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Post by Defcord on Feb 23, 2023 8:22:51 GMT -6
I was reading 19Deltas situation in the missing practice thread about how his head coach made a season completely miserable and it got me wondering what vents we all have towards past situations we worked in.
I remember like ten years ago I was on here venting about the guy I was working for and someone posted a quote that changed my perspective for the better. "The head coach isn't always right but he is always the head coach." After that the stuff that bugged me became more bearable for the most part and I understood that most head coaches are doing their best.
I have been lucky to work for really good head coaches that were also great men for the most part. But there are times the guy in the big chair does some stuff that drives us all nuts.
The older I have gotten the only major frustration with a head coach I have worked that actually made me miserable came a few years back where three times during the season we had guys that the offensive staff told us were terrible and would never play offense. Then we got them playing fast and confident on the defensive side of the ball. Next thing you know the offense had an injury or lack of production from a kid and without full staff conversations completely stole the guys they told us sucked and also told us they couldn't play defense at all anymore. I am all for doing what is best for the team and adjusting the way we use kids, but to throw kids under the bus and then completely steal them and make that decision in the offensive staff meeting was infuriating. They also in offensive staff meeting vetoed our defensive player of the game selection that the head coach asked us to make. That one was just silly. Overall though it was really just a year where we all had to get on the same page and it was better after that year.
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Post by jstoss24 on Feb 23, 2023 11:06:58 GMT -6
My last year coaching college ball, I was at a D3 school where the HC was the OC and also coached the QBs (he had been a career OL coach before becoming HC). We would staff meet at 5 to watch practice film from the previous day, lift and position meet from 6 to 8, meet as a staff until about 9:30, put together the practice plan for the day until 10:15 and then he would hang out with head coaches of other sports, scroll through Twitter, and take a 2 hour lunch every day while we broke down film for the next week's opponent and recruited. We had our daily special teams meeting at 2 and had practice from 2:30 to 6. After practice, we would go back to the office and staff meet until 7 and then work on the gameplan (usually until 8:30 or 9). The gameplan meetings would consist of him pulling up film for the first time and watching the same couple clips 15 or 20 times each before he decided to keep the gameplan pretty much the same as it was the week before, regardless of what anybody else thought we should run.
I knew what I was getting into when I became a college football coach, and I had GA'd under this coach before, so I knew what to expect from him. I would have been perfectly fine with working 16 hour days if we had 16 hours worth of work to do, but it was the fact that we would take 10 hours of work and stretch it out over 16 hours that really got to me. I'm not sure if it was laziness or the idea that "this is what you do in college football," but it was a waste of time, and ultimately was a key reason why I got out of college ball.
It wasn't all bad. The HC was an excellent leader of men and he really took care of his players and his assistants, but he wasn't a great OC before he got a head job and he got even worse after he had HC responsibilities on top of it. I think it all would've worked out much better if he had given up the OC title and just coached a position.
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Post by CoachSP on Feb 23, 2023 11:38:36 GMT -6
Yes, the man in the big chair has final say.
However, I have worked for a few guys that take advantage of that final say:
-Not dismissing the staff in a timely manner after all the kids' rides have come and gone (we were just BSing and the HC probably didn't want to go home)
-Stretching the work week out.
-Drawing new plays or variations of existing plays the morning of game day, installing said play during PE, and being mad that it didn't work during the game.
-Wants help but doesn't delegate.
-Wants staff to take initiative, but would complain if we didn't do it his way (We never got an explanation of what "his way" was)..No win situation.
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Post by tripsclosed on Feb 23, 2023 12:30:25 GMT -6
Drawing new plays or variations of existing plays the morning of game day, installing said play during PE, and being mad that it didn't work during the game. This happens even beyond drawing up new plays the morning of game day. This is the way I see it: 1st, you figure out how many reps it takes the average player on your roster to get good, not necessarily great, just good, at a play (it's going to be somewhat arbitrary and will vary from player to player, just a rough estimate). That's your rubric/standard/metric. Then, look at each play you install. Whether that play being successful hinges on only 2 players executing, or even most or all of the players on the field executing, have the players gotten the minimum number of reps needed to get good at a play, with that play? If no, then you can't get upset when it doesn't work. I don't understand why someone would rep a play less than it takes to get good at it, and then expect it to just magically work in the game. Just logic and common sense, man. đđ
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Post by MICoach on Feb 23, 2023 12:45:30 GMT -6
-Drawing new plays or variations of existing plays the morning of game day, installing said play during PE, and being mad that it didn't work during the game. This is the worst...
