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Post by pvogel on Jul 6, 2020 11:09:33 GMT -6
I'm in NJ. We have a good friend that had what we all thought was pneumonia on NYE. She looked like death. I got the flu in December. Standard, 24 hr, squirts, the whole bit. Then in February I got another bout of what I thought was the flu... but it lasted a week. It sucked. I have never in my life taken sick days back to back. Until this February. I took 2 and "sucked it up" to go to school after that. I was a mess. Didn't work out, went straight to school and straight home (I never do that). I found videos for my classes to watch while I shivered at my desk. ... Except AP Econ. I had to teach the class. The show must go on. So I did. Valiantly tried my hardest. I could barely speak and was short of breath while teaching. During the lesson as I am writing on the board, my nose just starts dumping blood. I wiped it with my shirt just thinking it was a runny nose. Nope. I am spilling blood. I plug it, clean the best I can and continue the lesson. It was a mess. But never occurred to me that I had the coronavirus. We all thought it hadn't hit the US yet. What an ordeal. Point is, this stuff definitely hit quicker than we had originally thought. We have about 40 kids (out of 400) at our school that are from China... a lot of them went home for Christmas Break and came back. We had a serious amount of students and teachers that all got sick with that same week long sickness in January and February (people had gone to CA, OR, the Middle East). So ya. We definitely had it at our school and I was a machine in spreading it. I feel bad but we only get 2 personal days and 6 sick days. So I don't want to use it for a "little sickness", especially with my wife being pregnant. Needed to use some sick time for Dr's appointments. Also I was in 3 weddings this year. I don't have any family or friends in NJ. So the 3 weddings... 2 personal days... you do the math. I "got sick" for one of those. Forgive me for not wanting to miss important times in the lives of my friends and family. It's a mess. But I am optimistic for the future. But I hope that we can possibly get ahead of the curve and figure out a way to just do football in Spring (without interfering with other sports). I know it would mean a shortened season. But I just want to play and it would be extra time to get kids into athletic shape. I had a similar experience. Question though, why do you think things will be better in the spring? I dunno. Maybe a combination of denial and optimism. But I also buy in a little bit to the mutation ideas. Like that it makes sense for an organism to not kill its host and to be more contagious. And there is evidence that this is what is happening right now. And with so many people getting it we could develop a bit of a herd immunity type effect that curbs its spread. I know a guy that is a brain surgeon from Vanderbilt so he really has been my most trusted science source for most of this. So I think it will get better. And I would like to plan for it to get better. But there is also a possibility of a second wave and another mutation. And the end of the day - WE DON'T FREAKING KNOW. We have no idea. Any of us. Like let's remember some of the "solutions" that people had to the plague and how appalling and wrong they seem today. But it made sense to people and they believed it would work. We're not that different as a species and we since the middle ages... we just have the knowledge of an extra 600+ years of history that they didn't have. We can make hypotheses and we can (and should) plan for scenarios. But we have no idea what will truly play out. There is literature and "news" that can support any belief that you have if you are looking to find it (in any "political" issue in America... its disgusting... we come up with our solution and seek evidence to support our conclusion instead of vice-versa. I hate everyone) so it makes it even more confusing and unclear. So ya. I don't know.  |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jul 6, 2020 11:30:00 GMT -6
Here's a question - let's say the schools decide that playing football (or any other sport) is okay and things get underway. What happens when a couple kids test positive? And the reality is, with the numbers being what they are, some kids WILL test positive. Are they going to shut down the season for the team with positive results? For the whole league? I just don't think that it's realistic that schools will allow sports to happen at all this year. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 11:49:20 GMT -6
Here's a question - let's say the schools decide that playing football (or any other sport) is okay and things get underway. What happens when a couple kids test positive? And the reality is, with the numbers being what they are, some kids WILL test positive. Are they going to shut down the season for the team with positive results? For the whole league? I just don't think that it's realistic that schools will allow sports to happen at all this year. I hope I'm wrong. That is the problem. What if is undoable. If a kid dies, for any reason, its going to be COVID 19 whether it really is or not. That coach, that school, that administration, county, city, town, state will be tarred and feathered politically and prosecuted in ways we haven’t yet thought of. If they play, they have to do it come or hell or high water, or they will get. Their faces ripped off. This goes to schools, sports or whatever, not just HS football. |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jul 6, 2020 12:25:04 GMT -6
