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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 7, 2021 12:43:12 GMT -6
3. I think the 3 yards for illegal man downfield wouldn't be so bad if they enforced it better. But I would really worry about moving it to 1. It creates so much gray area and makes it more subjective. Also, does it mean that OL must pass set on any pass? That's not right IMO and would honestly be devastating for the protection of HS QBs. I would agree that loss of down is a very fair addition here. I would say keep it at 3, enforce it, and add a loss of down. Are you saying you're OK with an ineligible receiver firing out at a LB who's 3 yards downfield? Or only that they should be allowed to engage and then keep moving forward until they're up to 3 yards downfield?
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Post by kcbazooka on Apr 7, 2021 15:43:52 GMT -6
My “one change” is all encompassing. Make the hs, college, and pro rules all the same. It would be so much simpler... ewwww having to use the nfl rules? that would stink of course I didn't say high schools should play by NFL rules. I said it would be good if all played by the same rules. Its make believe but there could be some giant consortium where the keenest minds on all levels could get together to set a common rulebook. Each head coach could get a vote !!! One for Belichek, one for Saban and one for the high school coach in mid-missouri...
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 7, 2021 18:13:17 GMT -6
College Hashes Can throw ball away outside the box - college and NFL rule minimum of 6 refs Loss of down with ineligible downfield I would have changed the cutting rule to immediate cutting in the box, but that is a new rule. Offensive holding is 10 from LOS or downfield. Maybe eliminate kickoff Kickers can't advance a blocked punt or fg If a ball is touched beyond the neutral zone by the returners and is recovered by the kickers (punt or fg), it has to get past the first down marker for the kickers to get a first down. Otherwise, it is still the returners ball. 4th and 30 and you kick a crappy punt that accidentally hits a returner 10 yards down field. Returners still get the ball. Overtime from the 25. Much better than the 10 in high school. I would move the college ot back to the 40 or 50. Offensive Holding being a 10 yd penalty from the LOS when it's committed in the backfield is the one I was going to add to the list. I've seen too many ticky-tack calls behind the play take us from 3rd & 7 to 2nd & 25. It's an absolute drive killer. Yeah, I get that, but on the flip side a 10 yard penalty from LOS (and repeat the down) vs a 7-10 yard loss and loss of down (sack). Doesn't seem like any type of punishment for offense. Much better to just hold than it is give up the sack. Not much incentive to not hold all the time and hope to get away with it.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 8, 2021 7:09:02 GMT -6
Offensive Holding being a 10 yd penalty from the LOS when it's committed in the backfield is the one I was going to add to the list. I've seen too many ticky-tack calls behind the play take us from 3rd & 7 to 2nd & 25. It's an absolute drive killer. Yeah, I get that, but on the flip side a 10 yard penalty from LOS (and repeat the down) vs a 7-10 yard loss and loss of down (sack). Doesn't seem like any type of punishment for offense. Much better to just hold than it is give up the sack. Not much incentive to not hold all the time and hope to get away with it. Disagree. 1st and 20 is plenty incentive to not hold. 1st and 27 is just to punitive. I understand what you are saying, but that is after the fact thinking. You get sacked, man, we should have held. Just because you hold, does not mean that you would have given up a sack for sure anyways. Another example is the wing t on buck sweep. Pulling lead guard gets called for holding (of course he really didn't - dang ref - ha). Let's say he is 4 yards in the backfield. It is now 1st and 24. If he doesn't even touch the guy, the hb most likely could have cut up for a 1 yard gain anyways. so 2nd and 9 vs 1st and 24. 2nd and 9 - fine in the wing t. 1st and 24, you aren't converting unless you are just better or get lucky.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Apr 8, 2021 8:49:33 GMT -6
If we are going to talk about offensive holding as a spot foul being too punitive and a "drive killer" then I would submit that no defensive fouls should result in an automatic first down. Mark off the yardage and give a first down if it puts the ball past the sticks, otherwise play whatever the remaining yards to gain are, like the change that was made to DPI a few years ago.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 8, 2021 9:14:50 GMT -6
If we are going to talk about offensive holding as a spot foul being too punitive and a "drive killer" then I would submit that no defensive fouls should result in an automatic first down. Mark off the yardage and give a first down if it puts the ball past the sticks, otherwise play whatever the remaining yards to gain are, like the change that was made to DPI a few years ago. I agree with this...Almost. It can come back to make it even better for the offense. The very first year the new rule came out, we had a team with 1st and 17. We get DPI. So guess what, they got 1st and 2!!!! We would have much rather that be 1st and 10. So fix that situation and then all is good.