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Post by CS on Feb 23, 2023 18:15:20 GMT -6
My last year coaching college ball, I was at a D3 school where the HC was the OC and also coached the QBs (he had been a career OL coach before becoming HC). We would staff meet at 5 to watch practice film from the previous day, lift and position meet from 6 to 8, meet as a staff until about 9:30, put together the practice plan for the day until 10:15 and then he would hang out with head coaches of other sports, scroll through Twitter, and take a 2 hour lunch every day while we broke down film for the next week's opponent and recruited. We had our daily special teams meeting at 2 and had practice from 2:30 to 6. After practice, we would go back to the office and staff meet until 7 and then work on the gameplan (usually until 8:30 or 9). The gameplan meetings would consist of him pulling up film for the first time and watching the same couple clips 15 or 20 times each before he decided to keep the gameplan pretty much the same as it was the week before, regardless of what anybody else thought we should run. I knew what I was getting into when I became a college football coach, and I had GA'd under this coach before, so I knew what to expect from him. I would have been perfectly fine with working 16 hour days if we had 16 hours worth of work to do, but it was the fact that we would take 10 hours of work and stretch it out over 16 hours that really got to me. I'm not sure if it was laziness or the idea that "this is what you do in college football," but it was a waste of time, and ultimately was a key reason why I got out of college ball. It wasn't all bad. The HC was an excellent leader of men and he really took care of his players and his assistants, but he wasn't a great OC before he got a head job and he got even worse after he had HC responsibilities on top of it. I think it all would've worked out much better if he had given up the OC title and just coached a position. I worked for a guy like this. It was like we HAD to stay until 6:30 in season even though we were sitting around doing nothing for a good 45 min. I only have one true gripe and itâs when people waste my time. Thatâs not exclusive to HCs. If the work is done go the fuk home if you want. If you want to bull$hit thatâs on you.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 24, 2023 10:54:09 GMT -6
I only have one true gripe and itâs when people waste my time. Thatâs not exclusive to HCs. If the work is done go the fuk home if you want. If you want to bull$hit thatâs on you. THIS!!! Worked for a head coach that would talk forever!! That is no fun for anyone.
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Post by olcoach53 on Feb 24, 2023 11:24:55 GMT -6
My last year coaching college ball, I was at a D3 school where the HC was the OC and also coached the QBs (he had been a career OL coach before becoming HC). We would staff meet at 5 to watch practice film from the previous day, lift and position meet from 6 to 8, meet as a staff until about 9:30, put together the practice plan for the day until 10:15 and then he would hang out with head coaches of other sports, scroll through Twitter, and take a 2 hour lunch every day while we broke down film for the next week's opponent and recruited. We had our daily special teams meeting at 2 and had practice from 2:30 to 6. After practice, we would go back to the office and staff meet until 7 and then work on the gameplan (usually until 8:30 or 9). The gameplan meetings would consist of him pulling up film for the first time and watching the same couple clips 15 or 20 times each before he decided to keep the gameplan pretty much the same as it was the week before, regardless of what anybody else thought we should run. I knew what I was getting into when I became a college football coach, and I had GA'd under this coach before, so I knew what to expect from him. I would have been perfectly fine with working 16 hour days if we had 16 hours worth of work to do, but it was the fact that we would take 10 hours of work and stretch it out over 16 hours that really got to me. I'm not sure if it was laziness or the idea that "this is what you do in college football," but it was a waste of time, and ultimately was a key reason why I got out of college ball. It wasn't all bad. The HC was an excellent leader of men and he really took care of his players and his assistants, but he wasn't a great OC before he got a head job and he got even worse after he had HC responsibilities on top of it. I think it all would've worked out much better if he had given up the OC title and just coached a position. I am having PTSD reading this thread. Worked for a very similar guy except he was NOT an excellent leader of men and did NOT take care of his players or assistants...so that made it all worse.