Here's a question - let's say the schools decide that playing football (or any other sport) is okay and things get underway. What happens when a couple kids test positive? And the reality is, with the numbers being what they are, some kids WILL test positive. Are they going to shut down the season for the team with positive results? For the whole league? I just don't think that it's realistic that schools will allow sports to happen at all this year. I hope I'm wrong. That is the problem. What if is undoable. If a kid dies, for any reason, its going to be COVID 19 whether it really is or not. That coach, that school, that administration, county, city, town, state will be tarred and feathered politically and prosecuted in ways we haven’t yet thought of. If they play, they have to do it come or hell or high water, or they will get. Their faces ripped off. This goes to schools, sports or whatever, not just HS football. I agree. My son's girlfriend is starting workouts for juco water polo this fall. At a school where it will be online classes only. I'm thinking, "There's no way in the world that girls water polo at the juco level happens this fall." I will actually be surprised if any college level sports happen this year. The holidays without bowl games are going to suck. Even with waivers up the gazoo, admins are not going to want to put their neck on the line when people look for deep pockets as soon as anything bad happens to them.
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Post by agap on Jul 6, 2020 20:17:09 GMT -6
I don’t have an exact number but I’m pretty sure we’ve hit double digits on number of teams who either have shut down due to having to quarantine or they are currently quarantining. Based on an article I found from a couple days ago, about 7% of the baseball teams have had a case and none of them can be traced to a practice or game. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 7, 2020 7:02:42 GMT -6
I had a similar experience. Question though, why do you think things will be better in the spring? I dunno. Maybe a combination of denial and optimism. But I also buy in a little bit to the mutation ideas. Like that it makes sense for an organism to not kill its host and to be more contagious. And there is evidence that this is what is happening right now. And with so many people getting it we could develop a bit of a herd immunity type effect that curbs its spread. But all of those possible phenomena would depend on people's catching it for them to work. |
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Post by planck on Jul 7, 2020 7:27:14 GMT -6
Well, we finally started summer workouts yesterday. Went pretty smoothly, had small groups, rotated through, etc. Already getting subtle parent pressure that we have to play "or the terrorists win" (or whatever). God I hope cooler heads prevail and we manage this smartly.
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Post by pvogel on Jul 7, 2020 8:09:50 GMT -6
I dunno. Maybe a combination of denial and optimism. But I also buy in a little bit to the mutation ideas. Like that it makes sense for an organism to not kill its host and to be more contagious. And there is evidence that this is what is happening right now. And with so many people getting it we could develop a bit of a herd immunity type effect that curbs its spread. But all of those possible phenomena would depend on people's catching it for them to work. Ya. And I feel like that is where we are going with this. It looks like it is continuing to spread in our country. I feel pretty ok up her though because I do feel like just about everyone has gotten it or exposed to it. Especially since we know that people can have it without symptoms. I mean, unless we test every single citizen though its all conjecture |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 10:08:29 GMT -6
Well, we finally started summer workouts yesterday. Went pretty smoothly, had small groups, rotated through, etc. Already getting subtle parent pressure that we have to play "or the terrorists win" (or whatever). God I hope cooler heads prevail and we manage this smartly. Family time isnt what people think. Nor does your family need you around as much as you think. Terrorist may very mean kids in the house 24/7. |
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Post by coachcb on Jul 7, 2020 11:14:43 GMT -6
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether I agree of disagree with the opening of schools or playing sports; the powers-that-be are going to make the call and I'll abide by it. I don't fall in any high-risk category so I'll either be coaching or I won't. I'll either be teaching face-face or via remote learning again. I have no control so I'm going to enjoy my summer in a socially responsible manner and move forward. I can control how much fun I have camping and fishing this weekend, I can't control COVID-19 policy.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2020 12:21:48 GMT -6
