humble
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Post by humble on Feb 4, 2022 8:27:14 GMT -6
It really seems like up until around a year or so ago that twitter was a great resource for football information and most of the ego's were set aside etc. Now it seems like sooooo many coaches are chasing clout and trying to sell "systems" that are made up of things everyone has been doing for decades! I guess, to me, it use to feel more laid back and more coaches banding together to share info. Just doesn't feel that way anymore.
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Post by spartan on Feb 4, 2022 8:43:59 GMT -6
All those systems are inferior to the Face melter system which you can get now for 20 easy payments of $999.99 Shred the defense, blow up the scoreboard!
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Post by knightfan64 on Feb 4, 2022 8:50:00 GMT -6
It really seems like up until around a year or so ago that twitter was a great resource for football information and most of the ego's were set aside etc. Now it seems like sooooo many coaches are chasing clout and trying to sell "systems" that are made up of things everyone has been doing for decades! I guess, to me, it use to feel more laid back and more coaches banding together to share info. Just doesn't feel that way anymore. Twitter is a lot like media. People put out quotes or divisive stuff for takes or try to sell their face melter. Clout is a crazy thing
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humble
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Post by humble on Feb 4, 2022 8:52:34 GMT -6
All those systems are inferior to the Face melter system which you can get now for 20 easy payments of $999.99 Shred the defense, blow up the scoreboard! Does it come with free visors for our staff?
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Post by Defcord on Feb 4, 2022 9:05:22 GMT -6
All those systems are inferior to the Face melter system which you can get now for 20 easy payments of $999.99 Shred the defense, blow up the scoreboard! Does it come with free visors for our staff? Only the offensive side.
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Post by breakerdog on Feb 4, 2022 9:35:17 GMT -6
There are some people who share great content. There are some people who share great content and sell a product that has great content. There are some people who sell a product.
I think the proliferation of other coaching resources out there, and some negative behavior in here has kind of lead to a slow down of these boards and many solid contributors no longer posting.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 4, 2022 9:48:36 GMT -6
Yes..so much more of it..It works because some coaches would just rather purchase a whole system instead of doing the work
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 4, 2022 10:04:51 GMT -6
Yes..so much more of it..It works because some coaches would just rather purchase a whole system instead of doing the work This is exactly my problem with BFS. Oddly, the BFS people I know are also the Facemelter purchasers. The entire "#BuildYourBrand" culture is insufferable. Coaching or otherwise.
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Post by QBCoachDurham on Feb 4, 2022 10:22:33 GMT -6
The number of people on Twitter that act like they invented basic concepts is truly astonishing.
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 4, 2022 10:48:21 GMT -6
People are more willing to BUY a system than to take all the free materials great coaches have come up with and just learning it themselves and coming up with what works for them... just because Alabama does _____ doesn't mean that's the best way for your 14-18 year old kids to do _____.
I have a spreadsheet that I've developed for inventory, player management, roll, weightroom, everything I need to do as a HC and people would rather buy some software for $1000 per year because they are too lazy to just organize a spreadsheet the way they want to. I've saved over $20,000 of fundraising money by having my own spreadsheet the past 20 years... but some guys would rather just buy someone else's materials.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 4, 2022 10:48:33 GMT -6
The number of people on Twitter that act like they invented basic concepts is truly astonishing.
This is my primary frustration with football and social media. Coaches touting concepts as their own, using it to build a cult following and then selling an offense that's been around for decades. I s'pose a "fool and his money are easily parted" but I still find it exceptionally disingenuous. Particularly when someone provides free advice and gets slapped down by the "cult".
A coach was asking about blitz pick-up within the Wing-T and was bombarded with the "rules" (Fire, Gap, Down Backer). I gave a detailed explanation on using down-tracks to simplify the blocking. Lord, did I ever take a beating from some of the coaches on there. And, it was all due to the fact that coaches are selling their expertise as rules-based Wing-T OL coaches at clinics. I'll guarantee they're better coaches than I am and they have the resumes to prove it. But, you'll get the opportunity to prove that at your clinics; leave the pages alone for other ideas.
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Post by CS on Feb 4, 2022 11:08:10 GMT -6
I genuinely don’t mind if people try to make a buck. If you can get someone to buy your stuff then have at it. Eventually they will learn what is worth money and what isn’t.
On a side note I would absolutely love for Bill to get on twitter
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 4, 2022 11:09:40 GMT -6
People are more willing to BUY a system than to take all the free materials great coaches have come up with and just learning it themselves and coming up with what works for them... just because Alabama does _____ doesn't mean that's the best way for your 14-18 year old kids to do _____. I have a spreadsheet that I've developed for inventory, player management, roll, weightroom, everything I need to do as a HC and people would rather buy some software for $1000 per year because they are too lazy to just organize a spreadsheet the way they want to. I've saved over $20,000 of fundraising money by having my own spreadsheet the past 20 years... but some guys would rather just buy someone else's materials. I mean, there is a whole thread on here on how to take attendance...