Oh, the stories I have from 6 months will last me a lifetime.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 24, 2023 11:39:30 GMT -6
I wasn't very good at many HC duties. But, I made sure I didn't waste anyone's time with unnecessary meetings or other bullchit. So much of what needs to be done can be handled from home, on a tablet or computer. One face to face meeting on Sundays that lasted a maximum of 90 minutes.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 24, 2023 11:41:50 GMT -6
IMO- the worst thing a HC can do to his assistants is waste their time. Second worst is micro manage their area of expertise.
I have many stories about both, but not a lot of time today.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 24, 2023 12:33:53 GMT -6
Here's a "red flag" story that was an omen for an exceptionally awful season.
I'd just been hired as a program's DC and we were running a youth camp in the summer. I was coaching the DBs and we were doing a back-pedal/t-step/ rally to the ball progression of drills.
Some random dude interrupted me in the middle of teaching. "I used to coach here and my boy is playing safety at Blue Mountain State. He has a better way of doing this. They need to chop their feet, not t-step." I quietly told him to go away as it was my drill to run. But, he and his kid hung around and coached kids that weren't in the drill. I was new and didn't want to cause a scene so I just let it go.
I approached the HC about it later and he told me that a) everyone was allowed to coach at camp and b) I needed to be open to "college" ideas.
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Post by tripsclosed on Feb 24, 2023 16:26:26 GMT -6
Here's a "red flag" story that was an omen for an exceptionally awful season. I'd just been hired as a program's DC and we were running a youth camp in the summer. I was coaching the DBs and we were doing a back-pedal/t-step/ rally to the ball progression of drills. Some random dude interrupted me in the middle of teaching. "I used to coach here and my boy is playing safety at Blue Mountain State. He has a better way of doing this. They need to chop their feet, not t-step." I quietly told him to go away as it was my drill to run. But, he and his kid hung around and coached kids that weren't in the drill. I was new and didn't want to cause a scene so I just let it go. I approached the HC about it later and he told me that a) everyone was allowed to coach at camp and b) I needed to be open to "college" ideas. I had hopes the HC was going to tell you to tell them to F off next time, then i remembered the subject of this thread lol
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Post by tripsclosed on Feb 24, 2023 16:27:34 GMT -6
My last year coaching college ball, I was at a D3 school where the HC was the OC and also coached the QBs (he had been a career OL coach before becoming HC). We would staff meet at 5 to watch practice film from the previous day, lift and position meet from 6 to 8, meet as a staff until about 9:30, put together the practice plan for the day until 10:15 and then he would hang out with head coaches of other sports, scroll through Twitter, and take a 2 hour lunch every day while we broke down film for the next week's opponent and recruited. We had our daily special teams meeting at 2 and had practice from 2:30 to 6. After practice, we would go back to the office and staff meet until 7 and then work on the gameplan (usually until 8:30 or 9). The gameplan meetings would consist of him pulling up film for the first time and watching the same couple clips 15 or 20 times each before he decided to keep the gameplan pretty much the same as it was the week before, regardless of what anybody else thought we should run. I knew what I was getting into when I became a college football coach, and I had GA'd under this coach before, so I knew what to expect from him. I would have been perfectly fine with working 16 hour days if we had 16 hours worth of work to do, but it was the fact that we would take 10 hours of work and stretch it out over 16 hours that really got to me. I'm not sure if it was laziness or the idea that "this is what you do in college football," but it was a waste of time, and ultimately was a key reason why I got out of college ball. It wasn't all bad. The HC was an excellent leader of men and he really took care of his players and his assistants, but he wasn't a great OC before he got a head job and he got even worse after he had HC responsibilities on top of it. I think it all would've worked out much better if he had given up the OC title and just coached a position. I am having PTSD reading this thread. Worked for a very similar guy except he was NOT an excellent leader of men and did NOT take care of his players or assistants...so that made it all worse.
Oh, the stories I have from 6 months will last me a lifetime.
Please share some of your stories, coach! Would like to hear them lol
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Post by coachcb on Feb 24, 2023 16:56:16 GMT -6
Here's a "red flag" story that was an omen for an exceptionally awful season. I'd just been hired as a program's DC and we were running a youth camp in the summer. I was coaching the DBs and we were doing a back-pedal/t-step/ rally to the ball progression of drills. Some random dude interrupted me in the middle of teaching. "I used to coach here and my boy is playing safety at Blue Mountain State. He has a better way of doing this. They need to chop their feet, not t-step." I quietly told him to go away as it was my drill to run. But, he and his kid hung around and coached kids that weren't in the drill. I was new and didn't want to cause a scene so I just let it go. I approached the HC about it later and he told me that a) everyone was allowed to coach at camp and b) I needed to be open to "college" ideas. I had hopes the HC was going to tell you to tell them to F off next time, then i remembered the subject of this thread lol
Two days later, we had the high school camp. The HC brought in a former high level college FBS LB to help out. I was teaching DBs how to play basic man-man coverage technique (five yards off, back pedal, key, break, etc...). The high level "helper" interrupted the drill because he also had a better way.
