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Post by coachcb on Jan 19, 2022 11:28:09 GMT -6
They all roll over and can be cashed out at $75/day if/when they leave the school. We are capped at the number we can cash out; I believe it's 1/3 of the banked days. You can also use a certain number of those days (200 I believe) and put them towards retirement (i.e. retire one year early).
So, if you don't think you'll retire there, what's the inventive to NOT take two-thirds of your sick days?
Pre-pandemic, they were all running into situations where they needed to have PTO banked but they'd burned through it. One had surgery, was going to be out a month and only had one week of PTO. And, they were shocked when none of us donated our time. Losing nearly a months worth of pay seems like a viable reason to bank your PTO.
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Post by fantom on Jan 19, 2022 14:16:01 GMT -6
Everybody has a God-given right to gripe about their job. A fair percentage of posts in this forum are from coaches venting about something that they don't like about his team or school. There's a post in the Job section asking about becoming a history teacher and a lot of guys said "Don't do it".
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 19, 2022 17:17:18 GMT -6
Everybody has a God-given right to gripe about their job. A fair percentage of posts in this forum are from coaches venting about something that they don't like about his team or school. There's a post in the Job section asking about becoming a history teacher and a lot of guys said "Don't do it". Griping with peers and laying down in the middle of a hallway to simulate dying on social media because you had to go to work are different animals. |
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Post by fantom on Jan 19, 2022 18:01:07 GMT -6
Everybody has a God-given right to gripe about their job. A fair percentage of posts in this forum are from coaches venting about something that they don't like about his team or school. There's a post in the Job section asking about becoming a history teacher and a lot of guys said "Don't do it". Griping with peers and laying down in the middle of a hallway to simulate dying on social media because you had to go to work are different animals. It looks like she originally posted this on Facebook for her friends. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 19, 2022 19:28:48 GMT -6
Griping with peers and laying down in the middle of a hallway to simulate dying on social media because you had to go to work are different animals. It looks like she originally posted this on Facebook for her friends. If only there were ways to do that without showing it to the world... |
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Post by fantom on Jan 19, 2022 20:45:44 GMT -6
It looks like she originally posted this on Facebook for her friends. If only there were ways to do that without showing it to the world... Why? They're showing it to their peers, their friends. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 20, 2022 7:11:15 GMT -6
IMO it's all the same for those that can/will. Our data says that students grades were consistent during quarantine. Meaning slaps are slaps and scholars are scholars. We could fix all this if the legal working age was 13... My son has straight 100s in every class but hates school. He would drop out right now if he could get a job and I would let him. I think if they made a rule that if you failed a class parents had to pay to retake it things would change quickly. I've been in a system where you had to front the money as a parent for the credit recovery class. $50 and if you passed you got it back. I think that's a good system in a struggling area like where I was then. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 20, 2022 7:29:29 GMT -6
If only there were ways to do that without showing it to the world... Why? They're showing it to their peers, their friends. And the rest of the world. They did not stage a photo of them lying in the hallway, nor include the line - send your child's teacher a gift card or bottle of wine- for their friends. That post was intended to fish for compliments/gifts/sympathy from the moment they took that picture. |
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Post by 19delta on Jan 20, 2022 10:13:06 GMT -6
Why? They're showing it to their peers, their friends. And the rest of the world. They did not stage a photo of them lying in the hallway, nor include the line - send your child's teacher a gift card or bottle of wine- for their friends. That post was intended to fish for compliments/gifts/sympathy from the moment they took that picture. Yes. 100% Look...the pandemic has been tough on lots of people. But there is a HUGE difference between someone griping about their job and what these teachers have done. It's nauseatingly melodramatic and clearly had the ulterior motive of guilting whomever saw it into providing some kind of affirmation to these teachers who are burdened down by this heavy cross they are forced to carry. |
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Post by CS on Jan 20, 2022 10:22:39 GMT -6
And the rest of the world. They did not stage a photo of them lying in the hallway, nor include the line - send your child's teacher a gift card or bottle of wine- for their friends. That post was intended to fish for compliments/gifts/sympathy from the moment they took that picture. Yes. 100% Look...the pandemic has been tough on lots of people. But there is a HUGE difference between someone griping about their job and what these teachers have done. It's nauseatingly melodramatic and had the ulterior motive of guilting whoever saw it into providing some kind of affirmation to these teachers who are burdened down by this heavy cross they are forced to carry. The day you posted this thread the wife of a friend posted a cheesy long post about the struggles teachers have right now. I will be the first to tell you that it is harder right now but so is going to the fuking store. The grandstanding is annoying |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2022 10:45:06 GMT -6
Yes. 100% Look...the pandemic has been tough on lots of people. But there is a HUGE difference between someone griping about their job and what these teachers have done. It's nauseatingly melodramatic and had the ulterior motive of guilting whoever saw it into providing some kind of affirmation to these teachers who are burdened down by this heavy cross they are forced to carry. The day you posted this thread the wife of a friend posted a cheesy long post about the struggles teachers have right now. I will be the first to tell you that it is harder right now but so is going to the fuking store. The grandstanding is annoying I agree with this here. Educators- including coaches- often seem to live in an isolated world where they don’t realize other people have it tough too |
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Post by CoachSP on Jan 20, 2022 11:42:07 GMT -6
I tend to believe that this kind (and other similar "woe is me" teacher posts) of thing contributes to the negative stigma surrounding education. The people that post this stuff think they are raising awareness and helping the cause; in reality, I think they are hurting it.
