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Post by fantom on Sept 7, 2022 10:51:31 GMT -6
Coach Was passed over this past year for the HC at the school I teach. Was ready for it to be my time, when I was not hired I decided to step away. Had numerous offers from other schools but needed the break. I have four kids, and have coached for 12 years at the same school. I had the best summer of my life, never realized the amount I was truly absent in my kids life because of football. Not saying I will never go back, but a year off is exactly what I needed That's what I am thinking. Hard to say I can't be happy doing anything but coaching when I have never done anything else! My hang up is the next step! I have no idea how any of this works! You may consider taking a year where you just teach and don't coach. You may find that you like it once the stress of coaching is removed. If nothing else it gives you time to figure out what you want to do. |
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Post by irishdog on Sept 7, 2022 10:59:00 GMT -6
Been doing this for 10 years. I love every minute of it. But I became a dad in the last year and I have found that I am spending way more time raising other people’s kids than my own. The time commitment and the year round schedule is becoming a strain on my marriage. I think it’s time to walk away. I honestly am not interested in staying in the classroom if I’m not coaching. I have never done anything else and have no clue what to do, how to even look for a 9-5, or how my skills as a coach can find me employment elsewhere. Anyone else been through this? I could definitely use some advice. Where do you work? State? Similar thing happened to me. Started out in a tiny private school back east, but needed to make a better living for my family. Took a job in a public school in the midwest for a few years. HFC, and teaching. Loved coaching, but not fond of teaching at that particular school, and hardly ever spent time with my family. Eventually resigned my coaching gig. Sucked it up and stayed on as a teacher at that school for a couple more years, and indicated on my intent letter in April that I would not be returning. In the meantime I looked for jobs in other public schools without much success. But, a small private school contacted me to interview as an assistant coach and teacher. Never worked for a public school again and never looked back. Realized that no matter what I would never get rich being a teacher and coach. I thoroughly enjoyed teaching and coaching again. Retired from teaching 5 years ago but still coached for a few more years until fully retiring this year, and may I add comfortably retired. Did I take a chance? Yes. Was it a risk? Yes. But then again what about life isn't a risk? |
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Post by tripsclosed on Sept 7, 2022 11:31:20 GMT -6
Coach, if no one teaches, who educates future generations? Do we just let our society implode? I know it's more nuanced than that, just asking. That's a question for local and state governments to answer. If everyone says "No thanks, I'm good" to the idea of being a teacher, as far as I can figure, the government's only 3 solutions are 1) strictly online systems; 2) planned economy (i.e. socialist or communist-style appointing some people to be teachers regardless of whether they want to be or not; 3) pay people so much the hassle becomes worth it. Did I miss any? |
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Post by fantom on Sept 7, 2022 11:54:58 GMT -6
That's a question for local and state governments to answer. If everyone says "No thanks, I'm good" to the idea of being a teacher, as far as I can figure, the government's only 3 solutions are 1) strictly online systems; 2) planned economy (i.e. socialist or communist-style appointing some people to be teachers regardless of whether they want to be or not; 3) pay people so much the hassle becomes worth it. Did I miss any? It's like any other job- if you want people to do it make it more attractive or, at least, less unattractive. |
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Post by willydee1 on Sept 7, 2022 14:39:23 GMT -6
Been doing this for 10 years. I love every minute of it. But I became a dad in the last year and I have found that I am spending way more time raising other people’s kids than my own. The time commitment and the year round schedule is becoming a strain on my marriage. I think it’s time to walk away. I honestly am not interested in staying in the classroom if I’m not coaching. I have never done anything else and have no clue what to do, how to even look for a 9-5, or how my skills as a coach can find me employment elsewhere. Anyone else been through this? I could definitely use some advice. Where do you work? State? Similar thing happened to me. Started out in a tiny private school back east, but needed to make a better living for my family. Took a job in a public school in the midwest for a few years. HFC, and teaching. Loved coaching, but not fond of teaching at that particular school, and hardly ever spent time with my family. Eventually resigned my coaching gig. Sucked it up and stayed on as a teacher at that school for a couple more years, and indicated on my intent letter in April that I would not be returning. In the meantime I looked for jobs in other public schools without much success. But, a small private school contacted me to interview as an assistant coach and teacher. Never worked for a public school again and never looked back. Realized that no matter what I would never get rich being a teacher and coach. I thoroughly enjoyed teaching and coaching again. Retired from teaching 5 years ago but still coached for a few more years until fully retiring this year, and may I add comfortably retired. Did I take a chance? Yes. Was it a risk? Yes. But then again what about life isn't a risk? I work in South Carolina. One of my thoughts was trying a smaller school/private school as a position or JV coach. Giving up the coordinator stress may free up my off season and weekends at the very least. It could be a good compromise. |
