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Post by fantom on Oct 31, 2021 7:44:08 GMT -6
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Post by blb on Oct 31, 2021 8:00:14 GMT -6
That is just bad. Inglewood coach should at least be suspended. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 31, 2021 8:11:23 GMT -6
What is the point of doing stuff like this other than to be an {censored}?
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Post by blb on Oct 31, 2021 9:24:21 GMT -6
What is the point of doing stuff like this other than to be an {censored}? Another guy who has no idea (or doesn't care) what HS sports are supposed to be about and shouldn't be coaching them. |
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Post by carookie on Oct 31, 2021 9:47:03 GMT -6
Welcome to Southern California.
Four years ago this team was winless; then they bring in a new coach and magically several seniors transfer over who became their leading rushers and QB. The key to winning is recruiting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 11:36:04 GMT -6
What is the point of doing stuff like this other than to be an {censored}? Stats and media attention? 13 TD passes in a single game can go a long way towards getting your QB in record books and on the All State team. I know of a coach who would pull stuff like this for a couple of years because he wanted his QB to graduate with a bunch of passing records. It never got this bad, but they were calling timeouts in the 4th quarter with the starters in to get some more stats for the kid even though games were well decided. I’ve also coached against a D-Bag who was already up on us by 42, called timeout with his starters in and about 35 seconds left, then threw 4 verts at the endzone 3 straight times until he scored again. That guy has similar ethics in other areas of coaching, too. It’s crap, but that’s the ESPN effect on HS sports for you. |
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Post by carookie on Oct 31, 2021 11:52:51 GMT -6
What is the point of doing stuff like this other than to be an {censored}? Stats and media attention? 13 TD passes in a single game can go a long way towards getting your QB in record books and on the All State team. I know of a coach who would pull stuff like this for a couple of years because he wanted his QB to graduate with a bunch of passing records. It never got this bad, but they were calling timeouts in the 4th quarter with the starters in to get some more stats for the kid even though games were well decided. I’ve also coached against a D-Bag who was already up on us by 42, called timeout with his starters in and about 35 seconds left, then threw 4 verts at the endzone 3 straight times until he scored again. That guy has similar ethics in other areas of coaching, too. It’s crap, but that’s the ESPN effect on HS sports for you. Exactly, for every parent who sees this as 'classless' and 'unsportsmanlike' there is someone who will see this as an example of a coach who will get their kid to play at that high of a level. Those parents who see it as classless arent going to be transferring their kids over, but the other group just might. And with that you keep the talent level coming in, you keep winning. And, if this coach really believes in his stuff, he is in his mind helping these new kids get a better shot at getting their college paid for. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 31, 2021 12:01:32 GMT -6
What is the point of doing stuff like this other than to be an {censored}? Stats and media attention? 13 TD passes in a single game can go a long way towards getting your QB in record books and on the All State team. I know of a coach who would pull stuff like this for a couple of years because he wanted his QB to graduate with a bunch of passing records. It never got this bad, but they were calling timeouts in the 4th quarter with the starters in to get some more stats for the kid even though games were well decided. I’ve also coached against a D-Bag who was already up on us by 42, called timeout with his starters in and about 35 seconds left, then threw 4 verts at the endzone 3 straight times until he scored again. That guy has similar ethics in other areas of coaching, too. It’s crap, but that’s the ESPN effect on HS sports for you.The irony is that ESPN is now (political affiliations aside) extremely involved in avoiding hurt feelings. |
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Post by tog on Oct 31, 2021 12:07:06 GMT -6
What is the point of doing stuff like this other than to be an {censored}? Stats and media attention? 13 TD passes in a single game can go a long way towards getting your QB in record books and on the All State team. I know of a coach who would pull stuff like this for a couple of years because he wanted his QB to graduate with a bunch of passing records. It never got this bad, but they were calling timeouts in the 4th quarter with the starters in to get some more stats for the kid even though games were well decided. I’ve also coached against a D-Bag who was already up on us by 42, called timeout with his starters in and about 35 seconds left, then threw 4 verts at the endzone 3 straight times until he scored again. That guy has similar ethics in other areas of coaching, too. It’s crap, but that’s the ESPN effect on HS sports for you. just sad and yes, thanks a lot espn and low attention span culture that needs to be "entertained" with "aggressive" offense |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 31, 2021 12:38:49 GMT -6
