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Post by willydee1 on Sept 5, 2022 17:26:42 GMT -6
Been doing this for 10 years. I love every minute of it. But I became a dad in the last year and I have found that I am spending way more time raising other people’s kids than my own. The time commitment and the year round schedule is becoming a strain on my marriage.
I think it’s time to walk away. I honestly am not interested in staying in the classroom if I’m not coaching. I have never done anything else and have no clue what to do, how to even look for a 9-5, or how my skills as a coach can find me employment elsewhere.
Anyone else been through this? I could definitely use some advice.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 5, 2022 17:45:07 GMT -6
You've never had another job ever? Nothing in HS or college?
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Post by willydee1 on Sept 5, 2022 17:47:04 GMT -6
You've never had another job ever? Nothing in HS or college? Well, I worked a manual labor job in college for beer money, but that’s it! |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 5, 2022 18:25:29 GMT -6
What is your degree in?
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Post by agap on Sept 5, 2022 18:30:47 GMT -6
Is it that much of a difference to get done with practice at 5:30 or to get off work at 5:00?
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Post by chi5hi on Sept 5, 2022 20:25:32 GMT -6
Been doing this for 10 years. I love every minute of it. But I became a dad in the last year and I have found that I am spending way more time raising other people’s kids than my own. The time commitment and the year round schedule is becoming a strain on my marriage. I think it’s time to walk away. I honestly am not interested in staying in the classroom if I’m not coaching. I have never done anything else and have no clue what to do, how to even look for a 9-5, or how my skills as a coach can find me employment elsewhere. Anyone else been through this? I could definitely use some advice. If you're being tugged at from two different sides, you'll do neither of them much good if you do nothing. BTW...doing nothing is actually doing something. In a few years your children will be older and it may be then that you can come back. The game will always be here but the family may not be. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2022 20:27:35 GMT -6
Is it that much of a difference to get done with practice at 5:30 or to get off work at 5:00? Be wary of assuming that your time spent is the same as others. Some may run practice 4pm-6:15pm (which means you are getting out 6:30ish) Some staffs may be forced to "grind" and may meet to watch practice film, plan the next day's practice after. Some May have Frosh/JV until 8:30 one night a week, then Game night on Friday night, then practice/meeting Sat morning and maybe even meet on Sunday. willydee1 your problem seems to be that you choose your profession for the wrong reason. You went into education to coach--which is problematic because teaching pays your mortgage, coaching buys you pizza a few days a month. Keep this in mind though, how would teaching look if you are buzzing out at 3:30 with the rest, and your schedule matches your kids? That said, search google. Since the great resignation and COVID, I am betting there will be many articles/sites dedicated to helping teachers find other employment. |
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Post by willydee1 on Sept 6, 2022 6:24:57 GMT -6
B.A in History and Masters in Sport Science |
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Post by willydee1 on Sept 6, 2022 6:31:38 GMT -6
Is it that much of a difference to get done with practice at 5:30 or to get off work at 5:00? Be wary of assuming that your time spent is the same as others. Some may run practice 4pm-6:15pm (which means you are getting out 6:30ish) Some staffs may be forced to "grind" and may meet to watch practice film, plan the next day's practice after. Some May have Frosh/JV until 8:30 one night a week, then Game night on Friday night, then practice/meeting Sat morning and maybe even meet on Sunday. willydee1 your problem seems to be that you choose your profession for the wrong reason. You went into education to coach--which is problematic because teaching pays your mortgage, coaching buys you pizza a few days a month. Keep this in mind though, how would teaching look if you are buzzing out at 3:30 with the rest, and your schedule matches your kids? That said, search google. Since the great resignation and COVID, I am betting there will be many articles/sites dedicated to helping teachers find other employment. 10 years ago I enjoyed teaching. The kids are awesome. The flavor of the month initiatives and constant time wasters burned me out. Burnout definitely might be better with that kind of schedule though. I will definitely check out Google. |
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Post by 60zgo on Sept 6, 2022 8:42:42 GMT -6
So after my first HC job I was burnt out. Took an assistant job for a year and my daughter was born. Then I left teaching and coaching entirely for a year.
It was awesome and was the best decision I have ever made.