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Post by Defcord on Sept 7, 2022 17:35:46 GMT -6
Where do you work? State? Similar thing happened to me. Started out in a tiny private school back east, but needed to make a better living for my family. Took a job in a public school in the midwest for a few years. HFC, and teaching. Loved coaching, but not fond of teaching at that particular school, and hardly ever spent time with my family. Eventually resigned my coaching gig. Sucked it up and stayed on as a teacher at that school for a couple more years, and indicated on my intent letter in April that I would not be returning. In the meantime I looked for jobs in other public schools without much success. But, a small private school contacted me to interview as an assistant coach and teacher. Never worked for a public school again and never looked back. Realized that no matter what I would never get rich being a teacher and coach. I thoroughly enjoyed teaching and coaching again. Retired from teaching 5 years ago but still coached for a few more years until fully retiring this year, and may I add comfortably retired. Did I take a chance? Yes. Was it a risk? Yes. But then again what about life isn't a risk? I work in South Carolina. One of my thoughts was trying a smaller school/private school as a position or JV coach. Giving up the coordinator stress may free up my off season and weekends at the very least. It could be a good compromise. I work at a small school in South Carolina. My 9 to 5 job is the best I’ve had in twenty years teaching. I was here and left for a bigger job. I turned down a lot of big jobs to get back because the teaching gig and the opportunity for my son to play multiple sports and be involved in a multitude of activities. The small school life is pretty great. Not perfect but there’s a lot of benefits. Pay is not one of them. But common sense decision making and easy teaching gig are both huge benefits. |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 7, 2022 17:42:25 GMT -6
That's a question for local and state governments to answer. If everyone says "No thanks, I'm good" to the idea of being a teacher, as far as I can figure, the government's only 3 solutions are 1) strictly online systems; 2) planned economy (i.e. socialist or communist-style appointing some people to be teachers regardless of whether they want to be or not; 3) pay people so much the hassle becomes worth it. Did I miss any? Right now, the solution a lot of places are attempting, is to let unlicensed people into the classroom. Which is a horrible idea, but they're just trying to get bodies in there, because, it ultimately doesn't matter to them, they just want to check the box on their forms. We have a local district that will not hire full time teachers for positions, but is instead filling them with subs. Then, they go on the news and cry that they just can't find people to do the job when in reality they're just trying to save some money so the admins can get bigger raises. |
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Post by 53 on Sept 7, 2022 18:16:07 GMT -6
Classroom teachers will be obsolute in the not-too-distant future. All instruction will be via video or online. I don't think that's true. I didn't believe it before but after the public's experience with distance learning during covid I really doubt that the public has any appetite for distance learning. Won’t be distant. the building will be there for those that need/want to send their kids to school, but the district/state teacher will be remote. Teacher aids will be used to supervision and to monitor the class. You will still have a few teachers in the building for sped, and probably PE. my district this year has already went this route with kids that need speech, and it’s done through telecommunications now instead of having a speech pathologist in the building. they’ll also see the money saved and the headaches it is to hire quality math and English teachers. So, they’ll just hire a few and let them teach to The Whole district instead of 20-30 kids at a time. |
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Post by tog on Sept 7, 2022 18:30:31 GMT -6
Is it that much of a difference to get done with practice at 5:30 or to get off work at 5:00? Be wary of assuming that your time spent is the same as others. Some may run practice 4pm-6:15pm (which means you are getting out 6:30ish) Some staffs may be forced to "grind" and may meet to watch practice film, plan the next day's practice after. Some May have Frosh/JV until 8:30 one night a week, then Game night on Friday night, then practice/meeting Sat morning and maybe even meet on Sunday. willydee1 your problem seems to be that you choose your profession for the wrong reason. You went into education to coach--which is problematic because teaching pays your mortgage, coaching buys you pizza a few days a month. Keep this in mind though, how would teaching look if you are buzzing out at 3:30 with the rest, and your schedule matches your kids? That said, search google. Since the great resignation and COVID, I am betting there will be many articles/sites dedicated to helping teachers find other employment. my schedule was more like 6am to 9pm in Texas 5a |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 7, 2022 18:51:28 GMT -6
I don't think that's true. I didn't believe it before but after the public's experience with distance learning during covid I really doubt that the public has any appetite for distance learning.