"Alright, you're gonna line up five yards deep and one yard inside of the WR. You need to find your run fit key, that's important here. Gotta have the run fit key... Don't backpedal at the snap, read your run key. If it's run, you're gonna come down hill and play the run. If it's pass, then you're going to get your eyes on the WR and match his route. Here, I'll show you what it looks like on air."
He bounces around like an an ADHD five year old who hasn't had his Ritalin, babbling the entire time. "I read run, BAM!, I redirect and make the play!". "I read pass, I look at the WR, he's running an out, BAM!, I chase the out. It's easy..."
I didn't interrupt him, given that the HC had brought him over to the drill to "help". He tried to set up a drill to replicate the skill and it was a disaster.
HC: "I want us teaching that technique this year." Me: "Coach... We can barely backpedal and read a WR's break. Much less make a run/pass read and then play man." HC: "Well, we don't have to backpedal now."
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Post by Defcord on Feb 24, 2023 18:52:11 GMT -6
I had hopes the HC was going to tell you to tell them to F off next time, then i remembered the subject of this thread lol
Two days later, we had the high school camp. The HC brought in a former high level college FBS LB to help out. I was teaching DBs how to play basic man-man coverage technique (five yards off, back pedal, key, break, etc...). The high level "helper" interrupted the drill because he also had a better way.
"Alright, you're gonna line up five yards deep and one yard inside of the WR. You need to find your run fit key, that's important here. Gotta have the run fit key... Don't backpedal at the snap, read your run key. If it's run, you're gonna come down hill and play the run. If it's pass, then you're going to get your eyes on the WR and match his route. Here, I'll show you what it looks like on air."
He bounces around like an an ADHD five year old who hasn't had his Ritalin, babbling the entire time. "I read run, BAM!, I redirect and make the play!". "I read pass, I look at the WR, he's running an out, BAM!, I chase the out. It's easy..."
I didn't interrupt him, given that the HC had brought him over to the drill to "help". He tried to set up a drill to replicate the skill and it was a disaster.
HC: "I want us teaching that technique this year." Me: "Coach... We can barely backpedal and read a WR's break. Much less make a run/pass read and then play man." HC: "Well, we don't have to backpedal now."
I bet that technique is stellar against play action game when your man defenders are bamming to the LOS on that run read and their receiver is streaking wide open, waving to his ugly girlfriend, waiting for the band to play and cheerleaders to start doing push-ups.
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Post by fantom on Feb 24, 2023 21:55:20 GMT -6
OK, my HC was my best friend and my time coaching there was mostly great but there were times hat he did things that would make us briefly miserable.
One time he got into visualization. He got the idea of, after our Thursday walk-through, taking the guys upstairs to a windowless room, turning off the lights and having them visualize the game in total silence. At first it wasn't a big deal. The assistants stayed downstairs and hung out.
Then he decided that the assistants should come upstairs and join in. OK. He started off by talking them through what they should visualize then turned the lights off. For a few minutes it went fine. Then you could hear him breathing deeply and you could hear the kids getting restless.
Then he started snoring. The restlessness became more obvious until got hit in the head with a paper wad.
Thankfully he soon decided that it wasn't working. I coached there for 23 years and loved almost all of it but not that.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 24, 2023 22:24:23 GMT -6
OK, my HC was my best friend and my time coaching there was mostly great but there were times hat he did things that would make us briefly miserable. One time he got into visualization. He got the idea of, after our Thursday walk-through, taking the guys upstairs to a windowless room, turning off the lights and having them visualize the game in total silence. At first it wasn't a big deal. The assistants stayed downstairs and hung out. Then he decided that the assistants should come upstairs and join in. OK. He started off by talking them through what they should visualize then turned the lights off. For a few minutes it went fine. Then you could hear him breathing deeply and you could hear the kids getting restless. Then he started snoring. The restlessness became more obvious until got hit in the head with a paper wad. Thankfully he soon decided that it wasn't working. I coached there for 23 years and loved almost all of it but not that. Our wrestling coach used to have is do that at the end of practice. I fell asleep every time.