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Post by mattman2 on Apr 8, 2021 10:24:48 GMT -6
Was having a conversation about high school football with a buddy and he eventually asked me what would be something i would want to see changed at the high school level and i was torn between two things but one eventually won out, that being i would like it if we moved the Hashes inward to the college Hashes because i dont love the limited space into the boundary currently. Just wondering what other things people would pick if they could change just one aspect. Fumbling out of bounds should be a turnover, like it is in the end zone.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 8, 2021 11:19:55 GMT -6
Was having a conversation about high school football with a buddy and he eventually asked me what would be something i would want to see changed at the high school level and i was torn between two things but one eventually won out, that being i would like it if we moved the Hashes inward to the college Hashes because i dont love the limited space into the boundary currently. Just wondering what other things people would pick if they could change just one aspect. Fumbling out of bounds should be a turnover, like it is in the end zone. That would at least make it consistent and is better than a fumble out of bounds in endzone is a turnover but no where else is. B But I would change the fumble out of the endzone to not being a turnover. The offense gets it on the 20 with a loss of down. So if it was 4th down, the defense gets it on the 20.
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Post by fantom on Apr 8, 2021 11:37:40 GMT -6
Fumbling out of bounds should be a turnover, like it is in the end zone. That would at least make it consistent and is better than a fumble out of bounds in endzone is a turnover but no where else is. B But I would change the fumble out of the endzone to not being a turnover. The offense gets it on the 20 with a loss of down. So if it was 4th down, the defense gets it on the 20. The only way I'd change the touchback rule would be if the offensive team couldn't score by recovering their own fumble for a TD.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 8, 2021 13:11:14 GMT -6
That would at least make it consistent and is better than a fumble out of bounds in endzone is a turnover but no where else is. B But I would change the fumble out of the endzone to not being a turnover. The offense gets it on the 20 with a loss of down. So if it was 4th down, the defense gets it on the 20. The only way I'd change the touchback rule would be if the offensive team couldn't score by recovering their own fumble for a TD. Which I proposed earlier saying that the offense can't advance a fumble.
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Post by fantom on Apr 8, 2021 14:16:37 GMT -6
The only way I'd change the touchback rule would be if the offensive team couldn't score by recovering their own fumble for a TD. Which I proposed earlier saying that the offense can't advance a fumble. Missed that. Lotta stuff going on here.
