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Post by codeblue on Feb 19, 2021 5:56:31 GMT -6
We have an older gentleman on staff who rolls his eyes about having a written practice plan and a written list of coaching duties. He says that his generation didn’t need written lists, they just did it. Am I crazy? I’m not a young coach, I have coached for 20 years at 4 different schools and have always had HC’s with written practice plans with well organized practices.
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Post by CS on Feb 19, 2021 6:29:02 GMT -6
We have an older gentleman on staff who rolls his eyes about having a written practice plan and a written list of coaching duties. He says that his generation didn’t need written lists, they just did it. Am I crazy? I’m not a young coach, I have coached for 20 years at 4 different schools and have always had HC’s with written practice plans with well organized practices. One of the most successful coaches in my state doesn’t use one. I was his DC and I used one but he said he didn’t like the time restrictions. He never scoffed at me using one though. Bottom line is if you can coach ball who cares how you do it |
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Post by Defcord on Feb 19, 2021 7:08:11 GMT -6
I think what you will find with the guys that don't have them but win, they still are very organized and structured they just don't have it written and printed.
I think the opposite can also be true. I worked for a guy that had a practice plan and script that looked meticulous but we never followed it one time in three years. We were the most disorganized team I have ever seen, but our practice plan was pretty.
I like a practice plan and think it's better to have one than not have one, but ultimately it comes down to how organized and efficient your practice actually is not just some piece of paper.
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Post by agap on Feb 19, 2021 8:01:02 GMT -6
We have a practice plan. We've had a practice plan everywhere I've coached. I agree with the others though. You can be organized and on-time without one and you can be unorganized with one. Personally I prefer having one.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 19, 2021 9:26:50 GMT -6
If you've internalized the fundamentals of how you want to practice and you've got the acumen/wherewithal to recall exactly what you want to address for each practice, you don't NEED one.
I'm too absent-minded to not have something written down, but I can see how someone can just play it by ear.
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Post by CoachC on Feb 19, 2021 9:43:22 GMT -6
We're required to have one here in Florida. We have to keep it on file for the FHSAA (if requested) to monitor live drills, thud time and "air" time at practice so we don't go over the minutes limit each week.
I've always had a a written one anyway though to I stay focused on what I need to accomplish each day.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 19, 2021 12:28:52 GMT -6
Perhaps you might pay attention to see what this older gentleman is doing...you might learn sumthin
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 19, 2021 12:33:58 GMT -6
It doesn't need to be written out as long as everyone knows the sequence and sticks to it... having all the coaches know who is going where can be done thru verbal communication, or visual with a list.
Both work, both don't... depends on the boss and the accountability to whichever system you choose.
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Post by codeblue on Feb 19, 2021 16:07:41 GMT -6
Perhaps you might pay attention to see what this older gentleman is doing...you might learn sumthin Yes sir I did pay attention. And things weren’t getting done. Because there was no organization and no communication. |
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Post by bignose on Feb 19, 2021 16:13:31 GMT -6
We have an older gentleman on staff who rolls his eyes about having a written practice plan and a written list of coaching duties. He says that his generation didn’t need written lists, they just did it. Am I crazy? I’m not a young coach, I have coached for 20 years at 4 different schools and have always had HC’s with written practice plans with well organized practices. I have been coaching for over 45 years and I always had a written practice plan, daily. It's no different then having a written lesson plan for your classroom. Woe to you if an administrator shows up, and asks you, and you don't have it ready to go. You need one to document what you are working on if for no other reason then if someone challenges you to show to them what you are doing in practice. Your basic CYA. Now do we always stay rigidly on the schedule? No, of course not. Somedays you see that you need to spend more time on something that you initially allotted for it. Gotta remain flexible in these things. |
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Post by blb on Feb 20, 2021 7:08:57 GMT -6
I always had a typed practice plan including one posted in lockerroom for kids to see.
Perhaps I was too anal, OCD, or whatever but I was very concerned about having the team totally prepared for Friday night.
So on practice plan I put down exactly what each position group-coach should be doing each period to make sure everything was covered.
I didn't script plays per se but I listed all the ones we were going to run each day by formations and period (3rd and 7, GL, for ex.) on the practice plan and used that as my "script."
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Post by coachlit on Feb 20, 2021 7:20:34 GMT -6
I think having a script and plan is important, but I also acknowledge sometimes you have to be flexible. If your run period looked like trash then maybe you want to walk through everyone’s blocking assignments for 10 minutes.
