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Aug 3, 2020 19:30:30 GMT -6
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 4, 2020 11:19:58 GMT -6
Yep, gives no direction just like our governor. Since it is dead week they got a little breathing room, but next week the Shiite is going to get real. When it comes down to brass tacks, they don't want to say anything.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 4, 2020 14:23:09 GMT -6
Yep, gives no direction just like our governor. Since it is dead week they got a little breathing room, but next week the Shiite is going to get real. When it comes down to brass tacks, they don't want to say anything. Hmm. I took it another way. I interpreted it as the Missouri association trying to do right by its members who are in areas where local government has stepped in and stopped play.
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Aug 4, 2020 16:40:14 GMT -6
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Post by **** on Aug 4, 2020 16:40:14 GMT -6
Yep, gives no direction just like our governor. Since it is dead week they got a little breathing room, but next week the Shiite is going to get real. When it comes down to brass tacks, they don't want to say anything. Hmm. I took it another way. I interpreted it as the Missouri association trying to do right by its members who are in areas where local government has stepped in and stopped play. We are the only school who is not playing due to local government. Problem our state is running into is inner KC and STL are claiming the current rules set are unfair for their minority athletes. State is back tracking on previous rules.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 4, 2020 19:25:38 GMT -6
Hmm. I took it another way. I interpreted it as the Missouri association trying to do right by its members who are in areas where local government has stepped in and stopped play. We are the only school who is not playing due to local government. Problem our state is running into is inner KC and STL are claiming the current rules set are unfair for their minority athletes. State is back tracking on previous rules. I guesss I misread the release. Is it not simply stating that the Missouri Association is looking at possibilities for fall activities for places where participation may not be allowed?
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Aug 4, 2020 19:30:28 GMT -6
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Post by **** on Aug 4, 2020 19:30:28 GMT -6
We are the only school who is not playing due to local government. Problem our state is running into is inner KC and STL are claiming the current rules set are unfair for their minority athletes. State is back tracking on previous rules. I guesss I misread the release. Is it not simply stating that the Missouri Association is looking at possibilities for fall activities for places where participation may not be allowed? It is saying that. We are the only school in the state not participating as of now. They are saying that because the inner cities played the race card and now the state is backtracking on previous set out rules and allowing for 100% virtual school with sports.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 4, 2020 19:36:17 GMT -6
I guesss I misread the release. Is it not simply stating that the Missouri Association is looking at possibilities for fall activities for places where participation may not be allowed? It is saying that. We are the only school in the state not participating as of now. They are saying that because the inner cities played the race card and now the state is backtracking on previous set out rules and allowing for 100% virtual school with sports. While I don't know if I agree with the premise that places should have athletics if they don't return to school, I would say that is the LEA's call, and not the state sports association. So I don't see a problem with the association saying "hey, if your school offers remote learning, you can choose that and still be eligible for athletics under our jurisdiction. How is this "a race card" being played?
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Aug 4, 2020 21:38:21 GMT -6
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Post by **** on Aug 4, 2020 21:38:21 GMT -6
It is saying that. We are the only school in the state not participating as of now. They are saying that because the inner cities played the race card and now the state is backtracking on previous set out rules and allowing for 100% virtual school with sports. While I don't know if I agree with the premise that places should have athletics if they don't return to school, I would say that is the LEA's call, and not the state sports association. So I don't see a problem with the association saying "hey, if your school offers remote learning, you can choose that and still be eligible for athletics under our jurisdiction. How is this "a race card" being played? If schools don’t play sports it’s unfair to minority athletes. They’re not allowing them the opportunity to obtain a college scholarship. State says if virtual then no sports. Insert race card. Health department says sports not recommended. Insert race card. This is what is happening. It’s not complicated
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Aug 4, 2020 22:14:00 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 4, 2020 22:14:00 GMT -6
While I don't know if I agree with the premise that places should have athletics if they don't return to school, I would say that is the LEA's call, and not the state sports association. So I don't see a problem with the association saying "hey, if your school offers remote learning, you can choose that and still be eligible for athletics under our jurisdiction. How is this "a race card" being played? If schools don’t play sports it’s unfair to minority athletes. They’re not allowing them the opportunity to obtain a college scholarship. State says if virtual then no sports. Insert race card. Health department says sports not recommended. Insert race card. This is what is happening. It’s not complicated I dont follow the logic in your assertion. A state association changing to allow any student who is attending virtual school to be eligible seems like a common sense move if that is what the LEA is offering.