The rest of the world sees a 180 day employee with the summer off p!ssing and complaining. When I see a picture or post like that, I tend to agree.
A few years ago in my former parish, we had a vote to raise a local sales tax with the money benefitting teachers. It failed by 19 votes. However, what did I see all my teacher friends post online leading up to election day? Grandstanding, whiny, "look how hard I work" posts.
Things are tougher now in teaching and coaching. Many teachers need to get over their own ego and learn to set proper boundaries. Not all school districts are created equal, either. I used to work with people that REFUSED to leave a district in hopes of finding a better situation. Sometimes, you have to help yourself.
As hard as it can be, I still try to step back and realize how good we have it. Summers off, week off for Thanksgiving and Easter, 2 for Christmas. IMO
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Post by MICoach on Jan 20, 2022 12:13:54 GMT -6
Not all school districts are created equal, either. I used to work with people that REFUSED to leave a district in hopes of finding a better situation. Sometimes, you have to help yourself. I've been following this whole thread and not really been sure if I had anything worth adding, but I think a lot of teachers could benefit from this. I started as a parapro at a crappy charter school, and although I enjoyed a lot of parts of that job and that school, I knew I didn't want to stay there long term. I also figured out quickly that I'd hate teaching for that charter organization. A lot of my friends from that school still teach there, as if changing jobs is just entirely out of the question. I jumped around between jobs for a couple years, which sucked, but I was able to build my resume and end up in a district that is one of the better ones to work for in the area. Sure, covid sucks, and teaching is a little harder than it has been, but it's definitely easier than if I were in some of the worse schools I worked at in the past. As for the social media stuff, I think anything like that is just an attention grab and if it wasn't COVID those same people would be finding something else to post about. COVID is just right now the easiest way for them to get the likes and comments and the associated dopamine rush...social media is stupid. |
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Post by fantom on Jan 20, 2022 12:19:50 GMT -6
The day you posted this thread the wife of a friend posted a cheesy long post about the struggles teachers have right now. I will be the first to tell you that it is harder right now but so is going to the fuking store. The grandstanding is annoying I agree with this here. Educators- including coaches- often seem to live in an isolated world where they don’t realize other people have it tough too A lot of teachers are overly dramatic about how hard their job is but not necessarily much more than people in other professions who deal with the public. You ought to see people in the hospitality business-bartenders, servers, etc.. While they're quitting they'll cuss out the customers, co-workers, and their boss then post the video on You Tube. Is this particular video grandstanding? Yeah but do keep in mind that she posted it on her personal FB page, for her own friends. It wasn't intended for anybody else. I still say that it's no different than coaches griping here. How would the general public react to some of our stuff? I don't know. Ask DCOhio. PS: Asking people to send wine was over the top. I'd never do it. I prefer beer. |
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Post by red on Jan 20, 2022 12:50:05 GMT -6
Its like any job anywhere in any organization. If you work with good people you enjoy, and have strong leadership you will be far less inclined to complain about your job and hate the "field" you are in. You guys "complaining" about what they are "complaining" about,,, is kind of hypocritical. Aren't both sides just Complainers?
And you have no idea what other teachers in other districts go through. The difference in what one person deals with in a classroom to another is vast. Certainly you guys on here know someone who teaches in an inner city elementary?? Get you some of their day and see how you feel. Maybe in this particular instance, they were trying to be funny and have something to laugh about, and then a bunch old cranky guys in the off-season complain about how they are just ungrateful Pity Seekers.
I wonder how many of the people saying they need to get over themselves are teaching P.E. or credit recovery or weight class.. really know what all these "pity seekers" do in a day. And are you telling me as High School football coaches you dont attempt to make people understand what you deal with everyday. Just read this board....
