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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 9, 2020 15:12:44 GMT -6
...because of Covid-19, or some other reason(s). What then?
Do kids stop playing it?
If not, what percentage of those who would've played under adult or faculty supervision, on the teams you're familiar with, play self-organized?
Do adults chase away kids they see playing it? Call the cops? Are there publicity campaigns telling kids football is too dangerous?
Let's say things stay like that for 2, 3, 5 years, and then whatever condition caused adult-supervised football to be suspended is lifted. The disease is gone, the war or strike is settled, or whatever other reason adults had for shutting it down is refuted or fixed. What then?
Is it like it was before, immediately? Does it take 2, 3, 5 years to get back to how it was?
What if the kids who organized their own games and leagues like it better that way, and boycott adult-organized play? What about if there'd been publicity campaigns in the intervening time to convince people football was too dangerous? Do those posters in the hallways come down one day?
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Post by freezeoption on Jul 9, 2020 15:39:26 GMT -6
This will have to wait and be seen. The game of football was almost outlawed by Teddy Roosevelt. It made changes to keep going. It will have to make changes again if the majority of society wants it to keep going. There is no reason to worry about it now. Do what you can do and see what happens. We are supposed to have camp next week. I can't believe it, but I think it will happen. Now a lot can change between now and then.
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Post by carookie on Jul 9, 2020 15:42:44 GMT -6
I have talked to some people about privately training kids and keeping them ready for when things kick up again. I'm just talking off the cuff, but I gotta imagine we hit something that allows for us to comeback by Autumn 2021.
I could see if state organizations say 'no' that some entrepreneurial types start up some sort of loosely organized renegade type exhibition games outside the auspices of schools and orgs. Which could be nice for those seniors who miss out on one last year, but may open up a Pandora's box of sort.
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Post by Defcord on Jul 9, 2020 15:59:02 GMT -6
Travel baseball is going strong in many areas. For better or worse this may be the opening for travel football. I really hope not but if budget cuts are vital some schools will use football as a way to trim spending.
Kids want to play and if schools not an option but travel is many will take that route.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 16:06:13 GMT -6
...because of Covid-19, or some other reason(s). What then? Do kids stop playing it? If not, what percentage of those who would've played under adult or faculty supervision, on the teams you're familiar with, play self-organized? Do adults chase away kids they see playing it? Call the cops? Are there publicity campaigns telling kids football is too dangerous? Let's say things stay like that for 2, 3, 5 years, and then whatever condition caused adult-supervised football to be suspended is lifted. The disease is gone, the war or strike is settled, or whatever other reason adults had for shutting it down is refuted or fixed. What then? Is it like it was before, immediately? Does it take 2, 3, 5 years to get back to how it was? What if the kids who organized their own games and leagues like it better that way, and boycott adult-organized play? What about if there'd been publicity campaigns in the intervening time to convince people football was too dangerous? Do those posters in the hallways come down one day? 2 years of no athletics? No chance in hell they return ever, as they were. Baseball and hockey were in trouble anyways. They wont recover being gone 2 years. And I think the NBA and NFL are in for a shock when they do comeback. And I dont believe most fans want changes, changes that fundamentally alter the game of football. People are going to find other ways to amuse themselves, spend there money if sports isnt there. |
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Post by realdawg on Jul 9, 2020 16:15:38 GMT -6
As long as there is a demand to watch football there will be a demand to play football. Idk who will run it or be in charge or whether it will be schools or travel or what. Idk. But the NFL is big money. I don’t see the demand for watching NFL games going away. Matter of fact I say if we miss it for a season the demand to watch it will be more. And as long as there is NFL they will need programs to develop players until they are ready to be drafted.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 9, 2020 16:17:05 GMT -6
Kids are slowly stopping playing football anyway.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 9, 2020 16:24:55 GMT -6
Travel baseball is going strong in many areas. For better or worse this may be the opening for travel football. I really hope not but if budget cuts are vital some schools will use football as a way to trim spending. Kids want to play and if schools not an option but travel is many will take that route. But what if that's an "illegal public gathering"? I was thinking more in terms of football without the involvement of adults. Like the kids realize they're at practically no risk from Covid-19, but adults either stay away or are made to disperse by the authorities. Does football then go back to a self-organized activity? Kept off campus but meeting for games or practice at locations known only to the players? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:02:47 GMT -6
