 45 a game and people bitched about our offense.
Had a similar situation but experienced fun from both sides. We averaged about 40+ points per game running Wing-T, went undefeated and won the middle school "championship". Parents complained we weren't throwing the ball enough. During the "championship" we were up 18-6 in the first half and dialed up a PA that scored. We got hollered at (by our own parents) for "running up the score".
I'm unofficially retired from football right now. I've been asked to coach next year by multiple people. Situations like the one I described are why a give a hard "No".
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Post by coachdmyers on Apr 25, 2023 10:05:57 GMT -6
You know, we actually do throw the ball a lot, and I hate 7 on 7. Beyond the AAU type me first culture and private coaching ego issues, it has genuinely made several of our kids worse football players. They develop the kinds of habits you'd get if you're not worried about being hit, but someone pulling a flag. Kids stop and juke when they should just turn upfield. At some point, I'll have a more frank discussion with our families, because I genuinely believe they're wasting money. Similar thing with many self-proclaimed "QB coaches". I can't tell you guys how many times I've had to fix some kid's mechanics and/or footwork after six months of working with some "guru".
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 25, 2023 12:18:30 GMT -6
We went 11-1 and averaged around 45 a game and people bitched about our offense. Stuff like this led to one of the most hilarious moments in my coaching career: We were leaving the field at halftime leading 40-0 and heard a parent yell, "Throw the ball, Coach". We were up 35-0, 2 1/2 minutes into the game and had run 10 plays. We took a knee on their 20 yard line right before half up 56-0. We got dog cussed at half time of a game by some parents and one of the school board members. oh and to be clear, it wasn't for running up the score.... |
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Post by newcoryell on Apr 26, 2023 9:13:48 GMT -6
You know, we actually do throw the ball a lot, and I hate 7 on 7. Beyond the AAU type me first culture and private coaching ego issues, it has genuinely made several of our kids worse football players. They develop the kinds of habits you'd get if you're not worried about being hit, but someone pulling a flag. Kids stop and juke when they should just turn upfield. At some point, I'll have a more frank discussion with our families, because I genuinely believe they're wasting money. Similar thing with many self-proclaimed "QB coaches". I can't tell you guys how many times I've had to fix some kid's mechanics and/or footwork after six months of working with some "guru". You know, I had considered taking the private coaching path, but the resistance from the entrenched PRIVATE COACHES was downright absurd. This all took place in the DFW area, mind you. I had a candid conversation with some of the young athletes, asking them about their team's scheme and how their coaches were teaching it. I made it clear that while I could teach them MY WAY, if they clash with their coaches, they'll never make it onto the field. I had a few chats with QBs, going over a playsheet and stressing the importance of communication with their HC/OC. Stressed how important to understand the concept and what THEY want. The private coach kept telling the QB to hit #2 on the In route and ignore the Corner and the Fin route, and to signal #3 to run a Post instead of a Corner. But I asked the QB, "Is that what your COACH wants you to do?" When he responded with a hesitant "No," I explained that he shouldn't show up his coach by ignoring their plays. |
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Post by gamblinman5 on May 1, 2023 9:35:53 GMT -6
That's what I thought and that season took a LOT of my passion for coaching away. If we'd have made the state championship i probably would have retired that year. Coach....that is just insane. It would be LESS stupid if you didn't also average 45 PPG. INSANE. Nope, it's never good enough... here is how it typically goes. if you are losing you should be winning if you're winning you should be winning more if you're winning a lot, you aren't winning by enough if you're blowing everyone out you're not winning the right way... the right style, with the right kids etc. Even if you're winning state, it will never be good enough for some. |
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Post by newhope on May 1, 2023 11:29:44 GMT -6
Local tourney had 50 teams with a 4 game guarantee this past week. $1000 entry fee. Is this a Chicago area thing or is this normal now everywhere? If you want to know where AAU anything will take the game, just look at the state of basketball at all levels. Football was the last holdout against the club and AAU stuff where the high school program and the high school coach held sway. That is fast disappearing. These outside groups allow people who are NOT trained educators and who don't have a background in teaching, who by and large aren't concerned with anything long term in the players' lives, aren't interested in instilling discipline, and are by and large only involved either because they have a son or for their own ego in seeing how many games they can win by whatever means necessary. Football was able to hold out because of the expense involved---clubs and AAU can't afford the equipment and the liability. 7 on 7 and combines eliminate that cost and gives them an in. That in has led to those people getting in parents' and kids' ears and plays a big role in all the transfers we are now seeing in high school. I warned basketball coaches 30 years ago what was going to happen when they saw AAU, etc as a way of getting "extra coaching" in the offseason that it would lead to the loss of control of their programs and their players. Time has proven me right. |
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Post by tog on May 5, 2023 14:24:52 GMT -6
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