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 20, 2022 13:37:44 GMT -6
I agree with this here. Educators- including coaches- often seem to live in an isolated world where they don’t realize other people have it tough too A lot of teachers are overly dramatic about how hard their job is but not necessarily much more than people in other professions who deal with the public. You ought to see people in the hospitality business-bartenders, servers, etc.. While they're quitting they'll cuss out the customers, co-workers, and their boss then post the video on You Tube. Is this particular video grandstanding? Yeah but do keep in mind that she posted it on her personal FB page, for her own friends. It wasn't intended for anybody else. I still say that it's no different than coaches griping here. How would the general public react to some of our stuff? I don't know. Ask DCOhio. PS: Asking people to send wine was over the top. I'd never do it. I prefer beer. I have worked 2nd shift in a cotton mill, construction, drove a bus, in a hardware store, liquor store, fireworks, drove a tractor/bush hog, bounced, tended bar, did day labor, work for a survey crew at the highway department, and grew up on a working farm. 2- Every profession has gripersThe teacher work room is full of them. So is the snack bar at the mill, the bouncers/bartender s(and loads of customers), the roofer/masons/welders/carpenters/etc... on lunch/smoke break, the sign holders on the road,.... well I hope you get the picture because I could go on for days. 3- As with most things, we all have a bit of cognitive dissonanceAs #4 I've always been expect to work, even at a very young age. Even as a teacher I've never NOT had to work weekends, long days, had summers off because of coaching. Most simply don't know what they don't know. When I coached baseball our pitching coach was a shift worker that could make most practices. When he learned I had 1st period planning, he couldn't believe that I 'clocked in' and then immediately had a 'break'. 4- How you were raised to view work will directly correlate to how you view the job you haveNot go into my daddy's and my life story, but I was taught to get your arse up and go to work/school. Don't care how you feel/dread/hate/tired/stressed/etc you are; go do work. If you don't like it, shut up and do something about it. If you hire on to do a job for a man, then by God work for that man. And it wasn't so much told to me as shown to me. 5- Even if the picture was posted directly to FaceSpace and to a specific group of people, everyone knows (should) that the internet never forgets
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Post by dhj on Jan 20, 2022 14:33:39 GMT -6
a bunch old cranky guys in the off-season complain about how they are just ungrateful Pity Seekers. Well then....get me a shaking stick, a front porch, & a nice section of front lawn because that is exactly how I see this. And I'm not going to feel bad for believing that people should show up & quietly do their job. |
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Post by coachklee on Feb 15, 2022 19:52:10 GMT -6
Look...we aren't working in a coal mine. This crap is ridiculous. Suck it up. Get your a$$ to work, and do your job:  ibb.co/n8y2XDxWhat has been done endlessly in the name of “science” while unscientifically in the absence of data to start & later in denial of new data is an absolute shame & verges on the edge of being criminal the past 2 years… |
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Post by coachklee on Feb 15, 2022 19:56:14 GMT -6
We shut down last week because we had too many teachers out and not enough subs. We had tons of kids just sitting in the cafe and gym. Luckily our admin were busy watching the kids instead of doing observations 😂 I think most of the drama comes from the fact that teachers are finally getting some sympathy after years of being the scapegoat for the lack of success in our public school system. I also think a great deal of the current strife comes from the fact that the last 2 years have shown that the academic role of the public school system in the U.S. has taken a back seat to the child care/social welfare role. In the last 45 years, the lack of stay at home parents has exponentially increased this role. The public doesn't really care about academic growth, student learning targets, etc, being on level, proficiency etc. The public cares about having to stay home with their child because they are in a financial situation where it is not easy to handle shutdowns. But, the system is still monitored and judged by the academic role. One of my co-workers echoes this EVERYDAY. If teaching actually mattered we would be doing X, Y & Z. We aren’t doing these things so once again here is more evidence we are just unionized daycare employees. |
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 15, 2022 20:03:08 GMT -6
I also think a great deal of the current strife comes from the fact that the last 2 years have shown that the academic role of the public school system in the U.S. has taken a back seat to the child care/social welfare role. In the last 45 years, the lack of stay at home parents has exponentially increased this role. The public doesn't really care about academic growth, student learning targets, etc, being on level, proficiency etc. The public cares about having to stay home with their child because they are in a financial situation where it is not easy to handle shutdowns. But, the system is still monitored and judged by the academic role. One of my co-workers echoes this EVERYDAY. If teaching actually mattered we would be doing X, Y & Z. We aren’t doing these things so once again here is more evidence we are just unionized daycare employees. Don't forget the "no fail" movement. They don't give 2 craps if kids learn a single thing. Just shove them through and try to raise them as much as possible on the way. |
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Post by paydirt18 on Feb 16, 2022 11:23:23 GMT -6
Online instruction sucks....been there, done that, it doesnt work...... Even with all the technology we now have, instruction needs to be face to face. IMO it's all the same for those that can/will. Our data says that students grades were consistent during quarantine. Meaning slaps are slaps and scholars are scholars. We could fix all this if the legal working age was 13... the increase of significant mental health issues has risen IMO because students had to be "online" so long. Additionally, it created so many negative behaviors, promoted laziness, and for incoming freshmen-took away that initial HS experience. As far as grades being consistent how do you go about judging the actual learning process beyond a simple grade? If anything kids developed some resilience and learned how to copy/paste/cheat while "online". Essentially, based on what part of the country students live in, they lost more than a year of in-person schooling and that will impact them for a long time. |