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Aug 5, 2020 5:55:13 GMT -6
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Post by **** on Aug 5, 2020 5:55:13 GMT -6
If schools don’t play sports it’s unfair to minority athletes. They’re not allowing them the opportunity to obtain a college scholarship. State says if virtual then no sports. Insert race card. Health department says sports not recommended. Insert race card. This is what is happening. It’s not complicated I dont follow the logic in your assertion. A state association changing to allow any student who is attending virtual school to be eligible seems like a common sense move if that is what the LEA is offering. We can do a simple example of what is happening here... My question to you is “Do you think kids should play sports this fall? Yes or no.” Bless your heart if you don’t foresee my response to you saying no.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 5, 2020 12:58:53 GMT -6
I dont follow the logic in your assertion. A state association changing to allow any student who is attending virtual school to be eligible seems like a common sense move if that is what the LEA is offering. We can do a simple example of what is happening here... My question to you is “Do you think kids should play sports this fall? Yes or no.” Bless your heart if you don’t foresee my response to you saying no. I would say I don't see either answer has anything to do with a race card? I agree that for ANY case, the "scholarship opportunity" is one of the most foolhardy and idiotic supportive reasons that can be given. What is MO 's normal policy on distance learning students? Not homeschooled, as that is different. But students enrolled in a traditional brick and mortar high school but receiving instruction through virtual means? Do they even have such a policy?
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Aug 5, 2020 14:40:38 GMT -6
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Post by **** on Aug 5, 2020 14:40:38 GMT -6
We can do a simple example of what is happening here... My question to you is “Do you think kids should play sports this fall? Yes or no.” Bless your heart if you don’t foresee my response to you saying no. I would say I don't see either answer has anything to do with a race card? I agree that for ANY case, the "scholarship opportunity" is one of the most foolhardy and idiotic supportive reasons that can be given. What is MO 's normal policy on distance learning students? Not homeschooled, as that is different. But students enrolled in a traditional brick and mortar high school but receiving instruction through virtual means? Do they even have such a policy? Don’t answer the question, deflect everything and ask questions back. Good response. You’d be a good lawyer. Smart not to answer. You know what you will be labeled and there’s no coming back from that accusation.
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Post by fantom on Aug 5, 2020 15:23:33 GMT -6
I dont follow the logic in your assertion. A state association changing to allow any student who is attending virtual school to be eligible seems like a common sense move if that is what the LEA is offering. We can do a simple example of what is happening here... My question to you is “Do you think kids should play sports this fall? Yes or no.” Bless your heart if you don’t foresee my response to you saying no. I'll bite: No.
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Aug 5, 2020 16:26:40 GMT -6
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Post by **** on Aug 5, 2020 16:26:40 GMT -6
We can do a simple example of what is happening here... My question to you is “Do you think kids should play sports this fall? Yes or no.” Bless your heart if you don’t foresee my response to you saying no. I'll bite: No. You are a racist for not allowing minority athletes the opportunity to obtain a collegiate scholarship. Welcome to what our state association is dealing with. There is no coming back from that trump card. State now has hands tied and has to make it work somehow. Thus the state and health departments are back tracking on every previous rule or mandate put out on school/sports and Covid. If you don’t support sports, you’re a racist. That’s where MO is at.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 16:57:27 GMT -6
You are a racist for not allowing minority athletes the opportunity to obtain a collegiate scholarship. Welcome to what our state association is dealing with. There is no coming back from that trump card. State now has hands tied and has to make it work somehow. Thus the state and health departments are back tracking on every previous rule or mandate put out on school/sports and Covid. If you don’t support sports, you’re a racist. That’s where MO is at. What keeps your district from saying no? GHSAA will be to go .... bleep themselves in certain parts of the state. And if the state tries to punish, they’ll get sued. There is no win for districts and teachers, athletic associations. They are wrong either way. its a matter of time before some kid dies from most anything, and they drag the coach, coaches off in handcuffs for suspicion of.