Stats and media attention? 13 TD passes in a single game can go a long way towards getting your QB in record books and on the All State team. I know of a coach who would pull stuff like this for a couple of years because he wanted his QB to graduate with a bunch of passing records. It never got this bad, but they were calling timeouts in the 4th quarter with the starters in to get some more stats for the kid even though games were well decided. I’ve also coached against a D-Bag who was already up on us by 42, called timeout with his starters in and about 35 seconds left, then threw 4 verts at the endzone 3 straight times until he scored again. That guy has similar ethics in other areas of coaching, too. It’s crap, but that’s the ESPN effect on HS sports for you. just sad and yes, thanks a lot espn and low attention span culture that needs to be "entertained" with "aggressive" offense Coach – I don’t know if the style of offense really has much to do with this. I believe anyone who’s been in the coaching business for any substantial period of time has probably seen a matchup where a team that runs the ball the vast majority of time could end up with a score like that. Several years ago John Curtis played in a jamboree matchup where they ran seven plays in the first half and scored seven touchdowns in the first half |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 31, 2021 12:44:48 GMT -6
Reason we're screwed as a society #7194- the majority of people on the cesspool known as Twitter see absolutely nothing wrong with this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 13:29:07 GMT -6
just sad and yes, thanks a lot espn and low attention span culture that needs to be "entertained" with "aggressive" offense Coach – I don’t know if the style of office really has much to do with this. I believe anyone who’s been in the coaching business for any substantial period of time has probably seen a matchup where a team that runs the ball the vast majority of time could end up with a score like that. Several years ago John Curtis played in a jamboree matchup where they ran seven please in the first half and scored seven touchdowns in the first half I understand this. HS football can be so lopsided that some teams can hang 70 on a team by halftime just m running power or veer. I also get at a small school, you may not have a second team to put in. Then there’s the Bobby Bowden argument that games like that may be your backups’ only time to shine, so it’s not fair to them to put them in to sit on the football for a quarter or two. It is still the defense’s job to stop you. So the whole “blowout=poor sportsmanship” doesn’t always hold water with me. However… there’s a big gap between that and 13 TD passes from one kid while the other team remains scoreless. There’s no way you beat a team like this unless you are actively trying to run it up for egotistical i purposes, which is not a good look. If nothing else, it’s stupid to risk your starters’ health once you’re up by about 60. If that QB had suffered a major injury trying to throw TD pass #11 or #12 in that game, it would fall squarely on the coach’s shoulders. I guess their coach might have his eyes on Kevin Kelley’s job now… |
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Post by wingtol on Oct 31, 2021 15:02:38 GMT -6
I was shocked, SHOCKED, to read this about the coach that scored 106.....
Inglewood head coach Mil’Von James is in his third season. He was head coach at Hawkins in the City Section until being fired following the 2016 season when his team had to forfeit every victory for using ineligible players and the program was placed on two years’ probation for rules violations. He has seven players on this year’s team committed to major universities. All are transfer students.
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Post by coachscdub on Oct 31, 2021 15:18:40 GMT -6
Just saw a college team that won 92-0 yesterday, and no one blinked an eye.
I am BY NO MEANS defending the Inglewood coach and I realize this is all subjective but at what point do you draw the line? What score is too high? Again not expecting a consensus answer I am genuinely curious where you all as individuals would draw the line.
As someone who's been on both sides of a stat line like this I have my own opinions.
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 31, 2021 15:34:43 GMT -6
I know dudes in so-cal. Apparently the other coach refused running clock and some other things going on. I also know that in CA a lot of teams only dress 2-deep if they have it... it isn't like here where you can dress your kids who played JV and get them some time in a blowout.