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Post by kcbazooka on Feb 20, 2021 7:33:30 GMT -6
As a head coach I usually had detailed practice plans. I learned that even if I didn't need them there were coaches on my staff that definitely needed or wanted them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 7:37:13 GMT -6
It helps. One of the many reasons you meet regularly, away from kids, is that you can organize the time, coach needs x time to work the trap. Other coaches can compensate, organize the additional time. And it’s on paper. And whether coach x, or x,y, and z can do without, most certainly there is a a coach that can’t. You cannot be on different pages in front kids.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 20, 2021 8:41:19 GMT -6
We have an older gentleman on staff who rolls his eyes about having a written practice plan and a written list of coaching duties. He says that his generation didn’t need written lists, they just did it. Am I crazy? I’m not a young coach, I have coached for 20 years at 4 different schools and have always had HC’s with written practice plans with well organized practices. One of the most successful coaches in my state doesn’t use one. I was his DC and I used one but he said he didn’t like the time restrictions. He never scoffed at me using one though. Bottom line is if you can coach ball who cares how you do it As with most things, people can overcome shortcomings or poor planning through talent and skill. Some people do not require a thought out or written budget to handle their personal finances, yet 40% of the United States workforce replied that they could not handle an unexpected $400 expense. |
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Post by s73 on Feb 20, 2021 17:39:26 GMT -6
I think what you will find with the guys that don't have them but win, they still are very organized and structured they just don't have it written and printed. I think the opposite can also be true. I worked for a guy that had a practice plan and script that looked meticulous but we never followed it one time in three years. We were the most disorganized team I have ever seen, but our practice plan was pretty. I like a practice plan and think it's better to have one than not have one, but ultimately it comes down to how organized and efficient your practice actually is not just some piece of paper. I think it's good to have if for no other reason than to have some notes and reminders to avoid missing a detail you feel needs discussing and to simply keep everybody on the same page. |
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Post by oubraves on Feb 21, 2021 20:02:54 GMT -6
My dad who was the head coach for my high school never used one. He had 2-3 assistants his entire career. They would walk in on day one and each would know what to do. For the most part the same offense each year and same defense. Won 200 games and is in the Missouri Sports Hall of Fame. It can be done but everyone must now their roles and jobs.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Feb 21, 2021 20:04:31 GMT -6
I know some don't do it and are successful. I personally keep them to combat anyone that disputes legality of something or water break times etc. Plus, If you don't have a plan how do your position coaches know how long to stay in Indy and what to coach up in groups or team. A script helps position coaches know what to look for on the upcoming play. Just don't understand any reason other than stubbornness not to … just my opinion
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Post by wingtol on Feb 22, 2021 15:41:36 GMT -6
We have a sheet the HC give us every day. It's almost always the same each day. We are a smaller school and staff has been together awhile. Everyone knows the flow of practice and what is expected each day. Works well for us. We do not script team on either side of the ball either. If there is something we really want to work on we'll make sure to hit it or only give the scout team certain cards to use at a time.
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Post by coachscdub on Feb 22, 2021 17:48:53 GMT -6
I know our varsity does a daily one, nicely organized, covers the var and JV teams
On the frosh staff at 3 schools i think the only time we've ever had one was our HC would keep it in his pocket, he would text me the night before for what i wanted to do.
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Post by newhope on Mar 16, 2021 8:50:41 GMT -6
there are a lot of things we used to do that we've changed. Not having a written practice plan is one of them. You got a three man staff like the old days, go for it. You got a dozen? You better have it written
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Post by cwaltsmith on Mar 22, 2021 8:57:17 GMT -6
Ive been told 2 things pertaining to this ...
1. Failure to have a plan, is planning to fail
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2. If its not written down it didn't happen
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Post by tog on Mar 22, 2021 9:16:43 GMT -6
Ive been told 2 things pertaining to this ... 1. Failure to have a plan, is planning to fail & 2. If its not written down it didn't happen add a 3rd if you don't follow it, what is the point of it...... |
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Post by cwaltsmith on Mar 22, 2021 9:34:48 GMT -6
Ive been told 2 things pertaining to this ... 1. Failure to have a plan, is planning to fail & 2. If its not written down it didn't happen add a 3rd if you don't follow it, what is the point of it...... Totally agree!!!!! at old school Id spend all this time making out a schedule, & then glance down and see a group doing something totally different. Drove me nuts bc coach working the group wouldnt partake in the meetings to game plan and then do what he wanted and not being the head guy I had no say on keeping him! |
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Post by aceback76 on Mar 22, 2021 10:01:35 GMT -6
We always believed in minute-by-minute choreographing of practices, breaking down individual and group tactics into parts, and defining responsibilities and setting objectives for both players and coaches.
I have always found that he best coach is the one who makes the fewest mistakes; the one who does the best teaching job; the one who is the best organizer.
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Post by fantom on Mar 22, 2021 10:03:03 GMT -6
I can't see not having a written plan, even though it probably won't vary much. I was responsible for making the schedule for defensive practice days. Most weeks I just changed the date but sometimes it did and we wanted to make sure that everybody knew it.
More important, though, is a script. I can't understand practicing, especially practicing defense, without a script.
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 22, 2021 10:12:43 GMT -6
There's also a degree of CYA to having a written practice plan.
I've produced a practice plan once or twice to demonstrate that an injury happened during a low-contact drill in accordance with CA rules about contact. It's never been required, but it buys me credibility for the future and trust from the AD.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Mar 22, 2021 13:03:36 GMT -6
There's also a degree of CYA to having a written practice plan. I've produced a practice plan once or twice to demonstrate that an injury happened during a low-contact drill in accordance with CA rules about contact. It's never been required, but it buys me credibility for the future and trust from the AD. THIS^^^^^^ With all the heat related rules now I make sure all of my schedules have scheduled water break/heat breaks and have times also . |
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 23, 2021 6:54:56 GMT -6
There's also a degree of CYA to having a written practice plan. I've produced a practice plan once or twice to demonstrate that an injury happened during a low-contact drill in accordance with CA rules about contact. It's never been required, but it buys me credibility for the future and trust from the AD. THIS^^^^^^ With all the heat related rules now I make sure all of my schedules have scheduled water break/heat breaks and have times also . is that the only time you allow water or simply it is written CYA? We don't have scheduled water breaks, but there is water always availiable. If the temp falls into a range where a stoppage of practice is needed, our trainers step in. |
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Post by cwaltsmith on Mar 23, 2021 6:59:19 GMT -6
THIS^^^^^^ With all the heat related rules now I make sure all of my schedules have scheduled water break/heat breaks and have times also . is that the only time you allow water or simply it is written CYA? We don't have scheduled water breaks, but there is water always availiable. If the temp falls into a range where a stoppage of practice is needed, our trainers step in. No we had a trainer tha had water and occassionally groups would go get water quickly as they were moving. But, we did not have water at each group 100% of the time so we scheduled them. |
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