Travel baseball is going strong in many areas. For better or worse this may be the opening for travel football. I really hope not but if budget cuts are vital some schools will use football as a way to trim spending. Kids want to play and if schools not an option but travel is many will take that route. But what if that's an "illegal public gathering"? I was thinking more in terms of football without the involvement of adults. Like the kids realize they're at practically no risk from Covid-19, but adults either stay away or are made to disperse by the authorities. Does football then go back to a self-organized activity? Kept off campus but meeting for games or practice at locations known only to the players? “Illegal public gathering.” That is a phrase for alarm. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 9, 2020 19:18:54 GMT -6
...because of Covid-19, or some other reason(s). What then? Do kids stop playing it? If not, what percentage of those who would've played under adult or faculty supervision, on the teams you're familiar with, play self-organized? Do adults chase away kids they see playing it? Call the cops? Are there publicity campaigns telling kids football is too dangerous? Let's say things stay like that for 2, 3, 5 years, and then whatever condition caused adult-supervised football to be suspended is lifted. The disease is gone, the war or strike is settled, or whatever other reason adults had for shutting it down is refuted or fixed. What then? Is it like it was before, immediately? Does it take 2, 3, 5 years to get back to how it was? What if the kids who organized their own games and leagues like it better that way, and boycott adult-organized play? What about if there'd been publicity campaigns in the intervening time to convince people football was too dangerous? Do those posters in the hallways come down one day? Umm.. Bob. the kids you will see playing ball will not be playing 11 on 11 with offensive and defensive lines breathing on each other while blocking and tackling play after play after play after play, or gang tackling in piles of 4 or 5 play after play after play. It will look like a Brett Favre jeans commercial. BUT you do bring up a great point. If there are no organized sports, will this then keep kids from congrating in numbers, will it force kids to socially distance etc. I believe based on what I saw in the spring the answer will be no. |
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Post by planck on Jul 9, 2020 20:16:19 GMT -6
So, my district canceled MS football for 2 seasons as a budget cut. The numbers went from 30-40 per class to like...12-18. The last two classes, rising juniors and sophomores, have "normal" numbers.
They were asked to play on both freshmen and sophomore, then both sophomore and varsity games (splitting time). If we hadn't done that, we couldn't field teams.
I'm saying I think a lot of people could find themselves in that boat, and it was really unpleasant.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 10, 2020 7:33:20 GMT -6
Coaching at a small school dealing with numbers issues and playing other schools that also are dealing with number issues I can say this has been a concern of mine from the start. Once it goes away it's gonna be real hard to get back in some places
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 10, 2020 9:34:35 GMT -6
...because of Covid-19, or some other reason(s). What then? Do kids stop playing it? If not, what percentage of those who would've played under adult or faculty supervision, on the teams you're familiar with, play self-organized? Do adults chase away kids they see playing it? Call the cops? Are there publicity campaigns telling kids football is too dangerous? Let's say things stay like that for 2, 3, 5 years, and then whatever condition caused adult-supervised football to be suspended is lifted. The disease is gone, the war or strike is settled, or whatever other reason adults had for shutting it down is refuted or fixed. What then? Is it like it was before, immediately? Does it take 2, 3, 5 years to get back to how it was? What if the kids who organized their own games and leagues like it better that way, and boycott adult-organized play? What about if there'd been publicity campaigns in the intervening time to convince people football was too dangerous? Do those posters in the hallways come down one day? Umm.. Bob. the kids you will see playing ball will not be playing 11 on 11 with offensive and defensive lines breathing on each other while blocking and tackling play after play after play after play, or gang tackling in piles of 4 or 5 play after play after play. It will look like a Brett Favre jeans commercial. My experience is that when they play without officials and without pads, the gang tackling goes on until everyone on the field is in the pile. That's what I'm thinking. The only thing adults will have is plausible deniability. |
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Post by jlenwood on Jul 11, 2020 6:44:43 GMT -6
Maybe this entire COVID issue was not a grand scheme by China, but by the world soccer federation to finally take over America from football! How could we not see this happening...