But all of those possible phenomena would depend on people's catching it for them to work. Ya. And I feel like that is where we are going with this. It looks like it is continuing to spread in our country. I feel pretty ok up her though because I do feel like just about everyone has gotten it or exposed to it. Especially since we know that people can have it without symptoms. I mean, unless we test every single citizen though its all conjecture Yes, that is probably the most difficult part of this. The information and data is not solid enough for others to make the "right" decisions. The issue (to me) is the growth in hospitalizations again. That is more of a real time indicator than just a positive test,which simply means they have detected the DNA. Could be DNA from a dead virus that was active 7 weeks ago. The other issue is that very little is known about the virus. It could very well be possible that "having gotten it or [been] exposed to it" offers no protection about suffering from symptoms or having issues 2 months from now. This is what science is. It isn't "knowing something" It isn't every truly "settled", as new information should inform new thoughts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 15:22:27 GMT -6
Ya. And I feel like that is where we are going with this. It looks like it is continuing to spread in our country. I feel pretty ok up her though because I do feel like just about everyone has gotten it or exposed to it. Especially since we know that people can have it without symptoms. I mean, unless we test every single citizen though its all conjecture Yes, that is probably the most difficult part of this. The information and data is not solid enough for others to make the "right" decisions. The issue (to me) is the growth in hospitalizations again. That is more of a real time indicator than just a positive test,which simply means they have detected the DNA. Could be DNA from a dead virus that was active 7 weeks ago. The other issue is that very little is known about the virus. It could very well be possible that "having gotten it or [been] exposed to it" offers no protection about suffering from symptoms or having issues 2 months from now. This is what science is. It isn't "knowing something" It isn't every truly "settled", as new information should inform new thoughts. Who is the person to make the right decision? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2020 15:31:25 GMT -6
Yes, that is probably the most difficult part of this. The information and data is not solid enough for others to make the "right" decisions. The issue (to me) is the growth in hospitalizations again. That is more of a real time indicator than just a positive test,which simply means they have detected the DNA. Could be DNA from a dead virus that was active 7 weeks ago. The other issue is that very little is known about the virus. It could very well be possible that "having gotten it or [been] exposed to it" offers no protection about suffering from symptoms or having issues 2 months from now. This is what science is. It isn't "knowing something" It isn't every truly "settled", as new information should inform new thoughts. Who is the person to make the right decision? In our system of government, the elected leaders. But unfortunately they, and their constituents don't have the best possible data, and therefore we have a very serious situation which instead has devolved into "I won't wear a mask by god! I believe in freedom" vs "The sky is falling, everyone get to your bubbles" |
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Post by pvogel on Jul 7, 2020 15:37:25 GMT -6
Yes, that is probably the most difficult part of this. The information and data is not solid enough for others to make the "right" decisions. The issue (to me) is the growth in hospitalizations again. That is more of a real time indicator than just a positive test,which simply means they have detected the DNA. Could be DNA from a dead virus that was active 7 weeks ago. The other issue is that very little is known about the virus. It could very well be possible that "having gotten it or [been] exposed to it" offers no protection about suffering from symptoms or having issues 2 months from now. This is what science is. It isn't "knowing something" It isn't every truly "settled", as new information should inform new thoughts. Who is the person to make the right decision? I'm not who you responded to but I think the jist is that we don't know the right decision, we just have to do the best we can with all the evidence available. Politically, our government is designed so that there isn't a singular person to make decisions. Unfortunately, that has changed on varying levels. Socially, we have turned this into a political issue. People automatically circle the wagons and turn it into a red team vs blue team thing. Which is frustrating and bizarre because it is so much more than that and it needs people to think critically and independently rather than across party lines. So in short, whatever political "team" is in control in your state will be the judge and jury of what the right decision is. You know how toxic a 0-10 or 1-9 locker room feels? Like how everyone just is sick of each other and there is no respect or support for others? That's kind of how our country feels to me right now. So much pettiness and tribalism that we can't work together when a freaking natural force of historic proportions hits us. Because odds are that the "right decision" isn't choice A or choice B (or red/blue, d/r, whatever) but likely something that requires cooperation and compromise on both ends. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 15:56:14 GMT -6
