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Post by larrymoe on Jan 16, 2022 8:15:04 GMT -6
Doesn’t have a thing to do with workload. Has to do with I was going to punch a mouthy ass kid in the face at some point if I didn't leave. Have no desire to be a 16 year old's bitch. Aren't those who are whining about it also enduring that...plus the workload? I think the rest of the world would disagree with a teacher's notion of "workload".
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 16, 2022 8:15:52 GMT -6
Doesn’t have a thing to do with workload. Has to do with I was going to punch a mouthy ass kid in the face at some point if I didn't leave. Have no desire to be a 16 year old's bitch. Kids seem to be bigger pieces of sh!t since the shutdown. The devious lick bullsh!t hasn’t helped anything either. Kids run the school system. I no longer felt like taking orders from 14-18 year old kids.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 16, 2022 8:20:15 GMT -6
Aren't those who are whining about it also enduring that...plus the workload? I think the rest of the world would disagree with a teacher's notion of "workload". I would just caution you to paint with a wide brush. Just remember the "rest of the world" think coaches show up and call plays, and that the measure of coaching greatness is "being creative"...
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Post by Defcord on Jan 16, 2022 8:49:46 GMT -6
Aren't those who are whining about it also enduring that...plus the workload? I think the rest of the world would disagree with a teacher's notion of "workload". There was a period during shutdowns where a lot of parents reevaluated the role of teachers and had an increase in value placed on the role of teachers. But once kids went back to school that all went back to normal. I think this virus has shown that in a lot of cases teachers are just glorified babysitters. Many parents don’t care what happens at school as long as their kids come home safe and get passed along to the next grade. I get that there’s an assumption that teachers don’t have much of a workload and I agree with it to a certain degree. But there’s a reason there’s a massive teacher short coming. The job is much harder than people realize or understand. Yes we get summers off. Yes we don’t have to lift or hammer and do anything physically taxing. But many transition to teachers struggle because it’s not the vacation career they thought they were walking into. I’m somewhere in the middle on this one. Teachers shouldn’t expect to be treated like heroes. We do a job and get paid to do it. But changes in education have often made us out to be villains as well, which we also are not.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Jan 16, 2022 9:18:10 GMT -6
We got emails about it and everything Your district too? Yup, they even have a plan for it if we go remote. Also post e als can be done via zoom!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 9:37:36 GMT -6
Yeah I get what you’re saying. Everyone has a sob story but also it is way harder right now than it has been in the past. One positive about all the contact tracing quarantines is we no longer get sh!t about the act aspire because one positive is like a grenade in your class room Your district has actually stopped caring about test scores? We all just got taken to task for why our kids didn't do better on their district winter benchmarks, which is something our central office makes that literally only our district cares about. We had to do an item-by-item analysis of how our kids did on each question and explain why they didn't all get it all right. Meanwhile I'd been on the job 3 weeks when we gave it. I am already the 3rd longest tenured person in my department after being on the job for 3 months. I seldom see over 75% attendance in any of my classes. Our two principals are spending all their time putting out fires (sometimes literally) with kids vandalizing the school, doing drugs, or going off on teachers and we've already had numerous kids (in a school of only 400) hospitalized for suicide attempts, with one "successfully" completing earlier this year. Also, the only kid I have who wears a mask wears it on his chin with both his nose and mouth uncovered. He insists on wearing the mask and will lose his $hit if he doesn't have it, though. It's still better than working in healthcare right now.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Jan 16, 2022 9:44:46 GMT -6
