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Post by coachcb on Feb 26, 2023 7:07:54 GMT -6
I bet that technique is stellar against play action game when your man defenders are bamming to the LOS on that run read and their receiver is streaking wide open, waving to his ugly girlfriend, waiting for the band to play and cheerleaders to start doing push-ups. Here's the thing... The "technique" that the high-level college FBS LB was teaching those kids worked great for him because he was an elite athlete. For guys like that, technique doesn't matter because it isn't needed. The purpose of teaching players sound technique is that it provides an advantage for players of similar ability. Among players who have a similar ability level, the players with the most sound technique will be the best players. That is not true for freaks. They can simply out-athlete an opposing player who, regardless of that player's mastery of technique, is not as good of an athlete. That's why, generally speaking, the guys I have coached with who were elite, high-level players have often been lackluster coaches. Because they were great athletes, football was easy for them. So, once they became a coach, they would often be frustrated because they couldn't get kids to do things the way they did when they were a player. Finding resources on that technique was damn near impossible. There's some clips floating around of college and pro teams doing it but nothing substantial. |
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Post by olcoach53 on Feb 26, 2023 11:26:24 GMT -6
Story 1:
Head coach decided that it would be "funny" and he that would relate to the kids by coming out to practice in a wave cap and immediately ask an injured player to take his picture with two African American players...
We all just looked at each other and shook our heads
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Post by CS on Feb 26, 2023 11:56:41 GMT -6
Story 1: Head coach decided that it would be "funny" and he that would relate to the kids by coming out to practice in a wave cap and immediately ask an injured player to take his picture with two African American players... We all just looked at each other and shook our heads  |
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 26, 2023 13:04:58 GMT -6
Story 1: Head coach decided that it would be "funny" and he that would relate to the kids by coming out to practice in a wave cap and immediately ask an injured player to take his picture with two African American players... We all just looked at each other and shook our heads Thank you for the gif because I had NO idea what a wave cap was. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Feb 26, 2023 13:07:59 GMT -6
Story 1: Head coach decided that it would be "funny" and he that would relate to the kids by coming out to practice in a wave cap and immediately ask an injured player to take his picture with two African American players... We all just looked at each other and shook our heads Good lord 🙄 That's unreal |
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Post by tripsclosed on Feb 26, 2023 14:33:24 GMT -6
Last HC I worked for. This was for an adult women's team. When we started, the HC and I were the only male coaches on the staff. Rest were women. By far worst HC I've ever worked with...had an extremely over-complicated offense that I never understood in 3 seasons with him. The issue was he changed the rules and play terminology almost every week to meet whatever play, offense, or player he wanted to focus everything on each week. I was the WR coach, and he required me to teach like 20 routes in a week and would tell me to "rep them all" almost every practice in just a 10-15 minute indy time. Then he'd get made at me when I told him we only got through 3-4 because I had to actually coach the routes. I learned through the other coaches after he resigned that he was deliberately feeding me incorrect information and giving me "busy work" so he could retain control of the offense. I actually had one of our other assistants come to me and say "you actually know how football works, and he is intimidated by you for it." He historically has rail-roaded male coaches he has worked with, basically out of insecurity, especially if other coaches knew what they were talking about (the guy had no clue how blocking schemes worked). I would often find him taking all the WR's aside and instructing them how to do something, then deliberately wouldn't tell me what he told them. WRs often would come to me and just be like "FYI, HC told us to do this, but what do you want us to do / he doesn't know what he's doing." Needless to say, in the three years he was the HC, our defense probably scored more points than the offense. Under the new HC, I got promoted to OC, and in our first three games, we scored more points than we did on offense in the past three years combined. He practically traumatized our players too, because if they ever contradicted