I agree, 100%. Remote learning was a disaster, across the board. Any teacher that claims it was more successful than face-to-face instruction is full of chit. I know a lot of districts are messing around with either hybrid or complete online learning within the classroom but the vote is still out. My cousin is a middle school science teacher in a school that went 100% online. He and his colleagues ended up jury-rigging the curriculum with more traditional instruction because the kids were falling behind.
The true outcome of this will be some hybrid of the two/three. We see some of this already at the HS level in terms of remediation/retaking of classes through the many programs/applications that kids do online...... I.E. click-a-button recovery classes. We also see this in the varied dual credit/online college credit/AP type classes in HS. Not to get into my entire philosophical troupe base on personal experience and teaching reality; there needs to be a avenue for kids to be self pace based on whether they can do it alone/online, jump grades, or go apprenticeship-type work study, or some combination of all ...... but that doesn't work for the traditionalists, the bureaucrats, nor the unions. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 7, 2022 19:06:11 GMT -6
If everyone says "No thanks, I'm good" to the idea of being a teacher, as far as I can figure, the government's only 3 solutions are 1) strictly online systems; 2) planned economy (i.e. socialist or communist-style appointing some people to be teachers regardless of whether they want to be or not; 3) pay people so much the hassle becomes worth it. Did I miss any? Right now, the solution a lot of places are attempting, is to let unlicensed people into the classroom. Which is a horrible idea, but they're just trying to get bodies in there, because, it ultimately doesn't matter to them, they just want to check the box on their forms. We have a local district that will not hire full time teachers for positions, but is instead filling them with subs. Then, they go on the news and cry that they just can't find people to do the job when in reality they're just trying to save some money so the admins can get bigger raises. I'd fulling disagree. There's plenty of research that college applicants for education majors are the worst qualified potential college students... even considering those applicants that list their major as 'general studies'. You can almost always find a better teacher with a college degree other than 'education major'. Also, the licensure programs are one of the causes of the non-educational junk teachers have to deal with... |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 7, 2022 19:44:42 GMT -6
Right now, the solution a lot of places are attempting, is to let unlicensed people into the classroom. Which is a horrible idea, but they're just trying to get bodies in there, because, it ultimately doesn't matter to them, they just want to check the box on their forms. We have a local district that will not hire full time teachers for positions, but is instead filling them with subs. Then, they go on the news and cry that they just can't find people to do the job when in reality they're just trying to save some money so the admins can get bigger raises. I'd fulling disagree. There's plenty of research that college applicants for education majors are the worst qualified potential college students... even considering those applicants that list their major as 'general studies'. You can almost always find a better teacher with a college degree other than 'education major'. Also, the licensure programs are one of the causes of the non-educational junk teachers have to deal with... They still have to go through the licensing issues after they take the job in most cases. To the rest of your post, that's one take i guess. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 7, 2022 20:49:23 GMT -6
Right now, the solution a lot of places are attempting, is to let unlicensed people into the classroom. Which is a horrible idea, but they're just trying to get bodies in there, because, it ultimately doesn't matter to them, they just want to check the box on their forms. We have a local district that will not hire full time teachers for positions, but is instead filling them with subs. Then, they go on the news and cry that they just can't find people to do the job when in reality they're just trying to save some money so the admins can get bigger raises. I'd fulling disagree. There's plenty of research that college applicants for education majors are the worst qualified potential college students... even considering those applicants that list their major as 'general studies'. You can almost always find a better teacher with a college degree other than 'education major'. Also, the licensure programs are one of the causes of the non-educational junk teachers have to deal with... I would say that MAY....MAY possibly be an argument for high school- where content seems to supercede pedagogy, but I would disagree vehemently regarding early childhood, elementary education. That said, you will get no argument from me that the skill sets for those who make the choice to go into education often is not the greatest. The "best and the brightest" hardly think "You know what... I think I would like to be a 6th grade science teacher" |
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Post by fantom on Sept 7, 2022 21:32:27 GMT -6
That's a question for local and state governments to answer. If everyone says "No thanks, I'm good" to the idea of being a teacher, as far as I can figure, the government's only 3 solutions are 1) strictly online systems; 2) planned economy (i.e. socialist or communist-style appointing some people to be teachers regardless of whether they want to be or not; 3) pay people so much the hassle becomes worth it. Did I miss any? Just off the top of my head they can stop piling on additional responsibilities. They can stop using public education as a political football with harebrained "reforms" and culture war nonsense. States can also do more to cut down on the cost of college which is insane right now. Fewer kids are going into teaching because it makes no financial sense. The state college that I attended, which started as a teacher's college, now costs over $20,000 a year in-state. That's a lot of money to go into a profession that pays modestly at best (That's also tru for other professions in the public service sector). |
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Post by agap on Sept 7, 2022 22:11:09 GMT -6
If everyone says "No thanks, I'm good" to the idea of being a teacher, as far as I can figure, the government's only 3 solutions are 1) strictly online systems; 2) planned economy (i.e. socialist or communist-style appointing some people to be teachers regardless of whether they want to be or not; 3) pay people so much the hassle becomes worth it. Did I miss any? Just off the top of my head they can stop piling on additional responsibilities. They can stop using public education as a political football with harebrained "reforms" and culture war nonsense. States can also do more to cut down on the cost of college which is insane right now. Fewer kids are going into teaching because it makes no financial sense. The state college that I attended, which started as a teacher's college, now costs over $20,000 a year in-state. That's a lot of money to go into a profession that pays modestly at best (That's also tru for other professions in the public service sector). If people would work while in college and work full-time in the summer, and then save their money while in college and when they graduate, this wouldn't be as big of an issue. I see people pull into the parking lot every August with a different vehicle and talk about the three vacations they took all around the country while complaining about their loan debt. The problem isn't the cost of college. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Sept 8, 2022 6:59:08 GMT -6
In 1980, the price to attend a four-year college full-time was $10,231 annually—including tuition, fees, room and board, and adjusted for inflation—according to the National Center for Education Statistics. By 2019-20, the total price increased to $28,775. That’s a 180% increase.