Doesn’t have a thing to do with workload. Has to do with I was going to punch a mouthy ass kid in the face at some point if I didn't leave. Have no desire to be a 16 year old's bitch. Kids seem to be bigger pieces of sh!t since the shutdown. The devious lick bullsh!t hasn’t helped anything either. While the behaviors aren’t okay, it makes sense. They’ve been living highly unstructured lives for a year or two now depending on your area. Not justifying the behavior but lack of structure plus all the trauma of the last 2 years explains the behaviors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 9:56:37 GMT -6
Doesn’t have a thing to do with workload. Has to do with I was going to punch a mouthy ass kid in the face at some point if I didn't leave. Have no desire to be a 16 year old's bitch. Kids seem to be bigger pieces of sh!t since the shutdown. The devious lick bullsh!t hasn’t helped anything either. Devious licks has been a huge problem at our school. For a lot of these kids, this has really screwed them up psychologically. Many of them spent a year or two doing absolutely nothing via "distance learning" and forgetting how to act in a classroom. From working on the psych unit through Covid and catching the kids who were struggling the most, I will say that a lot of these kids have been through some awful stuff in the last two years and it's easy to forget. Many have lost family members. When schools shut down, for a lot of them, that also took away their regular meals, socialization, daily routines, and connection to the community--as well as the only threat of accountability on parents for abuse and neglect via DCS reports and truancy. A bunch of them were basically put into solitary confinement by parents afraid of Covid, with the only socialization available to them coming via social media and all the b@tshit stuff that comes with it. Others just got to run feral and do whatever they wanted while parents were at work or strung out. DCS and the juvenile court system in general have collapsed in our area and I suspect it's the same in a lot of places. If a kid was being abused, they just got trapped with that person 24/7. The adolescent psych hospital I worked on went from being at 50% capacity when the pandemic hit to being expanded to accommodate 70% over capacity by the time I left in September, with even more kids waiting in the ER. Most were there for some type of suicidal behavior, but we also got a bunch of horrible neglect cases that had driven kids to flip out and budding personality disorders galore. Single parent homes are often dependent on grandparents for help with kids and support. Covid has wiped out a lot of those grandparents. I've had a bunch of kids blame themselves for bringing Covid home from school and sickening their family. It's not just Covid, but Covid and all the political BS and social media culture in general now are heaped on tops of disintegrating and stressed families in my area. Our juniors and seniors here aren't so bad, but the freshmen... the kids who were in 7th and 8th grade when Covid was screwing things up... those kids are a wreck. They have zero impulse control, attention span, or focus and they're extremely oversensitive and touchy about everything. They have the maturity and social skills of 6th or 7th graders, while performing academically more like 5th graders.
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Post by CS on Jan 16, 2022 10:09:37 GMT -6
Kids seem to be bigger pieces of sh!t since the shutdown. The devious lick bullsh!t hasn’t helped anything either. Devious licks has been a huge problem at our school. For a lot of these kids, this has really screwed them up psychologically. Many of them spent a year or two doing absolutely nothing via "distance learning" and forgetting how to act in a classroom. From working on the psych unit through Covid and catching the kids who were struggling the most, I will say that a lot of these kids have been through some awful stuff in the last two years and it's easy to forget. Many have lost family members. When schools shut down, for a lot of them, that also took away their regular meals, socialization, daily routines, and connection to the community--as well as the only threat of accountability on parents for abuse and neglect via DCS reports and truancy. A bunch of them were basically put into solitary confinement by parents afraid of Covid, with the only socialization available to them coming via social media and all the b@tshit stuff that comes with it. Others just got to run feral and do whatever they wanted while parents were at work or strung out. DCS and the juvenile court system in general have collapsed in our area and I suspect it's the same in a lot of places. If a kid was being abused, they just got trapped with that person 24/7. The adolescent psych hospital I worked on went from being at 50% capacity when the pandemic hit to being expanded to accommodate 70% over