him, or did something the way they were coached that he got wrong or didn't like, he'd change his narrative on the spot and start chewing at players for doing exactly what he told them to do. He ran "zone" plays, but got angry whenever a back didn't go through the "2, 3, 4, or 5" hole. I saw him constantly change the rules on plays in the middle of practice to make him "right" and players "wrong." He would yell at our O-line for failing to block 6-7 man boxes...when there was only five of them. He would "rig" the scout defense to only give the most favorable looks when he repped plays, and whenever a front gave us problems in an actual game, he didn't adjust or have a plan. He just called the same things over and over with no coaching or adapting. Which to the next point: He would install about 20 players per week, and his call sheet had about 100+ calls every week. Every play was at least 10 syllables long. In practice, he never said a full play name. He would just say one part of the play call, then get mad when the formation, motion, etc, wasn't right. On more than a few occasions, I had to raise my voice with "Please tell them the entire play call!" He always installed at least two plays the day of a game, about an hour before kickoff. I dealt with a similar situation about 10 years ago, albeit not quite as extreme, and thankfully, by the end of the season, me and the HC mostly saw eye to eye and got along. He was a good dude and mostly knew what he was doing, just a bit rough around the edges haha (but so was I 😄). |
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Post by coachdmyers on Feb 27, 2023 12:02:48 GMT -6
I worked for a HC that was not great and made my third season miserable. I was the OC. Some quick highlights:
- We're an up-tempo spread team. We score on our first four possessions. Last TD is a 55 yard run on first play of the series to put us up 28-7. Right after the last TD, he says "okay now lets slow it down". It was the second quarter. We slowed it down. They came back and it finished a 39-27 win, but didn't have to be that close.
- Halftime against a really good team, we're losing either 7-0 or 7-6. We're moving the ball well but not running the ball well and our OL has killed drives with false starts like three times in or near the redzone. OL coach says "just run the f***ing ball", I tell him to f off, HC comes and reiterates "just run the f***ing ball" so I don't argue and just call run plays the second half. We lose 35-7.
- After our fourth game one year, we'd only put up 14 points against a good team, but won. Saturday heading into week 5, the HC tells the offensive staff that we need to put in Veer. It took every single one of us to talk him down.
- My son was born on the first two a day of my last season and instead of congratulations and support, I basically got "so when are you back?" I only missed two days of practice.
- He and the previous HC (who was our DC) overrode me Thursday before a playoff game and told our O Line that if our opponents showed double a gap blitz, everyone step down. Yes, five guys covering four gaps. It did not go well.
- He said a ton of racist things, and tolerated it from his other assistants.
- He could never deal with conflict. He allowed it to fester on staff, and couldn't mitigate those conflicts. There were several that blew up, especially in my last year, on both sides of the ball.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 27, 2023 14:03:48 GMT -6
Story 1: Head coach decided that it would be "funny" and he that would relate to the kids by coming out to practice in a wave cap and immediately ask an injured player to take his picture with two African American players... We all just looked at each other and shook our heads Coach Michael Scott from the Scranton Knights??? |
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Post by QBCoachDurham on Feb 27, 2023 14:32:33 GMT -6
I worked for a head coach in one of my first jobs that referred to himself as a "coaching genius." Some of the genius included:
-Making the practice schedule with no times on it. We would go Indy, Group, Team. I was coaching QBs and WRs. I asked when Group would start and was told "whenever the RBs are ready for a QB." Team started whenever the OL was ready and would often last 80-90 minutes.
- He once dressed out and played scout team FS. He had played D1 football and spent time in an NFL training camp, and could still bench over 400 lbs.
- We had back to back games where we scored over 40 points and had over 400 yards (and won both). After the 2nd of those games, he took over playcalling because we weren't getting the ball to our RB enough (who happened to be his favorite player). We lost the next two games, after which he gave up playcalling.
- Later that year, he took over the defense, changed it from a 4-3 to a 6-2, and told all the DL and LBs to just "run to your gap when the ball is snapped."
He would not listen to any of the assistants about anything.