If some of what I heard is correct, the guy that lost by 106 has some of the blame too
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Post by carookie on Oct 31, 2021 16:11:53 GMT -6
I know dudes in so-cal. Apparently the other coach refused running clock and some other things going on. I also know that in CA a lot of teams only dress 2-deep if they have it... it isn't like here where you can dress your kids who played JV and get them some time in a blowout.If some of what I heard is correct, the guy that lost by 106 has some of the blame too In So Cal you can dress JV kids who played the day before. I have had kids play significant minutes in back to back days. To that point, Inglewood's roster on Maxpreps has over 50 kids, of which I am sure one of them is a backup QB I read that the losing coach requested a running clock in the first half, but Inglewood declined |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 31, 2021 16:15:52 GMT -6
I was shocked, SHOCKED, to read this about the coach that scored 106..... Inglewood head coach Mil’Von James is in his third season. He was head coach at Hawkins in the City Section until being fired following the 2016 season when his team had to forfeit every victory for using ineligible players and the program was placed on two years’ probation for rules violations. He has seven players on this year’s team committed to major universities. All are transfer students. Wonder if he is a faculty member |
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Post by mrjvi on Oct 31, 2021 16:27:04 GMT -6
You can always find a way to prevent that from happening. I'm embarrassed hearing about it.
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 31, 2021 16:43:00 GMT -6
I know dudes in so-cal. Apparently the other coach refused running clock and some other things going on. I also know that in CA a lot of teams only dress 2-deep if they have it... it isn't like here where you can dress your kids who played JV and get them some time in a blowout.If some of what I heard is correct, the guy that lost by 106 has some of the blame too In So Cal you can dress JV kids who played the day before. I have had kids play significant minutes in back to back days. To that point, Inglewood's roster on Maxpreps has over 50 kids, of which I am sure one of them is a backup QB I read that the losing coach requested a running clock in the first half, but Inglewood declined I just saw someone refused the clock. When I coached in Central section CA we couldn't play kids for both games. At the end if the day it really doesn't matter... what goes around comes around |
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Post by carookie on Oct 31, 2021 17:01:58 GMT -6
In So Cal you can dress JV kids who played the day before. I have had kids play significant minutes in back to back days. To that point, Inglewood's roster on Maxpreps has over 50 kids, of which I am sure one of them is a backup QB I read that the losing coach requested a running clock in the first half, but Inglewood declined I just saw someone refused the clock. When I coached in Central section CA we couldn't play kids for both games. At the end if the day it really doesn't matter... what goes around comes around Yeah they gotta play St Bonnie first week in the playoffs, different ball of wax |
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Post by Defcord on Oct 31, 2021 17:39:51 GMT -6
We played a team when I was a head coach whose qb had set the state record for td passes in a game earlier that year at 9.
We beat them in the playoffs and they didn’t have a completion and we had 5 interceptions.
The coach of the team that they set the record against, who I had never met, sought me out at a clinic and gave our staff a nice bottle of whiskey.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 31, 2021 17:40:58 GMT -6
We were up 63-0 against a team at half. We already had starters out by the third drive. Just ran our offense.