capacity by the time I left in September, with even more kids waiting in the ER. Most were there for some type of suicidal behavior, but we also got a bunch of horrible neglect cases that had driven kids to flip out and budding personality disorders galore. Single parent homes are often dependent on grandparents for help with kids and support. Covid has wiped out a lot of those grandparents. I've had a bunch of kids blame themselves for bringing Covid home from school and sickening their family. It's not just Covid, but Covid and all the political BS and social media culture in general now are heaped on tops of disintegrating and stressed families in my area. Our juniors and seniors here aren't so bad, but the freshmen... the kids who were in 7th and 8th grade when Covid was screwing things up... those kids are a wreck. They have zero impulse control, attention span, or focus and they're extremely oversensitive and touchy about everything. They have the maturity and social skills of 6th or 7th graders, while performing academically more like 5th graders. One thing our state did absolutely right has been providing free meals during the shutdown. Schools would even deliver to the areas with school buses. There should have been no reason any kid didn’t get regular meals from their school. I completely agree with the psychological affects the last 2 years has had on the younger kids
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 10:15:02 GMT -6
Yeah I get what you’re saying. Everyone has a sob story but also it is way harder right now than it has been in the past. One positive about all the contact tracing quarantines is we no longer get sh!t about the act aspire because one positive is like a grenade in your class room Your district has actually stopped caring about test scores? We all just got taken to task for why our kids didn't do better on their district winter benchmarks, which is something our central office makes that literally only our district cares about. We had to do an item-by-item analysis of how our kids did on each question and explain why they didn't all get it all right. Meanwhile I'd been on the job 3 weeks when we gave it. I am already the 3rd longest tenured person in my department after being on the job for 3 months. I seldom see over 75% attendance in any of my classes. Our two principals are spending all their time putting out fires (sometimes literally) with kids vandalizing the school, doing drugs, or going off on teachers and we've already had numerous kids (in a school of only 400) hospitalized for suicide attempts, with one "successfully" completing earlier this year. Also, the only kid I have who wears a mask wears it on his chin with both his nose and mouth uncovered. He insists on wearing the mask and will lose his $hit if he doesn't have it, though. It's still better than working in healthcare right now. Test scores? They stopped caring about whether kids/teachers came to school or not. We have teacher who are lying in bed in their panjamas in dept meetings. And we dont have a kid who failed, been held back in 2 years. Put another way, EVERYBODY PASSES Moves to next grade, graduates, whether they come to school or not, much less do any work.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 16, 2022 11:34:15 GMT -6
A. The shutdowns have absolutely affected education across this country. Our district shut down till 4th qtr of last year, they held out till the absolute last chance they could to get kids back as our board was full of corona bros. On top of that they still offered a virtual option that all that time. So guess what....the schools are zoos right now cause everyone sat around on computers for a year and a half. Shocking I know....
B. Lots of people got reeeaaalllll comfy sitting at a computer all day and not dealing with in person issues. As we have been saying it's like working out, it takes awhile to get back in shape and people are super out of teaching shape.
C. I worked with self-contained classrooms all during the shut down and we were in person due to IEP requirements. Guess what? Those are the best rooms in the schools now. Shocking again...
At this point its endemic, it's part of nature now. Cold, flu, and covid. Get use to it and get back to normal. Also on top of all this I am beginning to transition into administration (please dont throw anything at me) during all this. Hate to say it but hearing all these sob stories from some teachers is getting old. People are 100% taking advantage of this and I really feel have bought into this mass hysteria of how bad it is. I see people walking into school defeated and bitter before their feet hit the halls. OF COURSE IT WILL SUCK WHEN YOU COME IN LIKE THAT!!