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Post by tripsclosed on Feb 27, 2023 15:43:52 GMT -6
Story 1: Head coach decided that it would be "funny" and he that would relate to the kids by coming out to practice in a wave cap and immediately ask an injured player to take his picture with two African American players... We all just looked at each other and shook our heads Coach Michael Scott from the Scranton Knights??? Assistant (TO) the HFC |
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Post by 19delta on Feb 27, 2023 17:52:58 GMT -6
Story 1: Head coach decided that it would be "funny" and he that would relate to the kids by coming out to practice in a wave cap and immediately ask an injured player to take his picture with two African American players... We all just looked at each other and shook our heads Coach Michael Scott from the Scranton Knights??? |
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Post by olcoach53 on Feb 28, 2023 10:07:03 GMT -6
Story 1: Head coach decided that it would be "funny" and he that would relate to the kids by coming out to practice in a wave cap and immediately ask an injured player to take his picture with two African American players... We all just looked at each other and shook our heads Coach Michael Scott from the Scranton Knights???
I wish it was as comical as The Office. He didn't know that he should NOT do that sort of thing and thought it would make him more relatable...I kid you not this guy was the king of idiotic takes.
Story 2: He begged and pleaded for as many trick plays as humanly possible as he thought this would help us to accomplish more than our 12 ppg. He wanted them on offense and every special team. We would practice these trick plays on special teams more than we would actually practice special teams. The one day he begged for a trick on KOR we installed it, then when it wouldn't even work in practice he complained about all the trick plays...
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Post by tripsclosed on Feb 28, 2023 11:49:54 GMT -6
Coach Michael Scott from the Scranton Knights???
I wish it was as comical as The Office. He didn't know that he should NOT do that sort of thing and thought it would make him more relatable...I kid you not this guy was the king of idiotic takes.
Story 2: He begged and pleaded for as many trick plays as humanly possible as he thought this would help us to accomplish more than our 12 ppg. He wanted them on offense and every special team. We would practice these trick plays on special teams more than we would actually practice special teams. The one day he begged for a trick on KOR we installed it, then when it wouldn't even work in practice he complained about all the trick plays...
Story 2 still sounds like Michael Scott coaching football 😄😄 |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 28, 2023 13:26:54 GMT -6
OLC53---You literally worked for Michael Scott.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 28, 2023 14:34:51 GMT -6
Miserable is too strong for what he did but the last HC I worked for had a hard time relating to the kids. He was a former D1 player and All-ACC Academic Team, honestly he expected too much from the kids physically and mentally. Couldn't understand why a 5'10" 220lb OL couldn't run the schemes and make the adjustments that he could at 6'5" and 290lbs, or why the kid couldn't understand/process the concepts. He had other issues but that was the biggest for me. Not a bad guy or coach overall but had a few problems.
I will say the guy had my back several times with parental issues and that was tremendous.
Another coach I worked for had a bad habit of voicing his opinion, no matter who was around. Have to love the guy for it but some things shouldn't be said in front of the players and he never understood that. Caused some major issues within the program that I got caught in the middle of, probably the only time ive been miserable while coaching.
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Post by olcoach53 on Feb 28, 2023 17:08:38 GMT -6
Story 3: We were all told by the higher ups that the full timers needed to be in at 8am for a breakfast on campus. The morning of, the HC tells us all that we don't need to be at the breakfast even though we are all already on our way in (We all lived at least 30 minutes away, with myself living over an hour away). We all get to the office and throughout the course of the day find out that we are all in trouble for not going to the breakfast...
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Post by tripsclosed on Feb 28, 2023 17:13:10 GMT -6
Story 3: We were all told by the higher ups that the full timers needed to be in at 8am for a breakfast on campus. The morning of, the HC tells us all that we don't need to be at the breakfast even though we are all already on our way in (We all lived at least 30 minutes away, with myself living over an hour away). We all get to the office and throughout the course of the day find out that we are all in trouble for not going to the breakfast... Oh heck no lol |
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Post by coachcb on Mar 1, 2023 10:17:21 GMT -6
Same HC as described in previous posts.