Stop buying lattes and save your money....OK Boomer
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Post by irishdog on Sept 8, 2022 7:55:08 GMT -6
Mark my words. Just like the drastic changes we are witnessing in college football Voc Ed will make a huge comeback thus changing the landscape of government education in this country, and change the ways colleges and universities do business. The Tech schools will lead the way.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 8, 2022 8:03:33 GMT -6
Mark my words. Just like the drastic changes we are witnessing in college football Voc Ed will make a huge comeback thus changing the landscape of government education in this country, and change the ways colleges and universities do business. The Tech schools will lead the way. God I hope so. The amount of "men", or women for that matter, who don't know which is the business end of a screwdriver is mind boggling. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 8, 2022 9:42:34 GMT -6
In 1980, the price to attend a four-year college full-time was $10,231 annually—including tuition, fees, room and board, and adjusted for inflation—according to the National Center for Education Statistics. By 2019-20, the total price increased to $28,775. That’s a 180% increase. Stop buying lattes and save your money....OK BoomerI graduated in 1976. Recently I found the promissory note from my college financial aid. I owed about $1900 payable at $36 QUARTERLY. I checked and adjusted for inflation that would be about $10,000 today. My entire four years of education cost the same as ONE SEMESTER at the same institution today, an institution that was established to provide an education to students from middle and lower class backgrounds. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 8, 2022 10:16:23 GMT -6
If everyone says "No thanks, I'm good" to the idea of being a teacher, as far as I can figure, the government's only 3 solutions are 1) strictly online systems; 2) planned economy (i.e. socialist or communist-style appointing some people to be teachers regardless of whether they want to be or not; 3) pay people so much the hassle becomes worth it. Did I miss any? Just off the top of my head they can stop piling on additional responsibilities. They can stop using public education as a political football with harebrained "reforms" and culture war nonsense. States can also do more to cut down on the cost of college which is insane right now. Fewer kids are going into teaching because it makes no financial sense. The state college that I attended, which started as a teacher's college, now costs over $20,000 a year in-state. That's a lot of money to go into a profession that pays modestly at best (That's also tru for other professions in the public service sector). It's not the state fault for the astronomical rise in tuition. When the federal govt backed student loans and basically made it them default free, coincided with rapid increase of tuition rates. |
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Post by GuyinOhio on Sept 8, 2022 10:19:30 GMT -6
Reading these threads make me feel grateful for the small school I am in that averages 50 kids a grade. There must be some horror stories out there.
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Post by fantom on Sept 8, 2022 13:23:50 GMT -6
Just off the top of my head they can stop piling on additional responsibilities. They can stop using public education as a political football with harebrained "reforms" and culture war nonsense. States can also do more to cut down on the cost of college which is insane right now. Fewer kids are going into teaching because it makes no financial sense. The state college that I attended, which started as a teacher's college, now costs over $20,000 a year in-state. That's a lot of money to go into a profession that pays modestly at best (That's also tru for other professions in the public service sector). It's not the state fault for the astronomical rise in tuition. When the federal govt backed student loans and basically made it them default free, coincided with rapid increase of tuition rates. Since I'm talking about state schools yes it is. State legislatures have been cutting financial support to higher education for years. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 8, 2022 14:30:26 GMT -6
I had to meet with a different campus financial advisor to talk through loans four times in college (mandatory part of taking loans for the school). Here's the various lines of bullchit I was fed:
"This is the cheapest money you'll ever buy! Take as much as you need!"