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Aug 5, 2020 17:29:15 GMT -6
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 5, 2020 17:29:15 GMT -6
I knew the state would do this. No I don't think it is fair to let kids stay home and do virtual work but yet do sports. If your too scared to come to school where we try to follow some order how in the heck are you saying it is ok to play football where you got bodies laying all over each other. MO really doesn't have a rule on taking online courses while in school. It's all about GPA and passing courses.
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Aug 5, 2020 17:33:31 GMT -6
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Post by **** on Aug 5, 2020 17:33:31 GMT -6
I knew the state would do this. No I don't think it is fair to let kids stay home and do virtual work but yet do sports. If your too scared to come to school where we try to follow some order how in the heck are you saying it is ok to play football where you got bodies laying all over each other. MO really doesn't have a rule on taking online courses while in school. It's all about GPA and passing courses. I agree. But the city schools have the association by the balls. It’s why they have back tracked on everything
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Aug 5, 2020 17:36:36 GMT -6
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 5, 2020 17:36:36 GMT -6
I know. There is so much crap MSHSAA does or lets go that they have turned into a laughing stock. Has your school changed its mind?
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 5, 2020 18:13:46 GMT -6
You are a racist for not allowing minority athletes the opportunity to obtain a collegiate scholarship. Welcome to what our state association is dealing with. There is no coming back from that trump card. State now has hands tied and has to make it work somehow. Thus the state and health departments are back tracking on every previous rule or mandate put out on school/sports and Covid. If you don’t support sports, you’re a racist. That’s where MO is at. Has to make "what" work exactly. From Freezeoptions post, it just sounds like the association is allowing schools who are offering distance learning to compete. I don't see why you have an issue with that.
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Aug 5, 2020 18:20:41 GMT -6
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Post by **** on Aug 5, 2020 18:20:41 GMT -6
I know. There is so much crap MSHSAA does or lets go that they have turned into a laughing stock. Has your school changed its mind? No. I was on a call with county health department a few hours ago. Legally I don’t see how we can flip back at this point. It’s over for us imo.
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Post by **** on Aug 5, 2020 18:21:42 GMT -6
You are a racist for not allowing minority athletes the opportunity to obtain a collegiate scholarship. Welcome to what our state association is dealing with. There is no coming back from that trump card. State now has hands tied and has to make it work somehow. Thus the state and health departments are back tracking on every previous rule or mandate put out on school/sports and Covid. If you don’t support sports, you’re a racist. That’s where MO is at. Has to make "what" work exactly. From Freezeoptions post, it just sounds like the association is allowing schools who are offering distance learning to compete. I don't see why you have an issue with that. Ya I’m done. Idc anymore.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 5, 2020 18:40:25 GMT -6
Has to make "what" work exactly. From Freezeoptions post, it just sounds like the association is allowing schools who are offering distance learning to compete. I don't see why you have an issue with that. Ya I’m done. Idc anymore. Well, considering your absolute failure to read the room regarding the virus and the community in your own back yard, surely you have to realize that your generalizations and opinions here would be questioned. Saying that schools in metropolitan areas were playing "the race card"... when all they wanted was the association to allow students who were using remote learning at their school (which is not homeschoolingP) ... come on .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 19:13:04 GMT -6
You are a racist for not allowing minority athletes the opportunity to obtain a collegiate scholarship. Welcome to what our state association is dealing with. There is no coming back from that trump card. State now has hands tied and has to make it work somehow. Thus the state and health departments are back tracking on every previous rule or mandate put out on school/sports and Covid. If you don’t support sports, you’re a racist. That’s where MO is at. Has to make "what" work exactly. From Freezeoptions post, it just sounds like the association is allowing schools who are offering distance learning to compete. I don't see why you have an issue with that. If athletics are essential, and I say that lightly, then why distant learning, not home school either.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 5, 2020 19:24:56 GMT -6