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Post by vanden48 on Jul 12, 2020 8:13:19 GMT -6
2 years of no athletics? No chance in hell they return ever, as they were. Baseball and hockey were in trouble anyways. They wont recover being gone 2 years. And I think the NBA and NFL are in for a shock when they do comeback. And I dont believe most fans want changes, changes that fundamentally alter the game of football. People are going to find other ways to amuse themselves, spend there money if sports isnt there. I think with the NBA and the NFL becoming very political, people are going to tune out anyways. Nobody likes listening to people who make millions of dollars give their opinions on oppression. Will be interesting to see how many Social Justice Warriors are NBA and NFL fans. My guess is not that many. With the Covid-19, which has also become extremely political, you are going to see schools and out of touch administrators try and show how schools don't need sports to be successful. And this plan is going to fail. |
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Post by aceback76 on Jul 12, 2020 9:10:10 GMT -6
...because of Covid-19, or some other reason(s). What then? Do kids stop playing it? If not, what percentage of those who would've played under adult or faculty supervision, on the teams you're familiar with, play self-organized? Do adults chase away kids they see playing it? Call the cops? Are there publicity campaigns telling kids football is too dangerous? Let's say things stay like that for 2, 3, 5 years, and then whatever condition caused adult-supervised football to be suspended is lifted. The disease is gone, the war or strike is settled, or whatever other reason adults had for shutting it down is refuted or fixed. What then? Is it like it was before, immediately? Does it take 2, 3, 5 years to get back to how it was? What if the kids who organized their own games and leagues like it better that way, and boycott adult-organized play? What about if there'd been publicity campaigns in the intervening time to convince people football was too dangerous? Do those posters in the hallways come down one day? The following is being "CONSIDERED" in Va. (nothing "final" yet): Jan-Feb B-ball. March-April Football. May-June Baseball. |
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Post by nfcbeast on Jul 13, 2020 9:13:28 GMT -6
2 years of no athletics? No chance in hell they return ever, as they were. Baseball and hockey were in trouble anyways. They wont recover being gone 2 years. And I think the NBA and NFL are in for a shock when they do comeback. And I dont believe most fans want changes, changes that fundamentally alter the game of football. People are going to find other ways to amuse themselves, spend there money if sports isnt there. I think with the NBA and the NFL becoming very political, people are going to tune out anyways. Nobody likes listening to people who make millions of dollars give their opinions on oppression. Will be interesting to see how many Social Justice Warriors are NBA and NFL fans. My guess is not that many. With the Covid-19, which has also become extremely political, you are going to see schools and out of touch administrators try and show how schools don't need sports to be successful. And this plan is going to fail. 100% what you just said. Good luck to the NBA and NFL. They are gonna need it. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 13, 2020 10:12:17 GMT -6
I think with the NBA and the NFL becoming very political, people are going to tune out anyways. Nobody likes listening to people who make millions of dollars give their opinions on oppression. Will be interesting to see how many Social Justice Warriors are NBA and NFL fans. My guess is not that many. With the Covid-19, which has also become extremely political, you are going to see schools and out of touch administrators try and show how schools don't need sports to be successful. And this plan is going to fail. 100% what you just said. Good luck to the NBA and NFL. They are gonna need it. Since we are all just posting conjecture here, I think the NBA and NFL will be just fine without the patronage of people who don't believe the athletes should have options. We will see. |
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Post by gian3074 on Jul 13, 2020 10:59:10 GMT -6
100% what you just said. Good luck to the NBA and NFL. They are gonna need it. Since we are all just posting conjecture here, I think the NBA and NFL will be just fine without the patronage of people who don't believe the athletes should have options. We will see. The NFL and NBA will do fine and make just as much money if not more |
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Post by irishdog on Jul 13, 2020 13:48:54 GMT -6