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Post by blb on Apr 8, 2021 14:34:03 GMT -6
I suspect a lot of NFHS rules are constructed to make things easier on the civilians who officiate the games.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 8, 2021 15:07:12 GMT -6
ewwww having to use the nfl rules? that would stink of course I didn't say high schools should play by NFL rules. I said it would be good if all played by the same rules. Its make believe but there could be some giant consortium where the keenest minds on all levels could get together to set a common rulebook. Each head coach could get a vote !!! One for Belichek, one for Saban and one for the high school coach in mid-missouri... That's sort of how it started out, except instead of a giant consortium it was always a fairly small committee. The history of this goes back to the 19th Century in both Britain and North America, where once rapid transportation (basically the railroads) became affordable to many, there was pressure to conform the great number of local versions of football to one that everybody could play together. Clearly that wasn't going to happen, because there were preferences for different types of game, as we still see today in much of the world, but most of the local variants of football did die out. There were various playing circuits formed, and then conventions and negotiations to try to consolidate further, which were partly successful. Rugby "escaped" from Britain before it was standardized, and it became popular as one of the types of football played by the college students who started to organize teams for both intramural and extramural play in the USA. It was not the most popular version of football in the geographic area where US intercollegiate football got off the ground; the most popular versions played by reg'lar folks in the Northeast are now extinct. However, it caught on enough among the collegians that a committee representing those who wanted to regularize play decided to adopt rugby as their game. By that time the game had been standardized by the Rugby Football Union in England, so this committee obtained a copy of their rules and in 1876 adopted them almost verbatim, superseding the variants that were being played in Canada and the USA. However, they did not establish ties to the RFU and did not keep current with changes there after that point, but they did start to meet regularly. Within a few years even those colleges that were not represented or had been outvoted on the Intercollegiate Football Association decided to adopt the rules committee's game, and this continued for a good number of years. However, there were two periods when brief breakaways developed, resulting for a few seasons in 2 or 3 regional versions of the rules. The differences were quickly patched up. And that's the way it stood until well into the 20th Century, with one set of rules that everybody at all levels used, formulated by the Football Rules Committee, which got taken over by the NCAA. I'm guessing -- just guessing on general principles because I have no sources -- that there were a few minor variants around in local high school leagues going into the 1930s. 6 man football was concocted independently, long before being absorbed by NFHS. But it was only in the 1930s that the high schools and pros started formulating football rules for their own use, and even then they stayed close until the 1940s, and still pretty close for many decades after that. It was only in the 1970s that NFL's rules started to diverge much faster from the others. However, Federation football rules proved so popular that for a brief period around 1960 there was a Football Alliance formed by NFHS, the NAIA, and NJCAA to play by those rules instead of NCAA's. NFHS still controlled their football rules committee, but started to take some input from those other organizations, formulating "Alliance Rules". But it broke up after not long, and the Federation went back to formulating for high schools and youth. In the 1970s the NCAA and NFHS formed a liaison committee to discuss working together on football rules -- not with the goal of converging their sets of rules, but for study and advisory purposes. The liaison committee was dissolved in the 1980s, and since then it's seemed more like a rivalry encouraging petty differences. In the early 21st Century there has been an effort to consolidate men's and women's minor league football rules into one widely used set by the United States Football Association -- the USFA, as opposed to NFL's front group, USAF. In the late 20th Century there had been a proliferation of league playing rules in the minors, usually some cut-and-paste from the same or previous year's NFL, NCAA, and NFHS rules. The USFA's effort was the first to try to get uniformity in their rules without forming into a single circuit for regular season or post-season play, as MPFA and later the AFA had been doing. As far as I know, the International Federation for American Football has tried to get national football federations to play by contemporary NCAA rules. Canadian football took a longer time to make their rules geographically uniform, largely because of different preferences in how they wanted to play the game. Once they did, they kept a single rules set shared by the amateurs and professionals until the CFL formed in the 1950s. But then in the 1960s they went back to a single authority for both sets of rules until the CFL broke out their own rules again in the 1970s. Divergence between Canadian amateur and professional football rules has been slow but accumulating.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 8, 2021 15:39:26 GMT -6