We were playing a team that only the HC had seen before. We watched HUDL film, game planned and prepared for what we were seeing. I was the DC and we swapped our defensive front. The second play of the game, the opposing offense has the ball and hustles to the line without huddling. Our guys can't get lined up quick enough and we get burned for a big play. I start hollering for a time out but the officials don't catch it and they rip off another big play while we're trying to get swapped.
The officials finally hear me hollering and give us a time out. I get our guys lined out in our two minute left/right defense. But they're rattled and we just couldn't pull it together. But, it's too little, too late. We got thumped.
The HC says "I guess I should've told you they don't huddle."
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 1, 2023 10:32:29 GMT -6
I was OC for a guy who would "randomly" take over the offense in the red zone and put his kid in so he could dial up TDs for him.
It wouldn't even have been that miserable (chitty for sure), but he killed most of our drives doing that stuff.
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Post by olcoach53 on Mar 1, 2023 11:58:49 GMT -6
You guys want more?
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Post by realdawg on Mar 1, 2023 12:11:33 GMT -6
Sure. Can never have too much comic relief.
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Post by wolverine55 on Mar 1, 2023 12:24:26 GMT -6
I've posted this before, although I struggle with putting into words how bad it was. This was back in the summer of '18. We offered weights at two different times--5:30 in the morning and then an afternoon period. What made the 5:30 period rough was our on-the-field workouts went until 8:30 the night before so that was a quick turnaround for the kids and whoever the coach was that had that duty the next morning. One time we returned from an overnight, full-padded camp at 11 p.m. on a Sunday. I asked if I should announce no weights in the morning or if the kids figured it out. He looked at me and went, "Why would we cancel weights tomorrow?" Granted, he wasn't the one on duty the next morning, I was!
And then those on-the-field workouts I mentioned, they were actually scheduled for 5-7:30 three evenings a week. The 7:30 turned into 8:30 more often than not by the time we ran over and the HC gave his postpractice speech. They were conducted in helmets and shoulder pads, although this is not legal in Iowa. And, he frontloaded the time requirements as summer went on. The evening weights session already coincided with the 5 o'clock start time, then he would add film prior to the weights session, then coaches meeting before that. By July, I was spending from about 2-9 at the school 3-4 times a week with some morning weight duty mixed in there as well. It made for a looooong summer...
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 1, 2023 12:34:08 GMT -6
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Mar 1, 2023 13:07:16 GMT -6
Had a header that would let any kid come out late at any point in the season, also him and the DC would never help handing out equipment. Needless to say showing up to practice and then being told to hand out equipment to a kid who probably wouldn't last a week was exhausting, and that was before the marathon practice that was 80% team. I could write books about the two of my stops.
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Post by olcoach53 on Mar 1, 2023 15:15:49 GMT -6
I've posted this before, although I struggle with putting into words how bad it was. This was back in the summer of '18. We offered weights at two different times--5:30 in the morning and then an afternoon period. What made the 5:30 period rough was our on-the-field workouts went until 8:30 the night before so that was a quick turnaround for the kids and whoever the coach was that had that duty the next morning. One time we returned from an overnight, full-padded camp at 11 p.m. on a Sunday. I asked if I should announce no weights in the morning or if the kids figured it out. He looked at me and went, "Why would we cancel weights tomorrow?" Granted, he wasn't the one on duty the next morning, I was! And then those on-the-field workouts I mentioned, they were actually scheduled for 5-7:30 three evenings a week. The 7:30 turned into 8:30 more often than not by the time we ran over and the HC gave his postpractice speech. They were conducted in helmets and shoulder pads, although this is not legal in Iowa. And, he frontloaded the time requirements as summer went on. The evening weights session already coincided with the 5 o'clock start time, then he would add film prior to the weights session, then coaches meeting before that. By July, I was spending from about 2-9 at the school 3-4 times a week with some morning weight duty mixed in there as well. It made for a looooong summer...
Was his last name similar to a tool used in carpentry?
Story #4: Said HC was very adamant about being in the office as much as possible and not leaving said office for anything at all. Even so much as chastising a few of us for going to the gym during lunch for our "lunchtime lift" from Noon until 1pm. Well we stopped listening to him when we found out that from 1pm-3pm every day he took a nap in his office with the door shut...