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Feb 25, 2023 5:40:51 GMT -6
He bounces around like an an ADHD five year old who hasn't had his Ritalin, babbling the entire time. "I read run, BAM!, I redirect and make the play!". "I read pass, I look at the WR, he's running an out, BAM!, I chase the out. It's easy..." Didn't know Emeril Lagasse played FBS LB.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 25, 2023 5:58:43 GMT -6
Two days later, we had the high school camp. The HC brought in a former high level college FBS LB to help out. I was teaching DBs how to play basic man-man coverage technique (five yards off, back pedal, key, break, etc...). The high level "helper" interrupted the drill because he also had a better way.
"Alright, you're gonna line up five yards deep and one yard inside of the WR. You need to find your run fit key, that's important here. Gotta have the run fit key... Don't backpedal at the snap, read your run key. If it's run, you're gonna come down hill and play the run. If it's pass, then you're going to get your eyes on the WR and match his route. Here, I'll show you what it looks like on air."
He bounces around like an an ADHD five year old who hasn't had his Ritalin, babbling the entire time. "I read run, BAM!, I redirect and make the play!". "I read pass, I look at the WR, he's running an out, BAM!, I chase the out. It's easy..."
I didn't interrupt him, given that the HC had brought him over to the drill to "help". He tried to set up a drill to replicate the skill and it was a disaster.
HC: "I want us teaching that technique this year." Me: "Coach... We can barely backpedal and read a WR's break. Much less make a run/pass read and then play man." HC: "Well, we don't have to backpedal now."
I bet that technique is stellar against play action game when your man defenders are bamming to the LOS on that run read and their receiver is streaking wide open, waving to his ugly girlfriend, waiting for the band to play and cheerleaders to start doing push-ups. These two situations were the Ghost Of Chitty Season To Come and the Ghost of Chittier Politics To Deal With. This man-man technique was the first of many one-one closed doors "discussions" he and I had for the next three months. But, this was the only time I refused to do something his way. I made it clear that this technique wouldn't be taught while I was DC, full stop. This was the start of a bad relationship and season that damaged my professional reputation for a time.
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Post by CS on Feb 25, 2023 7:05:35 GMT -6
I bet that technique is stellar against play action game when your man defenders are bamming to the LOS on that run read and their receiver is streaking wide open, waving to his ugly girlfriend, waiting for the band to play and cheerleaders to start doing push-ups. These two situations were the Ghost Of Chitty Season To Come and the Ghost of Chittier Politics To Deal With. This man-man technique was the first of many one-one closed doors "discussions" he and I had for the next three months. But, this was the only time I refused to do something his way. I made it clear that this technique wouldn't be taught while I was DC, full stop. This was the start of a bad relationship and season that damaged my professional reputation for a time. Yeah itâs not wise to tell the HC that you refuse to do something unless itâs ethically wrong I had to play this kid one time for a few plays in a game because the HC wanted him on the field somewhere and he was too dumb to play O. Kid looked like an animal but played like sh!t. We all knew he was going to flop but what the man wants the man gets. It took around 3 plays for the HC wanting him out and thatâs the last I heard of it
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 25, 2023 7:16:20 GMT -6
1. The HC says this is the way we have always done it, and it surrounded by a bunch of yes men who nod in agreement. 2. The the HC doesn't listen to his assistants or let them coach. 3. The HC doens't watch film or enough film to know what is going on in all phases of the game. 4. The HC is unprepared for practice.