Who is the person to make the right decision? I'm not who you responded to but I think the jist is that we don't know the right decision, we just have to do the best we can with all the evidence available. Politically, our government is designed so that there isn't a singular person to make decisions. Unfortunately, that has changed on varying levels. Socially, we have turned this into a political issue. People automatically circle the wagons and turn it into a red team vs blue team thing. Which is frustrating and bizarre because it is so much more than that and it needs people to think critically and independently rather than across party lines. So in short, whatever political "team" is in control in your state will be the judge and jury of what the right decision is. You know how toxic a 0-10 or 1-9 locker room feels? Like how everyone just is sick of each other and there is no respect or support for others? That's kind of how our country feels to me right now. So much pettiness and tribalism that we can't work together when a freaking natural force of historic proportions hits us. Because odds are that the "right decision" isn't choice A or choice B (or red/blue, d/r, whatever) but likely something that requires cooperation and compromise on both ends. I am going to say this again, It is amazing to me how full of crap so much of what is supported has become, not just political or socially, like in every arena of life with COVID-19. I knew the human race was stupid, but COVID-19 has made it crystal clear. The mask issue alone light up the hypocrisy In people like nobodies’s buisness as an example. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 7, 2020 17:31:08 GMT -6
I was at a July 4 birthday party and barbecue, and actually shook hands with someone. It was the first handshake I've done in many months, and it felt really good! Some were actually hugging and kissing. But that was my only handshake; someone else I got an elbow bump from.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2020 17:50:13 GMT -6
Who is the person to make the right decision? I'm not who you responded to but I think the jist is that we don't know the right decision, we just have to do the best we can with all the evidence available. Politically, our government is designed so that there isn't a singular person to make decisions. Unfortunately, that has changed on varying levels. Socially, we have turned this into a political issue. People automatically circle the wagons and turn it into a red team vs blue team thing. Which is frustrating and bizarre because it is so much more than that and it needs people to think critically and independently rather than across party lines. So in short, whatever political "team" is in control in your state will be the judge and jury of what the right decision is. You know how toxic a 0-10 or 1-9 locker room feels? Like how everyone just is sick of each other and there is no respect or support for others? That's kind of how our country feels to me right now. So much pettiness and tribalism that we can't work together when a freaking natural force of historic proportions hits us. Because odds are that the "right decision" isn't choice A or choice B (or red/blue, d/r, whatever) but likely something that requires cooperation and compromise on both ends. Great analogy! |
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Post by 53 on Jul 8, 2020 15:16:19 GMT -6
Ivy League just cancelled all sports till Jan 1
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Post by wingtol on Jul 8, 2020 19:14:52 GMT -6
Three D3 schools in the area have cancelled fall sports today.
Sadly the Ivy League was also the first conference to pull the plug on March Madness and look how they went.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 19:26:29 GMT -6
Three D3 schools in the area have cancelled fall sports today. Sadly the Ivy League was also the first conference to pull the plug on March Madness and look how they went. It is undoable. The restrictions will get people killed, forget Covid-19. One of my fellow coaches suggested its free money Because I am being co-erced into puttting myself in danger. Lawyers are lined up at the gate. And he is right. Imagine if you are a teacher and you get the kid who tell you F-you, while coughing all over the place and wont leave the classroom? Security? That wont work. Administration gonna help, back you? nope. And if they do, we see how that plays out, now. |
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