Worked in real estate advertising and learned some new skills. Spent tons of time with my newborn daughter that I hadn't with my other kids. Most importantly it gave me a fresh perspective on teaching/coaching. Why was I actually doing it? I had become a miserable teacher/coach prior to that time off. Time away from the whole thing gave me an amazing perspective.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 6, 2022 9:43:06 GMT -6
I thought about stepping away a few times. It took me a little bit but I realized that I was happiest working in smaller schools. Trying to teach 150+ kids and coach was burning me out in a hurry. Even working with the junior high in larger schools had my nerves frayed. I take a pay cut working in smaller schools but it's absolutely worth it to me. Might be something to consider.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 6, 2022 12:37:41 GMT -6
Go ahead and walk away from the coaching but DO NOT walk away from the teaching until you find a new job. If you're tenured, they can't do anything to you for stepping down from coaching. You've put your time in; it's not like you're a guy who stopped coaching at year 3 after you got tenure.
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Post by fantom on Sept 6, 2022 12:43:16 GMT -6
Be wary of assuming that your time spent is the same as others. Some may run practice 4pm-6:15pm (which means you are getting out 6:30ish) Some staffs may be forced to "grind" and may meet to watch practice film, plan the next day's practice after. Some May have Frosh/JV until 8:30 one night a week, then Game night on Friday night, then practice/meeting Sat morning and maybe even meet on Sunday. willydee1 your problem seems to be that you choose your profession for the wrong reason. You went into education to coach--which is problematic because teaching pays your mortgage, coaching buys you pizza a few days a month. Keep this in mind though, how would teaching look if you are buzzing out at 3:30 with the rest, and your schedule matches your kids? That said, search google. Since the great resignation and COVID, I am betting there will be many articles/sites dedicated to helping teachers find other employment. 10 years ago I enjoyed teaching. The kids are awesome. The flavor of the month initiatives and constant time wasters burned me out. Burnout definitely might be better with that kind of schedule though. I will definitely check out Google. Don't assume that whatever job that you make get won't have the same amount of BS. Different BS maybe but all jobs have it. |
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Post by blb on Sept 6, 2022 12:48:41 GMT -6
Go ahead and walk away from the coaching but DO NOT walk away from the teaching until you find a new job. If you're tenured, they can't do anything to you for stepping down from coaching. You've put your time in; it's not like you're a guy who stopped coaching at year 3 after you got tenure. It's always easier to get a job when you've got a job. So never quit a job until you've got another. |
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Post by willydee1 on Sept 6, 2022 12:56:02 GMT -6
Go ahead and walk away from the coaching but DO NOT walk away from the teaching until you find a new job. If you're tenured, they can't do anything to you for stepping down from coaching. You've put your time in; it's not like you're a guy who stopped coaching at year 3 after you got tenure. It's always easier to get a job when you've got a job. So never quit a job until you've got another. I'm in a right to work state, but you fellas might be able to answer this question better than me. If I do walk away, I want to have the ability to come back later if I so decide. I probably shouldn't break my teaching contract, right? At the same time, that's a pretty short window to job hunt. Contracts go out in late spring and they expect you to have it signed in a month or less. Do districts usually go after your license if you break contracts? Or is that more of a threat? I don't want to leave anyone teacherless, but if I gotta make a choice I am going to put my family and I first. |
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Post by coachlit on Sept 6, 2022 16:51:54 GMT -6
I believe it depends on the state.