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Post by 19delta on Mar 1, 2023 16:06:13 GMT -6
I was OC for a guy who would "randomly" take over the offense in the red zone and put his kid in so he could dial up TDs for him. It wouldn't even have been that miserable (chitty for sure), but he killed most of our drives doing that stuff. Yeah. That’s a bad deal. I worked for a guy like that once. His kid was not a good player but the head coach would design a defensive specifically for his kid. When his kid was a sophomore, he was our starting center on the JV team. Didn’t even play defense on the JV but his dad drew up a varsity defense that had him playing MLB I felt bad for the coach and the kid they didn’t have a great relationship and dad was trying to use his position as head football coach to try and make the relationship with his son better. It never cost us any games or anything like that but it was always really awkward. |
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Post by carookie on Mar 1, 2023 16:16:00 GMT -6
Man I guess I've been lucky, save for one season, every coach I've worked for who has been a bit lacking in football sense at least didn't over work us or the kids hours wise. And every coach I've worked for who went over the top on the hours at least knew their stuff and were very good coaches.
And pretty much all of them were good men who cared about the kids.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 1, 2023 16:39:35 GMT -6
I was OC for a guy who would "randomly" take over the offense in the red zone and put his kid in so he could dial up TDs for him. It wouldn't even have been that miserable (chitty for sure), but he killed most of our drives doing that stuff. Yeah. That’s a bad deal. I worked for a guy like that once. His kid was not a good player but the head coach would design a defensive specifically for his kid. When his kid was a sophomore, he was our starting center on the JV team. Didn’t even play defense on the JV but his dad drew up a varsity defense that had him playing MLB I felt bad for the coach and the kid they didn’t have a great relationship and dad was trying to use his position as head football coach to try and make the relationship with his son better. It never cost us any games or anything like that but it was always really awkward. When I was a head coach i hired a DC. And then had to fire him because he kept putting his kid in for our LB who was a D1 guy. His kid was a sophomore and could’ve been a decent player but he was a freak in youth ball cause he hit maturity before anyone else. That experience made the kid think he didn’t need the weight room to be great so he would either be hurt or have to make up work or not change rather than lift. Also Mom or dad both would bring him McDonalds every single day at the end of school which he would eat in the 15 minutes between last bell and first whistle. The kid was average on JV but not ready for varsity. Dad just kept putting him in every time I’d take my head set off I knew that kid was going in even though everyone behind closed doors agreed the kid wasnt ready for varsity football. Dad was a great guy. Kids loved him until his own kid got in the program. It’s really kind of sad when it’s really bad daddy ball. On the flip side of that we have a sophomore running back who’s easily the best player I’ve been on same sideline as. People complained that he got the ball too much and it’s only because his dad is a coach. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 2, 2023 6:43:35 GMT -6
I was OC for a guy who would "randomly" take over the offense in the red zone and put his kid in so he could dial up TDs for him. It wouldn't even have been that miserable (chitty for sure), but he killed most of our drives doing that stuff. Yeah. That’s a bad deal. I worked for a guy like that once. His kid was not a good player but the head coach would design a defensive specifically for his kid. When his kid was a sophomore, he was our starting center on the JV team. Didn’t even play defense on the JV but his dad drew up a varsity defense that had him playing MLB I felt bad for the coach and the kid they didn’t have a great relationship and dad was trying to use his position as head football coach to try and make the relationship with his son better. It never cost us any games or anything like that but it was always really awkward. His kid was a decent player. Played QB/Slot. Sucked when we'd have one QB drive down and he'd throw his kid in at QB just because. Sucked trying to force him the ball at slot too though. Everyone knew what was coming. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 2, 2023 7:24:19 GMT -6
I'll add one. I worked for a guy that let his buddies be on the sideline on friday nights. One of them told our LB coach that he has a key the LBs need to read. "When the guard squeezes his butt cheeks he is pulling!"
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