Yeah, I get that, but on the flip side a 10 yard penalty from LOS (and repeat the down) vs a 7-10 yard loss and loss of down (sack). Doesn't seem like any type of punishment for offense. Much better to just hold than it is give up the sack. Not much incentive to not hold all the time and hope to get away with it. Disagree. 1st and 20 is plenty incentive to not hold. 1st and 27 is just to punitive. I understand what you are saying, but that is after the fact thinking. You get sacked, man, we should have held. Just because you hold, does not mean that you would have given up a sack for sure anyways. Another example is the wing t on buck sweep. Pulling lead guard gets called for holding (of course he really didn't - dang ref - ha). Let's say he is 4 yards in the backfield. It is now 1st and 24. If he doesn't even touch the guy, the hb most likely could have cut up for a 1 yard gain anyways. so 2nd and 9 vs 1st and 24. 2nd and 9 - fine in the wing t. 1st and 24, you aren't converting unless you are just better or get lucky. We play wing T, and although the front guard pulls what I'd consider deep, 4 yards is seriously deep! Usually if someone gets flagged for holding, the runner at that time is deeper than that spot, so I think you're underestimating the loss-of-yardage possibilities there -- more so on pass plays. Maybe he escapes for a gain, maybe even a big one, but using the spot of the foul for enforcement of a down-repeated penalty doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 8, 2021 15:53:40 GMT -6
Was having a conversation about high school football with a buddy and he eventually asked me what would be something i would want to see changed at the high school level and i was torn between two things but one eventually won out, that being i would like it if we moved the Hashes inward to the college Hashes because i dont love the limited space into the boundary currently. Just wondering what other things people would pick if they could change just one aspect. Fumbling out of bounds should be a turnover, like it is in the end zone. Not only do I not like that on general principles, but it's going to introduce more close calls. There'd still be just as many close calls over whether a player recovered the ball before it went out of bounds, but add new ones over whether a player fumbled before going out of bounds. And it'll add an incentive for defenders to touch ground out of bounds while touching the ball near a sideline, and that too will often be a close call.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 8, 2021 15:55:54 GMT -6
I suspect a lot of NFHS rules are constructed to make things easier on the civilians who officiate the games. You don't have to suspect that, they state it as one of their objectives.
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Post by coachklee on Apr 8, 2021 16:26:48 GMT -6
College Hashes Can throw ball away outside the box - college and NFL rule minimum of 6 refs Loss of down with ineligible downfield I would have changed the cutting rule to immediate cutting in the box, but that is a new rule. Offensive holding is 10 from LOS or downfield. Maybe eliminate kickoff Kickers can't advance a blocked punt or fg If a ball is touched beyond the neutral zone by the returners and is recovered by the kickers (punt or fg), it has to get past the first down marker for the kickers to get a first down. Otherwise, it is still the returners ball. 4th and 30 and you kick a crappy punt that accidentally hits a returner 10 yards down field. Returners still get the ball. Overtime from the 25. Much better than the 10 in high school. I would move the college ot back to the 40 or 50. Offensive Holding being a 10 yd penalty from the LOS when it's committed in the backfield is the one I was going to add to the list. I've seen too many ticky-tack calls behind the play take us from 3rd & 7 to 2nd & 25. It's an absolute drive killer. Meanwhile a hold on a passing play is only 10 yards from the LOS...without that hold 5 yards in the backfield the play would sometimes be a loss of 12+ yards.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 8, 2021 19:18:43 GMT -6
Yeah, I get that, but on the flip side a 10 yard penalty from LOS (and repeat the down) vs a 7-10 yard loss and loss of down (sack). Doesn't seem like any type of punishment for offense. Much better to just hold than it is give up the sack. Not much incentive to not hold all the time and hope to get away with it. Disagree. 1st and 20 is plenty incentive to not hold. 1st and 27 is just to punitive. I understand what you are saying, but that is after the fact thinking. You get sacked, man, we should have held. Just because you hold, does not mean that you would have given up a sack for sure anyways. Another example is the wing t on buck sweep. Pulling lead guard gets called for holding (of course he really didn't - dang ref - ha). Let's say he is 4 yards in the backfield. It is now 1st and 24. If he doesn't even touch the guy, the hb most likely could have cut up for a 1 yard gain anyways. so 2nd and 9 vs 1st and 24. 2nd and 9 - fine in the wing t. 1st and 24, you aren't converting unless you are just better or get lucky. I would say that 1st and 20 is a lot better than 2nd and 17. Would be interested in how many uncalled holding penalties are the cause of an "explosive" play for the offense. I understand your point as well. I would be interested in seeing a breakdown of the occurrences of each, as well as # of missed holding calls resulting in explosive plays.