We met as coaches at halftime and I told them that we were not going end up on national news. Final score: 63-21
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Post by tog on Oct 31, 2021 18:21:50 GMT -6
just sad and yes, thanks a lot espn and low attention span culture that needs to be "entertained" with "aggressive" offense Coach – I don’t know if the style of offense really has much to do with this. I believe anyone who’s been in the coaching business for any substantial period of time has probably seen a matchup where a team that runs the ball the vast majority of time could end up with a score like that. Several years ago John Curtis played in a jamboree matchup where they ran seven please in the first half and scored seven touchdowns in the first half that's the point I could have called plays that took us over 100 pts multiple times we did not because we weren't not worried about pr bs |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 18:49:29 GMT -6
It’s just lack of class. And on so many levels.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 31, 2021 19:11:25 GMT -6
Coach – I don’t know if the style of offense really has much to do with this. I believe anyone who’s been in the coaching business for any substantial period of time has probably seen a matchup where a team that runs the ball the vast majority of time could end up with a score like that. Several years ago John Curtis played in a jamboree matchup where they ran seven please in the first half and scored seven touchdowns in the first half that's the point I could have called plays that took us over 100 pts multiple times we did not because we weren't not worried about pr bs I got it. I thought your comments on offenses were referring to the QB throwing double digit TD passes, and play style. I was just pointing out Curtis, because I believe most if not all of those plays were either cutback, IV, or just a base blocked dive. In Curtis's case, it wasn't about playcalling, it was about substitutions. |
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Post by coachbb on Oct 31, 2021 19:32:49 GMT -6
Won a game 90-32 a few years ago.
Believe me, we weren't even trying to run the score up. We had all backups in on offense, and our third-string RB busted runs of 51, 55, and 65 yards on the first play of some series.
However, the other team continued to pass the ball for incompletions- meaning their series only took about 15 seconds off the game clock.
This situation sounds bad, but since then I'll always reserve judgment on these types of situations. Sometimes you just run into a team that quits in the middle of the game, while your back-ups (who have been itching to make their mark all year-long) are hungry and fired up.
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Post by carookie on Oct 31, 2021 20:37:53 GMT -6
Won a game 90-32 a few years ago. Believe me, we weren't even trying to run the score up. We had all backups in on offense, and our third-string RB busted runs of 51, 55, and 65 yards on the first play of some series. However, the other team continued to pass the ball for incompletions- meaning their series only took about 15 seconds off the game clock. This situation sounds bad, but since then I'll always reserve judgment on these types of situations. Sometimes you just run into a team that quits in the middle of the game, while your back-ups (who have been itching to make their mark all year-long) are hungry and fired up. I'm sure we've all been there. Few years back we were up 49-0 at the end of the 1st Qtr in a playoff game, half time was 73-0. What we did is got in as many backups as we could, not keeping our starting QB in at the end (and we had a smaller roster than the one shown here). We also agreed to a running clock as soon as it was asked for. The only thing we did that was anywhere near odd was kick a FG on 3rd down midway through the 2nd; but that was because we had a stud kicker and wanted him to get the school record kick. But that probably cost us 4 points. As you implied, the final score in itself is not enough to indicate an issue, but all the peripheral factors we know point to it being running up the score. |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 31, 2021 20:42:48 GMT -6
Won a game 90-32 a few years ago. Believe me, we weren't even trying to run the score up. We had all backups in on offense, and our third-string RB busted runs of 51, 55, and 65 yards on the first play of some series. However, the other team continued to pass the ball for incompletions- meaning their series only took about 15 seconds off the game clock. This situation sounds bad, but since then I'll always reserve judgment on these types of situations. Sometimes you just run into a team that quits in the middle of the game, while your back-ups (who have been itching to make their mark all year-long) are hungry and fired up. 90-32 with backups is 100% different from 106-0 with starting qb throwing 13 td’s. Sometimes, it just is what it is. Sometimes, a jerk is the head coach. Period. |
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Post by fantom on Oct 31, 2021 20:51:38 GMT -6
Just saw a college team that won 92-0 yesterday, and no one blinked an eye. I am BY NO MEANS defending the Inglewood coach and I realize this is all subjective but at what point do you draw the line? What score is too high? Again not expecting a consensus answer I am genuinely curious where you all as individuals would draw the line. As someone who's been on both sides of a stat line like this I have my own opinions. I don't know where the line is but it's somewhere before your QB is throwing his 13th TD in the 4th quarter when you're up by about a hundred. |
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Post by carookie on Oct 31, 2021 22:01:21 GMT -6
I'm just waiting for the obligatory, "hey its their job to score points, and the other team's job to stop them."
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