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Post by carookie on Jan 16, 2022 13:37:10 GMT -6
😂 they did observations??? Sadly, delta's mantra : "Suck it up, get to work, do your job" cuts a few different ways. Another headbanging frustration... "the curriculum must continue!!!!". No thoughts of saying "Hey, this is a great time for review...no new instruction for 2 weeks during this period of high absenteeism (both teacher and student). Lets review, review, review". NOPE..we must push on. It is a fairly large and diverse district (35,000 students, 57 schools) -- there are highly qualified teachers who left the classroom to be "coaches" (not athletic) and curriculum specialists. Instead of being used in student contact roles (teachers/subs etc.) they are leading from the front by continuing to tell the rank and file what they are doing wrong and what they should be doing daily. So, from that standpoint, I would side with the teachers in the picture over others. I wouldn't necessarily agree with them, but I would side with them over the other side of the argument. Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, become curriculum specialist, educational specialists, etc.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 16, 2022 14:29:41 GMT -6
Sadly, delta's mantra : "Suck it up, get to work, do your job" cuts a few different ways. Another headbanging frustration... "the curriculum must continue!!!!". No thoughts of saying "Hey, this is a great time for review...no new instruction for 2 weeks during this period of high absenteeism (both teacher and student). Lets review, review, review". NOPE..we must push on. It is a fairly large and diverse district (35,000 students, 57 schools) -- there are highly qualified teachers who left the classroom to be "coaches" (not athletic) and curriculum specialists. Instead of being used in student contact roles (teachers/subs etc.) they are leading from the front by continuing to tell the rank and file what they are doing wrong and what they should be doing daily. So, from that standpoint, I would side with the teachers in the picture over others. I wouldn't necessarily agree with them, but I would side with them over the other side of the argument. Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, become curriculum specialist, educational specialists, etc.
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 16, 2022 15:25:44 GMT -6
I may be too optimistic but the need for good coaches and a good structured football program should become invaluable now more than ever. If we can re-instill some positive values in the ones we are able to get, that must count for something. Tall order I know. I'm not THAT naive.
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 16, 2022 15:28:34 GMT -6
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Post by coachscdub on Jan 16, 2022 17:55:47 GMT -6
Online instruction sucks....been there, done that, it doesnt work...... Even with all the technology we now have, instruction needs to be face to face. As someone who was in school (credential program) during remote learning i loved it, my grades shot up and it was a positive experience for me regarding academics. I know why others dont want to do it. I feel bad 'wishing' to do it, but for me academically as well as health wise it would be great. But obviously the world doesnt revolve around me and so i have to go with whats happening, that being said i can still 'wish' for an alternative.
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Post by tog on Jan 19, 2022 7:08:27 GMT -6
All I can say is that I'm happy to be retired. so much this and let's not let this turn into a politics thread that mods will have to move.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 19, 2022 7:24:53 GMT -6
I really don't know where to start. I tell people I will never blame COVID for all the problems, but it sure as hell didn't help one gosh darn thing.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 19, 2022 8:56:02 GMT -6
Look...we aren't working in a coal mine. This crap is ridiculous. Suck it up. Get your a$$ to work, and do your job: ibb.co/n8y2XDxwe get paid $40 to cover another class so bring it on
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 19, 2022 9:31:43 GMT -6
I worked for a district that paid us for covering classes during our prep hour. The best part was, they lump-sum paid it at the end of each semester. I never said no and it made a nice Christmas bonus for me every year.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 19, 2022 10:08:53 GMT -6
Look...we aren't working in a coal mine. This crap is ridiculous. Suck it up. Get your a$$ to work, and do your job: ibb.co/n8y2XDxwe get paid $40 to cover another class so bring it on I have subbed almost every prep hour for the past 2 1/2 or three weeks to a similar amount of money. It adds up and I am appreciative of that. I know other places where that is not in the contract.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 19, 2022 10:10:08 GMT -6
IMO, we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.... We've gotten hit hard with staff members and kids out throughout all of this. To the point where we probably should've been shut down. But, remote instruction has absolutely, positively and utterly failed around here. We closed up shop for two and half weeks last year and nothing was accomplished.
So, we're just pushing through it because it's our best option. We have some staff members who really want us to go back to remote learning. I can empathize with them to a point, but only to a point. They know online learning is beyond ineffective and they knew this year was going to be tough. So, either keep your mouth shut and push forward or quit.
As an aside, those same teachers are the ones who take 15 days off every year, refuse to get a masters to bump their pay and were b-tching about the bug long before covid hit.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 19, 2022 10:28:32 GMT -6
I worked for a district that paid us for covering classes during our prep hour. The best part was, they lump-sum paid it at the end of each semester. I never said no and it made a nice Christmas bonus for me every year. I'll add to this that another nice component was I still got to prep. The absent teachers were expecting to have a sub for their classes, so generally speaking you were either pressing play on a VCR (yes that's how long ago this was) or handing out a worksheet and simply monitoring the kids. Obviously, I couldn't run and make copies or anything like that, but I basically got paid for doing what I normally would have been doing during a prep hour, just had to watch some kids at the same time.