With every passing day I see state high school associations making changes to summer requirements for fall sports (football in particular). Most of the changes curtail activity in one way or another, and the changes DO NOT mesh well with how the game of football is played. As a football coach I can only speak for football, but if the trends continue as they are I truly believe we will see many states opting to either move football to the spring, or cancel the season altogether. Football is a great game. Actually it is the greatest team sport ever invented, and because of that the game will survive. As an older coach (68) I may never get the opportunity to be on a field to coach this game again, but most of you younger guys will. Taking the year off may be a blessing in disguise for the boys who play, the coaches, the parents, the schools, and the fans. HAVE FAITH, and when it's time to return to playing the game in the manner it was meant to be played maybe we will have learned a valuable lesson for the future that NOTHING should ever be taken for granted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 13:36:28 GMT -6
Maybe this entire COVID issue was not a grand scheme by China, but by the world soccer federation to finally take over America from football! How could we not see this happening... When the world started locking down, Nintendo Switches sold out. Open your eyes, sheeple!!!!!  |
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Post by fantom on Jul 14, 2020 14:01:50 GMT -6
Maybe this entire COVID issue was not a grand scheme by China, but by the world soccer federation to finally take over America from football! How could we not see this happening... When the world started locking down, Nintendo Switches sold out. Open your eyes, sheeple!!!!! It's sign of the times that I can't tell if you're joking. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 14:53:50 GMT -6
When the world started locking down, Nintendo Switches sold out. Open your eyes, sheeple!!!!! It's sign of the times that I can't tell if you're joking. Haha. Definitely joking. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 16, 2020 9:44:12 GMT -6
I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking how hilarious this situation is. A year ago parents, educators, etc. would be lamenting how children cooped themselves up for hours alone with electronics, and wondering how we could get them out in the sun, fresh air, exercising, and socializing face to face. And now I'm asking whether when the school year resumes the authorities would chase any students they find off their athletic fields, break up groups, and get them to go home and coop themselves up alone with electronics.
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Post by blb on Jul 16, 2020 10:44:24 GMT -6
I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking how hilarious this situation is. A year ago parents, educators, etc. would be lamenting how children cooped themselves up for hours alone with electronics, and wondering how we could get them out in the sun, fresh air, exercising, and socializing face to face. And now I'm asking whether when the school year resumes the authorities would chase any students they find off their athletic fields, break up groups, and get them to go home and coop themselves up alone with electronics. "hilarious" is not the word I would use to describe the situation we find ourselves in now - and for the foreseeable future. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 16, 2020 13:03:50 GMT -6
I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking how hilarious this situation is. A year ago parents, educators, etc. would be lamenting how children cooped themselves up for hours alone with electronics, and wondering how we could get them out in the sun, fresh air, exercising, and socializing face to face. And now I'm asking whether when the school year resumes the authorities would chase any students they find off their athletic fields, break up groups, and get them to go home and coop themselves up alone with electronics. "hilarious" is not the word I would use to describe the situation we find ourselves in now - and for the foreseeable future. As I told a friend a few years ago, I'm at a stage of life where I find most things interesting, and of the things I find interesting, I find most to be funny. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 16, 2020 13:07:25 GMT -6
I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking how hilarious this situation is. A year ago parents, educators, etc. would be lamenting how children cooped themselves up for hours alone with electronics, and wondering how we could get them out in the sun, fresh air, exercising, and socializing face to face. And now I'm asking whether when the school year resumes the authorities would chase any students they find off their athletic fields, break up groups, and get them to go home and coop themselves up alone with electronics. "hilarious" is not the word I would use to describe the situation we find ourselves in now - and for the foreseeable future. I can see absurdly hilarious. |
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Post by s73 on Jul 16, 2020 14:56:17 GMT -6