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Post by Coach.A on Feb 16, 2022 11:55:04 GMT -6
I wonder how many of the people saying they need to get over themselves are teaching P.E. or credit recovery or weight class.. really know what all these "pity seekers" do in a day. Just saying, I've taught many subjects, but "weight class" required significantly more time and energy than the traditional classroom subjects. |
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 16, 2022 16:18:13 GMT -6
I wonder how many of the people saying they need to get over themselves are teaching P.E. or credit recovery or weight class.. really know what all these "pity seekers" do in a day. Just saying, I've taught many subjects, but "weight class" required significantly more time and energy than the traditional classroom subjects. How so? |
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Post by Coach.A on Feb 16, 2022 17:13:51 GMT -6
Just saying, I've taught many subjects, but "weight class" required significantly more time and energy than the traditional classroom subjects. How so? Mostly in that I never stop teaching in the weight room. In a traditional classroom, there are periods where kids are doing worksheets, tests, projects, group work, etc. There is no down time in the strength training class. I'm constantly demonstrating and/or working with somebody. You never sit. There are also significantly more safety risks in a weight room compared to a traditional classroom. For that reason, you need to be alert at all times. You also need to make sure that kids are progressing properly because a mistake could result in an injury. I understand that you could make an argument for planning and prepping for every subject, but I find managing the weight room more tedious. Repairing and replacing equipment, ordering new equipment, setting up & putting away equipment for workouts, inputting and tracking fitness testing data in to spreadsheets, creating strength club boards and updating them after each round of testing, creating and reviewing workout tracking sheets, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love teaching strength training, but it requires way more time & energy than the classroom subjects I teach. |
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 16, 2022 17:41:10 GMT -6
Mostly in that I never stop teaching in the weight room. In a traditional classroom, there are periods where kids are doing worksheets, tests, projects, group work, etc. There is no down time in the strength training class. I'm constantly demonstrating and/or working with somebody. You never sit. There are also significantly more safety risks in a weight room compared to a traditional classroom. For that reason, you need to be alert at all times. You also need to make sure that kids are progressing properly because a mistake could result in an injury. I understand that you could make an argument for planning and prepping for every subject, but I find managing the weight room more tedious. Repairing and replacing equipment, ordering new equipment, setting up & putting away equipment for workouts, inputting and tracking fitness testing data in to spreadsheets, creating strength club boards and updating them after each round of testing, creating and reviewing workout tracking sheets, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love teaching strength training, but it requires way more time & energy than the classroom subjects I teach. Word. There's no Friday vocab quiz and silent reading in the weight room like there was when I was an English teacher. When people learn I teach weights, I always hear some version of "Must be great getting to work out all day" and it couldn't be further from the truth. It's a rare period where I have the freedom to do something as simple as stretch my hammy. It's an awesome job, but it's WORK. It's not busting sod or doing demo, but if you're doing it right, you're always 'on'. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 16, 2022 20:06:34 GMT -6
Mostly in that I never stop teaching in the weight room. In a traditional classroom, there are periods where kids are doing worksheets, tests, projects, group work, etc. There is no down time in the strength training class. I'm constantly demonstrating and/or working with somebody. You never sit. There are also significantly more safety risks in a weight room compared to a traditional classroom. For that reason, you need to be alert at all times. You also need to make sure that kids are progressing properly because a mistake could result in an injury. I understand that you could make an argument for planning and prepping for every subject, but I find managing the weight room more tedious. Repairing and replacing equipment, ordering new equipment, setting up & putting away equipment for workouts, inputting and tracking fitness testing data in to spreadsheets, creating strength club boards and updating them after each round of testing, creating and reviewing workout tracking sheets, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love teaching strength training, but it requires way more time & energy than the classroom subjects I teach. Word. There's no Friday vocab quiz and silent reading in the weight room like there was when I was an English teacher. When people learn I teach weights, I always hear some version of "Must be great getting to work out all day" and it couldn't be further from the truth. It's a rare period where I have the freedom to do something as simple as stretch my hammy. It's an awesome job, but it's WORK. It's not busting sod or doing demo, but if you're doing it right, you're always 'on'. So, we agree that whatever class we teach, it's work. |
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Post by Coach.A on Feb 16, 2022 23:37:39 GMT -6
Like most careers, if you're doing your job properly it's work.
I only jumped in this thread because somebody implied that teaching strength training was somehow less work than teaching other subjects. The opposite is true from my experience. That said, it is work that I enjoy.
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