Those are the kinds of things that would make me miserable a coach.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 25, 2023 7:37:13 GMT -6
These two situations were the Ghost Of Chitty Season To Come and the Ghost of Chittier Politics To Deal With. This man-man technique was the first of many one-one closed doors "discussions" he and I had for the next three months. But, this was the only time I refused to do something his way. I made it clear that this technique wouldn't be taught while I was DC, full stop. This was the start of a bad relationship and season that damaged my professional reputation for a time. Yeah itâs not wise to tell the HC that you refuse to do something unless itâs ethically wrong I had to play this kid one time for a few plays in a game because the HC wanted him on the field somewhere and he was too dumb to play O. Kid looked like an animal but played like sh!t. We all knew he was going to flop but what the man wants the man gets. It took around 3 plays for the HC wanting him out and thatâs the last I heard of it Had a situation like that once. A senior came out that had never played before. Kid looked like a million bucks but was really bad at football. It just never connected. He was a DB and Coach kept saying letâs give him a shot. I was always like Coach he gets a shot at practice four days a week and canât do anything on scout team that looks anything like real football. A couple games in HC says âput him in now, he has to be better than what we have out there.â First play gives up a deep ball for a touchdown. Head coach âwell that suckedâŚâ Yes it did sir let me know when I can put our real guys back in. âNow, please.â Yes sir. I understand when a kid looks great you want to give him a shot but if the kid has any hope we wouldâve seen signs of it at practice and then couldâve worked him in on special teams to see him In game action. Those are boxes to me that you check before just throwing a guy in. But as you said what the man wants he gets.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 25, 2023 8:06:08 GMT -6
Two days later, we had the high school camp. The HC brought in a former high level college FBS LB to help out. I was teaching DBs how to play basic man-man coverage technique (five yards off, back pedal, key, break, etc...). The high level "helper" interrupted the drill because he also had a better way.
"Alright, you're gonna line up five yards deep and one yard inside of the WR. You need to find your run fit key, that's important here. Gotta have the run fit key... Don't backpedal at the snap, read your run key. If it's run, you're gonna come down hill and play the run. If it's pass, then you're going to get your eyes on the WR and match his route. Here, I'll show you what it looks like on air."
He bounces around like an an ADHD five year old who hasn't had his Ritalin, babbling the entire time. "I read run, BAM!, I redirect and make the play!". "I read pass, I look at the WR, he's running an out, BAM!, I chase the out. It's easy..."
I didn't interrupt him, given that the HC had brought him over to the drill to "help". He tried to set up a drill to replicate the skill and it was a disaster.
HC: "I want us teaching that technique this year." Me: "Coach... We can barely backpedal and read a WR's break. Much less make a run/pass read and then play man." HC: "Well, we don't have to backpedal now."
I bet that technique is stellar against play action game when your man defenders are bamming to the LOS on that run read and their receiver is streaking wide open, waving to his ugly girlfriend, waiting for the band to play and cheerleaders to start doing push-ups. Here's the thing... The "technique" that the high-level college FBS LB was teaching those kids worked great for him because he was an elite athlete. For guys like that, technique doesn't matter because it isn't needed. The purpose of teaching players sound technique is that it provides an advantage for players of similar ability. Among players who have a similar ability level, the players with the most sound technique will be the best players. That is not true for freaks. They can simply out-athlete an opposing player who, regardless of that player's mastery of technique, is not as good of an athlete. That's why, generally speaking, the guys I have coached with who were elite, high-level players have often been lackluster coaches. Because they were great athletes, football was easy for them. So, once they became a coach, they would often be frustrated because they couldn't get kids to do things the way they did when they were a player.