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Post by tripsclosed on Feb 4, 2022 11:20:51 GMT -6
I was planning to make a post about twitter on here and then saw this.
People have contended one of the main reasons this board is a ghost-town shell of its former self is that "twitter is the happening place these days", but every time I try to get on twitter, i dont have much luck finding the kind of discussions had in the past (and occasionally now) on here. Plus, I cant stand the format of twitter for football coaching discussion, it's basically like trying to have a discussion through post-it notes......Here it is organized, searching is decent, etc. Anyone know of any decent places on twitter they can point me to where these great discussions are supposedly being had?
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moose18
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Post by moose18 on Feb 4, 2022 12:07:02 GMT -6
I prefer the conversations in here by a million times! Lots of ego and people trying to be the "smartest in the room" on twitter. I find much less of that here
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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 4, 2022 12:22:21 GMT -6
The coaching Twitter world is 95% self-promotion. A lot less of that here, thankfully.
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Post by blb on Feb 4, 2022 13:17:49 GMT -6
On a side note I would absolutely love for Bill to get on twitter billmountjoy@yahoo.com You can tell him that your self.
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Post by fantom on Feb 4, 2022 13:23:11 GMT -6
On a side note I would absolutely love for Bill to get on twitter billmountjoy@yahoo.com You can tell him that your self. Know what? Bill does know a lot of football. It's playing well with others that he has a problem with. If he's in a format where he does all of the talking he'd be a good resource.
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Post by blb on Feb 4, 2022 13:34:55 GMT -6
billmountjoy@yahoo.com You can tell him that your self. Know what? Bill does know a lot of football. It's playing well with others that he has a problem with. If he's in a format where he does all of the talking he'd be a good resource. ...like Jerry Campbell's site.
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Post by CS on Feb 4, 2022 13:40:40 GMT -6
On a side note I would absolutely love for Bill to get on twitter billmountjoy@yahoo.com You can tell him that your self. I already have his email
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Post by blb on Feb 4, 2022 13:51:31 GMT -6
billmountjoy@yahoo.com You can tell him that your self. I already have his email Fair enough. Did you suggest Twitter to him on there then? He wasn't going to see it on here.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 4, 2022 14:32:19 GMT -6
billmountjoy@yahoo.com You can tell him that your self. I already have his email But, do you have his phone number so he can argue with you over the phone instead of on here?
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Post by coachcb on Feb 4, 2022 14:34:50 GMT -6
I genuinely don’t mind if people try to make a buck. If you can get someone to buy your stuff then have at it. Eventually they will learn what is worth money and what isn’t. On a side note I would absolutely love for Bill to get on twitter
I only take issue if they're selling something as their own, original scheme. There's plenty of guys who run ____ offense/defense well and sell their expertise while still giving credit where it's due. Rick Stewart is a great example of this. He runs the Pistol Wing-T exceptionally well and sells a great product. But, he'll be the first to admit that a)he's not the first cat to run this offense and b)toss kudos out to pistol and Wing-T originators.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 4, 2022 15:33:23 GMT -6
I'm not on Twitter but am on Facebook and it's the same on there on a lot of pages. A coach will post something like "this is my adjustment when running Buck Sweep vs ____ front, how do you adjust?" And there will be 2 dozen responses from people who believe they're right basically saying "that's wrong! _____ is the only way". There's very little conversation. Or as others have started dozens of guys looking for information without putting in any work. For example I wanted a If/Then for the Wing-T, so I made one using my limited knowledge, answers to questions I'd asked more experienced coaches, and just drawing up defensive adjustments to stop whatever play I wanted to run. I've got what I consider a pretty thorough If/Then that I'm constantly refining.
I personally prefer this site much more. I can ask a question and get an answer from a coach who is humble and reasonable without all the bs, generally speaking.
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Post by CS on Feb 4, 2022 15:42:42 GMT -6
Fair enough. Did you suggest Twitter to him on there then? He wasn't going to see it on here. It was a fuking joke dude
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Post by CS on Feb 4, 2022 15:43:23 GMT -6
But, do you have his phone number so he can argue with you over the phone instead of on here? He’s actually not as big of a turd on the phone as he is on message boards
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Post by blb on Feb 4, 2022 15:49:54 GMT -6
Fair enough. Did you suggest Twitter to him on there then? He wasn't going to see it on here. It was a fuking joke dude Unless you include a laughing emoji, "Ha ha" or "LOL" that's tough to discern on a message board.
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Post by CS on Feb 4, 2022 15:51:57 GMT -6
It was a fuking joke dude Unless you include a laughing emoji, "Ha ha" or "LOL" that's tough to discern on a message board.
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Post by blb on Feb 4, 2022 15:53:37 GMT -6
But, do you have his phone number so he can argue with you over the phone instead of on here? He’s actually not as big of a turd on the phone as he is on message boards There is testimony to the contrary by several members on here.
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Post by blb on Feb 4, 2022 15:58:31 GMT -6
Unless you include a laughing emoji, "Ha ha" or "LOL" that's tough to discern on a message board. "You're the gourmet around here, Eddie."
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