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Post by fantom on Jan 19, 2022 10:36:55 GMT -6
IMO, we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.... We've gotten hit hard with staff members and kids out throughout all of this. To the point where we probably should've been shut down. But, remote instruction has absolutely, positively and utterly failed around here. We closed up shop for two and half weeks last year and nothing was accomplished. So, we're just pushing through it because it's our best option. We have some staff members who really want us to go back to remote learning. I can empathize with them to a point, but only to a point. They know online learning is beyond ineffective and they knew this year was going to be tough. So, either keep your mouth shut and push forward or quit. As an aside, those same teachers are the ones who take 15 days off every year, refuse to get a masters to bump their pay and were b-tching about the bug long before covid hit. What do they get if they don't use their sick days?
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Post by coachcb on Jan 19, 2022 10:50:01 GMT -6
IMO, we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.... We've gotten hit hard with staff members and kids out throughout all of this. To the point where we probably should've been shut down. But, remote instruction has absolutely, positively and utterly failed around here. We closed up shop for two and half weeks last year and nothing was accomplished. So, we're just pushing through it because it's our best option. We have some staff members who really want us to go back to remote learning. I can empathize with them to a point, but only to a point. They know online learning is beyond ineffective and they knew this year was going to be tough. So, either keep your mouth shut and push forward or quit. As an aside, those same teachers are the ones who take 15 days off every year, refuse to get a masters to bump their pay and were b-tching about the bug long before covid hit. What do they get if they don't use their sick days?
We still have the ten paid Covid days, beyond our PTO. Most have used those up as well. I imagine it's another reason they want to go remote. We've had a few who've ended up taking unpaid days, pre-pandemic. I trudged around here for a month with bronchitis, took three Covid tests (all negative) and missed one day of work. Not because I'm a workaholic but because we didn't have any friggin' subs.
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Post by fantom on Jan 19, 2022 10:55:21 GMT -6
What do they get if they don't use their sick days?
We still have the ten paid Covid days, beyond our PTO. Most have used those up as well. I imagine it's another reason they want to go remote. We've had a few who've ended up taking unpaid days, pre-pandemic.
I mean, what do teachers get if they don't use the sick days that they're allowed in their contract?
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Post by coachcb on Jan 19, 2022 11:01:22 GMT -6
We still have the ten paid Covid days, beyond our PTO. Most have used those up as well. I imagine it's another reason they want to go remote. We've had a few who've ended up taking unpaid days, pre-pandemic.
I mean, what do teachers get if they don't use the sick days that they're allowed in their contract?
They all roll over and can be cashed out at $75/day if/when they leave the school. We are capped at the number we can cash out; I believe it's 1/3 of the banked days. You can also use a certain number of those days (200 I believe) and put them towards retirement (i.e. retire one year early).
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 19, 2022 11:11:46 GMT -6
We cargo at 90 and the payout is dumb pay not my daily rate
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Post by fantom on Jan 19, 2022 11:18:36 GMT -6
I mean, what do teachers get if they don't use the sick days that they're allowed in their contract?
They all roll over and can be cashed out at $75/day if/when they leave the school. We are capped at the number we can cash out; I believe it's 1/3 of the banked days. You can also use a certain number of those days (200 I believe) and put them towards retirement (i.e. retire one year early).
So, if you don't think you'll retire there, what's the inventive to NOT take two-thirds of your sick days?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 11:22:37 GMT -6
I am working from home!!! So you understand that means I see….50 students….as opposed to 150 Dont worry they cant fail, they dont have to do anything, my assignment are purely optional…..LOL! Kids are to big to fail. And they are paying me for nothingness.
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