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Post by CS on Feb 25, 2023 8:26:36 GMT -6
Yeah itâs not wise to tell the HC that you refuse to do something unless itâs ethically wrong I had to play this kid one time for a few plays in a game because the HC wanted him on the field somewhere and he was too dumb to play O. Kid looked like an animal but played like sh!t. We all knew he was going to flop but what the man wants the man gets. It took around 3 plays for the HC wanting him out and thatâs the last I heard of it Had a situation like that once. A senior came out that had never played before. Kid looked like a million bucks but was really bad at football. It just never connected. He was a DB and Coach kept saying letâs give him a shot. I was always like Coach he gets a shot at practice four days a week and canât do anything on scout team that looks anything like real football. A couple games in HC says âput him in now, he has to be better than what we have out there.â First play gives up a deep ball for a touchdown. Head coach âwell that suckedâŚâ Yes it did sir let me know when I can put our real guys back in. âNow, please.â Yes sir. I understand when a kid looks great you want to give him a shot but if the kid has any hope we wouldâve seen signs of it at practice and then couldâve worked him in on special teams to see him In game action. Those are boxes to me that you check before just throwing a guy in. But as you said what the man wants he gets. Same HC always said guys like him are the kind that get you fired standing on the sideline. Meaning he looks way too good not to be in the game. I think in the back of his mind he wanted him out there so if he had âconcernsâ from outside he had film to show them how atrocious the kid was
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Post by coachcb on Feb 25, 2023 10:01:18 GMT -6
These two situations were the Ghost Of Chitty Season To Come and the Ghost of Chittier Politics To Deal With. This man-man technique was the first of many one-one closed doors "discussions" he and I had for the next three months. But, this was the only time I refused to do something his way. I made it clear that this technique wouldn't be taught while I was DC, full stop. This was the start of a bad relationship and season that damaged my professional reputation for a time. Yeah itâs not wise to tell the HC that you refuse to do something unless itâs ethically wrong I had to play this kid one time for a few plays in a game because the HC wanted him on the field somewhere and he was too dumb to play O. Kid looked like an animal but played like sh!t. We all knew he was going to flop but what the man wants the man gets. It took around 3 plays for the HC wanting him out and thatâs the last I heard of it The other issue at play: 1. The defense was only getting a maximum of 30 minutes of practice time each day. He had told me the offense would get priority but that we'd get at least a half hour. That didn't happen: I was snagging the starters before practice and going through formation recognition so that we had some semblance of a defensive practice. 2. He wanted a base C3 defense and wanted to avoid man-man unless we were in the red zone or bringing 6-man pressure. He was quite clear about that when he laid out the defensive framework for me. Between those two factors, we didn't have the time to devote to that technique. I presented these issues along with the potential pitfalls of the technique ad nauseum. I didn't get obstinate until he started referring to the defense as "your defense" and the skill positions as "your DBs" or "your LBs". A few statements with those two phrases tossed in showed me I was going under the bus if the defense was bad so I figured I'd eat it. But, I didn't know just how bad it was going to be. We were awful that year, in all phases of the game. As the offense got worse, the defense lost more practice time and he started to muck with the scheme. It was clear that this was a no-win situation. So, he'd change something, I'd present my case and then we'd go with what he wanted. I asked for more practice time on a weekly basis, didn't get it and moved on. He and I never discussed this stuff in front of the staff as I didnt want it to get uglier than it already was. They were already on edge with everything and an argument in front of them wouldn't have helped. The assistants would come to me and gripe about the situation. I'd simply tell them that it was his show and we needed to try make it work. By the end of the year, all but one of the staff figured I was an incompetent coach. So, I walked away with three sets of tread marks: one from the HC, another from the community and the last set from the staff. The HC resigned and the staff member who was smart enough to see what happened between the HC and I took over the program. He asked me to come back and I agreed but I as long as I was only a position coach. We had a great season together with a brand new staff. The new HC has done great things with the program. I'd still be coaching for him but I needed to take a job closer to my folks as they're getting older.
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Post by bluboy on Feb 25, 2023 12:46:17 GMT -6
"...guys I have coached with who were elite, high-level players have often been lackluster coaches. Because they were great athletes, football was easy for them. So, once they became a coach, they would often be frustrated because they couldn't get kids to do things the way they did when they were a player." Totally agree.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 25, 2023 12:57:45 GMT -6
Once had a guy who had ELITE speed, like almost made the Olympics fast, tell our corners just stay in your backpedal until the receiver passes you, then turn and catch up. He didn't last long as a coach.
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Post by irishdog on Feb 25, 2023 20:23:50 GMT -6
Bad things I learned from HC's I worked for that helped me become a better HC for my staff: 1. Wasting time. 2 .Paralysis from over-analysis. 3. Talking but not listening. 4. Lecturing but not teaching. 5. Micro-managing, not trusting the coach HE hired. 6. Always barking, not mentoring.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 25, 2023 21:24:06 GMT -6
Once had a guy who had ELITE speed, like almost made the Olympics fast, tell our corners just stay in your backpedal until the receiver passes you, then turn and catch up. He didn't last long as a coach. Somtimes the really talented players do not make good coaches. When they have to teach a player how to do something, and the kid can't do it, they struggle because it came so naturally for them. This is not just head coaches but assistants too. It's like the math teacher saying to a student "how do you not get this?" For some kids it does not come easy. It takes a lot of reps to develop the skill.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 25, 2023 23:02:42 GMT -6
Well, firing me with 2 games left made me pretty miserable.
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