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Post by Defcord on Sept 6, 2022 17:01:02 GMT -6
It's always easier to get a job when you've got a job. So never quit a job until you've got another. I'm in a right to work state, but you fellas might be able to answer this question better than me. If I do walk away, I want to have the ability to come back later if I so decide. I probably shouldn't break my teaching contract, right? At the same time, that's a pretty short window to job hunt. Contracts go out in late spring and they expect you to have it signed in a month or less. Do districts usually go after your license if you break contracts? Or is that more of a threat? I don't want to leave anyone teacherless, but if I gotta make a choice I am going to put my family and I first. I think all of the states I worked in the penalty for breaking it was 30 day suspension but I’ve never seen anyone got with the penalty. If you are getting out of education for stretch it probably wouldn’t kill your license for a transition back in a year or more later. I’ve seen many teachers leave after contracts were signed and it was never an issues except one lady who quit the last day of pre planning the Friday before students showed up. They weren’t real happy with her. But she is teaching again somewhere so it wasn’t career suicide. The funniest contract story is a guy I know who they were trying to fire as a coach and teacher. He found another job and when he went to resign the principal wouldn’t accept his resignation because it was after contracts were signed. People are silly! |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 6, 2022 19:05:27 GMT -6
It's always easier to get a job when you've got a job. So never quit a job until you've got another. I'm in a right to work state, but you fellas might be able to answer this question better than me. If I do walk away, I want to have the ability to come back later if I so decide. I probably shouldn't break my teaching contract, right? At the same time, that's a pretty short window to job hunt. Contracts go out in late spring and they expect you to have it signed in a month or less. Do districts usually go after your license if you break contracts? Or is that more of a threat? I don't want to leave anyone teacherless, but if I gotta make a choice I am going to put my family and I first. SC is a right to work state. The basics for here are you are to give 'heads up' for the district of some kind usually in late fall/winter - I want to return in some function - I want to retire - I don't want to work here any more - etc... So that the district can start calculating contracts and hiring needs. Then contracts come out at various time depending on the districts in the spring.... I'd have to check but I think the 15 day window is a state requirement, but when the clock starts is district dependent. I've only heard of extreme circumstances where an Admin/district tried to hold someone to their contract if they tried to get out of it as long as it wasn't right before the start of school. I've always heard that the hard line is 30 days before the kids report in the fall. The thing is from what I've studied (again in SC) is that the standard teacher contract is so vague that it it really doesn't hold any water in the strictest legal sense. In the contract there is no mention of what your salary will be, no mention of what you job assignment will be, nor any mention of what school you will be working at. The only specific things mentions are how days of work for which you'll be paid, you're expected to follow district guidelines, you'll meet St Dept of Ed licensing requirements. I would think signing that early contract gives you some wiggle room, but then again you can always put that out there in the new job search. Another thing to consider is your state's licensing requirements; if you're looking to maybe get back in be sure to keep a breast of what leaving teaching all together will do for that. I've walked away from several coaching contracts b/c of getting another football job. I never had any problems with being released. I've taken new jobs as late as the middle of July twice and never had any push back. Maybe I've just worked in good places, but in reality does an Admin want to force a teacher to work in place that don't want to be in? Plus with all the teacher shortages, a lot of places are taking any warm bodies they can get. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 6, 2022 20:21:57 GMT -6
Be wary of assuming that your time spent is the same as others. Some may run practice 4pm-6:15pm (which means you are getting out 6:30ish) Some staffs may be forced to "grind" and may meet to watch practice film, plan the next day's practice after. Some May have Frosh/JV until 8:30 one night a week, then Game night on Friday night, then practice/meeting Sat morning and maybe even meet on Sunday. willydee1 your problem seems to be that you choose your profession for the wrong reason. You went into education to coach--which is problematic because teaching pays your mortgage, coaching buys you pizza a few days a month. Keep this in mind though, how would teaching look if you are buzzing out at 3:30 with the rest, and your schedule matches your kids? That said, search google. Since the great resignation and COVID, I am betting there will be many articles/sites dedicated to helping teachers find other employment. 10 years ago I enjoyed teaching. The kids are awesome. The flavor of the month initiatives and constant time wasters burned me out. Burnout definitely might be better with that kind of schedule though. I will definitely check out Google. I definitely understand your frustration on that matter. I tell all the young student teachers---NO! THIS IS A BAD IDEA! DO SOMETHING ELSE. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Sept 6, 2022 22:03:44 GMT -6
10 years ago I enjoyed teaching. The kids are awesome. The flavor of the month initiatives and constant time wasters burned me out. Burnout definitely might be better with that kind of schedule though. I will definitely check out Google. I definitely understand your frustration on that matter. I tell all the young student teachers---NO! THIS IS A BAD IDEA! DO SOMETHING ELSE. Coach, if no one teaches, who educates future generations? Do we just let our society implode? I know it's more nuanced than that, just asking. |
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Post by blb on Sept 7, 2022 6:21:32 GMT -6
I definitely understand your frustration on that matter. I tell all the young student teachers---NO! THIS IS A BAD IDEA! DO SOMETHING ELSE. Coach, if no one teaches, who educates future generations? Do we just let our society implode? I know it's more nuanced than that, just asking. Classroom teachers will be obsolute in the not-too-distant future. All instruction will be via video or online. |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 7, 2022 6:39:17 GMT -6
Coach, if no one teaches, who educates future generations? Do we just let our society implode? I know it's more nuanced than that, just asking. Classroom teachers will be obsolute in the not-too-distant future. All instruction will be via video or online. Judging by how that experiment went over lockdowns, I don't see this happening soon. |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 7, 2022 6:40:32 GMT -6
I definitely understand your frustration on that matter. I tell all the young student teachers---NO! THIS IS A BAD IDEA! DO SOMETHING ELSE. Coach, if no one teaches, who educates future generations? Do we just let our society implode? I know it's more nuanced than that, just asking. We're letting it implode in every other realm. Why get terrible pay, long hours, terrible benefits and all the blame for it? |
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Post by tripsclosed on Sept 7, 2022 8:11:40 GMT -6
Coach, if no one teaches, who educates future generations? Do we just let our society implode? I know it's more nuanced than that, just asking. We're letting it implode in every other realm. Why get terrible pay, long hours, terrible benefits and all the blame for it? 😄😄😄 |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 7, 2022 9:35:13 GMT -6
Things that keep me teaching:
1. Small class sizes.
2. Administrators that leave me alone and back me up.
3. Communities that either leave me alone or back me up.
4. Minimal bureaucracy/extra bullchit.
I've landed at a school that nails all four. Unfortunately, football isn't a high priority for the community. But, football doesn't pay my bills.
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Post by tabs52 on Sept 7, 2022 10:25:37 GMT -6
Been doing this for 10 years. I love every minute of it. But I became a dad in the last year and I have found that I am spending way more time raising other people’s kids than my own. The time commitment and the year round schedule is becoming a strain on my marriage. I think it’s time to walk away. I honestly am not interested in staying in the classroom if I’m not coaching. I have never done anything else and have no clue what to do, how to even look for a 9-5, or how my skills as a coach can find me employment elsewhere. Anyone else been through this? I could definitely use some advice. Coach Was passed over this past year for the HC at the school I teach. Was ready for it to be my time, when I was not hired I decided to step away. Had numerous offers from other schools but needed the break. I have four kids, and have coached for 12 years at the same school. I had the best summer of my life, never realized the amount I was truly absent in my kids life because of football. Not saying I will never go back, but a year off is exactly what I needed |
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Post by fantom on Sept 7, 2022 10:28:40 GMT -6
Coach, if no one teaches, who educates future generations? Do we just let our society implode? I know it's more nuanced than that, just asking. Classroom teachers will be obsolute in the not-too-distant future. All instruction will be via video or online. I don't think that's true. I didn't believe it before but after the public's experience with distance learning during covid I really doubt that the public has any appetite for distance learning. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 7, 2022 10:31:58 GMT -6
I definitely understand your frustration on that matter. I tell all the young student teachers---NO! THIS IS A BAD IDEA! DO SOMETHING ELSE. Coach, if no one teaches, who educates future generations? Do we just let our society implode? I know it's more nuanced than that, just asking. That's a question for local and state governments to answer. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 7, 2022 10:36:08 GMT -6
Classroom teachers will be obsolute in the not-too-distant future. All instruction will be via video or online. I don't think that's true. I didn't believe it before but after the public's experience with distance learning during covid I really doubt that the public has any appetite for distance learning.
I agree, 100%. Remote learning was a disaster, across the board. Any teacher that claims it was more successful than face-to-face instruction is full of chit. I know a lot of districts are messing around with either hybrid or complete online learning within the classroom but the vote is still out. My cousin is a middle school science teacher in a school that went 100% online. He and his colleagues ended up jury-rigging the curriculum with more traditional instruction because the kids were falling behind.
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Post by willydee1 on Sept 7, 2022 10:46:02 GMT -6
Been doing this for 10 years. I love every minute of it. But I became a dad in the last year and I have found that I am spending way more time raising other people’s kids than my own. The time commitment and the year round schedule is becoming a strain on my marriage. I think it’s time to walk away. I honestly am not interested in staying in the classroom if I’m not coaching. I have never done anything else and have no clue what to do, how to even look for a 9-5, or how my skills as a coach can find me employment elsewhere. Anyone else been through this? I could definitely use some advice. Coach Was passed over this past year for the HC at the school I teach. Was ready for it to be my time, when I was not hired I decided to step away. Had numerous offers from other schools but needed the break. I have four kids, and have coached for 12 years at the same school. I had the best summer of my life, never realized the amount I was truly absent in my kids life because of football. Not saying I will never go back, but a year off is exactly what I needed That's what I am thinking. Hard to say I can't be happy doing anything but coaching when I have never done anything else! My hang up is the next step! I have no idea how any of this works! |
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