Has to make "what" work exactly. From Freezeoptions post, it just sounds like the association is allowing schools who are offering distance learning to compete. I don't see why you have an issue with that. If athletics are essential, and I say that lightly, then why distant learning, not home school either. Sorry, if you want an answer, I am going to need you to actually proofread whatever it was you typed, and then ask your question in an coherent manner.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 19:34:27 GMT -6
If athletics are essential, and I say that lightly, then why distant learning, not home school either. Sorry, if you want an answer, I am going to need you to actually proofread whatever it was you typed, and then ask your question in an coherent manner. Not really a question. If we can have athletics, kids can be in a classroom. If distant learning is necessary, then athletic is unnecessary. Again, not a question.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 5, 2020 19:43:08 GMT -6
Sorry, if you want an answer, I am going to need you to actually proofread whatever it was you typed, and then ask your question in an coherent manner. Not really a question. If we can have athletics, kids can be in a classroom. If distant learning is necessary, then athletic is unnecessary. Again, not a question. Keep in mind your school situation may be different than others. Your environment may be different than others. Also keep in mind that in some locals, utilizing distance learning is a public health strategy, not just one to keep individual students from contracting the virus/getting sick. Guidelines and logistics may not be realistic for some schools to conduct face to face learning, but athletic participation may be deemed achievable . I am just saying that it is becoming painfully obvious that a great deal of disagreement and division in the country on many issues is that people can't seem to fathom that other places may be different.
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Aug 5, 2020 19:45:28 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 19:51:14 GMT -6
Not really a question. If we can have athletics, kids can be in a classroom. If distant learning is necessary, then athletic is unnecessary. Again, not a question. Keep in mind your school situation may be different than others. Your environment may be different than others. Also keep in mind that in some locals, utilizing distance learning is a public health strategy, not just one to keep individual students from contracting the virus/getting sick. Guidelines and logistics may not be realistic for some schools to conduct face to face learning, but athletic participation may be deemed achievable . I am just saying that it is becoming painfully obvious that a great deal of disagreement and division in the country on many issues is that people can't seem to fathom that other places may be different. Oh, its a joke here. NOBODY can tell me you can come to school for athletics and cry racism if it ain’t allowed to happen, then cry racism when you have to come to school for academics.I have literally heard that conversation twice. Either it is a real pandemic or its not.
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Aug 5, 2020 21:17:55 GMT -6
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Post by 44dlcoach on Aug 5, 2020 21:17:55 GMT -6
I have a hard time understanding a scenario where in person school is too big a risk but tackle football isn't.
That said, to the question of whether or not kids should play football this fall my response is "it depends". Everywhere in the country isn't the same scenario so the answers probably shouldn't be one-size-fits-all.
Our state has expressed some willingness to have one portion of the state play in the fall while a harder hit portion of the state postpones until the spring. That hasn't been formally decided yet but it's on the table for us.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 5, 2020 22:06:00 GMT -6
I have a hard time understanding a scenario where in person school is too big a risk but tackle football isn't. That said, to the question of whether or not kids should play football this fall my response is "it depends". Everywhere in the country isn't the same scenario so the answers probably shouldn't be one-size-fits-all. Our state has expressed some willingness to have one portion of the state play in the fall while a harder hit portion of the state postpones until the spring. That hasn't been formally decided yet but it's on the table for us. 2000 plus people vs 50 people? I don't disagree with you--my opinion would be that the in person schooling would come first. But as I mentioned and has been evident in discussion on this site, places are different.
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