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Post by tog on Apr 9, 2021 7:31:57 GMT -6
of course I didn't say high schools should play by NFL rules. I said it would be good if all played by the same rules. Its make believe but there could be some giant consortium where the keenest minds on all levels could get together to set a common rulebook. Each head coach could get a vote !!! One for Belichek, one for Saban and one for the high school coach in mid-missouri... That's sort of how it started out, except instead of a giant consortium it was always a fairly small committee. The history of this goes back to the 19th Century in both Britain and North America, where once rapid transportation (basically the railroads) became affordable to many, there was pressure to conform the great number of local versions of football to one that everybody could play together. Clearly that wasn't going to happen, because there were preferences for different types of game, as we still see today in much of the world, but most of the local variants of football did die out. There were various playing circuits formed, and then conventions and negotiations to try to consolidate further, which were partly successful. Rugby "escaped" from Britain before it was standardized, and it became popular as one of the types of football played by the college students who started to organize teams for both intramural and extramural play in the USA. It was not the most popular version of football in the geographic area where US intercollegiate football got off the ground; the most popular versions played by reg'lar folks in the Northeast are now extinct. However, it caught on enough among the collegians that a committee representing those who wanted to regularize play decided to adopt rugby as their game. By that time the game had been standardized by the Rugby Football Union in England, so this committee obtained a copy of their rules and in 1876 adopted them almost verbatim, superseding the variants that were being played in Canada and the USA. However, they did not establish ties to the RFU and did not keep current with changes there after that point, but they did start to meet regularly. Within a few years even those colleges that were not represented or had been outvoted on the Intercollegiate Football Association decided to adopt the rules committee's game, and this continued for a good number of years. However, there were two periods when brief breakaways developed, resulting for a few seasons in 2 or 3 regional versions of the rules. The differences were quickly patched up. And that's the way it stood until well into the 20th Century, with one set of rules that everybody at all levels used, formulated by the Football Rules Committee, which got taken over by the NCAA. I'm guessing -- just guessing on general principles because I have no sources -- that there were a few minor variants around in local high school leagues going into the 1930s. 6 man football was concocted independently, long before being absorbed by NFHS. But it was only in the 1930s that the high schools and pros started formulating football rules for their own use, and even then they stayed close until the 1940s, and still pretty close for many decades after that. It was only in the 1970s that NFL's rules started to diverge much faster from the others. However, Federation football rules proved so popular that for a brief period around 1960 there was a Football Alliance formed by NFHS, the NAIA, and NJCAA to play by those rules instead of NCAA's. NFHS still controlled their football rules committee, but started to take some input from those other organizations, formulating "Alliance Rules". But it broke up after not long, and the Federation went back to formulating for high schools and youth. In the 1970s the NCAA and NFHS formed a liaison committee to discuss working together on football rules -- not with the goal of converging their sets of rules, but for study and advisory purposes. The liaison committee was dissolved in the 1980s, and since then it's seemed more like a rivalry encouraging petty differences. In the early 21st Century there has been an effort to consolidate men's and women's minor league football rules into one widely used set by the United States Football Association -- the USFA, as opposed to NFL's front group, USAF. In the late 20th Century there had been a proliferation of league playing rules in the minors, usually some cut-and-paste from the same or previous year's NFL, NCAA, and NFHS rules. The USFA's effort was the first to try to get uniformity in their rules without forming into a single circuit for regular season or post-season play, as MPFA and later the AFA had been doing. As far as I know, the International Federation for American Football has tried to get national football federations to play by contemporary NCAA rules. Canadian football took a longer time to make their rules geographically uniform, largely because of different preferences in how they wanted to play the game. Once they did, they kept a single rules set shared by the amateurs and professionals until the CFL formed in the 1950s. But then in the 1960s they went back to a single authority for both sets of rules until the CFL broke out their own rules again in the 1970s. Divergence between Canadian amateur and professional football rules has been slow but accumulating. great post, thank you
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Post by lmorris on Apr 9, 2021 10:40:07 GMT -6
To answer the question, I don't know if I want to totally get rid of the offseason, but I would prefer a "dead week" to be turned into a dead month. Iowa offers baseball as a summer sport and if we did June as a dead month for other sports, a lot of conflict would be eliminated. In Arkansas the only sport this limits is Football. There are high school basketball teams playing together under the banner of AAU they only have to have 1 kid on their roster...not team just the roster from another school.