"These loans will never go over 3% interest. In fact, I'd be surprised if they go past 2.5%."
"It looks like a lot but you'll have no problem paying these back because the interest is so low."
"You're investing in your future."
I have never missed or been late on a payment and I'm currently paying 7.7% on those loans. The income contingency payment plans put me in a serious bind as I can't pay above the amount set without opening up the floodgates for a huge payment every month. If I could pay extra, they would've been gone years ago.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 8, 2022 17:48:40 GMT -6
It's not the state fault for the astronomical rise in tuition. When the federal govt backed student loans and basically made it them default free, coincided with rapid increase of tuition rates. Since I'm talking about state schools yes it is. State legislatures have been cutting financial support to higher education for years. That may be the case there, but this about the exponential growth of the cost of tuition over the last 25+ years. State legislatures may have been cutting aid, but it is hand in hand with the federal tuition guarantee. If the the Fed is going to carry these costs, the state legislatures can funnel those monies to their own pet projects. A tax enforced hasn't truly gone away since this Nation chose to be born. |
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Post by agap on Sept 8, 2022 21:57:50 GMT -6
In 1980, the price to attend a four-year college full-time was $10,231 annually—including tuition, fees, room and board, and adjusted for inflation—according to the National Center for Education Statistics. By 2019-20, the total price increased to $28,775. That’s a 180% increase. Stop buying lattes and save your money....OK BoomerBoomer? You're about 25 years off your generations. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Sept 9, 2022 6:50:38 GMT -6
In 1980, the price to attend a four-year college full-time was $10,231 annually—including tuition, fees, room and board, and adjusted for inflation—according to the National Center for Education Statistics. By 2019-20, the total price increased to $28,775. That’s a 180% increase. Stop buying lattes and save your money....OK BoomerBoomer? You're about 25 years off your generations. Well, you are just a dumb ass then. Do you even own a set of bootstraps. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 9, 2022 9:01:37 GMT -6
Since I'm talking about state schools yes it is. State legislatures have been cutting financial support to higher education for years. That may be the case there, but this about the exponential growth of the cost of tuition over the last 25+ years. State legislatures may have been cutting aid, but it is hand in hand with the federal tuition guarantee. If the the Fed is going to carry these costs, the state legislatures can funnel those monies to their own pet projects. A tax enforced hasn't truly gone away since this Nation chose to be born.
The loan programs have caused the inflation..
"The government will give you $10k in loans per year? Amazing! That's exactly how much tuition costs!!" "The government upped it to $20k per year?? What a coincidence! It costs $20k per student per year to run this institution!"
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 9, 2022 9:10:50 GMT -6
That may be the case there, but this about the exponential growth of the cost of tuition over the last 25+ years. State legislatures may have been cutting aid, but it is hand in hand with the federal tuition guarantee. If the the Fed is going to carry these costs, the state legislatures can funnel those monies to their own pet projects. A tax enforced hasn't truly gone away since this Nation chose to be born.
The loan programs have caused the inflation..
"The government will give you $10k in loans per year? Amazing! That's exactly how much tuition costs!!" "The government upped it to $20k per year?? What a coincidence! It costs $20k per student per year to run this institution!"
Don't forget they're raising those rates with millions and millions of dollars in "endowments". |
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Post by fantom on Sept 9, 2022 9:53:32 GMT -6
That may be the case there, but this about the exponential growth of the cost of tuition over the last 25+ years. State legislatures may have been cutting aid, but it is hand in hand with the federal tuition guarantee. If the the Fed is going to carry these costs, the state legislatures can funnel those monies to their own pet projects. A tax enforced hasn't truly gone away since this Nation chose to be born.
The loan programs have caused the inflation..
"The government will give you $10k in loans per year? Amazing! That's exactly how much tuition costs!!" "The government upped it to $20k per year?? What a coincidence! It costs $20k per student per year to run this institution!"
So the theory we're going with is that since student loans make college more expensive eliminating loans will make college more accessible? |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 9, 2022 10:04:01 GMT -6
The loan programs have caused the inflation..
"The government will give you $10k in loans per year? Amazing! That's exactly how much tuition costs!!" "The government upped it to $20k per year?? What a coincidence! It costs $20k per student per year to run this institution!"
So the theory we're going with is that since student loans make college more expensive eliminating loans will make college more accessible? Nope, regulating the public universities in some manner would go a long way though. Capping tuition and fees doesn't seem like too much to ask. |
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