...because of Covid-19, or some other reason(s). What then? Do kids stop playing it? If not, what percentage of those who would've played under adult or faculty supervision, on the teams you're familiar with, play self-organized? Do adults chase away kids they see playing it? Call the cops? Are there publicity campaigns telling kids football is too dangerous? Let's say things stay like that for 2, 3, 5 years, and then whatever condition caused adult-supervised football to be suspended is lifted. The disease is gone, the war or strike is settled, or whatever other reason adults had for shutting it down is refuted or fixed. What then? Is it like it was before, immediately? Does it take 2, 3, 5 years to get back to how it was? What if the kids who organized their own games and leagues like it better that way, and boycott adult-organized play? What about if there'd been publicity campaigns in the intervening time to convince people football was too dangerous? Do those posters in the hallways come down one day? Maybe I'm getting the short end of the stick, but the kids I work with can't organize a sock drawer let a lone a tackle football league. Not to mention, and the reason there is no travel football leagues, is the cost just to start up a program minimum is about $70G's. That's player equipment game, player equipment practice, balls, sleds, bags, pads, repair kits, mouth guards, reconditioning, etc. Not to mention field rental and / or maintenance, erecting goal posts, paint for lining, paying officials, transportation. Not happening. ESPECIALLY player driven and almost just as unlikely adult driven. Besides, who's going to insure kids w/ no adult supervision? What parents are going to permit their kids to play with only kids teaching each other fundamentals and if they get hurt it's on their own dime b/c their own insurance ain't covering that either. Who's gonna develop an off season program for them to help reduce injury? It's not happening. JMO. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 16, 2020 19:29:23 GMT -6
...because of Covid-19, or some other reason(s). What then? Do kids stop playing it? If not, what percentage of those who would've played under adult or faculty supervision, on the teams you're familiar with, play self-organized? Do adults chase away kids they see playing it? Call the cops? Are there publicity campaigns telling kids football is too dangerous? Let's say things stay like that for 2, 3, 5 years, and then whatever condition caused adult-supervised football to be suspended is lifted. The disease is gone, the war or strike is settled, or whatever other reason adults had for shutting it down is refuted or fixed. What then? Is it like it was before, immediately? Does it take 2, 3, 5 years to get back to how it was? What if the kids who organized their own games and leagues like it better that way, and boycott adult-organized play? What about if there'd been publicity campaigns in the intervening time to convince people football was too dangerous? Do those posters in the hallways come down one day? Maybe I'm getting the short end of the stick, but the kids I work with can't organize a sock drawer let a lone a tackle football league. Not to mention, and the reason there is no travel football leagues, is the cost just to start up a program minimum is about $70G's. That's player equipment game, player equipment practice, balls, sleds, bags, pads, repair kits, mouth guards, reconditioning, etc. Not to mention field rental and / or maintenance, erecting goal posts, paint for lining, paying officials, transportation. Who said anything about wearing pads, having adult (or any) officials, or traveling to games? |
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Post by s73 on Jul 16, 2020 20:42:25 GMT -6
Maybe I'm getting the short end of the stick, but the kids I work with can't organize a sock drawer let a lone a tackle football league. Not to mention, and the reason there is no travel football leagues, is the cost just to start up a program minimum is about $70G's. That's player equipment game, player equipment practice, balls, sleds, bags, pads, repair kits, mouth guards, reconditioning, etc. Not to mention field rental and / or maintenance, erecting goal posts, paint for lining, paying officials, transportation. Who said anything about wearing pads, having adult (or any) officials, or traveling to games? Maybe I misunderstood then. Are you saying that kids organize their own football leagues with no pads, no officials and no traveling to games? So, in other words, your saying "what if the kids play pick up football?" My God the horror. Sorry to be facetious, but me and my friends played pick up ball as often as we could. What's the problem? Why would that be a problem? Are you suggesting that if kids REALIZE they can actually organize games for themselves that it's a threat to organized sports? That's all kids used to do. Yet organized sports flourished to unprecedented and some might even say unhealthy levels. I think it would be AWESOME if kids got back to independence in this area of their lives and see them learning to be self starters as no threat to what we do. It's healthy for kids to host their own games with their friends and it was done that way for CENTURIES. I say more power to them. No daddy ball, no overbearing coach trying to show everybody how smart he is, no ridiculous parents embarrassing themselves and their kids w/ their absurd comments as if Johnny's NFL career hangs in the balance. No dad reliving the old days thru his boy. Sounds beautiful to me. JMO. |
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