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Post by fantom on Apr 9, 2021 10:53:54 GMT -6
To answer the question, I don't know if I want to totally get rid of the offseason, but I would prefer a "dead week" to be turned into a dead month. Iowa offers baseball as a summer sport and if we did June as a dead month for other sports, a lot of conflict would be eliminated. In Arkansas the only sport this limits is Football. There are high school basketball teams playing together under the banner of AAU they only have to have 1 kid on their roster...not team just the roster from another school. I think that that's why Virginia changed their off-season rules. I think that football coaches saw that all of the other sports had ways to practice in the off-season so they asked, "Why not us?". They can practice football now and I'm sure more than a few of them regret it.
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Post by fantom on Apr 9, 2021 12:03:38 GMT -6
Boosters talking to coaches who wish they could cut back on off-season practice:
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 11, 2021 11:46:12 GMT -6
As long as we're on the subject, something I brought up in the thread leads to another change I'd like.
I like the scoring they use in archery, not in darts. It rubs me wrong that sometimes you can benefit by doing the opposite of what usually benefits you. I dislike your being penalized for getting close to your target. Say it's your 4th down, and you lose yardage back to your 10 yard line. That's bad. If you lose back to your 5, that's worse. If you lose to your 1 yard line, that's the worst. But if you lose yardage to your goal line or behind it, in most cases that's not as bad. WTF?
I wrote upthread that there were some situations where today a safety applies but long ago it would've been a touchdown. So how about any time you turn over the ball, whether on downs or by a kick, and the spot is behind your goal line, we make that a touchdown? If you're not turning the ball over, still a safety.
Not in the same spirit, and not even that it's any big deal to me, but anybody here know why they practically outlawed the planned loose ball play in the vicinity of the snapper -- like the Hugo special and the fumblerooski? Was it because officials were getting faked out?
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Post by bjohnson on Apr 11, 2021 16:56:38 GMT -6
The first thing that popped in my head was to get rid of high school hashes.
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Post by canesfan on Apr 11, 2021 20:33:51 GMT -6
Allow QBs to throw the ball away outside the pocket.
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Post by CoachSP on Apr 12, 2021 9:48:57 GMT -6
I would make off-season programs illegal. Judging by the quality of play I've seen the past couple years, and the physique of the players, they're not accomplishing anything anyway. I will be honest here- I think that may be just your experience. I think off-season work is creating a gap. The "have" teams look like studs and are playing at a higher level than years ago. The have nots are ...worse. While I agree with you regarding the offseason stuff, I think recruiting has gotten better for the "haves" as well.
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Post by coachcp on Apr 12, 2021 12:32:53 GMT -6
One NFHS rule that I would like to see changed bit us this spring "season". I have actually never heard of this but asked a white hat friend of mine from another state and he confirmed it.
We were called for defensive pass interference on a pass play where the receiver who was interfered with caught the ball for a touchdown. Per NFHS rules, the touchdown play stands and the 15 yard penalty is enforced on the kickoff. I asked my white hat friend if the ball was just caught in the field of play, would the penalty be tacked on at the end and he confirmed it would.
Totally weird to me. Seems like the defense gets penalized twice (allowing the play to stand AND getting the penalty yardage). The better rule would be to allow the offense to choose the result of the play OR the penalty like what is done at the college and pro level.
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Post by poundtherock1 on Apr 12, 2021 12:48:36 GMT -6
Yeah, I get that, but on the flip side a 10 yard penalty from LOS (and repeat the down) vs a 7-10 yard loss and loss of down (sack). Doesn't seem like any type of punishment for offense. Much better to just hold than it is give up the sack. Not much incentive to not hold all the time and hope to get away with it. Disagree. 1st and 20 is plenty incentive to not hold. 1st and 27 is just to punitive. I understand what you are saying, but that is after the fact thinking. You get sacked, man, we should have held. Just because you hold, does not mean that you would have given up a sack for sure anyways. Another example is the wing t on buck sweep. Pulling lead guard gets called for holding (of course he really didn't - dang ref - ha). Let's say he is 4 yards in the backfield. It is now 1st and 24. If he doesn't even touch the guy, the hb most likely could have cut up for a 1 yard gain anyways. so 2nd and 9 vs 1st and 24. 2nd and 9 - fine in the wing t. 1st and 24, you aren't converting unless you are just better or get lucky. I would add that the biggest reason holding should be LOS or spot downfield is because 99% of the time the guy throwing the flag for holding doesn't hit his mark with the flag. I've seen countless holdings occur on the line of scrimmage, but the umpire rips a flag 4-5 yards deep into the backfield and then not replace the flag to the spot.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 12, 2021 13:48:41 GMT -6
One NFHS rule that I would like to see changed bit us this spring "season". I have actually never heard of this but asked a white hat friend of mine from another state and he confirmed it. We were called for defensive pass interference on a pass play where the receiver who was interfered with caught the ball for a touchdown. Per NFHS rules, the touchdown play stands and the 15 yard penalty is enforced on the kickoff. I asked my white hat friend if the ball was just caught in the field of play, would the penalty be tacked on at the end and he confirmed it would. Totally weird to me. Seems like the defense gets penalized twice (allowing the play to stand AND getting the penalty yardage). The better rule would be to allow the offense to choose the result of the play OR the penalty like what is done at the college and pro level. The Fed provision you bring up is weird in that it seems inconsistent with their other principles of interference penalty enforcement. I could understand it if DPI were penalized like most live ball contact fouls, i.e. end of the run (which is the basic spot in that situation), and say if the run ends at the goal line it then carries over to the kickoff or try. But that's not the way DPI is enforced in the field of play. The foul by the defense during a TD scoring play is an enforcement provision for all fouls, not just interference, but it's incongruous with the way pass interference is usually penalized now. Not only that, but it encourages a defender who's already committed pass interference in or near the end zone during that down to turn it into a personal foul by really teeing off on that receiver to make sure the pass is not completed, because the penalty will be less, even if the rare double penalty (which would probably be half the distance, then another half of the remaining distance, i.e. 3/4 of the distance from the previous spot) were incurred. This is one of the reasons I think a TD should be awarded for DPI in the end zone. And no "extra", even if the pass is completed. In the 1940s (maybe the late 1930s) in the proceedings of the Fed football rules committee there were these essays by the secretary about consideration they were making of serious departures from the existing rules committee (which was by that time NCAA's). One of the things he thought to be at least possibly bogus was the spotting of the ball at the 1 yard line for interference in the end zone. He said this was adopted at a time scoring was particularly low, and touchdowns being hard to come by, NCAA's rules committee was reluctant to award touchdowns as penalties. But since scoring had increased, he thought it was time to revisit that reluctance, at least for Fed. Many of the changes that were mused on by Fed at that time were adopted within a few years, but not this one. NCAA wound up going the opposite direction and moved the spot to the 2! (The pros kept it at the 1.) Fed wound up eventually going to previous spot enforcement without exceptions -- which it had been in the college rules a long time previously, and now is again but with exceptions.
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Post by tog on Apr 12, 2021 14:06:43 GMT -6
here is one
you can only throw it 4 times a quarter
will go hide behind a wall............
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